[YTN Radio News Fighting Bae Seunghee]
□ Broadcasting: FM 94.5 (07:15 - 09:00)
□ Broadcast date and time: November 15, 2024 (Fri)
□ Host: Attorney Bae Seung-hee
□ Cast: Lee Sang-min, former lawmaker of the People's Power
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◆ Bae Seung-hee: I'm Bae Seung-hee, the news on my way to work. It begins Friday with a second part of the political outlier. Let's connect Lee Sang-min, a former lawmaker of the People's Power, to talk. Are you here?
◇Lee Sang-min: Yes, hello.
◆ Bae Seung-hee: Today. It is the day when Lee Jae-myung, chairman of the Democratic Party of Korea, was sentenced to the first trial on charges of violating the Public Official Election Act. What do you expect from the first trial today?
◇Lee Sang-min: In light of my legal experience and insight as a whole, this is a case where you can't help but be guilty, and the crime is very serious. Singer Kim Ho-joong was severely punished for driving under the influence of alcohol, hiding, and cheating, right? So, the case of this case is the case where Lee Jae-myung said he did not know the late Kim Moon-ki, who was in charge of Seongnam City, to hide such a huge corruption case in Daejang-dong, Baekhyun-dong. But in fact, it's very malicious from the nature of the crime or from the court. If we don't withdraw from such things, we don't think the morality, ethics, or legal order of our society can be used properly.
◆ Bae Seung-hee: Yes, some people say that there will be a fine of 800,000 won. There will be a fine of more than one million won. These prospects are coming out. Senator, what do you expect?
◇Lee Sang-min: Is it lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun or the power of the people that he predicts it like that? I can't help it, but it's ridiculous. The fact that the lie was false, and the various backgrounds and motives that led to the crime were to cover the sky with the malicious and obvious things to deceive the people with their hands. I don't think about withdrawing from such a political leader, but the judge looked at this side and that side and said, "Why don't we just end it with 80?" That's a ridiculous idea.
◆ Bae Seung-hee: Yes, right now the Democratic Party of Korea is. Nevertheless, Representative Lee Jae-myung is pleading not guilty.
◇Lee Sang-min: It's a very cliché that the Democratic Party of Korea is oppressing the prosecution, and that vicious prosecution is turning innocent citizens and innocent politicians over to retaliate politically, so it's not worth it.
◆ Bae Seung-hee: Yes. If representative Lee Jae-myung is sentenced to a heavy sentence, he will lose his parliamentary seat and deprive him of his right to run for five years if the Supreme Court is confirmed. If he is found guilty, the presidential election cannot be guaranteed in some way in politics, right?
◇Lee Sang-min: Shouldn't we? There are justice, principles, and common sense in our society. Such a serious crime. He committed a very malicious crime, and he is dreaming of becoming a president and as a political leader, should he take the lead in talking about this and that in front of the people? That's how you're supposed to be kicked out.
◆ Bae Seung-hee: But yesterday
◇ Lee Sang-min: Representative Lee Jae-myung is not the only one. I think we should take this opportunity to remove and wipe out Chairman Lee Jae-myung, the accomplices who joined it, and those who participated in doing bad things like the accomplices of the Democratic Party.
◆ Bae Seung-hee: accomplices bought
◇Lee Sang-min: I think we can see hope and get a hint of a chance to get a little clearer.
◆ Bae Seung-hee: Who would be the accomplices?
◇ Lee Sang-min: Aren't there flatters? Aren't there people who took the lead in protecting Lee Jae-myung by taking the lead in protecting Lee Jae-myung from the surface instead of squealing because they were pressed by the prestige of Lee Jae-myung's dog daughters? It's not just one or two people, Kim Mo and Jung Mo.
◆ Bae Seung-hee: Are you talking about the Supreme Council members?
◇Lee Sang-min: Yes
◆ Bae Seung-hee: Okay. Yesterday, in a comparable case, CEO Lee Jae-myung's spouse Kim Hye-kyung was fined 1.5 million
for donating 105,000 won. Kim Hye-kyung's lawyer forewarned an appeal, saying it was based on this reasoning, but how did you see this ruling?
