[Politics ON] Lee Jae-myung is not guilty of 'perjury teacher' in the first trial...What's the political response?

■ Host: Anchor Kim Youngsoo Kim, Anchor Lee Ha-rin
■ Starring: Kim Hyung-joon, Chair Professor of Bae Jae-dae, Director of Insight K Research Center Bae Jong-chan

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[Anchor]
Representative Lee Jae-myung expressed his gratitude to the court for restoring truth and justice after being acquitted. "Politics On", which looks into the outside and inside of politics, today we will focus on analyzing it with Kim Hyung-joon, chair professor of Bae Jae-dae, and Bae Jong-chan, director of Insight K Research Institute. Welcome, two of you.

[Anchor]
Representative Lee Jae-myung's perjury teacher was sentenced in the first trial. I was acquitted. Last week's violation of the Public Official Election Act suffered a major crisis when a one-year prison sentence and two-year probation were sentenced, but should we say that we have overcome a crisis? How did you see it?

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
That's right. It's the first trial's ruling. Many people were sentenced to two years under the last Public Official Election Act, but they were sentenced to one year in prison. But this time, the perjury teacher got a three-year sentence. So I said I would still be sentenced to prison for about a year and a half, but I was acquitted against my expectations. Rather than saying that it is unusual, it should be considered that the Democratic Party of Korea has gone as intended. In a nutshell, the key is this. The judiciary of the Republic of Korea is not swayed by the political offensive and judges only according to legal principles and evidence. I think this has the biggest implication.

[Anchor]
How did the warden see it?

[Bae Jong Chan]
For me, it's dizzying. Awkward. It is a dizzying moment, and the political impact is expected to increase considerably because it is a moment when the outcome of the sentence will come out and the trial will proceed. So, Chairman Lee Jae-myung, who has survived, is also seeking a reversal, but it is quite unpredictable because we do not know what will happen in the future. We will check the situation in which our political circles cannot look an inch ahead while watching the YTN site broadcast.

[Anchor]
You said it was unpredictable, but when he was acquitted in the first trial of perjury, he thanked representative Lee Jae-myung and the court. I'll be back after hearing that.

[Lee Jae-myung / Minjoo Party leader: Thank you to the court for bringing back truth and justice. Although the process is very difficult and long, it is difficult for me to experience it as a part of the Changhae family, and it is only about one small rice under the big sea. Compared to the difficulties our people face, I think the difficulties I face are minimal. I would like to say that I will do my best for the better life of our people in the future, and I hope that politics is not about killing and stepping on each other, but about coexisting and going with each other. Rather than killing politics, let's do politics that saves people, I want to say to the government and the ruling party. Thank you.]

[Anchor]
The expression on the face of the first trial of violation of the Public Official Election Act is quite different from that of the first trial after being acquitted of perjury. Representative Lee Jae-myung expressed his gratitude to the court for restoring truth and justice, saying, "I hope we can do politics that coexist with each other." What do you think of CEO Lee Jae-myung's remarks?

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
First of all, what does this statement imply is based on the premise that the prosecution's prosecution is wrong. In other words, because the prosecution's indictment was wrong, the court corrected it. Because the wrong prosecution prosecution is based on the fact that it is a by-product of political prosecution, which is called political retaliation, we will talk more about it in the future. It's implied in the saying, "Killing politics, don't do this and go out," but it's so different 10 days ago and now. According to the court's ruling from the first trial of the election law 10 days ago, it was sentenced to heavy punishment because it was intentional and distorted the will of the people.

The first trial court ruled that it was not this time, and that it was done as a defense right, not as a perjury teacher. As Director Bae said just a moment ago, who will finally laugh? I didn't just come to a conclusion in the first trial. Since there is a second trial and a Supreme Court ruling, I think this will have a good effect. There is no delay in the trial. If Representative Lee Jae-myung received a heavy sentence today, there is a very high possibility that he would have devised various measures to delay the second trial in any form. Now that he is innocent, there is no reason to delay the trial, right? But if you go to the second trial, what will the result be? I don't think we can say that yet.

[Anchor]
The court has released explanatory materials. He said that there was insufficient evidence that CEO Lee Jae-myung had taught perjury when he presented explanatory materials. He also said that it is difficult to see him as a perjury teacher for issuing the summary of the telephone argument. The contents of the call and the usual request for testimony were not different, the ruling said. How did you see it?

[Bae Jong Chan]
That's right. The point is not perjury. Therefore, there was no intention, and there was no specific content of teaching, and thirdly, there is no illegality. Because I was talking about this part. Of course, the court's judgment may be evaluated differently depending on the individual's political orientation, but the judiciary's judgment should be respected. If so, wasn't it expected that the first trial of perjury would be more severe than the first trial of the Public Official Election Act? The prediction was wrong and many people thought so, but as a result, the court made it clear that unlike the prosecution's request, it is not a perjury teacher, unlike the prosecution's investigation, so CEO Lee Jae-myung is literally a rehabilitation.

The anchor of the Youngsoo Kim mentioned CEO Lee Jae-myung's face earlier.Ma's facial expressions were completely different from those of Chairman Lee Jae-myung. So, if the expression of the first trial of the Public Official Election Act was quite intimidated and then cringeworthy, it means that now we can seek safety, but rather, we can unite with Lee Jae-myung as the leader. If this happens, he told us about the second trial before this perjury teacher.I think Ma will pay more attention to the second trial of the Public Official Election Act than to the perjury teacher.

