"Lee Jae-myung, a perjury teacher, is convinced that he is not guilty.""I hate the power of the people".

◆ [YTN Radio SHINYUL's news]
■ Broadcasting: FM 94.5 (17:00-19:00)
■ Air date: November 19, 2024 (Tuesday)
■ Proceedings: Shin Yul, Professor of Political Science and Diplomacy at Myongji University
■ Dialogue: Yang Boo-nam, lawmaker of the Democratic Party of Korea

* The text below may differ from the actual broadcast content, so please check the broadcast for more accurate information.

- Myung Tae-kyun's 尹 in the recording expresses the couple's 'thousandth'
- Punishment for 'pre-acceptance crime' during MB... I think impeachment is likely
- 尹 'lost state power'... Why is the impeachment comment bulletproof
- 尹, if you can't study, you should try, can you go play golf?
- Scream movement? It is not being detected yet.
- The Democratic Party of Korea has not changed its principle of 'single confrontation' centered on Lee Jae-myung
- Lee Jae-myung 'perjury teacher' first trial, conviction of innocence over election law
- People's power trial delayed TF, so cheeky
- The judiciary that looks after Lee Jae-myung? There's no chance of a trial delay.

◆ Shin Yul: Shin Yul's news head-to-head match begins part 4. Today's fourth part is Rep. Yang Boo-nam of the Democratic Party of Korea. Before meeting Yang Boo-nam in earnest, let's listen to the additional recording of Myung Tae-kyun released by the Democratic Party yesterday.

Yes, everyone. You just heard the recording. Are you a member of the fact-finding team of the Minjoo Party of Korea's Myung Tae-kyun Gate and a former prosecutor? Let's connect Yang Boo-nam of the Democratic Party of Korea and listen to his entry. Hello, Senator.

◇ Adopted man: Yes, hello.

◆ Shin Yul: The fact-finding team on the gate of Myeongtae Gyun. Are you having meetings every day?

◇ Yes, I did it today, too. I did it yesterday, too. The fact-finding team of our Myung Tae-kyun gate has been divided into four parts. There is a part in charge of Changwon Industrial Complex, a part in charge of party intervention, a part in charge of manipulating public opinion, and a part in charge of reviewing the law. There were yesterday and today, and we are doing it whenever necessary.

◆ Shin Yul: Where do you belong to, Senator Yang?

◇ Yang Boo-nam: I'm part of the nomination and party intervention here.

◆ Shin Yul: Is there any progress?

◇ Yang Boo-nam: Didn't the media now report a lot of intervention in the nomination party? I'm looking hard for what else besides what's reported in the media, but it's not coming out well. I'm trying to find it out. What's more than what's reported

◆ Sin Yul: I see. But what do you think is the most problematic part as a lawyer in the additional recording of Myung Tae-kyun released yesterday?

◇ Yang Boo-nam: Before I tell you about the legal issue, I heard the recording and I thought it was embarrassing to listen to the language that Myung Tae-kyun expresses about the Yoon Suk Yeol couple. It's shallow and I feel like I can talk like that. Even if I did it to express the familiarity of my heart, it was embarrassing to hear it. I think that this is what could be legally problematic in the future, and I saw that the overall picture was trying to nominate Governor Park Wan-soo, who was not allowed to go to the chief of staff for Representative Yoon Han-hong and not to nominate the governor of Gyeongsangnam-do. We need to examine this more legally, but I feel that this could be a violation of the Public Official Election Act's involvement in personnel management manipulation.

◆ Sin Yul: So do you think this could be a factor in impeachment?

◇ Yang Boo-nam: We also need to study this part in depth legally. Impeachment is an act of the president's duty. It is an act of duty during the job, but regarding the pre-acceptance crime of the President of Lee Myung Bak last time, it is highly likely that he will be a pre-acceptance crime even if he becomes a presidential candidate. If this rule is applied, I think carefully about whether this would be possible.

◆ Sin Yul: But now the Democratic Party is not officially talking about impeachment in the party, is it?

