[YTN radio news fighting]
□ Broadcasting: FM 94.5 (07:15-09:00)
□ Broadcast date and time: December 23, 2024 (Monday)
□ Host: Kim Woo-sung PD
□ Castor: Lee Joon-seok, member of the New Reform Party
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◆ Producer Kim Woo-sung (hereinafter referred to as Kim Woo-sung): Miracle of Christmas. I told you from the opening that the current situation in Korea will happen to the political circle. It may be possible if various stories are gathered. Just like a carol song stopped the war. We will hear various voices today, but we are now at the studio of Lee Joon-seok, a member of the New Reform Party. Please come in.
◇ Rep. Lee Jun-seok of the New Reform Party (hereinafter referred to as Lee Jun-seok): Yes, hello.
◆ Kim Woo-sung: Before we talk about the various situations, I think Lee Jun-seok came to YTN radio for the first time since martial law and the resolution of the impeachment motion. If you look at the situation of the people's power, CEO Han Dong-hoon eventually resigned. Looking at these processes, you also served as the leader of the People's Power Party. I think you must have had a different mind when looking at the situation.
◇ Lee Jun-seok: I left a message when Han Dong-hoon resigned. I think I had a similar perception of the problem, but the solution was a little different. But anyway, the result is not good right now. So I said that it's a bit deja vu. From the perspective of representative Han Dong-hoon, he has been running a lot over the past year since his retirement as the Minister of Justice. Compared to the race, the general election was also devastated, and the conflict with the president and the responsibility of the impeached party leader were great, so it was actually a period of one year without results. So CEO Han will need some time to reorganize. That's what I think.
◆ Kim Woo-sung: Representative Han Dong-hoon and Representative Kim Sang-wook have Ulsan districts. From the lifting of martial law and the resolution of the impeachment motion, many images of the two have actually been caught, but now they have fallen a little, but "Distancing from the asphalt right and the far right." The Yoon Suk Yeol is a traitor to conservatives every day, but the power of the people is flowing in a different atmosphere.
◇ Lee Jun-seok: I've been talking about that for three years. So, I've been talking about it for three years, and people in conservative circles criticized me for why Lee Jun-seok said that, but these days, I get a lot of calls. Many conservative elders and critics say sorry to me. What I overlooked when I warned about the dangers of President Yoon Suk Yeol. He also blamed himself a little for overlooking it too much and pushing it as a lump. I don't think it's a bad idea that such an atmosphere spreads to conservatives in general. That's what I think.
◆ Kim Woo-sung: We can take this opportunity to find new self-reflection or search. We'll interpret it like this. Perhaps that's why the power of the people is not finding the emergency committee chairman. I kept saying that it's tomorrow, but the announcement came out that it's tomorrow.
◇ Lee Jun-seok: It's clear what to do in common sense. Everyone seems to take it as a matter of death or life. In the case of those called Yoon nuclear officers, it is okay not to talk about President Yoon Suk Yeol's martial law, but to refer to them as de facto accomplices or helpers in all situations. Aren't they the ones who helped in kicking Lee Joon-seok out, and the president approached him ideologically and always helped him when talking about social division, starting with the issue of moving the statue of Hong Beom? In addition to that, it's also the case of the best disease. Colonel Park Jung-hoon, who is derived from him, will be investigated and tried soon, but is someone like Colonel Park Jung-hoon guilty? However, it was because the so-called Yoon nuclear officers provided support in the process of continuing such a trial. How can I choose an emergency committee chairman who won't dig into their responsibilities so that they don't take that responsibility?
◆ Kim Woo-sung: You just answered why you can't keep your distance from the emergency martial law or the investigation of civil war charges. Because these are situations, we need to see the results of the investigation first. Allegations of rebellion. In addition, the impeachment motion needs to be reviewed by the Constitutional Court, but they are openly talking about early presidential elections and are still in a one-pole system. Representative Lee Jae-myung is the sole leader, and even lawmaker Lee Joon-seok is listed, but the rest are in single digits. What do you think?
◇ Lee Jun-seok: I think we've experienced the impeachment presidential election once anyway, but the party that has been impeached starts at a very disadvantage. Later, candidate Hong Joon Pyo recovered to the second place as a candidate of the Liberty Korea Party with a 20% approval rating, but if you look at the early election campaign at that time. There were many cases in which polls showed 13% and 12%. Therefore, at that time, the Liberty Korea Party was reluctant to spend party expenses and had such an experience of holding elections in a very inferior situation. So, I have no choice but to hold an election in a situation where the impeachment presidential election is ultimately quite shrinking for the party responsible for impeachment. In addition, the file has not yet been confirmed as a candidate, so Mayor Hong Joon Pyo, Mayor Oh Se-hoon, and CEO Han Dong-hoon are separating and securing approval ratings, so I think it can be seen that there is no lump.
