[News NIGHT] It's difficult to form an emergency committee...The Constitutional Constitution between the ruling and opposition parties is also "several battles."

■ Host: Anchor Sung Moon-gyu
■ Starring: Former Saenuri Party lawmaker Chung Ok-im, former member of the new future responsible for Shin Kyung-min

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[Anchor]
It's a focus night time to look at news of political interest. Today, Chung Ok-im, former member of the Saenuri Party, and Shin Kyung-min, former member of the new future committee, are here. Please come in. The People's Power held a general meeting of lawmakers today to discuss the appointment of the emergency committee chairman. I couldn't come to a conclusion. However, we decided to continue the process of collecting opinions for each player. Let's hear the related remarks in person.

[Kwon Seong-dong / Acting People's Power Party leader: This is an emergency situation. The party must deal with the emergency situation while minimizing noise with a united voice. ]

[Ahn Cheol Soo / People's Power Member] Most of the lawmakers seem to have more opinions that a two-top system would be better if it were now. ]

[Kwon Seong-dong / Acting leader of People's Power Party: Members have yet to gather their opinions on the establishment of the emergency committee. That's why I told you so that you can listen to each player's opinions and present them. I would like to tell you that I collected opinions from the first-choice, re-election, and third-term meetings for each player and recommended someone suitable for me as the emergency committee chairman. I think it will take some time to gather opinions for each player. ]

[Anchor]
The big part of the discussion of the chairman of the emergency committee of the people's power was whether it was one-top or two-top. Kwon Sung-dong, the acting leader of the party, will also serve as the chairman of the emergency committee. Two-top is now a two-top plan to appoint senior members of the floor to chair the emergency committee and have two floor leaders. How do you see it, and which one do you think is a better option?

[Nice]
Aren't all those who voted for impeachment now in an atmosphere of alienation? And CEO Han Dong-hoon has already been ousted. That's why about 90 people should unite and unite, and under that consensus, I don't think I'll be able to see what sympathy and consent can be gained from the people, even if I leave one-top or two-top and become three-top.

[Anchor]
First of all, why don't the party pick a new chairman of the emergency committee as a senior member of the floor and go two-top? It seems that opinions are usually gathered like this.

[nervous]
Well, from what I heard, let's choose a fresh person, and even the first-time lawmaker came out this time. That's what they said. That's why I keep talking about his name, but if this happens, let's put on a show with a face.

[Anchor]
Are you talking about Rep. Kim Jae-seop?

[nervous]
That's right. I don't know if Kim will be happy or not to hear that, but if he accepts it, I don't know if he will be able to hear people say, "Yes, you did a great job." But the core of the problem now is that if you go like this, you're going to end up with Chin Yoon, right? Going to pro-yoon will eventually lead to isolation, alienation, and going to a local party, and the future of the people's power will be really worried for conservatives. If you believe in their little power, there will be some elections in the future, and you will be isolated from them, but it is not desirable for Korean politics because it can lead to the conclusion that you will continue to be alienated and isolated in the rest of the region, especially in this part of the metropolitan area. This will definitely backfire. I said on December 14 that we were happy and in the right direction that impeachment was concluded in favor, but there were too many votes against it. It's coming over this week, so it's going to be like this. In the end, it is judged that the opposition vote prevents the National Power Party from setting its direction well.

[Anchor]
Therefore, it seems that the voice of impeachment responsibility, not the theory of emergency martial law responsibility, is quite loud in electing the chairman of the People's Power Emergency Committee. In the case of the mayor of Hong Joon Pyo, who said this is not the floor, he said, "Let's suspend the membership of pro-impeachment lawmakers." In opposition, Rep. Kim Sang-wook approved of impeachment. The far-right cancerous mass must be removed from the party. That's what I said.Ma seems to have a small voice like this, how do you see it?

[Nice]
However, the mayor of Hong Joon Pyo is from Yulsa, who knows the law better than anyone else. Then, anyone who has studied the law properly about the nature of emergency martial law, no, anyone with common sense who has not majored in law knows, but this voice seems to be the mainstream of the people's power. And as anchor Sung said, you didn't participate in the resolution regarding emergency martial law except for the 18 people there. Then, there are far more people who have not participated in the resolution to lift the emergency martial law and whether they are firmly opposed to it or are reflecting on not participating in the vote, and they talk about impeachment. So, in my view, it's not that the camp was divided by any ideology or understanding, but rather the political culture of Korea. Even though party democracy is stipulated in the Constitution, when power is determined, it is fiercely obedient to that power. That's no different for the Democratic Party. If this is the case, what is the difference between a political party and a gangster? This is what happens at the connecting line of it now.