◇ Yang Boo-nam: Right now, the approval rating of the president for Yoon Suk Yeol of our current administration has actually lost its power in state administration and has lost its power in state administration, but the Democratic Party of Korea has not officially expressed its position on impeachment or constitutional amendment in terms of how to do this. So far, our official position has been to pass the Kim Gun-hee independent counsel law. This is the official position.

◆ Shin-ryul: But if you claim a constitutional amendment on the premise of impeachment or shortening the term of office, there is a possibility that you might hear that you are insisting on an early presidential election to claim an early constitutional amendment for the sake of bulletproofness at a time when representative Lee Jae-myung's judicial risk is becoming visible. It must be a bit of a concern.

◇ Yang Boo-nam: Even before Lee Jae-myung was convicted a few days ago, it was not a Democratic Party party, regardless of whether he was convicted or not, but there was a saying about the impeachment and the constitutional amendment to shorten his term of office that our lawmakers and some opposition lawmakers are pushing for. There's been a saying, but I don't know why it's connected to BTS. First of all, I think there has been a constitutional amendment to the term of office or a constitutional amendment to shorten the term of office or impeachment in terms of how to resolve the fact that the state is not operating normally. I think I saw BTS from this perspective. Before the conviction of Representative Lee Jae-myung on various legal issues, it seems to be argued that this is bulletproof in this frame to have a presidential election before the right to run for election and the loss of such parliamentary qualifications. We didn't do it with such a black heart, but I think it came from the Democratic Party to quickly resolve this problem because the regime cannot be maintained purely normally and there is a mess in state administration.

◆ Sin-ryul: But. I'm a little curious about this because I can't tell you to leave school because you're not good at studying, but I can't say I'm impeaching you because your approval rating is low.

◇ Yang-bu-nam: That's right, but if you don't study, you have to try to do well on your own.

◆ Shin Yul: That's right, that's what Rep. Yang was good at studying. You've been to the prosecutor's office,

◇ Yang Boo-nam: It's not that I wasn't good at studying, but if I'm not good at studying, I have to show my efforts to do well. Since the student who didn't study has to study, can we go play golf with the people before the presidential election as if we didn't go to school?

◆ Shin Yul: I want to ask you a little bit, and since Yang Boo-nam is a lawyer, how do you interpret Article 128 of the Constitution? In the end, isn't Article 128 of the Constitution not subject to the president at the time of constitutional amendment when a constitutional amendment to the double-term system or an extension of the term of office is made? How are you interpreting it?

◇ Yang Boo-nam: There are two issues to make a constitutional amendment now. As I just pointed out, another issue of interpretation of Article 128 of the Constitution is that we should amend our referendum law. I'll talk about that later, and first of all, Article 128 says that the president at the time of the amendment has no effect on the extension of his term or the change of his term of office.

◆ [Voiceover] Right. Example

◇ Yang Boo-nam: The opposite interpretation doesn't mean that it doesn't apply to presidents who shorten their terms. In reverse interpretation

◆ Sin-ryul: But on the other side, that's what happened.

◇ [Brother Yang] This is the purpose of Article 128, which is that the president is going to be in power for a long time with the constitutional amendment. So I think that even if this effect is applied to the President at the time of this constitutional amendment in the supplementary provisions, it should not violate the Constitution.

◆ Shin-ryul: But on the other side, the article was included to the effect that the president's term should not cause instability in the constitution, and there was also an opinion that shortening the term of office was not possible because it belonged to destabilizing the constitution with the term of office.

◇ Yang Boo-nam: There are opinions like that, but there are many opinions that interpret it like I do. However, the situation is that the purpose of our short-term constitutional amendment is to stabilize the state of affairs because the whole country is nervous now. The purpose of the amendment itself is

◆ Sin-ryul: No, you know. This is a little different, but the Democratic Party of Korea is conducting a legal review, but the party is discussing or responding to the representative Lee Jae-myung's trial at the party level. I mean, you must have heard it because you're a lawyer.

