[Politics ON] Yeo, group chat room, Uprising recording...Gallup "Biggest gap between the two parties"

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■ Starring: Lawyer Yeo Sang-won, political commentator Kim Sang-il

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[Anchor]
Since the martial law incident, the political situation has continued to be chaotic due to the investigation of President Yoon, the impeachment trial, and the ruling party's internal strife. Even if you go to the presidential election, the composition of the presidential election is fluctuating. Let's get started [politics on] looking at the outside and the inside of politics. Today, I will solve it with lawyer Yeo Sang-won and political critic Kim Sang-il. Please come in. Hello. Seok Dong-hyun, the lawyer for President Yoon Suk Yeol, held a press conference yesterday. The allegations have been completely denied. In this regard, the Democratic Party of Korea criticized intensely, such as sophistry and nonsense, and former lawmaker Geum Tae-seop even claimed that it was a pro-Wi coup. Let's listen to it for ourselves.

[Geum Tae-seop / Lawyer (SBS Radio's 'Kim Tae-hyun's Political Show'): A pro-wie coup is originally held by the side in power. Even if you take power, this is a democratic country according to constitutional procedures. If you get rid of the National Assembly and, so to speak, suspend the power of the judiciary, that's civil war. Also, there was a lot of talk in the early days about not being a crime of rebellion, but what kind of riot is this, what kind of rebellion is two hours? What if the army broke through the parliament by mobilizing the army in the world and it's not a civil war? It's just a rebellion in a front-line unit, a unit in a province, a front, or something like that, even if the commander of the unit revolts. ]

[Anchor]
President Yoon's lawyer said yesterday that he did not take out the arrest body and claimed that both martial law was declared and lifted legally. He claimed that he couldn't be guilty of rebellion. How did lawyer Yeo Sang-won hear it as a lawyer?

[Yeo Sangwon]
I heard about lawmaker Geum Tae-seop a while ago, but the discussion itself keeps getting confused. So, it's a separate matter of whether the unconstitutionality, illegality, and rebellion of declaring martial law are established. As I have said several times here, the declaration of martial law is almost 99% illegal and unconstitutional. President Yoon Suk Yeol talks about his motives and later about lawyer Seok Dong-hyun, but it's a two-hour long, but that's not a two-hour martial law declaration, but it's necessary to discuss the issue as a civil war. But former lawmaker Geum Tae-seop. He got rid of the National Assembly now. From what I heard earlier. However, President Yoon Suk Yeol said that he would suspend the function of the National Assembly, not eliminate the National Assembly. Of course, that does not mean that unconstitutionality and illegality will disappear. But then the army goes in and this is not a civil war, what is it? That's what happened. There is little objection to this being an abuse of authority. by mobilizing soldiers Why are soldiers not the institutions that enforce this unconstitutional and illegal martial law? However, the soldiers were forced to go in and break the window by order. This part, apart from the unconstitutional and illegal martial law, is a completely separate question of whether it is a civil war. As I have said several times, a rebellion should be rioted for the purpose of repenting the country or disrupting the national constitution, which is a disturbance that harms the tranquility of a province and cannot be recovered by ordinary security power is called a riot.

[Anchor]
But the whole nation watched the situation through TV. There were many people who felt anxious.

[Yeo Sangwon]
However, it is another matter that the psychological anxiety and the real security is completely broken and this is not recoverable. Because about the president's martial law, I don't know what this is, but there is an opposition party where the National Assembly has a majority seat. I wasn't that anxious. I don't know if I'm saying that because of the result. So, as we proceed with all the discussions under the premise that everything will be a crime of rebellion now, the discussion will no longer proceed and legal issues will continue, but I think we should continue the discussion separately from the unconstitutional, illegal martial law and civil war.

[Anchor]
I see. Then I'll ask you one more question. Lawyer Seok Dong-hyun said he didn't take out the arrest. However, according to the testimony of the officials, President Yoon talked on a non-phonic phone in the testimony. He also used the expression to drag him down.

[Yeo Sangwon]
So, what do you think about the defendant, the suspect is the president? And the soldiers, the commanders, the reference or the conspiracy, the words in this case are now in the opposite direction. Of course, the words of the soldiers now are persuasive.

[Anchor]
Military, police and NIS officials.