[Anchor]
You're using extreme expressions, too.In any case, Ma was not concluded today, and there were many opinions recommending senior members of the party. Since we said that we will discuss each player, let's watch the situation together. In the midst of this, acting party leader Kwon Sung-dong and representative Lee Jae-myung met for the first time since the impeachment bill was passed. Let's hear what kind of stories came and went.

[Cho Seung-rae / Senior spokesman for the Democratic Party of Korea: Kwon Sung-dong, acting leader and floor leader of the People's Power Party, will first say hello. ]

[Lee Jae-myung / Minjoo Party leader: Everything is more.... You go first. [Laughing]

[Kwon Sung-dong / Acting People's Power Party leader: The current situation, the impeachment of three times in our constitutional history, has been impeached three times so far, and I think we need to examine it at this point to see if the constitution's governance structure and presidential-centered nation really fit our reality. Therefore, I would like to ask CEO Lee Jae-myung to show a forward-looking attitude. ]

[Lee Jae-myung/Democratic Party leader: I don't know if you know, but (Representative Kwon Seong-dong) is a senior at our university and a senior who used to study for the exam when he was young. Personally, we're very close.... I think CEO Kwon Sung-dong is a little pessimistic about the state affairs stability council I proposed. We can give way to everything we need.... It would be nice to make an extra budget for people's livelihoods. I have that thought and I ask for a prospective review of this part. ]

[Anchor]
Considering the frozen political situation, today's atmosphere between the two was quite amicable, but it's actually a college senior and junior relationship, right?

[nervous]
We've known this for a long time because we always talk about this when we meet.

[Anchor]
a serious law school

[nervous]
We talked about this today. It doesn't matter. I don't think we're in a mood where we make concessions and do things we can't. You can say that we actually drew a parallel line today. Actually, they only showed smiling faces to each other, but nothing was agreed upon. I don't think there will be any agreement in the future. From that point of view, I just said hello. They met for the first time since they took over each other's positions. I don't think there's anything other than that meaning. Nothing has been done about the really important story yet. The most immediate question now is, in fact, whether to go to the Constitutional Court as a whole or not. In the end, what will be the right to appoint? Should acting Han Deok-soo be appointed or not? I should have said something about this, but this is a really important issue. And this structure that makes the investigation competitive with each other. How should we move to a system where we can properly investigate this structure as soon as possible? I think this is the most important issue right now. Of course, the issue of state stability is underlying it. However, there is no particular story about such a problem.

[Anchor]
Let's talk about the Constitutional Court judge later. At the meeting between the two of you today, acting authority Kwon Sung-dong proposed it. I talked about the issue of constitutional amendment while talking about the harmful effects of the current winner-take-all structure of the presidential system. Is there a reason why you brought up the amendment card?

[Nice]
There may be an idea to change the situation with a constitutional amendment card. Isn't it a situation where the power of the people is being criticized in all directions except for the bone marrow supporters of the people's power? That's why I wanted to show that I was thinking about changing the situation or thinking about it. However, if we look back on the past a little bit, it was the Democratic Party that actually insisted on constitutional amendment when the president was attacked for various political issues and denial issues before declaring emergency martial law. But now that martial law has been declared and impeached, isn't the power of the people, who had previously been in the position that there was no way to amend the constitution, talking about the constitution? So, I remember talking about the constitutional amendment to shorten the term of office at this place, but if I had done it head-to-head at that time...

[Anchor]
I suggested it as a solution then.

[Nice]
I did, but now it's been too long. Before the president was impeached, and now in Lee Jae-myung's head, let's make a constitutional amendment to a person who thinks that he will become president in a little while and a few months, will that person receive it? So it's over after we say our own words.

[Anchor]
You said it was for a turnaround, and you said political tools and cards that each party takes out when in a crisis.

[Nervous]
[Nervous]{President Yoon's issue, which has been happening since December 3rd, is actually a clear demonstration of the harmful effects of the presidential system, so it is correct to reform the system. But it's not the right atmosphere to take that out right now. Right now, the investigation, impeachment, and constitutional court composition are so urgent that how many people in Korea can listen to this? So I'm just saying it. I don't think many people pay attention to this.

[Anchor]
The media is talking about this seriously, such as the four-year presidential term system, the parliamentary cabinet system, and the dual government system, which are reduced to four years of the presidential system. So it's different from the need and talking about it from the power of the people like this, do you see it that way?