[Anchor]
Such a ruling was made that was different from the expectations of many legal professionals. He said that the charges of perjury teachers are more likely to be guilty than the charges of violating the Public Official Election Act, but the charges of perjury teachers have now been acquitted. In the meantime, the defendant Kim Jin-sung has not perjured the lawyer's claim. So, CEO Lee Jae-myung's side. And he said he never perjured Kim Jin-sung, and he didn't mean to, but Kim Jin-sung ruled that he perjured. However, the court accepted that there was no intention of teaching perjury.

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
If you look at the precedents so far, it's very unusual. According to the analysis of the perjury teacher's ruling that began in 2022, only one person was fined. And few were acquitted. As such, there are many suggestions related to perjury, but there are parts that are quite different from what the legal profession has said so far because representative Lee Jae-myung ruled that there is no intention and there is no direct evidence to believe that he perjured it. I think it is such a judgment of the first trial that there is no choice but to argue about this in the future in the second trial.

[Anchor]
What did you think about this ruling that perjury was recognized, but perjury teachers cannot?

[Bae Jong Chan]
That's right. In general, using the expression "unusual" is what legal experts say. It's because Kim Jin-sung is here. In today's court, a fine of 5 million won was imposed on Kim Jin-sung, a person who actually perjured perjury related to former Seongnam Mayor Kim Byung-ryang. Then, at least the representative Lee Jae-myung, who taught this, was expected to be sentenced to a larger sentence.

[Anchor]
That's what they usually say.

[Bae Jong Chan]
That's right. However, Kim Jin-sung was given perjury, which is why he was fined 5 million won, but Lee Jae-myung was not a teacher. What's important here is what we need to pay attention to. What I've noticed most of the time is evidence. There is an accomplice who is sentenced to Kim Jin-sung and consistently talks about perjury, and the other is the disclosure of the call record. Just tell me as it is in the transcript of the call. You can just talk about it as it is. I did it, but related experts and profilers say that talking like that is teaching perjury, and I've talked a lot about it. This is because there are many cases in which similar cases were guilty.

However, what the court will explain today is that even if you look at the details of the call, there is nothing compulsory. And how do I make a pleading claim when it's a pleading request? In a way, he said that delivering the details to Kim Jin-sung was teaching perjury, but the court can do the contents as much as it can on a defensive level. That's why if you look at any of the contents, you can't say that it's a perjury teacher because it's not a perjury teacher.

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
But there's a very blind spot there. I'm not an expert in the legal profession, but Kim Jin-sung told the court that I was perjured. So why aren't there any judgments about what he said? And he was fined. Usually, people who perjured and people who did not perjure themselves, then they saw the reason why this person testified like that in a contextual dimension, and they did it because they were asked to perjure themselves, but that's not direct evidence of the perjure teacher? Since I believe that the judgment is very likely to be quite controversial, I think that will probably be a key issue in the second trial.

[Anchor]
During the final review of the warrant against Lee Jae-myung, Yoo Chang-hoon, an injured judge in charge of the warrant at the Seoul Central District Court, appears to be cleared of perjury. Many people paid attention to this part because it was indicated in the content of the judgment, but the judgment of the court seems to have been different.

[Bae Jong Chan]
So the reason why legal experts say it's unusual is that it depends on how you see it.Ma didn't take much time today. Because if you're guilty, why are you guilty? And how to determine the sentencing is explained and prolonged, but in the case of innocence, it proceeds in the form of a statement refuting the prosecution's old sentence. But if you look at these, the three things I told you earlier. You can look at three things. The first intention. You're trying to teach me, but do you do that on purpose? I'm judging that there isn't. So I'm looking at it individually. Whether Kim Jin-sung perjured or not, it is one thing and CEO Lee Jae-myung taught the perjunction, which is separate.

The second is concreteness, and even if you look at the contents of the request for defense after the phone call, there is nothing forced. So, what the court saw is that Lee Jae-myung, a legal professional, can do that for his own defense. I looked at the content like this whether there is anything that makes it necessary to forcibly perjure it like that. So this could actually be a slightly different approach depending on how you look at it.Ma is Kim Dong-yeon judge today? The court judged at the same time that there was no specificity, intentionality and illegality.

[Anchor]
CEO Lee Jae-myung was acquitted in the first trial of perjury. This was the voice within the party. This is Rep. Park Soo-hyun. In an interview this morning, he said there was no one other than representative Lee Jae-myung who could be nominated for president. Let's listen to it.

[Park Soo-hyun / Rep. of the Democratic Party of Korea (CBS Radio 'Kim Hyun-jung's News Show'): I don't think there is anyone who will be the representative or presidential candidate other than Representative Lee Jae-myung. This has already been agreed upon by the people and party members. Despite the possibility of judicial risks becoming a reality, however, party members and the public overwhelmingly elected Lee Jae-myung as the representative. Therefore, the representative Lee Jae-myung system is shaken in this situation where the Supreme Court remains because these problems are now becoming a reality. I've already been elected as a representative with an agreement that I won't be swayed and I won't be shaken. So I'm sure that won't happen. ]

[Anchor]
Rep. Park Soo-hyun of the Democratic Party. He said that Lee Jae-myung's system will never be shaken.

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
Should I? The butterfly effect is that if a butterfly flaps its wings in Brazil, it can cause a tornado in Texas. One small change has huge consequences. We should not be so optimistic about the first trial ruling, especially the perjury teacher ruling.

[Anchor]
This is a statement this morning.