[Yeo Sangwon]
There is a possibility that it is correct, but this is not a statement from the trial court, but it happened before the trial was made outside, so you said there was evidence later, a secret phone. You have to tell me after it is revealed that you are forensics of a non-phonic phone.

[Anchor]
Are you saying that you're a judge and you have to go through it in court?

[Yeo Sangwon]
There is a possibility as a lawyer's conscience, but you'll know that only when you go to trial later. You know, lawyer Seok Dong-hyun, of course, is a one-sided argument from one side. But it's not necessarily wrong, it's not.

[Anchor]
Right now, we're talking about the officials, Commander Kwak Jong-geun, Commander Yeo In-hyeong, and Director Jo Ji-ho. President Yoon personally called Bihwa phone and said such things. Take this opportunity. I'm telling you to break down the door and pull out the personnel. The arrest list is usually people the president has referred to as having a problem. Most of these testimonies were given in the National Assembly, and they also made statements in prosecution and police investigations. But all these statements should be considered in court eventually?

[Yeo Sangwon]
If prosecuted, I think it should be considered. I think there's a lot of possibility.

[Anchor]
I see. Critic Kim Sang-il recently formed a team of lawyers for President Yoon, and lawyer Seok Dong-hyun held his second press conference yesterday. What kind of thoughts are they making while continuing to hold press conferences?

[Kim Sang Il]
First of all, there are about two things. Basically, it seems that there is an intention to unite the supporters so that public opinion does not flow too far to one side. And I think the intention of gathering supporters is not just to rally, but to instigate them to demonstrate or express their position. I will endure confusion and conflict in society for myself considerably. He looks very irresponsible. Second, former Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun appeared to cooperate with the investigation. He made a statement and then said he would take responsibility without participating in the warrant review. But since the president made his remarks through a statement, it became a guideline and I'm not going to say anything beyond that. That's how I feel. What is the current situation? And as I said at the time, it's shown that you keep trying to enter guidelines to the suspects, you're trying to spread them. The lawyer mentioned the physical scope when defining riots a while ago, but I disagree about whether we should only consider the physical scope. Because the National Assembly is not one region, it's the whole country. The National Assembly may be physically less than one area.

[Anchor]
It's a representative organization that represents the people, and a representative organization is a place where all members of the National Assembly gather.

[Kim Sang Il]
It's all over the country. And in terms of authority, there is a functional thing that almost outperforms the authority and function of the country. So I wonder if it's right to see it only in the physical range. In the Constitutional Court, I think this was actually about suspending or distorting some of the constitutional functions at will.The military is about protecting the country. I don't come here to do something like fat. It was illegally mobilized, which I think is a riot in itself.

[Anchor]
But the Democratic Party is showing it now. I'm the spokesperson for Kim Sung-hoe. He said he would review the charges against lawyer Seok for propaganda.

[Yeo Sangwon]
But let me tell you that. There can be enough opposition to lawyer Seok's words. Given the feelings of the people now. However, it is an instigation to make lawyer Seok say that now. Does that mean that there could be a civil war in the future? It's instigation right now. So, this is a matter of freedom of expression on a matter, and this is a matter of which lawyer Seok Dong-hyun said this, so who would listen to that and revolt? So, on the issue of freedom of expression, which the Democratic Party of Korea always values, I think there is no law at all, like the Gwangju Democratic Movement, right? If you say anything else about the Gwangju democratization movement, you will be punished. I don't know if it's that bad, but now it's a civil war against any president's actions, no, it's not a civil war, many legal professionals say, in addition to lawyer Seok Dong-hyun. So all of them are guilty of inciting rebellion? So now, the Democratic Party of Korea is in the frame of everything, because the people are shocked when it comes to civil war. If the incumbent president is going to wage a civil war. It's very rude, but I think the Democratic Party of Korea enjoyed it. As a result, everything is going to a civil war right now. So what is the difference in importance between freedom of expression and incitement of civil war? To see this at the same time, the Democratic Party of Korea can refute it if lawyer Seok Dong-hyun is not right. I will accuse you of rebellion, for sedition. This is a step too far, I see it that way.

[Anchor]
How do you see it? Lawyer Seok Dong-hyun, who is currently helping President Yoon Suk Yeol, is defending President Yoon without taking over. Officials of the People's Power, who say that there has been no civil war, will also consider prosecuting officials of the People's Power, who say that there has been no civil war.