◇ Yang Boo-nam: Various trials of Lee Jae-myung have their appointed lawyers. Aren't there lawyers who are competent lawyers and who take legal action against the case as a whole, and there are other lawyers from Yulsa in our party? People like me who served as an incumbent prosecutor are side dishes. As a side dish, many media and public opinion supporters are curious about the representative Lee Jae-myung's case, so they go out to the media to talk and explain about it, but this is distinguished. The lawyers appointed by CEO Lee Jae-myung in his case are doing it.

◆ Shin-yul: You're buying it yourself, not, for example, supporting the lawyer's expenses with your party's expenses. There is no such thing.

◇ Mr. Yang: You have to get a lawyer with your own money so that they're holding the kit, and to the end, lawmakers from Yulsa have played an auxiliary role.

◆ Shin Yul: Okay. And as a lawyer,

◇ Adopted man: In it, referendum

◆ Yes, yes, you have to say that.

◇ Yang-bu-nam: Don't we have citizens living abroad? According to the current referendum law, these people have to have a domestic residence or address to vote. My nationality is Korean, but I live in the United States, for example. I don't have the right to vote to comment on my residence in Korea. The Constitutional Court ruled unreasonably that the right to vote for constitutional amendment was unconstitutional, so the law took effect in 2005. So, unless the referendum law is revised, it cannot enter into a constitutional amendment.

◆ Shin Yul: But the Constitutional Court has decided on this, but there are more than one or two legal deficiencies. It looks like

◇ [Brother Yang] Yeah, there's nothing easy.

◆ Sin-ryul: But. Another thing is that I'm a lawyer, so I understand that I was shocked by the ruling of Representative Lee Jae-myung within the Democratic Party, but don't you think there are a little too many expressions? Right? How do you watch this?

◇ Yang-bu-nam: Now, I've also expressed not to sympathize with the judicial line even before I tried, which may sound a little excessive, but this is all we can do in a way. That's what we hope for in the Democratic Party. We hope that the trial will be fair, and the judiciary of course has a dark history, but just as some conscientious judges made such conscientious judgments to protect human rights and freedom and justice during the military regime, we are confident that representative Lee Jae-myung is innocent, so the justice department should not spy on the judiciary and make a legitimate ruling. Don't look at this in a radical way. We can do this

◆ Shin Yul: Isn't it kind of weird to say, "I'm going to kill you?"

◇ Yang-bu-nam: That's right. You can't use the expression "to kill." It's gonna kill it. I don't agree with this either. However, we urge the judiciary to justify this ruling. Can't you do this much as you want?

◆ Sin Yul: But do you feel that the children's song of the screaming world is so visible that the expression "I'm going to kill you" comes out?

◇ Yang-bu-nam: Where is the expression that I'm going to kill you a little wrong? Scream world

◆ Shin Yul: No. So if the screams move, I'll kill them.

◇ Adopted man: Oh, that one.

◆ Sin Yul: I'm going to kill you. But what I'm asking is whether the screaming world actually moves like this. From your point of view, Mr. Yang:

◇ Yang-bu-nam: I think we're a party that seeks legitimate primaries and democracy, regardless of how much of a screaming grandfather is, and it shouldn't be and shouldn't be if the association threatened it. And I haven't detected the problem of whether the screaming world is moving yet. Until now, the Democratic Party of Korea has not changed its principle of going to a single dialogue centered on Chairman Lee Jae-myung. Now

◆ Sin-ryul: So you didn't notice the movements of the current screams at all. You're talking about this, right? But now the problem is that next Monday, the first trial ruling for perjury teachers will not come out again, right? I think the situation can change a little depending on what's going on now, but first, how do you see it? How do you think the verdict will come out?

◇ Mr. Yang: On the perjury teacher case. I'm sure I'm innocent.

◆ Is that the reason?

◇ Mr. Yang: I think this is a clearer innocence than a violation of the Public Official Election Act.