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
But still. It's the same. in relation to the election law Rep. Park Soo-hyun said, "I'm very close to you. Can I say that?" In 2002, CEO Lee Hoi-chang's system was almost comparable to the current Lee Jae-myung one-party system. At that time, all the media thought that President Lee Hoi-chang was the president, because the situation of the Kim Dae Jung government at the time and the corruption gate would be transferred. But what happened in the end? In the end, Lee Jae-myung speaks as if he's going to be the representative, but in that way. However, Lee Jae-myung seems to have confidence that he can become Trump, but there are a lot of mountains to go over.

Because while watching the politics of the Republic of Korea so far, the principle is that the Korean people's voters must judge in this area of ethics, justice, and so on. Think about it in that sense. Did you think Yoon Suk Yeol could win the 2022 presidential election? What was the most decisive thing then? Of course, there were Moon Jae In government conditions and real estate policy failures, but the issue of Lee Jae-myung's individual candidate was also included. So, from what I see, it will be very difficult to create a regime if you don't get out of that accident.

Rather, in 2000, the Millennium Democratic Party thought that the government would almost pass over to President Lee Hoi-chang to quickly switch from the current one-pole system to a multi-pole system, but didn't several people come out and hold a primary through the public participation primary system? Candidate Roh Moo Hyun eventually made a splash. There's no law that shouldn't happen from the power of the people right now. Rather, because the power of the people is a multipolar system, and this is a unipolar system now, the unipolar system cannot overcome it under any circumstances. In that sense, I don't think it's a good strategy to say that there is no alternative other than Lee Jae-myung because the part related to the trial is still not over.

[Anchor]
Representative Lee Jae-myung pointed out that there are too many mountains to climb to become Trump, and we are now showing the current status of representative Lee Jae-myung, who is facing five trials at the same time. What did you think about the analysis that there are too many mountains to overcome and there are many left?

[Bae Jong Chan]
We're in the middle of a mountain. The risks are ongoing, but as I said earlier, the second trial of the Public Official Election Act will be the most focused. Since the Supreme Court is a legal trial, if the decision is made by the second trial, the factual trial is almost over. It is also a legal trial that Representative Cho Kuk will be sentenced to the Supreme Court on December 12th. The important thing here is that Honam public opinion will be important, and the other important thing is the change of the ruling party. I'd like to say this. Rather, it is not up to the Democratic Party or the representative Lee Jae-myung, but it is up to the president of Yoon Suk Yeol and the representative Han Dong-hoon. President Yoon Suk Yeol's approval rating is higher and representative Han Dong-hoon is ahead of representative Lee Jae-myung in the next political leader's poll.

What Rep. Park Soo-hyun can say now, at least when the first trial of perjury has not been sentenced, is that when looking at the Democratic Party, there is no one to replace Lee Jae-myung right now. On the contrary, what the Democratic Party believes now is that the president's approval rating is low and the people's power is divided into five and six. In this situation, there will be room for the Democratic Party to take over. I'm sure you'll be able to secure enough gaps, but I think what's really important is that the president's approval rating and the party's approval rating will be more important from now on.

[Anchor]
Rep. Park Soo-hyun argued that there can be no Plan O, but do you think Plan B can come out?

[Bae Jong Chan]
Maybe not right now. But I don't know how the second trial of the Public Official Election Act will come out. Depending on how the first trial sentence of the double bubble remittance to North Korea comes out, Plan B may have to be operated inevitably.

[Anchor]
If so, attention is being paid to what the Democratic Party of Korea and Chairman Lee Jae-myung will do in the future, and Chairman Lee Jae-myung will attend the emergency supreme council meeting shortly. Since it is a closed meeting, attention is being paid to what content it will be and what position it will reveal. I'll send you the scene where representative Lee Jae-myung enters the Supreme Council in a little while, as soon as the screen comes out. But two days ago, the Democratic Party continued its outdoor rally. This is the fourth outdoor rally. There is a lot of talk about the outdoor rally. The ruling party says the heat is going out, but the opposition party says the heat was great. Do you think you will continue to hold outdoor rallies in the future?

[Bae Jong Chan]
I don't know how much the scope will expand.The fact is that if he had been convicted according to the result of today's sentence, he would have been extinguished. But it should be said that the embers have survived. So, the number of out-of-the-box protests, which will continue to be held on Saturday, may increase, but it has saved a lasting spark. If so, it should be considered that this rally will continue targeting First Lady Kim Gun-hee, targeting President Yoon Suk Yeol.

[Anchor]
You're watching the National Assembly at this time. Representative Lee Jae-myung is entering the conference room.

[Anchor]
A closed Supreme Council meeting is scheduled for 4 p.m. soon. You are now watching CEO Lee Jae-myung, who was acquitted in the first trial and relieved the burden. This is the current state of the National Assembly.

[Anchor]
At 4 p.m. today, it was a meeting that was announced regardless of the guilt or innocence. We decided to hold an emergency supreme council meeting at 4 p.m. today. You are seeing Lee Jae-myung heading to the conference room after being found not guilty in the first trial. You're going in without saying anything.

[Anchor]
The expressions of the lawmakers around them are very bright, but some lawmakers shed tears after the first trial was sentenced today.

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
It could be an inflection point, right? If a sentence of imprisonment or higher came out today, Lee Jae-myung's one-party system was highly likely to cause a great division, but for now, it should be considered as a defense. But one interesting thing is how this will come out in the second trial, upside down. Not guilty under the second trial election law and guilty of perjury under the second trial. It could come out like this. That's because it's hard for us to judge. So, in conclusion, Lee Jae-myung's judicial risk is not over yet. We have to wait and see. Under such circumstances, the Democratic Party may need Plan B or Plan C in some cases. However, there are two things I want to point out there.