[Nice]
Not only that, but it's not easy for Korea to amend the constitution because it's not easy to change the constitution, but when he takes power, he doesn't even bring out the person who is changing the constitution. Then, we talk about the four-year two-term system, the parliamentary cabinet system, and the dual government system, but in fact, if the constitutional amendment is made, there are so many other questions to be included in the constitution. That's why there's a lot of demand, so there's no constitutional amendment. Unless we have such a system in place where we amend the constitution according to the needs of the United States, we only talk about it when we turn things around politically and then we go in. And now that I've done it, the ruling party, the opposition party, and the power center are called patron cliers in technical terms, and in Japanese slang, they have a structure like that under Oya, so to put it simply, in the parliamentary cabinet system, the person who is in power now, the party. It means that he will be transformed into a political system that he can do for the rest of his life. Is that right for our city administration? That's what I'm thinking about now.

[Anchor]
Even so, National Assembly Speaker Woo Won-sik is also a constitutionalist and made a long argument a few months ago. And Jeon Byung-hun, chairman of the New Future Democratic Party, also said, "Now is the time for constitutional amendment. Sun Gae-heon, so let's amend the constitution first and hold the presidential election later. He had this agenda.

[nervous]
There are a lot of people who said this. All the speakers of the National Assembly have said this. Woo Won-sik is not the only chairman now, but the former chairman, the former chairman, and the former chairman always made a special committee during my inauguration speech by making constitutional amendments. I don't think this has ever been seriously discussed. And this time again, I think it will probably disappear silently in the impeachment process.

[Anchor] On the other hand, representative Lee Jae-myung has repeatedly called for participation in the National Security Council. It's officially the third time, but both of them emphasized stabilizing state affairs, but the solution seems to be a little different. The ruling party is now talking about the party-government council, and the opposition party is asking the opposition party to form a council.

[Nice]
So, as a demonstration, there are important issues related to policy, not politics. For example, before Trump's inauguration, there are various issues related to tariff pressure, troop contributions, and semiconductors and automobiles that are directly related to our economy and people's livelihoods. Then, before I thought that I should make some kind of organization and do something about it, I couldn't even pass the relevant laws regarding that practical part. For example, the semiconductor chip method is a representative example. Before we said let's make something like that and let's make an organization, we took the initiative and solved it, and now I see the political world. Whether it's the ruling party or the opposition party, it's not a simple end. It's the same with the impeachment process. Nevertheless, I sincerely hope that we can reach an agreement through consultation on the economy so that it is free from the wave of politics and the economy itself moves firmly.

[Anchor]
The issue of constitutional amendment that acting president Kwon Sung-dong talked about a while ago, and the National Security Council that representative Lee Jae-myung talked about, are all right in a way and it is good to agree on that together.Ma seems to be going to a situation where they can't get offers from each other while looking at different inner thoughts.

[nervous]
In the end, if you think about the benefits and benefits. The question of right and wrong doesn't really matter. Soon, the various problems the anchor said will end without echoing.

[Anchor]
Kwon Sung-dong, the acting president, also talked about this today. Director of the Board of Audit and Inspection, Minister of Justice. Didn't the Democratic Party impeach you recently? So I asked for the withdrawal of the impeachment, but all of these are political offensives and I said let's withdraw them at the National Assembly level. What happened today was that the first impeachment trial against three prosecutors, including Lee Chang-soo, the chief of the Central District Prosecutors' Office, was held today, and it ended in three minutes. How did this end in 3 minutes?

[Nice]
Because Jung Cheong-rae, a member of the impeachment committee, neither he nor the claimant was present, nor the representative was appointed, so rather, the lawmaker or the National Assembly, who prosecuted, came out passively, so today, it was a very interesting scene to set the date again in three minutes. As floor leader Kwon Sung-dong claims, he has been impeached one after another, but if impeachment was sincere, would he have passed today so irresponsibly? So there's that dimension. So floor leader Kwon Sung-dong said, "Then let's solve other impeachment politically, but we can't solve it." Because if it was lifted, the important basis for the president's declaration of emergency martial law was indiscriminate impeachment, right? Then they admit they're doing something wrong on their own. So, it's all political calculations inside, but the ridiculous happening that the National Assembly showed in the process of impeaching the chief of the Central District Prosecutors' Office today is that kind of politics that he impeaches and doesn't clean up. If you said you would impeach him, then how come this person should actively be subject to impeachment, but he didn't even show up at the Constitutional Court at all?

[Anchor] Isn't it that 14 articles of impeachment are pending in the Constitutional Court right now? Representative Shin, please say something briefly.

