[News FM Lee Ik-seon Choi Soo-young Issue & People]
□ Broadcast date and time: November 26, 2024 (Tue)
□ Host: Lee Ik-seon, Choi Soo-young
□ Performers: Kim Kyung-jin, former member of the People's Power, and Shin Kyung-min, former member of the Democratic Party of Korea,
<Kim Kyung-jin, former member of the People's Power>
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◇ Interest Line: We will release the political talk supplement, which has been strongly brewed by the news of political interest, in Gyeongok High School. We invited two former lawmakers, Kim Kyung-jin and Shin Kyung-min. Please come in.
◆Choi Soo-young: Lee Jae-myung, CEO of perjury, was acquitted of the first trial yesterday. I'm sure many people were surprised, but the unexpected result is that liberals and conservatives are divided into different opinions. However, there was a perjury person, but there was no perjury teacher. Since you're a legal professional, what if lawmaker Kim Kyung-jin said something first?
□Kim Kyung-jin: I can't talk about it from a legal perspective. Anyway, we respect the ruling itself as our party spokesman said. It's my personal opinion, but the logic doesn't fit in my head. First of all, there seems to be little disagreement between the court, the Democratic Party, and the defendant Lee Jae-myung. So the fact that you made the phone call, and the fact that you sent the summary of your argument through Telegram, and most of the phone calls you made may have feelings about it. But whether or not you can see it as a teacher is a matter of evaluation. But the judge told me to tell you the truth, and he said, "Isn't it possible for a criminal defendant who is being tried as a lawyer to do that?" If you pass the bar exam in 1989 and have a criminal trial while working as a lawyer so far, the first thing is, don't talk to the person involved on the phone for no reason. It's this. The moment we talk on the phone, we get misunderstood. It's this one. So the first rule was never to call or contact them directly. But yesterday's judge's ruling is in the Supreme Court, so I don't know what will happen, but if it does, the era of talking on the phone to your heart's content has opened. The person on trial can talk to the people involved on the phone as much as he wants and tell them the truth about 10 times. But read the summary carefully. Take a good look at it. That's our position. Anyway, you have to tell me the truth. So now the other side gets it. I'll talk well in court with that purpose. That's what happened.
◇ Proficiency line: I see. I felt the nuance.
■ Shin Kyung-min: CEO Lee Jae-myung was probably surprised yesterday. I was very nervous, but if I explain the purpose and listen to it at the end, I think my heart would have been warmed up thinking that this is innocent. I was a legal reporter and a member of the judiciary committee. I've seen the Korean court closely since the 1980s for a very long time. The judge is really strong. People say the test is strong. That's not true. The judge is really strong. But yesterday was one of those days. According to the facts, Kim Jin-sung, who committed perjury, acquitted two and convicted four. At the same time, he said that the person who was sentenced to a fine, but who was a perjury teacher, was not intentional. But the intention is actually in your heart. That's why it's always intentional in your mind, but these circumstances, indirect evidence, suggest that it's intentional. But the judge can choose from this fact as he pleases. However, yesterday, if you arbitrarily choose a fact and conclude that you are not intentional, you have no choice but to go to innocence. Then I'm innocent. If you look at it as a conviction, this is more than 10 months in prison. Of course, probation can be attached, but almost everyone expected a year to a year and a half in prison if there was a weighting factor. It doesn't matter to Jinyoung. So, in this case, we had no choice but to go innocent by saying that there was no intention. I'll talk about it in detail later, but I'm very worried about the after-judgment. I am concerned that after this ruling, our country's politics, society, and Yeouido will probably be a terrible mess.
◆Choi Soo-young: I see. So, in the power of the people, Joo Jin-woo, chairman of the legal committee, said in the appeal trial that this is highly likely to be overturned, but he is also a legal professional. Do you think there is a basis for that?
□Kim Kyung-jin: It's just a matter of evaluation, as is anchor Choi Soo-young and viewers who listened to the show. It's a matter of analysis and interpretation. If you look at it, I don't see much disagreement. Kim Jin-sung didn't want to appear as a witness at first after talking on the phone for a long time. But if you look at it, they keep telling me to come out, so I had no choice but to come out. But in the process, you may not remember it well, but read the summary of the argument, saying, "This is our position." Isn't it in this context? Then, in this overall flow, defendant Lee Jae-myung said that he should tell the truth in the middle, and even if he said this about 10 times, he was forced to come out in that context. Next, Kim Jin-sung was still the subject of a business license related to Gyeonggi-do. Then I received the summary of this argument. And if you talk with your eyes and facial expressions while talking on the phone for a long time, doesn't the other person read it all in your heart? In the case of Kim Jin-sung, he says, 'Yes, I understand what you're saying.' So, in my opinion, the appeals court in this case may decide within a very short period of time.
◇Lee Ik-seon: Lee Jae-myung won 1 and lost 1 over this situation, and the media used this expression. He said that he was not guilty of perjury and imprisonment in the election law, but Representative Shin said earlier that it would be difficult for the political world. Let's hear from you two about the impact this will have on politics.