Why is Lee Jae-myung's risk now? Representative Lee Jae-myung is the mayor of Seongnam and the governor of Gyeonggi Province. Why is it that the Democrats have never been involved in anything that's been caused by personal issues... However, it is difficult to understand why the Democratic Party is all-in. The second is that we should no longer make court rulings and link them to the regime. In severe cases, when the first trial ruling of the Public Official Election Act came out, it was even said that the ruling was crazy for the crazy regime, so how did the ruling come out? Then, did the first trial judge defend the regime, and the second trial perjury teacher oppose the regime? It's not like that at all, is it? Now, I would like to say that we should respect the discretion of the judiciary and the independence of the judiciary, and that there should be no denigrating the judiciary according to their interests.

[Anchor]
Representative Lee Jae-myung who has overcome a big crisis. First of all, the court ruled that he was not guilty of perjury. Instead, the court sentenced Kim Jin-sung, who confessed to perjury, to a fine of 5 million won in the first trial. The court ruled that there was a lack of evidence that Lee Jae-myung was a perjury teacher, so he was acquitted. It was also judged that issuing the summary of the argument was also difficult to see as a perjury teacher. It was also judged that CEO Lee Jae-myung could not be considered to be a teacher or intentional.

[Anchor]
The first trial court judged today that it was difficult to see it as a perjury teacher because it requested explicit testimony only for matters that were not clearly denied. However, some of the past statements of Lee Jae-myung's trial by witness Kim Jin-sung were admitted to perjury. That's why I was fined 5 million won today. He wrote a witness newspaper with a lawyer, but there is insufficient evidence that representative Lee Jae-myung was involved in this part. It's the judgment of the court.

[Anchor]
Representative Lee Jae-myung has arrived at the National Assembly. I arrived at the National Assembly to attend the emergency Supreme Council, and I just saw the screen. I entered the National Assembly's emergency supreme council. I'm paying attention to what kind of remarks I'll make at the meeting, and I'll let you know as soon as the breaking news comes out. Various observations have been made regarding the outdoor rally, and many analysts say that the second perjury teacher's ruling is very important. In this regard, former lawmaker Shin Kyung-min picked Lee Jae-myung's judicial risk for the reason, saying that there is not much enthusiasm for outdoor rallies. Former lawmaker Shin Kyung-min had a radio interview today. Let's listen to it.

[Shin Kyung-min / Former Democratic Party lawmaker (KBS Radio's 'Sudden Current Affairs') : The outdoor rallies are not very popular. It's so obvious why there's no heat. This is because of the judicial risk of representative Lee Jae-myung. For now, it is true that there is no middle boss in the floor. Isn't it a call for people who have no judicial risk to come out and take the lead? So today's sentence is very important in that sense. So, if you had already received the first trial and came out as a fine, you would have been able to fight enthusiastically. But you jumped over it. So, it's hard for CEO Lee Jae-myung to say that this is only the first trial in front of this huge prison sentence. That's a very important point to watch right now. ]

[Anchor]
Representative Lee Jae-myung predicted that the atmosphere will change again next weekend's rally because he was acquitted of perjury teacher charges in the first trial. What about Professor Kim?

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
In fact, Representative Lee Jae-myung did not make any speeches at the last outdoor rally.

[Anchor]
That's right. At the rally last weekend, CEO Lee Jae-myung did not speak.

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
I didn't say it. And there were also requirements not to wear blue clothes. As such, the original purpose is to have a strong nature of the rental struggle against the Yoon Suk Yeol government, but it is true that outdoor rallies still give the impression of putting pressure on the judiciary. Because the biggest reason is that I've seen countless minority opposition parties rally outside while watching Korean politics. But the opposition party, which has an overwhelming majority of more than 170 seats in the parliament, is holding an outdoor rally? It's really hard to understand. It shows that he is incompetent because he is not doing what he can in the parliament. Naturally, the purpose of the outdoor rally is to fight against the oppression of the Yoon Suk Yeol regime, but the judicial risk and bulletproof nature of representative Lee Jae-myung is still strong.

That is why it has a structure in which the voluntary participation of other citizens was inevitably small. That's how we can think. They're having a private meeting now. I think there is a very high possibility that we will not hold an outdoor rally in December. Now that the ruling is very friendly, there's no more pressure here. It can be possible for the National Assembly to impeach prosecutors through parliamentary activities, including the Special Prosecutor Act, in relation to the Yoon Suk Yeol government, but is there a reason to hold an outdoor assembly? I think there is some possibility of reaching a conclusion on that.

[Anchor]
I see. There is no official briefing from both parties right now. Since the first trial of perjury teacher Lee Jae-myung's acquittal, lawmakers have been evaluating and reacting. Choo Kyung-ho, floor leader of People's Power, respects the judiciary's judgment, but it remains regrettable. That's what I said.

[Anchor]
Representative Kim Yong-tae posted on Facebook that Lee Jae-myung's first trial not guilty of perjury teacher charges, respect the judiciary's judgment, but it is a shame.

[Anchor]
On the other hand, Rep. Park Ji-won said, "It is good news that we are not guilty We talked about uniting around Lee Jae-myung. In the case of lawmaker Jung Sung-ho, he expressed his gratitude to the Justice Department, which has made a just ruling and revealed the truth.