[Kim Sang Il]
I think I'm overpaid. As I said earlier, I think you can criticize it as really irresponsible and brazen, inciting the people for the benefit of your side. It's quite a dictatorial idea to say that you can't admit different opinions or different arguments at all. And anyway, even those who are guilty have the right to defend themselves. However, it is not right to call the effort to defend oneself through other arguments before the crime is confirmed. In my opinion, CEO Lee Jae-myung has been under investigation. At the same time, I think if we repeat what we said on the Democratic Party side, there will be things that can be said to be a very unreasonable accusation. So it's too much to see all the world's work only from my point of view. Then I think it becomes difficult to get the support of the middle class.

[Yeo Sangwon]
Now lawyer Seok is defending without taking over a lawyer. What makes no sense is that if a lawyer does not take over and defends it, he or she can't plead at all without consulting or taking it to court. Lawyer Seok Dong-hyun is not saying he will plead in court, but he is just saying the position of President Yoon Suk Yeol. This is not the role of a lawyer. I think this part has gone too far because it just serves as a natural person.

[Anchor]
Thank you. In the midst of this, it is not easy to elect the emergency committee chairman. I don't know if it can be decided early next week, but traffic between senior lawmakers has not been cleared. So, re-election, third, and fourth term, we collect opinions for each player. That's why it's said to end the appointment. In this regard, we will continue our conversation after hearing the voices of former lawmaker Kim Sung-tae and former Supreme Council member Kim Jae-won.

[Kim Sung-tae / All People's Power (CBS Radio 'Kim Hyun-jung's News Show'): Regardless of how you greet people who know the power of the people from the outside, who can talk about democracy on the damage of democracy, day and night. You have to invite him even if you're invited to Samgo. It's not like some people have to go up on the operating table and others don't. So, in order to remove cancer lumps and festering areas with tweezers so boldly and accurately, such surgical surgeon must be bold. ]

[Kim Jae-won / YTN Radio 'News Fighting') : It meant whether to separate the floor leader and the emergency committee chairman or whether one person should take charge of the party quickly because it is a short period of time. Would our party be in such a crisis if there was someone who was innovative, stable, capable, harmonious, young, and supported in the metropolitan area? I think it would be appropriate to select someone who can reduce the risk even if they take charge of the current situation for a while and operate it. ]

[Anchor]
The power of the people is the fifth system of the emergency committee since Yoon Suk Yeol took power, and there is a debate over who the emergency committee chairman will be now. The floor leader and the emergency committee chairman should be separated. There are many opinions that floor leader Kwon Sung-dong should take charge of it at the same time, so how do you see the internal strife of the people?

[Kim Sang Il]
First of all, Rep. Kim Jae-won said the right thing for the first time in a long time, and I think it's innovative, stable, capable, harmonious, young, and metropolitan area. He said there's no one like this. That's right. There is no one like this, in the power of the people. What made you do that? Isn't it because it's all made up of people who obey absolute power and try to fawn over it? Then, the emergency committee should be an emergency committee to solve the problem that Rep. Kim Jae-won mentioned. If we don't have the ability to solve it, shouldn't we be an emergency committee to create a foundation to solve it? But I still don't think I'm going to do that. That's the problem. If you have a heart, you can go step by step, step by step. If you can't go up 100 steps at once. But I don't even want to go up the stairs.

[Anchor]
But there are some senior lawmakers who are going up for hippopotamus right now. There are Rep. Na Kyung-won, Rep. Kwon Sung-dong, Rep. Kwon Young-se, Rep. Joo Ho-young, and former Minister Won Hee-ryong, but they are competing with each other.

[Kim Sang Il]
So you can see a lot of people thinking around their power right now. That's the case with all the politicians now. Where are you looking? So, I think that only their power is important, but they are not thinking about how to represent the people's position or how to represent the people's situation in the position of representation of the people.

[Anchor]
Do you think it's difficult for outsiders to come from outside?

[Kim Sang Il] It's
. But as I told you earlier, it's annoying and hard to go up the stairs. Don't you think that you won't go up at all? If you're willing to go up the stairs, you can bring someone like that with the same mind and push up. Even if it's a little harder.

[Anchor]
Former lawmaker Kim Sung-tae said that he should bring him over even if he was afraid of Samgo.