[nervous]
This is really wrong. There must be a mistake in this, and someone must have missed this date. So this shouldn't happen. If this goes wrong, you have to set a new date, but you didn't do that.

[Anchor]
I asked for it today, but the Constitutional Court didn't accept it and it didn't come out.

[nervous]
So, you should have persuaded the Constitutional Court by making it clear why you have to carry this out, but you can't go out. If the Constitutional Court makes you enforce it like this and you can't go out again and again, this is a loss of face in front of the people. This should not happen again.

[Anchor]
The preparation date has been set for January 8th, so let's see how it goes then. Let me talk about three candidates for the Constitutional Court. There's a lot of noise about the appointment right now. Today, a special committee on personnel hearings was held, with only opposition members present. You all know, right? In the ruling party, acting representative Han Deok-soo should not exercise his right to appoint him, and the Democratic Party should appoint him because it is the recommendation of the National Assembly. Let's hear from Representative Shin first.

[nervous]
As we fight over the appointment right issue, the confirmation hearing issue or the voting issue seems to be meaningless. Based on the distribution of various seats, the ruling and opposition parties can hold confirmation hearings, vote, and eventually hand them over to the acting president, but at the end, the ruling and opposition parties do not properly agree on what will happen to the right to appoint. We have to negotiate and agree. Yesterday morning, floor leader Kwon Sung-dong said something that meant a reduction in the six-member system. As it happens, the previous procedures and parliamentary procedures have no meaning. So even if the National Assembly process is completed, I have nothing to say that I can't do it because the National Assembly process has become one-way traffic to the opposition party. So, we need to perfect the parliamentary process. This issue is due to the expiration of the terms of the two Constitutional Judges on April 18, so if all of these impeachment proceedings are completed and they reach a conclusion before then, but if they do not reach a conclusion by then, the Constitutional Court will be unable to complete the impeachment process. So, we need to clean up the issue of appointment authority for the three judges now and start the parliamentary process. But the hearing on the 23rd and 24th and the plenary session's vote on the 27th are not set up like that. This is one-sided by the opposition party, and the ruling and opposition parties must gather and agree on this. If the nine-member system does not work, it is necessary to create a seven-member system under the Constitutional Court Act. But aren't the ruling and opposition parties thinking completely different things and talking about different things and talking about different things?

[Anchor]
So, the power of the people is to make three people with one each from the ruling party and the opposition party, and one from the agreement. In the Democratic Party, two from the Democratic Party and one from the people have not been discussed so far.

[Nice]
That's why it was delayed. In fact, the president was impeached after being delayed by saying that there should be two Democrats. But now they are thinking about the power of the Democratic Party or the people or their political interests. To put it very simply, it seems that the power of the people or the president who is now impeached is calculating that six people will win. If only one of them refuses, the impeachment will be dismissed.

[Anchor]
Anyway, six people have to do it, whether it's six or nine people.

[Nice]
Since it has to be done by six people, the Democratic Party knows that, so they asked for nine people and already recommended two of them. It is also recommended by the power of the people. But I know there's such a calculation, but isn't this the third time we've been impeached? So there's a precedent. When impeaching the president of Park Geun Hye last time, the chief executive was overturned and he said, "The people should choose a judge from the power of the people," and the Democratic Party of Korea really cried out very much that the acting president should never appoint a constitutional judge. Looking at the data now, I argued that it would be almost unconstitutional if the acting president appointed it, regardless of whether it was Choo Mi-ae, Park Beom-gye, or Park Joo-min, but now that the situation is different, not only nine people from the Democratic Party have to do it, but it is up to the National Assembly to recommend it this time, so the acting president just needs to be appointed. Rep. Kwon Sung-dong said, "Five years ago, the Democratic Party of Korea finally said that it was not possible, so the president did not do it when the authority was maintained, but after the president was impeached, he was recommended by the chief justice of the Supreme Court during the presidential vacancy." It comes out like this.

[Anchor]
We're just talking about each other's advantage.

[Nice]
So did you know you'd be impeached so many times? And if they had made good precedents and followed the law, not their own political understanding, then this controversy would not have occurred. But I think the power of the people will continue to claim it.

[Anchor]
In the end, acting Han Deok-soo will accept this or not.

[nervous]
Now, this is supposed to flow according to the decision of acting Han Deok-soo. So Han Deok-soo has a lot of homework right now. What should we do about the issue of the right to reject the bill? And how will you appoint a constitutional judge? Also, what about the second bill veto issue, including the independent counsel issue?