[Anchor]
Following the ruling party's response, the mayor of Hong Joon Pyo responded that the prosecutor's politics should stop. Rep. Park Jung-hoon responded that the crime of perjury teachers should be removed from the criminal law.

[Anchor]
The ruling and opposition parties' responses have not yet come out officially, but individual lawmakers and floor leaders have expressed their positions. But about the outdoor rally. Professor Kim Hyung-joon made such an observation that the outdoor rally could be withdrawn, what do you predict?

[Bae Jong Chan]
We have no choice but to continue. Because the Democratic Party said that the purpose of the outdoor rally was not Lee Jae-myung's bulletproof. If you say that the purpose is to condemn the Yoon Suk Yeol government and First Lady Kim Gun-hee, but suddenly you don't do it, does that mean that the purpose has been resolved? Because this is the only way to understand it, I believe that three things have already been set in the Democratic Party's closed meeting, which has already begun at 4 o'clock. First, CEO Lee Jae-myung will express his great respect for the judiciary's ruling today. Secondly, however, I will condemn the Yoon Suk Yeol government that created this situation and the failure to resolve the Special Prosecutor's Act on First Lady Kim Gun-hee. The third is people's livelihood. Because even in this situation, the Democratic Party is expected to say that it will take care of the people's livelihood more because it will see that the Democratic Party needs to score more points, but I was quite different from the sentence on the 15th.

On the 15th, he was convicted of the first trial, but there were 40 Democratic lawmakers, but today there were 60 more. Next, if your expression was very dark on the 15th, it was bright again today. When you go in and when you come out. If so, the current representative Lee Jae-myung system will have to be strengthened for the time being, as Rep. Park Soo-hyun said. So I talked about the Brazilian Lula model before.Ma is going to talk about the Trump model now. As a result, it will not be easy to make a decision until the next presidential election. In such a situation, I think the direction will be toward the power of the people. If this happens, the power of the people becomes a difficult situation. How will the president deal with the independent counsel bill? Also, CEO Han Dong-hoon is in leadership that is shaking because of the party bulletin board. How are you going to solve this part? Starting today, there is a situation in which the tide of the tide is turning.

[Anchor]
It's called "one step and one step." Right now, we are graphically showing the remarks made by Lee Kun-tae of the Democratic Party of Korea the day before yesterday. It's so uncountable that I can't count it with my ability. The number of people who attended the rally was expressed as "uncountable." That's what I said today. You said that the rally two days ago ahead of today's first trial had taken out the political color, so what do you expect the rally to look like in the future?

[Bae Jong Chan]
It will continue to be the same. I would have told the Democrats not to wear blue because they would think more about scalability, but that seems to be maintained. It won't be easy to change it right away. Then, secondly, we will continue to keep the so-called citizen-led initiative, not party-led. It's going to continue. And the character was clear when the Democratic Party first held an outdoor rally. Since it is done to condemn the Yoon Suk Yeol government and First Lady Kim Gun-hee, the contents that continue to accelerate the contents and highlight them will be the Special Prosecutor Act. Kim Gun-hee's Special Prosecutor Act, or the Marine Special Prosecutor Act, has not been resolved, but will continue to talk about these parts, and it seems that he will continue to maintain his reflective competitiveness by talking about some of the people's livelihoods. In addition, the Supreme Court's sentence of Cho Kuk, the leader of the Cho Kuk Innovation Party, is scheduled on December 12th. Then, this does not include the entire opposition party and the New Reform Party, but it should be considered that it is also expanded to the entire opposition party.

[Anchor]
CEO Han Dong-hoon's position also came out.

[Anchor]
CEO Han Dong-hoon made a position a while ago, and although it is difficult to accept the perjury teacher's acquittal, we respect the ruling. In addition to today's sentence, the Democratic Party expressed its hope to respect the conviction of the first trial of the election law on the 15th.

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
But I think you'll make a strategic choice when you see it in person. Because if you look at last weekend's rally, wasn't it led by civic groups rather than by the Democratic Party? When looking at the time allocation, what the Democratic Party of Korea does is about 30 minutes, and all the rest are civic groups. If so, is there any incentive for the Democratic Party to continue to participate in outdoor rallies? We should leave the stage to fight against the Yoon Suk Yeol government, including progressive civic groups. The Democratic Party should return to the National Assembly as soon as possible. It's not even a minority party. And how much is there to pile up now?

When the second Trump administration comes in, including the amendment to the commercial law, how will industrial policy, including our trade, go? There are a lot of things here, but I go every weekend. As far as I can see, the enthusiasm of the Democratic Party is now innocent in the first trial, especially in perjury teachers. When I have to go out and mobilize more than in the past, shouldn't there be a justification to make a big hit at such an outdoor rally? If there is still something called finding representative Lee Jae-myung in the fight for the cause, if you reveal it and say it's really pure, you can also campaign for the resignation of President Yoon Suk Yeol. In addition, if the bulletproof things related to CEO Lee Jae-myung are mixed, the justification will eventually be effective, so I think there is some possibility of implementing a flexible strategy in its own way to make such a decision.

[Anchor]
Professor Kim Hyung-joon said earlier that there is a possibility of stopping the outdoor assembly at today's meeting.

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
Because the Democratic Party has not decided on the next rally. That's what I'm saying.