◇ Lee Sang-min: Isn't it the process of reaching a judgment that reasoning makes the conclusion reasonably in accordance with the logic and the law and logical experience? That's right. It doesn't matter because the reasoning process is an reasoning process, but you can look at whether the reasoning process fits the law and principles of common sense. Naturally, the candidate's wife in the election would have paid for a meal with the same party's wives involved. And didn't you pay for it? Are you a Seongnam city official serving Kim Hye-kyung? Didn't he pay with Seongnam City's corporate card? In such a situation, it is rather common sense to say that Kim Hee-kyung did not know, innocent, and completely irrelevant. If there is such a fact, it would be necessary to prove such an unusual situation, but without proving it, it is just an inference. Isn't that the right judgment if the reasoning meets common sense and meets the experience of the people?
◆ Bae Seung-hee: Really? Lee Jae-myung wrote a letter about his wife on his Facebook page before Kim Hye-kyung's sentence. It's about I love you and I'm sorry. Why did this person write this when he even reacted like he was crying?
◇Lee Sang-min: I'm sorry, but when I see what they do, I think they're playing. How funny is it to not think about the people's blood tears right now, but to put aside the people and say that they love each other rather than tears inside themselves? I think it's a bunch of trash talk that doesn't make sense.
◆ Bae Seung-hee: Yes. Kim Hye-kyung is a little different, but if she received 105,000 won and 1.5 million won for donation, isn't there two ways to disclose false information now? If so, wouldn't it be more than 1.5 million won if we expect the sentence this time?
◇Lee Sang-min: Shouldn't we come out? If it is guilty to lead to the crime, if you look at the background of the post-war situation and the motives of the guilty crime, it was done to hide a number of serious crimes, then should we just tie them up and move on like this? Should we let them appear on the political stage again and deceive the people and make our society decide? We need to get him kicked out right away. There is no other way to get them kicked out right away.
◆ Bae Seung-hee: You're saying there's only one after that.
◇Lee Sang-min: Yes, yes, that's right.
◆ Bae Seung-hee: In the pro-byeong community, there is also a battle for innocence. The National Assembly is increasing the court budget a little noticeably. And outside, they collected 1 million pleas for not guilty pleas. We decided to extend the deadline for this signature, but I think we also have perjury teachers in mind. How do you see it?
◇ Lee Sang-min: So our society is being evaluated as developing day by day in economic, social, academic, cultural, and artistic areas, but I think that only in this field of politics, we are regressing and doing evil things, and those things are showing too ugly. If the first party, which is leading Korean politics, does it at best mean that it will pressure the judges to pressure them and scare them so that they can get the verdict they want, don't you think? I don't know if it was fun to mobilize the dogs' daughters to do this as if they were kicking out the Democrats in the past, and to make the current Democrats get very down and squirm, but in the end, I don't think it can succeed.
◆ Bae Seung-hee: Yes. But CEO Lee Jae-myung is... He claimed that he was a failed teacher on charges of perjury. Jung Beom, who has now perjured himself, confessed that he perjured himself, but Lee Jae-myung claims that he is a failed perjurer. How do you like it?
◇Lee Sang-min: No, then a failed teacher means that he did one thing as a teacher, but the other person did not decide that the other person would commit a crime after receiving the teacher's act. What do you mean? So you admit to the criminal act of being a teacher's teacher? I think so. Then shouldn't you be punished?
◆ Bae Seung-hee: You're right. Even a failed teacher can be punished as an attempted criminal.
◇ Lee Sang-min: Under the current criminal law, you are not required to be convicted of a preliminary conspiracy and subject to criminal punishment.
◆ Bae Seung-hee: There's an attempted punishment, right? Attempted
◇Lee Sang-min: Yes, yes, yes,
◆ Bae Seung-hee: In fact, the claim that you are a failed teacher is rather a criminal confession.
◇ Lee Sang-min: That's right. That's why I'm ridiculous. The prosecution has repeatedly denied whether he is in his right mind, said he is not, and said he is unfair, saying that it is oppression, and now he is saying that he is trying to retaliate against politics, but now he is saying that he is a failed teacher, and I wonder if he is in his right mind to say that out of the blue.
