◆ [YTN Radio SHINYUL's news]
■ Broadcasting: FM 94.5 (17:00-19:00)
■ Air date: November 15, 2024 (Friday)
■ Proceedings: Shin Yul, Professor of Political Science and Diplomacy at Myongji University
■ Talk: Jeon Byung-hun, leader of the New Future Democratic Party
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- Lee Jae-myung's first trial, rational ruling in frantic politics
- Democratic Party of Korea with stronger solidarity? It's just a calm before the storm
- There will be a full-fledged movement after the perjury teacher ruling on the 25th
- Abuse of presidential veto power? Rather, the Democratic Party induces
- The Democratic Party should not have a future on a sinking ship
- The Democratic Party of Korea, Lee Jae-myung, 1st-pole system... If Lee Jae-myung collapses, 'collapse'
- Lee Jae-myung, who has defects... Can we talk about impeachment?
◆ Shin Yul: Shin Yul's news head-to-head match begins part 4. The person we will meet in the front interview of the fourth part today is Jeon Byung-hun, the representative of the New Future Democratic Party. You're in the studio right now. Welcome, CEO.
◇ Jeon Byung-hun: Yes, nice to meet you.
◆ Shin Yul: Were you surprised by the first trial court's ruling on the case of Lee Jae-myung's violation of the Public Official Election Act today?
◇ Jeon Byung-hun: No. I wasn't surprised. Yesterday, Lee Jae-myung's wife, Kim Hye-kyung, was sentenced to 3 million won and 1.5 million won. So, if the judiciary shows authority and spirit and makes independent beliefs and conscientious judgments, wouldn't it be appropriate to get a one-year sentence, a one-year prison sentence, and a two-year suspended sentence because the sentence was two years now? But I heard a little question about whether it would be like that. Today's ruling was a fresh and shocking one in which the judiciary has consistently shown its own common sense and rationality since yesterday, especially in this age of rational paralysis, which has been confused by some intimidation and then by the camp's logical confirmation-biased camp logic. That's what I think.
◆ Sin Yul: Can you tell me a little bit about why you thought that would happen?
◇ Jeon Byung-hun: The Democratic Party has been threatening and threatening the judiciary too much with the majority of seats and playing around with the budget. So there were many things that belittled and ridiculed the judiciary, so there was some anxiety that Lee Jae-myung's supporters could shrink from various aspects because the giant opposition party shook up like that and because they were almost political hooligans. But it was all about it in the end, showing the judiciary's conscience, common sense and reason alive, and confirming to the people once again that its mettle is the only thing the judiciary has surely imprinted on people's trust and their independent status in Korea's chaotic separation of powers. I think it created a fresh wind.
◆ Shin Yul: Representative Jeon Byung-hun was a multi-term lawmaker and senior presidential secretary for political affairs, and he's very well-versed in politics. First of all, within the Democratic Party of Korea, he's doing this. It must be a shock right now, but what do you expect to happen?
◇ Jeon Byung-hun: For me, as you just said, it would have been very shocking for the Democratic Party.
◆ Shin Yul: I was shocked too. Not the Democratic Party, but
◇ Jeon Byung-hun: Nevertheless, it was actually a reasonable judgment if you look at it like this with common sense and reason. However, since our society is now in such camp logic due to a kind of collective madness, I don't think common sense and reason work much anymore, so I think we are very shocked by this ruling, even though it is a fresh and legitimate ruling. That's why I think the reaction will strengthen the party's solidarity as the Democratic Party holds its breath and shrinks even more. But I think it's the calm before the storm. Originally, screams and dissidents within the Democratic Party did not have high expectations for the election law, and they had high expectations for the perjury teacher part on the 25th. So, if the perjury teacher is ruled on the 25th, he has been talking with a message that he will move in earnest from then on. Until the 25th, there will be measures such as a breakaway or a crack in the party, so there will be such phenomena as the calm before a storm in a storm, but after the 25th, the storm will blow and the earth's crust may start. That's how I see it.
◆ Shin Yul: If you become a perjury teacher on the 25th, but I think there's an official story of the top Democratic Party. We regret the political ruling in response to the Yoon Suk Yeol regime's killing of political opponents. How do you interpret this? Could this be interpreted as an attack on the judiciary? What do you think?
◇ Jeon Byung-hun: It's a head-on challenge to the judiciary. The Democratic Party of Korea has been nothing if you look at it now, hasn't it? No matter how right the legislation is, it should be seen to persuade the opposing minority ruling party with at least sincerity, but it was seen that the Yoon Suk Yeol regime was forced to exercise its veto power without burden, but I think it is still not sobering to challenge the judiciary this time. Still haven't woken up in their own other world yet. I look forward to waking up a little more if I go on the 25th.
◆ Shin Yul: In an interview with the Segye Ilbo on November 13, if the former CEO wants to impeach the special prosecutor, he must overcome the obstacle of representative Lee Jae-myung. What did you say?