[Anchor]
But you think Director Bae Jong-chan is likely to strengthen it, right? I see. We'll see what position we're going to make. However, there are a number of big political issues this week. Let's see what kind of issues there are. It is expected that President Yoon Suk Yeol will exercise his right to veto the Special Prosecutor's Act on First Lady Kim Gun-hee tomorrow. On Wednesday, we will request the submission of a list of members of the parliamentary investigation into Chae Sang-byung. And on Thursday, Kim Gun-hee will vote again for the third time on the independent counsel law. And on Friday, former Gyeonggi Province Governor Lee Hwa-young is scheduled to be sentenced to the second trial of remittance to North Korea.

[Anchor]
There are many big political issues. What do you expect?

[Bae Jong Chan]
What I pay attention to the most is that we can expect the second trial of former Gyeonggi Province Governor Lee Hwa-young's remittance to North Korea on the 29th. In my opinion, this content is inevitably very important, which is in line with the perjury teacher's innocence in the first trial today. Because I saw Kim Jin-sung and Lee Jae-myung separately. However, the most important part of the current remittance to North Korea is whether or not you see it as a kind of community of destiny between Lee Hwa-young and Lee Jae-myung. This is very important. You must have reported it to the governor of Gyeonggi-do at the time, because you are the governor of peace. From this point of view, the trial has been going on all the time, and what explanation this second trial sentence gives can affect representative Lee Jae-myung.

[Anchor]
What issue is Professor Kim paying attention to?

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
Because it's an appellate court right now. Isn't it an appeals court? Since he was sentenced to nine and a half years.

[Anchor]
In the first trial, he was sentenced to nine years in prison.

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
That's right. It's a very big sentence. In particular, since it was a problem during his time as governor of Gyeonggi-do, it is different for representative Lee Jae-myung to criticize the act, but in reality, the question of how long the final ruling will come. There is a realistic question of whether Lee Jae-myung will appear in the next presidential election or not, but more than that, there are things about the background of this situation and the role of Governor Lee Jae-myung at that time, right? Rather, I think that's the part that can further tell you that judicial risk still exists.

[Anchor]
I see. CEO Han Dong-hoon respects the ruling, although it is difficult to accept the perjury teacher's innocence. The Democratic Party also said it hopes to respect the conviction of the first trial of the election law. How do you think CEO Han Dong-hoon should deal with this issue and lead it in the future?

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
This is a former prosecutor, but in any case, the judiciary's judgment should be respected. In the meantime, the Democratic Party's behavior when the first ruling of the Public Official Election Act came out is extremely wrong. As I said earlier, I said it was a crazy ruling for a crazy regime, but in that way, would conservatives accept it if they said it was a crazy ruling during the crazy regime, under President Park Geun Hye, under President Lee Myung Bak, under the Moon Jae In administration? in common sense In that sense, respect and calm the judiciary's rulings in any form. The court has a first trial, a second trial, and a third trial, right? So, you have to wait and see what the results will be like, just look at the current first trial ruling and express it completely easily to gain reflective profits, or use it to change the situation. You said it yourself. When representative Han Dong-hoon ruled in the first trial of the Public Official Election Act, we should not go overboard with this. And I think it's in line with the part where I said I shouldn't think about getting reflective profits.

[Anchor]
Representative Lee Jae-myung's perjury teacher charge was found not guilty in the first trial. CEO Lee Jae-myung has been found not guilty of perjury. He also expressed his gratitude to the court for restoring truth and justice, saying that the difficulties I face are insignificant compared to the people, and that he will do his best for a better life for the people. Can you summarize the main court ruling for a moment?

[Anchor]
First of all, CEO Lee Jae-myung responded by thanking the court for restoring truth and justice, as I said. To summarize today's trial, to sum up the conclusion, Kim Jin-sung, who confessed to perjury, was acquitted in the first trial and fined 5 million won in the first trial. The court lacks evidence that representative Lee Jae-myung was a perjury teacher on the basis for making such a ruling. I emphasized this point. The key point is that it is difficult to say that the issuance of a telephone call or a summary of argument has taught perjury. And it cannot be said that CEO Lee Jae-myung was intentional to the teacher, and the contents of the call are no different from the usual request for testimony. It is difficult to say that he requested perjury just because he mentioned the necessary testimony. He explained the summary of the conclusion that it does not deviate from the usual defense rights.

[Anchor]
The lawyer's claim, the defendant Kim Jin-sung, did not perjure, never perjure, never perjure, and claimed that he was not intentional. Among these, I have never perjured myself. The court accepted the defense's claim that there was no intention. However, they also judged that there was a lack of evidence that Lee Jae-myung was a perjury teacher. After Lee Jae-myung's acquittal in the first trial, attention is being paid to the power of the people and what kind of response they will take, and the power of the people is now heating up controversy over the party bulletin board. There was also an open conflict at the party leadership meeting today. Let me see what happened this morning.

[Anchor]
The party leader and the supreme council member clashed in public like that.

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
Isn't it the difference between the power of the Democratic Party and the people? Do you think that could happen in the Democratic Party now? In a one-polar system? However, since the power of the people is the ruling party, there are things like, "In the past, shouldn't the government and the government cooperate?" The essence is that when a problem occurs, we should tie the knot early for the problem that occurred, apologize for the mistake if there is something wrong, and quickly decide whether it is not. As far as I know, the issue of the party bulletin board has already been a long time. I think it's been dragging it for more than 10 days, but if you keep saying it like this, CEO Han Dong-hoon's favorite words are when analyzing big data like this, he uses two terms a lot. We also talk a lot about the public's perspective.