◆ Sin-ryul: A clearer innocence

◇ Yang Boo-nam: Not guilty Many people think that when a warrant judge requested a warrant or a case of Daejang-dong, including a perjury teacher, last year, the part of the perjury teacher became a calling. By saying this, many people think that the perjury teacher will be found guilty, but I think this is more innocent than violating the Public Official Election Act. If I explain this briefly, doesn't our CEO Lee Jae-myung receive a fine for impersonating a prosecutor in 2002? And 16 years later, when I was asked by the other candidate about what happened in the 2018 Gyeonggi governor election, he said I was framed. You'll be prosecuted and tried for this part. In the process of being tried, Kim Jin-sung will testify. But I'm taking issue with this testimony. In order for this testimony to be a perjury, Kim Jin-sung's testimony itself must be perjury, and only then will Lee Jae-myung be guilty of teaching. Perjury is like I remember going to court and testifying under oath like many people do, but why do I say it like I remember not remember? So, the indictment says Kim Jin-sung perjured himself. Hello?

◆ Sin-ryul: Yes, yes.

◇ Mr. Yang: There are only two crimes that say perjury in the indictment. One is that during the trial of the prosecutor impersonation case, the mayor of Seongnam at the time discussed the cancellation of the complaint with KBS to drive Lee Jae-myung as the main culprit, but he testified that he knew without knowing the details. The second is that he said he did not hear from Kim Byung-ryang about the agreement to cancel the complaint, but he heard it again. I wrote down these two things as perjury in the indictment. However, Kim Jin-sung testifies that there is no such thing when asked if he discussed the cancellation of the complaint with KBS to drive the first CEO Lee Jae-myung as the main culprit. It's a waste because Mayor Kim Byung-ryang drove CEO Lee Jae-myung as an employee and said I don't have such a thing. Regarding the fact that Kim Byung-ryang was not admitted at all and that the second consultation on cancellation of the complaint was heard as Kim Byung-ryang, first of all, there was an objective consultation on cancellation of the complaint. At that time, when KBS PD and KBS witnesses testified, there was a discussion to cancel the complaint, and the second is that Kim Jin-sung talked to Lee Jae-myung, a lawyer representing Lee Jae-myung, and if you look at the phone conversation at that time, you know it. So I thought this part couldn't be legally me,

◆ Shin Yul: Okay.

◇ Yes, it's a little long, so I'll stop here.

◆ Shin Yul: Since you're a lawyer, I just asked you and you just came out.

◇ I want to do this more, but I can't do an interview with other items.

◆ Shin Yul: Yes, there. If so, the Democratic Party must believe that all cases next Monday are innocent. Right?

◇ Mr. Yang: I am still convinced.

◆ Sin Yul: No, other Members.

◇ Mr. Yang : Other Members do too.

◆ Shin Yul: Then you don't have any other measures. In this case, you don't have anything to prepare for?

◇ Yang Boo-nam: Isn't there a political contrast and a legal contrast? As I said earlier, the political contrast is unwavering. However, if a ruling that disagrees with us comes out, we should appeal it and prepare to fight more closely with legal evidence.

◆ Shin Yul: I have one more question. We will set up a task force team to delay the trial in the power of the people and see if representative Lee Jae-myung's trial proceeds quickly. How do you judge when you said this?

◇ I hate you so much. the power of the people Would the judiciary deliberately delay the trial? What would you delay to take a look at CEO Lee Jae-myung? To put this expression in itself is to put pressure on the judiciary. It's a sentence, and how hard is it for people's livelihood right now? There are more than a few difficult problems. Small business owners and self-employed people are clamoring for death, and medical problems are not solved, so you should put some effort into it. In addition to the opposition leader's trial, he has fun and makes a TF like this, and he is not qualified as the ruling party.

◆ Shin Yul: I see. Congressman Yang must be busy, but thank you for today.

◇ Adopted man: Yes. Thank you.

◆ Sin Yul: Yes, thank you very much for today's talk. Thank you.

◇ ADVOCATE NAM: Yes. Yes. Thank you.

◆ Shin Yul: Until now, I was Yang Boo-nam of the Democratic Party of Korea.