[Yeo Sangwon]
The power of the people is still in a state of anomics right now. So it's in a state of confusion. The president was impeached and now the party's approval rating is completely just going to the ground. Here, I think we need to decide the direction. Are you going to protect the president of Yoon Suk Yeol, or make an image with the people's power to short-circuit that part and reach out to the people in the next presidential election? We'll have a public opinion poll later.Ma is difficult, but he has to decide on this direction, and now he has to head the emergency committee, but in the case of Kwon Sung-dong, the floor leader of the People's Power, doesn't he call it pro-yoon?

Even though it's Mulyoon. In this state, it's hard to protect the president of Yoon Suk Yeol and then raise the party's approval rating, which has fallen now, because I'm trying to do everything like this. So in my opinion, let's leave this impeachment to the president if the power of the people is to be revived now. The president himself is a legal expert, so leave it to him and the power of the people is, I think. It's not important whether it's within or outside the party, but now, we should bring someone who can say things straight outside the party and apologize to the people for the president's situation and show that the party is all-in for the people's livelihood and takes care of the people's livelihood. If he says he will do both now, isn't Kwon Young-se, who was mentioned earlier in the party, also on the pro-Yoon side? If you do this, you can't make porridge or rice.

[Anchor]
Former lawmaker Kim Sung-tae said that he needs an external surgeon who can put it on the people's power operating table, and lawmaker Cho Kyung-tae said that the person who will take the lead in separating from the president should be the chairman of the emergency committee. What do you think?

[Kim Sang Il]
The first thing the people should do now is how to post-process the civil war. This is the most important thing. The people are suffering tremendous damage. If this is not post-treated, people's livelihoods will not be restored. What's the exchange rate now? And everyone says it will go up to 1,500 won now. Then who's going to bear all the burden? All domestic consumers will be able to afford it.

[Anchor]
The possibility of prices rising increases.

[Kim Sang Il]
Sure. And money doesn't go around. Nevertheless, domestic demand is stagnating. Where do all these things come from? There are no tourists coming from abroad. And we don't have a company dinner at the end of the year. Whose responsibility is this? It's all happened because of the civil war. Then, basically, the people's power should think about how to deal with this and how to take responsibility as a person in the same group, even though they didn't generate it themselves, but I don't have that thought, and what if this situation takes away or undermines my power at all? I think it's really pathetic to see him struggling with this and I think he's really out of his mind.

[Anchor]
I see. Let's talk a little more about the power of the people. At the time of the declaration of the emergency martial law on the 3rd, not only the group message rooms of the members of the People's Power, but also the audio recording of the general meeting of the lawmakers was released after the second impeachment bill was passed on the 14th. Let's hear the voice of Rep. Kim Sang-wook.

[Kim Sang-wook/CBS Radio 'Kim Hyun-jung's News Show'] I think I left a telegram like that after arriving at the National Assembly, but rather than saying long, I can't agree with this emergency decree, it's wrong, and if I don't stop it now, I'm the sinner of history. I think I left that expression. These days, the word search appears too often. If you don't like it a little bit, you'll find out who voted for impeachment, stand up and say the pros and cons one by one. I'm looking for it, I'm looking for it. The truth is, let's find out what's in our floor, let's find out, let's find an insurrection. I think this is a very totalitarian idea in itself. ]

[Anchor]
I think the internal situation of the people's power is serious right now. Looking at it, the group chat room within the ruling party has been released, and all the recordings of what happened at the parliamentary assembly before representative Han Dong-hoon stepped down have been released. I also talk to CEO Han Dong-hoon about "Dol-Ai."

[Yeo Sangwon]
The people's power has been divided in this impeachment, and they are still discussing it. As I said earlier, the power of the people has yet to come to their senses. I think it's such a representative proof. As Rep. Kim Sang-wook said earlier, regardless of the ruling and opposition parties in Korea, the party should have a wrong policy, prevent all voices of opposition, and reflect on what it did wrong. There will be people who agree with this impeachment, and there will be people who oppose it, and there will be lawmakers. Just because you approved of it, you criticize it now, find it out, and say so as if you will be disadvantaged in the next nomination. It's not a democratic party, it's called a provincial party. That's the only role I can play. As I said, that's not important now, and I think the public will not forgive me at all if I show that the power of the people can reach out to the people even in this difficult environment by quickly getting out of the impeachment issue and taking care of some people's livelihoods.