◆ [Kim Woo-sung] Yeah, that's what happened. The approval rating survey I mentioned now is based on the telephone interview survey of Gallup Korea from the 17th to the 19th. The survey showed that Lee Jae-myung of the Democratic Party has a 37 percent approval rating, Cho Kuk of the Cho Kuk Innovation Party has a 3 percent approval rating, and Lee Joon-seok of the New Reform Party has a 2 percent approval rating. This is a telephone interview survey of 1,000 people aged 18 or older. For more information, please refer to the website of the Central Election Public Opinion Review Committee. In this situation, CEO Lee Jae-myung's solo performance seems clear. Yet. What you said was also on the news, and if you say, "The garbage truck is coming and the excrement car is coming," both camps will be a little noisy. Who is the garbage truck and who is the excrement car?
◇ Of course, the garbage truck is what we're going through right now. This is a cliché. I didn't make this expression, but I talked about a idiomatic phrase. The situation of the Yoon Suk Yeol government is expressed as a garbage truck. I hope it's not the manure tea that comes next. So you have to be a better person, not a bad person. I said it like this, but I didn't specify anyone.
◆ Kim Woo-sung: Who didn't you say?
◇ Lee Joon-seok: At least someone who protects the Constitution and has this will should come. However, isn't CEO Lee Jae-myung trying to do bulletproof by delaying such things as refusing to receive documents to the court recently? The leader who follows the anti-constitutional president's martial law should at least be a person who is willing to abide by and defend the Constitution. I don't know why, but the most angry or most scratched people seem to be supporters of Lee Jae-myung. Rather than specifying representative Lee Jae-myung, I have comprehensively criticized those who are less willing to protect the constitution or delay the trial, but it seems that the most angry people are Lee Jae-myung's supporters.
◆ Kim Woo-sung: Yes, when I first express the situation of going to this idiomatic garbage truck and coming to the excrement truck, I never mentioned a specific person.
◇ Lee Jun-seok: But a lot of people seem to be associated with it.
◆ Kim Woo-sung: I think it's going to be a little ambiguous for the listeners whether you said it or not. In the past, the political phenomenon that often appeared in a tense confrontation or in a situation where the people could not make a choice is like the so-called "third zone theory." You'll also remember "Ahn Cheol Soo effect." He was also a politician who grew a lot at that time. What do you think? In this situation, is there a Lee Jun-seok effect like the 3rd Earth Theory and Ahn Cheol Soo effect? You just made your presidential bid official, right?
◇ Lee Jun-seok: I think if you look at the elections over the last few years. Few people have been elected in any election in the position of the three parties before grand slogans such as the Third Zone Theory.
◆ [Kim Woo-sung] In fact, after impeachment, the Bareun Party did.
◇ [Lee Jun-seok] That's right. So, since 2016, Lee Joon-seok is the only person in Dongtan who has been elected as a three-way player in the three-way structure without unification or anything like that. no matter how many times it is a parliamentary election So, in this unusual situation, when I win the election in Dongtan, and when our Dongtan voters believe in me, it's new. And most of all, he gave me support for the courage not to be incorporated into the bilateral structure when it's crucial. So, I think even if an early presidential election is held this time, if we approach it from a similar perspective, the answer will come out.
◆ Kim Woo-sung: Then it's a lot of courageous choices that don't belong to any camp, but when you look at a leader, many people talk about experience, weight, and scalability.
◇ [Lee Jun-seok] That's right. But the same thing is true. For example, for those who think they belonged to the conservative camp, Lee Jun-seok is also the only one who has experienced national election victories while serving as the party leader of a conservative party since President Park Geun Hye. So there's something called performance. It's important to have an experience of making a difference and winning something, but no one else has that experience. That's why I don't write that experience for myself, but I want to write my experience for the development of the Republic of Korea in the end, and just because I'm young doesn't mean I lack that experience. Just because you're old doesn't mean you have a lot of experience. The people who broke the Republic of Korea and the conservative camp now are all in their 60s and 70s, starting with the Yoon Suk Yeol of those born in 60.
◆ Kim Woo-sung: I think it would be good to understand this if you wish for the experience that Kim Young-sam and Kim Dae Jung started politics in their 30s and 40s and actually ran for president. But the situation is not easy. It's not an ordinary presidential election situation, it's an early presidential election, and the reason for the early presidential election is that emergency martial law and the investigation of civil war are intertwined. President Yoon Suk Yeol said, "I will confidently conduct the trial and investigation," but now he is not receiving the impeachment documents from the Constitutional Court itself. Rep. Cheon Ha-ram of the same party criticized a lot by writing "Bukkurae." What do you think of this situation? And there's also a saying that there's an alternative.