[Anchor]
I see. Then you're saying that it's all woven together.

[nervous]
Since the whole thing is intertwined, it's national power and we're talking about the exact opposite of the Democratic Party, so in the end, acting Han Deok-soo will probably argue about his own advantages and disadvantages.

[Anchor]
Then we'll listen to a recording and continue with that. As Representative Shin said, the Democratic Party of Korea has also pressured acting representative Han Deok-soo, who is considering vetoing six issues. Let's listen to the remarks of Supreme Council member Jeon Hyun-hee.

[Jeon Hyun-hee / Supreme Council member of the Democratic Party of Korea: I also warn Acting President Han Deok-soo. Cleaning is the duty of the cleaning agent. If you use your owner's stuff like your own, you become a thief. The power of the acting authority should be exercised within the scope of the consent of the National Assembly elected by the people. Six bills, including the Grain Management Act, the Insurrection Special Prosecutor Act, and the Kim Gun-hee Special Prosecutor Act, follow the people's orders. The exercise of the veto is overpowered. ]

[Anchor]
Cleaning is the duty of a cleaning agent. It was a very harsh remark. Anyway, an extraordinary cabinet meeting will be held on these six issues tomorrow, and the issue is whether or not acting Han Deok-soo will veto them. Representative Shin said, "This is all intertwined with the judges of the Constitutional Court in front of you anyway.

[nervous]
It's all woven together. The three things are intertwined right now. In addition to that, we're talking about the extra budget, so I think there are four together. If you look at it, they tell you to do something positively and don't do something positively. In addition, the National Power Party and the Democratic Party made the opposite order, so it is probably very difficult to organize. Is it advantageous or disadvantageous for Han to be impeached if he thinks he will be criticized even if he goes here or there. I think they're probably pondering this. So I think it will be a very important barometer for how to conclude at tomorrow's extraordinary state council meeting. Han is not a bureaucrat who has expressed his belief so far. He was a person who always hid his beliefs and looked at the will of his superiors a lot, but now that the superiors are gone, he has no choice but to make a lonely decision of his lifetime. Now, even if he is impeached, will he go this way? Tomorrow will be one of the most important days because we are at the crossroads of whether it is right to follow the will of the National Power Party.

[Anchor]
So, what I'm saying now is not just talking about six issues tomorrow, but acting Han Deok-soo said he will consider the independent counsel law for rebellion, the independent counsel law for Kim Gun-hee, and the appointment of a constitutional judge as mentioned earlier.

[Nice]
I can't help but warn that these raw, quite rude stories about the separation of powers, the acting president, and the acting president should clean up under a liberal democratic system, may serve as an excuse to justify some of the arguments of some conservatives who opposed impeachment during the impeachment process. Prime Minister Han Duck-soo is likely to attempt another impeachment if the DP does not do what it wants, and if such a situation arrives, it will be a great headwind for the DP. Acting President Han Deok-soo said, "As an acting president, do your best for the nation. Especially the grain management method. He emphasizes that he should not become an acting president who is swayed by the political interests of the Democratic Party of Korea, which he refused when he was prime minister and related to national finance.

[Anchor]
In the case of the grain management law, the right to veto was exercised three times. Let's look at one last thing. Cho Kuk, former leader of the Cho Kuk Innovation Party, is currently being held in Seoul Detention Center. I sent you a prison message a day after I was imprisoned. As you can see, everything is strange and uncomfortable compared to the outside. We talked about dragonflies. I think I went to bed because of the draft. Can you show us the next page? However, in this situation, I reflected on every moment, including the struggle for impeachment of President Yoon. The wave of cheering sticks that filled Yeouido seems to be unforgettable for the rest of my life. I sent a prison message about this. Let's listen to them briefly. What did you think?

[Nice]
You didn't do an independence movement, did you? In addition, the cheering stick that filled Yeouido is probably a public warning against President Yoon Suk Yeol's reckless declaration of emergency martial law. Now, I believe that the people are not only restricting the freedom of the people in this way, but at least if they are the leaders of the country, they will be seeking politicians who are free from crime and who really help the people.

[Anchor]
Representative Shin.

[nervous]
I don't think it's an unexpected message. I think it's just a thank you after reading the prison book. I don't think there's much message in particular. There don't seem to be many people who will be curious about this, and the current situation is so loud and noisy that every minute and every second is changing, so I don't know what kind of inspiration or impression this can give.

[Anchor]
I see. So far, I have been with former Saenuri Party member Chung Ok-im and former new future member Shin Kyung-min. Thank you.