Another is political responsiveness in English, responsibili. Politics is a reaction. We have to react, right? The second is that politics is responsible. So I use the words "reaction" and "responsibility" a lot. If so, it's about whether your family is involved, but you have no idea now. However, we need to find an alternative that can quickly solve this problem. In that sense, I think I'm practicing a little bit. Because in the past, for example, CEO Han Dong-hoon showed how to solve a problem immediately when a problem broke out in a quick manner. Since it is a little far from such things, the pro-Yoon forces are attacking with it, and on the close side, this is killing Han Dong-hoon. Why is there so much to kill? There's killing Lee Jae-myung and killing Han Dong-hoon. I think that's right. As Lee Jae-myung said today, we talked about not killing politics, but I think it's a side that shows that Korean politics is that unstable.

[Anchor]
The close circle says that CEO Han Dong-hoon himself did not write on the bulletin board, and instead, it is another argument from the pro-Yoon-gye that if you ask whether your family wrote it or not, you can immediately check it and reveal your position on it.

[Bae Jong Chan]
It is also the argument of the pro-Yoon-gye, and the power of the people is in an emergency. That's what the people and supporters are most curious about. Before we have another workshop. Did Han Dong-hoon write on the party bulletin board? No. Then this is the question. So did your wife and family write on the bulletin board? That's right, that's not it. All I have to do is answer this. If you just answer this, it's all over. It's all resolved.

[Anchor]
If the family wrote it.

[Bae Jong-chan] If you wrote
, you can say you wrote it. If you wrote it, you can say you wrote it, and the party bulletin board can link articles of criticism or related articles, and the main content is that of lawmaker Kim Eun-hye. Representative Han, of course, is Kim Eun-hye, who is classified as pro-Yoon-gye, but please tell me clearly. So this may also be different within the conservatives, depending on their political orientation. Some people say why I keep holding CEO Han Dong-hoon's ankles, but this is the question because it's an emergency situation that's really important. Was the post on the party board written by your wife and family stolen or written by yourself? That's right, that's not it. That's all I have to say.

[Anchor]
I see.

[Anchor]
In the end, in the pro-Yoon world, whether the family wrote it or not, they continued to attack Han on this part, and in the pro-Yoon world, they even mentioned the so-called controversy over reading and chewing, saying that it was the third maneuver to kill Han. Following Representative Yoon Sang-hyun, we will continue our conversation after hearing the story of Supreme Council member Kim Jong-hyuk.

[Yoon Sang-hyun/Rep. Power of the People (YTN Radio's "News Fighting, I'm Bae Seung-hee")] In a word, it's simple. It's about whether your family did it or not, what kind of manipulation of public opinion in that way. That's why Han Dong-hoon, who is not like CEO Han Dong-hoon, keeps backing down and passively avoiding it. So many party members want Han Dong-hoon to say something that my family didn't write. So I think I'll continue to be disappointed if I respond passively like this. So, I'd like to ask you to hit it preemptively first. ]

[Kim Jong-hyuk / Supreme Council member of the People's Power (CBS Radio 'Kim Hyun-jung's News Show'): Suddenly, people on the list of pollack bacteria start to attack Han as they start to participate in the war. What is this? I also have this thought. The white paper failed, and then the reading, reading, and chewing also failed. So this time, we're bringing in our family. If you mix it like that when your family hasn't been confirmed, Han Dong-hoon made such a harsh expression about Mrs. Kim, and all the family members participated in it and expressed it like that? That's how it completely turned the situation around. There are many harsh expressions that are 10 times or 100 times more than the best politician, Han Dong-hoon, a maverick, or some kind of Yoon Suk Yeol. Does this mean that public opinion is manipulated? That's why it doesn't make sense. ]

[Anchor]
In the end, I heard the voices of pro-Yoon-gye and pro-Yoon-gye on the issue of the bulletin board that even caused a public collision, who do you think is more correct?

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
Didn't Bae tell you now? You're not solving the calculus right now. It's an arithmetic problem. Isn't it so?

[Anchor]
But why do you think Han is dragging his feet?

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
Well, that part makes me wonder. Of course, I don't think it was manipulation of public opinion that slandered the president during the primary process. It can be seen as an expression of intention, but I think it's too much to attack it like this, saying it's like a Druking manipulation. And it's not hard about this part. If you ask and say that you wrote it, you can say that your family wrote it in the process of fierce competition, but you keep avoiding it. Is Kim Jong-hyuk a member of the Supreme Council? The member of the Supreme Council is a little out of the essence. Suddenly, there are people involved in pollack bacteria, so there are parts that I keep trying to dilute.

So the most important thing is to get back to basics when there is a crisis. We're going back to the basics. The basics are, you can answer the most important thing you want to hear. If you look at it now, what representative Han Dong-hoon said at first is that information related to party members is difficult because of personal information. That's why he kept giving the impression that he was avoiding something because he said it was difficult to approach. So it's not a matter of party member information, but personally, when the party leader asks his family, there's nothing more accurate than that. In that sense, it is not too late.

[Anchor]
There was also an expression that he responded to Rocky and changed his posture to direct refutation.

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
Now, for example, the transition from speaking out strongly at the Supreme Council is to talk about something that has not been done so far. So if you talk about what you want to hear, it's changed, and we have no choice but to say that the transition without it is a very stopgap measure.

[Bae Jong Chan]
I'll just add it very briefly. It would have been better if it hadn't been for this controversy. So, in the end, if any controversy comes out from within the power of the people, it is divided into pro-yoon and pro-friendly. How directly does this hit the party's competitiveness? So it also affects the party's approval rating. Then it's not even public opinion manipulation that I sympathize with Professor Kim Hyung-joon's words earlier. If you posted something like this as a family. And a doctor's expression. You can accept it as an expression of your intention, and CEO Han Dong-hoon also went head-to-head. You have to go with a piece of paper, not a piece of paper.