■ Shin Kyung-min: First of all, two second trials will proceed, and the rest will continue to proceed with the first trial, right? But among them, the election law is very disadvantageous to defendant Lee Jae-myung. However, according to the 633 principle, the election law now stipulates that the appeal trial should be completed within three months, and the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court now tells us to keep this. And what's in the election law is that the election law trial can proceed even if the defendant doesn't come out. So the delay or obstruction of the lawsuit will be very severe. There is a very high possibility that a lot of surprising strange things will happen. In order not to end it within three months, the court has to shake it somehow, so you can file a constitutional petition with the Constitutional Court, or if the court does not accept it, you can file a challenge. It could hurt. In that way, we will never make a conclusion by proceeding with the election law within three months. Also, in the case of a lawsuit that came out yesterday, the defendant must come out. So there will be a lot of new ways to come out. If this happens, the Democratic Party of Korea will exert its power here, so if this happens, Yeouido will be noisy, Seocho-dong will be noisy, and Suwon will be noisy. That's how many things happen that the basic system of the national system is very shaken. The more important issue is that Yoon Suk Yeol, Lee Jae-myung, and Yoon-myung's competition now enters the final round as a race for time. In the meantime, we've been competing for a lot of things for the past two and a half years, starting with the presidential election. There were a lot. I don't even know how many episodes it's been. But it's really the last time. Now, the Yoon Suk Yeol impeachment and the Lee Jae-myung trial are competing for the two, and it is a confrontation between who falls first, and hatred, confrontation, conflict, hate, and everything will come out. Since the whole nation will be mobilized and both the big parties and the parties will be mobilized, the events of the Yongho Sang-bak will unfold in the year 25, which will make the whole country noisy. That's why the year 24 was really loud. The year 25 is coming soon.
◆Choi Soo-young: I see. As you said now, Park Kyun-taek, chairman of the Democratic Party of Korea's legal committee, has already released a trailer that he will review the election law trial and the request for an unconstitutional law trial. What do you think?
□Kim Kyung-jin: I think 100% the same as Representative Shin Kyung-min. Because if it ends very quickly, it will probably end by the end of next summer, or I think it will be organized by this time next year. First of all, look at the budget review right now. Prosecutors and police activity expenses have been cut. I'm telling you not to do anything. But the president's office has also cut all the budget now. Prosecutors and police agencies that can move at least a little have all been cut. The second is that the Democratic Party of Korea gives clear signals to government officials in each department in the process of budget deliberation. Don't listen to the president's office. From now on, do as we are told. Otherwise, I won't give you a budget. It gives a signal in the process of clearly reviewing the budget. Even so, from the perspective of public officials, the president's approval rating is very low. We also have low approval ratings for political parties. Then can they re-create the power of the people next time? You get this question. Then, public officials are doing nothing and just looking at their faces. It's in line with the Democratic Party's budget cuts now. Then I won't do anything in the public office and officialdom. So I'm not going to do anything, and I'm not going to let you guys do anything. This is the basis of the Democratic Party. The second is the Election Act 633, as mentioned earlier, regarding the criminal trial of defendant Lee Jae-myung. Then, the last time the probation was made, the appeals court must come out within 3 months. How long did the first trial take? It took almost two years. 633. You can't do this. Even if it's a mandatory regulation of the law, as I said earlier, it doesn't matter what the situation is, whether it's a car accident or an important party meeting is held. So this election law trial is being dragged as late as possible. But this time, for example, the election law was suspended, and if the perjury is suspended or convicted this time, two cases are back-to-back. Then Chairman Lee Jae-myung will actually be hit hard politically, and then there will be a lot of trends around the Democratic Party to find new runners behind the scenes. But now that power will be very weak. At the same time, the atmosphere of "Isn't it inevitable to go to the center of Lee Jae-myung even if he dies?" has been formed among the Democratic Party members, and in order to save Lee Jae-myung, the government and the ruling party should be vegetated and fought as much as possible. The trial should be delayed and frantically led to the impeachment of Yoon Suk Yeol and Kim Geon-hee, or they should secure 150 percent of the leadership of the government in any way possible. It's this. In the end, so it will be hectic until September to November next year.
◇ Profit line: It will take a year. But because of this ruling. Then, if the screaming system moves, it dies. It is a just ruling by the Democratic Party of Korea lawmakers who poured out strong remarks. The rough waves make an experienced captain. That's what they say. You're talking about lawmaker Jung Sung-ho and lawmaker Park Ji-won. The response has completely changed 180 degrees.
□Kim Kyung-jin: That's the same for us. It's the same everywhere, so there's no need to blame each other. That's how I see it. I've been a regular prosecutor for about 15 years. I basically did everything I wanted to do. So, no matter what the pattern is, there is no case that prosecutors prosecute so hastily when they say they prosecute. That's why representative Lee Jae-myung is being prosecuted now because the law of evidence that deserves to be seen like that is being read. So, the people, especially those in the middle class, say that they are guilty on one side of the country, so those in the middle class don't have to worry about it. Also, the Democratic Party of Korea said, "Wow, man, just justice." It's not like this. People in the middle class just don't care. You just have to watch the court's ruling with a cool and calm mind.
◆Choi Soo-young: But Representative Shin, the mood within the party has changed 180 degrees all of a sudden. Representative Kim is now seeing that this will continue in the future. How do you see it?
■Nervous: It's true that the power of the screaming world has weakened. If this happens, it will be suspended for now. First of all, it will be postponed until summer. That's definitely how you're going to buy time, but as I said earlier, you'll probably enter this competition to see who runs out of energy and who runs out of leaves faster. The impact of this fight will eventually affect the screaming world as well. So there will probably be a time when something will be decided in this fight at some point next year. If it gets longer in late summer, it will take nearly a year to reach this time next year, so I think 25 years is a little grim. I think this is going to be a terrible time.
□Kim Kyung-jin: By the way. Korea is a country that has been impeached twice by the president but has not had a civil war with a gun. You only need to have the fundamental belief that the system and constitutional order of the Republic of Korea will be maintained at the great level of the people.
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