[Anchor]
Critic Kim Sang-il said, "The current situation within the People's Power Party. After the group chat room was released, they said they were looking for it, and the stories that went back and forth in the Uichong came out in the Uichong. How did you see it?

[Kim Sang Il]
First of all, I'm trying to find out, and this is what the system does, so you can freely do with the system. That means it's not a rule of law, it's a man who practices an artificial state. One form of arbitrary state is dictatorship, monarchy, monarchy. They talk as if they could become monarchs or kings, so I think they are not suitable as public figures or public officials in the rule of law. And this is what I think about the part where the recording is known. It's very important. The people are curious about whether the ruling party cooperated with the president's office in this civil war. So it was revealed because we covered it with the right to know, right? Then, whether to view this as a basic right called privacy, which is the basic right of the people, or in terms of the people's right to know, we need to compare this. However, the stronger the power, the greater the power, the more people it affects, and the stronger the power and the more people it affects, the more the scope of personal information will be canceled. Then, I personally think it makes more sense to see this as a reduced scope of personal information.

[Anchor]
Rep. Lee Cheol-kyu said, "It would be astonishing to record and disclose private discussions of lawmakers. It is a malicious editing of the content to demonize a specific group. If you say that specific group, you're talking about pro-Yoon-gye. How did you see it?

[Yeo Sangwon]
Our critic Kim Sang-il said well, but this is not a matter of privacy. If a member of the National Assembly has a strong power, he or she is obliged to give up the privacy that follows. So if you are a public figure, you have to take responsibility for anything you say when it is announced, and the people have the right to know. Because when you give lawmakers so much privilege and so much, you have to be transparent about what you do. Otherwise, like a regular sign, if people like us are found to have talked in secret, it's a privacy violation. So with this, as Rep. Lee Chul-kyu said, he's doing that. It comes from a lack of public consciousness.

[Anchor]
Thank you. The internal situation of the people's power is very complicated. Indeed, we are most interested in the new emergency chairman. While the power of the people has recently suffered such internal strife, the approval rating has declined significantly. Shall we take a look at the Gallup Survey today? According to today's People's Power Gallup survey, the public's power approval rating is 24 percent, and the Democratic Party of Korea is 48 percent, with a gap of 24 percentage points between the two parties. Should we continue to see future political leaders? Representative Lee Jae-myung is 37%, representative Han Dong-hoon is 5%, mayor Hong Joon Pyo is 5%, representative of Cho Kuk is 3%, mayor Oh Se-hoon is 2%, lawmaker Kim Moon-soo, Lee Joon-seok, and Yoo Seung Min are 1%, and chairman Woo Won-sik is 1%. How do you feel when you see it? CEO Lee Jae-myung came out to 37%. In the ruling party, representative Han Dong-hoon has been the highest in the ruling party, but he became the same as the mayor of Hong Joon Pyo. 5%, 5%. It feels a little more dispersed. How do you want me to interpret it?

[Kim Sang Il]
I think it's best to interpret red and blue together, but in the past, if you combine red, it's close to 37%. It came out to be close to 30%. So, when all the candidates are combined, about 30% should come out, but as you can see, it's less than 20% in total. What are you talking about? The power of the people is being turned away by the people. And now, the people are increasingly feeling the need for a judgment on their unwillingness to take responsibility for the serious situation of civil war. Then no one will give support to the referee. So, I think the power of the people should take that seriously, and the need for them to judge themselves and the people to judge them is increasing. Recognize that part, I want to say this.

[Anchor]
Looking at it, the public's support rate is 24% and the Democratic Party's support rate is 48%. This is said to be the biggest gap between the two parties, the Gallup Survey. How did you see it?

[Yeo Sangwon]
In the current situation, it is only natural that the president is impeached and the ruling party in which the president is involved becomes like that. However, conservatives or moderate conservatives are not withdrawing support for the power of the people now, but they are in a state of chaos now, and there is also chaos.

[Anchor]
It's not that the approval rating has fallen significantly, it's the same. 24% and 24% are the same, the approval rating is the same.