◆ Bae Seung-hee: It is true that even a failed teacher was a teacher. Because I heard that again. Isn't there a public office election law that's coming out today? If you receive more than 1 million won under the Public Official Election Act, you will lose your right to run for election now. In addition, all the previously compensated election subsidies must be returned to the state. If we return about 43.4 billion won for this invalid election, will the Democratic Party really break down in the air?
◇Lee Sang-min: Well, it's secondary to which sugar is broken down in the air or not. If the law is alive and working properly, if Korea is a true rule of law, of course, it must be enforced and redeemed, and of course, it means that you can't run for five years, and you lose your status as a lawmaker. Isn't this, of course, stipulated by the law? I do what the law stipulates, but I don't think it's that important issue regardless of which sugar is airborne or not.
◆ Bae Seung-hee: Okay. Let me ask you about the power of the people this time. Yesterday, at the general meeting of the lawmakers, it was decided to promote the special inspection team as a party theory. First of all, the factional conflict has entered a lull. Can we see it like this?
◇Lee Sang-min: With the introduction of a special inspector, I think it's ridiculous to say that there is a conflict between the people and the people. This should have been done by a special inspector already. It should have been done during the Moon Jae In government, but it wasn't implemented inside, right? Also, the Yoon Suk Yeol government should implement it, but it didn't. So you should be held accountable for not following the law and implementing it. And who is a lawmaker in the Democratic Party? It is said that Kim Gun-hee is not subject to inspection but to investigation, but that is a separate dimension from the subject of inspection and investigation to the extent that I wonder if these people are thinking based on common sense. The subject of inspection does not mean that it is not subject to investigation, and the subject of investigation does not mean that it is excluded from the subject of inspection. That's overlapping status, and that's what the special inspector is required by law and of course has to do. Also, if you think you committed a criminal crime, you will have to be investigated again by the investigative agency and face criminal punishment according to the fact-finding. I think this should be done on a separate level.
◆ Bae Seung-hee: Yes, then yesterday, the independent counsel law for Kim Gun was passed led by the opposition party. Can you give me your opinion on this?
◇ Lee Sang-min: Usually, we don't have to mention these incidents again for a considerable period of time, if these incidents have become a major issue and make the country noisy and determined. Nevertheless, if the second request of the legal president's veto was exercised, it is forbidden to mention them again for a considerable period of time. Don't you have a lot of other things to do? The people have a lot of things to do for the people's livelihood, a lot of things to solve, a lot of economic situations and people's concerns, but aren't they repeating the impeachment inquiry now? The Democratic Party is
◆ Bae Seung-hee: I know.
◇Lee Sang-min: Let's make a decision now and try to protect Lee Jae-myung's now suspected serious crime and move on by blindfolding him somehow. By such means, they should attack the president of Yoon Suk Yeol and his government and cause it to run aground. Whether it's independent counsel or impeachment, we have to keep shaking it. I think it's this kind of strategy and trick. It can never succeed.
◆ Bae Seung-hee: Okay. Myung Tae-kyun was arrested yesterday. Regarding Myung Tae-kyun, someone is being identified when Rep. Lee Joon-seok said that President Yoon also mentioned the nomination during the local elections. What did you think about this?
◇Lee Sang-min: Why are you talking about such things now, like a restaurant on fire, not making a legal decision on the pending issue? It wasn't supposed to be done from the beginning, and if it happened, you should have taken it as a problem and taken it seriously then. In that sense, I feel very bitter because I think I see some kind of cowardly attitude of people in politics.
◆ Bae Seung-hee: There was no intervention in the nomination, do you think so?
◇ Lee Sang-min: I don't know that. It's something to be revealed after fact-finding and investigation, but if those things are involved and it reaches the stage of criminal punishment under the current law, of course, severe punishment should be given. However, when the problem becomes a problem, you have to make an effort to fix it, and after a long time, it becomes a problem and urgent to yourself, so it means that it seems a little cowardly to avoid it like this.
◆ Bae Seung-hee: Okay. Thank you for talking with me today. I'll stop listening to it.
◇Lee Sang-min: Yes, thank you.
◆ Bae Seung-hee: So far, we've been with Lee Sang-min, former lawmaker of People's Power.
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