◇ Jeon Byung-hun: It's not the World Daily. I interviewed Kang Chan-ho, an editorial writer for the JoongAng Ilbo. But I think that's natural. If you look at the impeachment requirements of the past Park Geun Hye government and the impeachment requirements of the Yoon Suk Yeol government now. It is true that the Yoon Suk Yeol government is incomparably serious. Nevertheless, I think there are two reasons why it doesn't get so much power like the Park Geun Hye government. First, the ruling party has a certain lesson, trauma, and lesson after impeachment. And yet, the reason why the people's rush is not catching fire is that the defective leader Lee Jae-myung is the leader of the opposition party, so many people are skeptical that impeachment will not lead to Lee Jae-myung, who has benefited from it. Rather, even if Lee Jae-myung and the Democratic Party, who want the earliest presidential election and have to hold an early presidential election prematurely, try to lead an early presidential election, they are not gaining momentum. And now, I'm saying that the biggest obstacle to this impeachment is Representative Lee Jae-myung himself. Even if impeachment is done next time, unless the next election is re-challenged by President Yoon Suk Yeol, Lee cannot win if representative Lee Jae-myung becomes a candidate and a new figure from the ruling party over there comes out of the people's power and conservative forces. That's how I see it. And now, moreover, there has been an objective and common-sense judgment in the court today, but since it seems almost impossible for representative Lee Jae-myung to maintain his right to run for the election, I would like to say that the Democratic Party should no longer have a future on the sinking ship and be interested in drawing up a new round.
◆ Shin Yul: I want to ask you two questions. The first thing I want to ask you is that the ruling on November 25th will be a watershed moment. Aren't there people who are from the Democratic Party of Korea, the New Future Democratic Party, and the New Reform Party? How do you think there's momentum for the power to gather like this?
◇ Jeon Byung-hun: If Representative Lee Jae-myung leaves, the Democratic Party of Korea can't breathe properly there because it is a party that is almost idolized beyond the one-pole system. As a result, if Lee Jae-myung loses his right to run for election, it could collapse like a collapse if one of the weaknesses of the first-pole system is removed. But on the other hand, I think it's not enough to get into the Democratic Party and create any room and activity space because the political hooliganism's dog daughters still control the Democratic Party. That's why I think we should make a new decision outside the Democratic Party if we try to challenge the government once again and try to find it again. I thought this ruling could be a very important trigger, and I thought the ruling on the 25th would be the decisive trigger, but since it was pulled about 10 days earlier, the movement will be accelerated by about 10 days. As the current atmosphere is almost certain, four trials are underway, and Kim Hye-kyung was fined for restricting voting rights with 104,000 won yesterday, which is the tip of the iceberg, and now more than 100 cases and tens of millions of won worth of corporate cards are privately misappropriated. In my view, Kim Hye-kyung's ruling yesterday will never exonerate her, as she will soon be investigated and prosecuted. Since it is a very serious crime, it is guilty, and if you look at the remittance case to North Korea in common sense, it is difficult for candidate Lee Jae-myung to break through judicial risks anymore. That's how I make the judgment. So, I hope that the Democratic Party of Korea will no longer cling to Chairman Lee Jae-myung, who has been virtually diagnosed with death, and will take on the challenge and attempt to quickly come up with a new framework to regain power.
◆ Sin Yul: But now we're going to start talking about a lot of things. But what we talk about the most is the three Kims, Kim Kyung-soo, former governor Kim Dong-yeon, former lawmaker Kim Doo-kwan, and the three prime ministers. Former Prime Minister Kim Boo-kyum, former Prime Minister Chung Se-kyun, and former Prime Minister Lee Nak-yeon are all presidential candidates. What do you think is the most likely alternative among these?
◇ Jeon Byung-hun: I met with President Moon Jae In last August and I talked about the 3 Kim here and the various intentions of President Moon Jae In.
◆ Sin Yul: Thanks to you, there was a lot of news. Thank you.
◇ Jeon Byung-hun: I've told you, but as you just said, three Kims in total are just mixed up with each person saying and feeling like this. Then, when various spices are combined together, a new taste is created. So, if the three Kims gather in one nest on one boundary and mix them again, I think the competitiveness and image of each of the three Kims will be completely different after we talk about the three Kims, Lee Nak-yeon, Jeong Se-kyun, Kim Boo-kyum, Kim Doo-kwan, Kim Dong-yeon, and Kim Kyung-soo. So now, everyone has competitiveness, experience, and experience, and then they have their own qualities, and with him and power, so anyone can be a very difficult candidate to be beaten by the ruling party. That's what I think. From our point of view, we are trying to create a platform, so we want to create a square where 3 gim can play a fair game without being biased against any specific candidate, and create an image and brand of 3 gim that can taste new by mixing them well.
◆ Shin-ryul: So you said you would make a new round outside the Democratic Party, but in the end, can you understand that the new future Democratic Party will be a platform to create a new alternative force if Chairman Lee Jae-myung falters?