[Yeo Sangwon]
So the exact approval rating will come out after this is sorted out now. For a considerable period of time, as critic Kim Sang-il said earlier, investigations into the impeachment trial and rebellion should be organized, but supporters of the people's power are losing their way. In short, I always voted in the presidential election in 2017, the presidential election. I didn't want to vote then. There's no one to support. Is this called cynicism about politics? I think supporters of the people's power are now in political cynicism. So, as I said earlier, only when this cynicism is cleared up will the approval rating come out, and in the current state, CEO Lee Jae-myung once narrowed the gap to 3% with former CEO Han Dong-hoon. Hasn't CEO Han Dong-hoon already resigned from the political arena? Then, the mayor of Hong Joon Pyo appeared in a monthly interview with Chosun today, but he seemed to have even announced his candidacy. So 5% came out, but that's still hypothetical, so I see it like this.

[Anchor]
Lee Jae-myung's approval rating rose 8 percentage points after the declaration of emergency martial law.

[Kim Sang Il]
This is what you have to see over there. The names of the existing characters have disappeared. What that is is is that the rigid supporters are overrepresented, and the expressions of intentions of people who make general or passive expressions are underrepresented. To show this, all the usual names get out. And in the case of CEO Han Dong-hoon, it is significantly reduced. The reason for that is that there must have been a relatively large number of general and passive people who supported CEO Han Dong-hoon. However, when the two sides collide greatly and there is a big issue, it shows that supporters other than the rigid supporters are more likely to express their opinions relatively passively or leave.

[Anchor]
In a monthly interview with Chosun, the mayor of Hong Joon Pyo virtually made his presidential bid official. Representative Lee Jae-myung, it is ridiculous to be president. I said, "How do you make criminals president?" What do you think of the mayor of Hong Joon Pyo?

[Yeo Sangwon]
I saw it today, but I think it's really inappropriate. It's because Han Dong-hoon, the representative of the people's power, is falling and he wants to take advantage of this and come forward as a presidential candidate. As I said earlier, it's not about whether the power of the people now occupies the presidency or not. It is important to settle the party and accept the hearts of the people who have left again. Now, I think the mayor of Hong Joon Pyo, in fact, actively supported President Yoon Suk Yeol as soon as this administration was launched. The mayor of Hong Joon Pyo. Even though he is constantly in Daegu, he keeps commenting on central politics, saying that President Yoon Suk Yeol is good at it, and those who criticize President Yoon Suk Yeol are wrong. That is why I think Mayor Hong Joon Pyo should reflect on what he is taking now.

Although it is not directly related to martial law, even if you are running for president, aren't you the mayor of Daegu now? We don't know when the next presidential election will be held, but it's right to step up and talk about the presidential election, as if the Daegu city job is recommended. That's what he said. Daegu City said in this interview that I would lose the presidential election and challenge the presidential election once again based on Daegu City. So, I don't care who the mayor of Hong Joon Pyo is running for president, but when I'm running for president and when someone like the mayor of Hong Joon Pyo comes forward...

[Anchor]
The interview was inappropriate at this point.

[Yeo Sangwon]
I can do an interview, but I have to say that I'm responsible for this incident.

[Kim Sang Il]
That's typically the behavior of people who are greedy to take the hard-line supporters in a crisis. You saw it in the Democratic Party. When CEO Lee Jae-myung came out in the first trial, there were people who strongly said, "I'm next." It's the same thing. He's showing his constant ugly greed for his power, in my opinion. As I said before, those who are in that position can be treated and respected only when they think about the future of the party, then the people, and the future of the country to a certain extent. But just as the person who says he/she has been in politics for a long time knows everything, what the person who always talks about knows is how to speak and move toward his/her power and greed. If you only know that, do you think you won't see that in the eyes of the people? That's what a naked king looks like.

[Anchor]
Thank you. The mayor of Hong Joon Pyo talked about a lot. In fact, it was interpreted that he made his presidential bid official. Let's talk more about this. This time, let's talk more about Lee Jae-myung. Acting President Han Deok-soo has effectively returned six controversial bills, including the Grain Act, to the National Assembly. It was a veto. Representative Lee Jae-myung raised the level of criticism today, saying that the acting authority is overstepping its veto power. I'll listen to it myself.