[Anchor]
We told you earlier this week that it will be Super Week, but please show us the graphic before Super Week. Tomorrow, President Yoon Suk Yeol is expected to veto the special prosecution law, and the list of members of the parliamentary investigation on Chae's illness is expected to be submitted the next day. And on the 28th, if President Yoon exercises his veto power, he will vote again for the third time. How will it affect you? There is a growing conflict between pro-Yoon-gye and pro-Yoon-gye. What do you expect?

[Bae Jong Chan]
Even so, I think the re-vote will be voted down, even though it is anonymous. The reason is that it's approved. The party falls into an uncontrollable inner red and into an inner red that no one can control. Moreover, CEO Lee Jae-myung's sentence is more dangerous as he was acquitted of perjury. You think the crisis is far greater than the crisis within the party. In that situation, the vote on the third re-vote of the Kim Special Prosecutor's Office Act on the 28th is expected to go to the rejection even within the power of the people.

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
But what Lee Jae-myung said today was only Lee Jae-myung? I hope it's a politics that coexists with each other and goes together. Let's do politics that saves people rather than killing them. This person is not Lee Jae-myung. Aren't you talking about the entire Korean people? It's being repeated right now. He kept submitting the special prosecution law like a squirrel's chat wheel, requesting a re-decision on it, rejecting it, holding an outdoor assembly, and impeaching it again. It's not Super Week, in my opinion, if I think again about how long Korean politics should be dug into this. It's just a stereotypical wick. What's the difference? In that sense, if Representative Lee Jae-myung really asks us to go to politics together, not politics of fighting, as he said, we should show what is right for that. We have no choice but to fight because the ruling party does not do that. I say that it is not a solution in my view.

[Anchor]
I see. At this time, the Democratic Party of Korea is holding a closed meeting with the Supreme Council members from 4 p.m. I will tell you what opinions will be collected at the meeting and what kind of remarks Lee Jae-myung has made.

[Anchor]
Finally, we will look at the results of the Realmeter poll released today and analyze them. First of all, the evaluation of the president's job performance is coming out. You're seeing a positive evaluation of 25.7%, which is a slight increase. Party support is also ready. As you can see, the support of the party is 30.3%, and the Democratic Party is 44.9%.

[Anchor]
Perjury teacher Lee Jae-myung was acquitted in the first trial. And the power of the people was the party bulletin board, pro-Yoon-gye, and close-knit public conflict. How do you think it's affecting your party's approval rating?

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
Both parties have seen their approval ratings drop. So, extreme confrontation politics will probably decrease support from the Democratic Party of Korea because, for example, Lee Jae-myung was sentenced to one year in the first trial's Public Official Election Act, or the support of the people's power will suddenly increase. That's an illusion. It's a political story. Take a look at this morning's morning again. Look at the jobs of the MZ generation. In a situation where about 20% are unable to find a job right now, even furthermore, Korea's economic growth rate for next year is very high at around 1%. In such a desperate situation, political circles fight every year, so look at the support for political parties. The shamanic group goes up further. In Gallup, Korea, the size of the shaman group is more than 25%. One in four people reject the party. Considering these things, I would like to say that there will be a situation in which the people will really have to be severely reprimanded if they are buried with only the judicial risk of representative Lee Jae-myung, the Special Prosecutor's Law, and such things.

[Anchor]
What do you think of today's poll, Mr. Bae?

[Bae Jong Chan]
I pay more attention to the president's approval rating than to the party's approval rating. Representative Lee Jae-myung's innocence in the first trial. Also, since this week is Super Week, it can affect the president's approval rating depending on the contents related to the Special Prosecutor's Act on First Lady Kim Gun-hee. I really need to concentrate on the fastball. As the sense of speed, content, and the halfway point of Yoon Suk Yeol's presidency turn, the approval rating must be raised. The president's approval rating is rising, but I'm a data expert, so the most important thing is the Gyeongin office. Economy, personnel, communication. So, if it's not possible with a presidential press conference, someone who can explain communication well to the people should play that role. I'll say hello with my professional expertise. Isn't there the best policy expert who can't make a difference even from the opposition party? It is the people's livelihood that they are relocated back to the minister and the economy is important. Now, there are talks about telecommunications costs and health insurance finances, but the president's approval rating can rise further when the president, the president's office, and the government suggest policies that really touch those people. It seems necessary to focus more on policy and state administration.

[KIM HYEONGJUN]
The beginning of change is greetings. So take a look at Trump. I'm doing this with my loyalists, but I heard they're reforming regulations, so they suddenly have people from companies. Elon Musk. The person in charge of energy policy should be the one who did it on the oil side. We should not leave it to bureaucrats while reforming regulations. Really have stakeholders, put them into regulatory reform, and change this regulation. It's supposed to be an unconventional greeting. If you look at it now, the greeting parts were back a long time. Now, I think it is necessary to quickly take such bold measures to revive the economy through regulatory reform through a really unconventional personnel appointment that can quench the thirst of the people.

[Anchor]
I see. Thank you very much. Representative Lee Jae-myung took a closer look at the political repercussions of the perjury teacher's first trial not guilty. In a moment, I will point out the main meaning of this ruling with two lawyers. So far, we have been with Kim Hyung-joon, chair professor of Bae Jae-dae, and Bae Jong-chan, director of Insight K. Thank you.