◇ Jeon Byung-hun: We basically changed the name of the new future to the new Democratic Party and the new future to the new Democratic Party itself. It is urgent to build a real Democratic Party because the Democratic Party of Korea has completely eliminated the spirit and values of Kim Dae Jung Roh Moo Hyun, become the idolizing party of Lee Jae-myung, and the DNA itself has changed, and the Democratic Party has become a fake Democratic Party. In that sense, the new Democratic Party was created. Of course, we believe that as the new Democratic Party of Korea, which further upgrades its vision for a new future while inheriting 70 years of historical legitimacy and values, the three Kims should come together and become a political group that shows new visions and capabilities.
◆ Shin Yul: Are there any members of the Democratic Party who are in contact with you now?
◇ Jeon Byung-hun: There are a lot of lawmakers who are in touch. First-term lawmakers now. Except for a few first-time lawmakers, most of the second-term or higher-level lawmakers know each other, and those who are in the New Reform Party and major executives in the Cho Kuk Innovation Party are people I know a lot, so I think I can fully consult and communicate.
◆ I guess there's a consensus, right?
◇ Jeon Byung-hun: I'm not sure. Until now, we are not at the stage where we can say that we are forming a consensus, but we have been saying that we will start speaking out after the 25th. It's because I've been pushing you directly and indirectly. Because I'm the only one in the New Democratic Party who leads one company alone in that wilderness field. It felt like I was charging alone, so I felt very lonely and lonely. But as of today, I feel like I've got a big support group. And it feels like the radios that the reinforcements are willing to come are just starting to come in. And even if today's sentence didn't come out much more than expected, the 25th was almost certain. After the 25th, we will be able to move in earnest.
◆ Shin Yul: You're saying that you're listening to a lot of voices, but I'm curious about one thing: The mainstream of the Democratic Party, including Chairman Lee Jae-myung, is to make a strong attack on the outside. It's a very classical theory. So even if I think like this, I think the rental offensive will be strengthened, and internal encouragement is right. Another thing is that I think I feel the need to hold more early presidential elections. What do you think?
◇ Jeon Byung-hun: Regardless of this ruling, I made my sin known by myself, right? Because they know their sins, and those who act as protective and bulletproof protection are actually confident on the outside, but they knew there was such a risk internally, so they didn't just say it in detail, but they have been on a rental offensive aimed at early resignation and early presidential election. And last weekend, CEO Lee Jae-myung was talking at a rally, and I said, "I won't say two words." What is it in itself? That's impeachment, but if a person with a defect talks about impeachment, it's obvious that he's trying to hold an early presidential election because of his defect. I didn't say that, but people around me kept talking about impeachment and early presidential election. So it will heat up a little more, but nevertheless, I think it will be very difficult to form a national consensus, rather than the Democratic Party's strong efforts for early presidential election or impeachment. And the people, not only the trauma of the ruling party last time, but also the general common sense people. Isn't Korea an advanced cultural powerhouse in the world right now except for politics? Everyone is looking up to him, but politics is actually crazy right now. Therefore, the majority of the people reasonably know that if the president is impeached again because it takes one more time, it will seriously damage the national image or brand and seriously damage the national interest, so it is even more difficult to hold an early presidential election until the Supreme Court decides to convict Lee Jae-myung as the Democratic Party wants. That's how I see it.
◆ Shin Yul: I'm sure the Democratic Party is a little embarrassed now, but does this go to the power of the people or the president's half-interest? What do you think?
◇ Jeon Byung-hun: I don't think it goes with reflective profits. Until now, the conflict between the people's power and the president, Yongsan, and the people's power. Even though it was an environment that could not be better for the opposition party, the reflective profits were very limited to the Democratic Party. Likewise, even if it is reversed now, the reflection profit will be relatively limited. That's how I look at it. Therefore, even before the last general election, there was a lot of talk about the third zone, but I think the number of people who feel that Korea will have a very limit to leap into an advanced world country with the power of the people and the Democratic Party will increase exponentially. That's why we need a new platform. It seems that we need an advanced party that is quite modernized and upgraded while inheriting the history and legitimacy of the Democratic Party. In the past, if the Democratic Party of Korea's seniors and presidential candidates make a new round, three Kims will play a key role first, and new dark horse figures will be added to it, and if it is renewed like this, frantic politics have led to political regression so far, it can be a good opportunity and a springboard to advance and leap forward. That's what I think.
◆ Shin Yul: Do you think Yoon Suk Yeol's approval rating will go up one more time?
◇ Jeon Byung-hun: I think support for President Yoon Suk Yeol will go up a little more. Regardless of CEO Lee Jae-myung's guilt, the conservatives are now gathered, and there is a good possibility that the conservatives will regroup the things that have fallen into lethargy and desperation due to the damage of CEO Lee Jae-myung. It's the aspect of maintenance. After coming back from APEC, we talked about this and that. As the conflict between Han Dong-hoon and the party and Yongsan is now being sealed and strongly emerging as a rally, I think that the next 1-2 weeks, 1, 2, 3 weeks will rise little by little for the time being at the stage where conservatives are reorganizing and starting anew.
◆ Shin Yul: Okay. Let's stop here today. Thank you.
◇ Jeon Byung-hun: Thank you.
◆ Shin Yul: I was Jeon Byung-hun, the leader of the New Future Democratic Party.
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