[Lee Jae-myung / Democratic Party leader: Acting President Han Deok-soo is vetoing the bill. In other words, President Yoon Suk Yeol has repeatedly ignored the legislative power of the National Assembly. I would like to say that I am very sorry that the damage to the separation of powers by the government continues. The will of the people for violating the Constitution and martial law is more severe than ever. I hope that the acting president will no longer go against the will of the people. I hope that the independent counsel law will be quickly promulgated according to the will of the people. ]

[Anchor]
If Representative Lee Jae-myung and acting Han do not appoint a constitutional judge. There is still a question of whether to appoint three constitutional judges, after a hearing. He strongly criticized it as an act of rebellion.

[Yeo Sangwon]
I'm guilty of rebellion earlier. Everything is going to the frame of rebellion. Although he is now acting as an acting president, the president's veto power is a constitutional authority. There's also a reason to exercise this. Except for the rest of the independent counsel law, there are many issues that are very objectionable among the people and businessmen. subject to disagreement Why does the acting authority's veto on this harm the separation of powers? Rather, if the National Assembly legislates, the president has to pass it without any veto, is it right for the separation of powers? Rather, I think it's an act that directly harms the separation of powers. So I just talked about the appointment of a judge. If you don't do that, it's a crime of rebellion, but I can't understand why it's a crime of rebellion with my stupid head. However, the appointment of constitutional judges is not the status quo or the president appoints three people recommended by the National Assembly, so acting Han Deok-soo seems to be right to appoint them.

Then, there are two independent counsel laws. Among them, there are two, one for rebellion and the other for Mrs. Kim, and I think it's better to do the independent counsel law for rebellion quickly. Because the investigation is now divided into three parts, it is rather confusing, so if it becomes a special prosecutor law, all of them will be gathered as special prosecutors. Then, it is consistent, and the Kim Gun-hee Special Prosecutor Act seems to be a big problem to say that it rejects the Kim Gun-hee Special Prosecutor Act in the current atmosphere, but the clause itself contains more toxic provisions than before. So, I'm not against the special prosecution of Kim Gun-hee, but I should exclude the toxic clause. However, if acting Han Deok-soo exercises his veto power, he will be impeached, so shouldn't that be what representative Lee Jae-myung should be impeached? Fix the clause, get rid of the toxin clause and accept it.

[Anchor]
I see. In the case of acting Han Deok-soo, the Democratic Party of Korea reserved impeachment for now, right? What do you think will happen? [Kim Sang-il] For me, acting Han Deok-soo is acting as the president. I'm acting on behalf of my authority, so I have all the legal authority. What's the problem? It should be quite restrained because it is not supported by legitimacy and democratic legitimacy. But what that moderation means is that you have to maintain the status quo. What is status quo is basically not to cause political power to be biased to one side or to cause huge structural changes in daily administration. That level of authority is not supported in terms of legitimacy or legitimacy.

Second, in the case of emergency response, it is inevitable. For example, North Korea hits and comes down. What do you do? It's urgent. And there was a big natural disaster. It's very urgent. I can't help but not do it. Responding to such an urgent situation is inevitable. And third, major and important gaps should be supplemented. It's like this. I don't think you should exercise your veto power or anything else. However, in the case of the six bills now, it may cause a major structural change in the authority of the executive and legislative branches. That is why such a decision cannot be made by the acting president. That's why I think I can veto it. However, in the case of the independent counsel for civil war and the independent counsel for Kim Gun-hee, it has been found to some extent that the ruling party has made wrong political judgments.

And I'm not sure about the toxic clause that our lawyer is talking about, but it's hard for me to say that it's such a toxic clause because the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court is supposed to draft the special prosecutor Kim Gun-hee. Because I've been in practice for a long time, and the draft defines almost 80 to 90% of the tracks. It's a non-earth right, but even if you have a non-earth right, you can't do it with someone that suits the taste of the Democratic Party. How do you do that when the draft picker doesn't do that? It's just that we're criticizing someone who really can't do this, but if you do it a lot, you'll be politically criticized again. So that doesn't make sense.

And in terms of filling major and important gaps, the justice of the Constitutional Court should make an appointment. Why? The six-member system is working now in a disposable situation. Disposition itself is a temporary act, but returning to this temporary act determines this important impeachment, the impeachment of the president? It doesn't make sense. So I think it's right to make this as many as eight people.

[Anchor]
I see. That's all for today's political issue. I pointed it out with lawyer Chung Sang-won and political critic Kim Sang-il. Thank you very much. Thank you.