◇ Lee Jun-seok: Since Representative Cheon Ha-ram is a member of the impeachment prosecution of the National Assembly anyway, he seems to have strongly objected to the delay procedure of the trial of President Yoon Suk Yeol because he is working on it. What I have been saying for about three years is that what President Yoon Suk Yeol says should not be half believed, and I should never believe it. So, President Yoon Suk Yeol has become a common practice to talk about different things in front of me and the leader of the party who will come out in 100 years, and he criticized me by writing expletives. Isn't President Yoon Suk Yeol now trying to delay the process in front of the public? He's always like this. You shouldn't believe it.
◆ Kim Woo-sung: I can't believe it. Like this. So, places like the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit notified the second summons on Christmas 25th, but it didn't come out in the second summons, and now the Constitutional Court has decided to make a position today. I've been wondering what to do if I don't receive the documents continuously, so can compulsory procedures be carried out? What do you think?
◇ Lee Jun-seok: Let's say it was served because I don't think I can do it in the court over CEO Lee Jae-myung's refusal to receive documents related to the trial. In fact, CEO Lee Jae-myung is not someone whose residence is unknown. Lee Jae-myung's representative media also appeared. But only the documents couldn't be delivered. So, it is carried out in such a way that it is considered to have been delivered to the office of representative Lee Jae-myung of the National Assembly. I think the Constitutional Court should also enter into such a mandatory process. Everyone in the Republic of Korea knows where President Yoon Suk Yeol lives now. But does it make sense to refuse delivery? If this person says he's running away, he'd rather go around catching him, but he's in his house, so why can't the documents be served? I'm just wondering.
◆ [Kim Woosung] Okay. I think I need to talk about it because you mentioned it a little bit just now, but Lee Jae-myung is constantly being talked about even when it comes to lifting the emergency martial law and prosecuting the impeachment bill. Of course, it's because of the early presidential election problem, but the Democratic Party of Korea sometimes refutes, saying, "The investigation into the allegations of emergency martial law and rebellion is an investigation, and Chairman Lee Jae-myung is a representative and separate." in the Democratic Party
◇ Isn't that the trash car manure car theory that I was talking about? At least, I think a better politician than President Yoon Suk Yeol should lead the Republic of Korea next time. The worst part of President Yoon Suk Yeol is that when he demonizes someone as a lawyer, he makes the most of his power and skills, and it's time for him to be criticized unless he's in a defensive position. Of course, CEO Lee Jae-myung is also a lawyer, but if he shows the same behavior, he will be criticized equally. Don't try to get away with it. Let me tell you this.
◆ Kim Woo-sung: I think he emphasized the principle-level story of the credit applied to the two of us. There are a lot of things to say this time, but I think I have to say this, too. There was also worldwide media interest in the protest site. As the so-called K-pop culture overlapped, K-protest was also expressed. In addition, a rally against the impeachment of Gwanghwamun Boulevard was held in Gwanghwamun. It is also expressed as a right-wing rally mixed with religious circles, but women in their 20s participated in the cheering stick protests a lot, and the statistical survey shows that the proportion of women in their 20s and 30s is overwhelmingly high. How do you see it?
◇ Lee Joon-seok: First of all, I don't really mention it in the media, but 20% of men in their 20s are in the military now. That's why the number of men in their 20s is a little statistically small. However, even considering that, the gap between men and women is much larger than that. I don't think this is a bad phenomenon. Because it has always been recommended that women participate in politics around the world, and until now, these statistics have not been shown well in other countries. It's probably because the security situation in Korea is always a very good place in the world. That's why when I'm abroad, in fact, when I experience these protests and things like this, there are times when women have difficulty participating in protests or active political activities because of such anxiety about security situations. However, this is not the case in Korea. I think this is a good figure to brag about worldwide.
◆ Kim Woo-sung: Yes. The political structure on this is also because he has officially announced his presidential bid, so he should read the sentiment of the voters, but they are the ones who actively spoke out and came out to the square. Of course, you explained earlier that there were some people who couldn't come out because they had the military, but what political interpretation of that part?
◇ Lee Jun-seok: For me, politically, in the Yoon Suk Yeol government, if you look at the original composition of the supporters. The anti-Yoon Seok-yeol government tendency of women in their 20s and 30s was very strong. The things that actually come out and express them are, of course, cognitive, and that's the case in terms of statistics. On the other hand, the younger generation's political participation in Korea is expanding a lot since 2021. I think it's very positive.
◆ [Kim Woosung] Okay. What I said is based on the statistics of the living population of Seoul. On the 14th, women in their 20s accounted for the largest portion of the total assembly participants in Yeouido and women in their 70s in Gwanghwamun. There are only six justices in the Constitutional Court right now. Starting today, the special committee on personnel hearings began, and lawmaker Park Ji-won came to our studio and told us about the situation himself. Floor leader Kwon Sung-dong said, "The role of the head of administration and the role of the head of state are divided, but the appointment of a justice of the Constitutional Court should not be done by an acting president because it is the domain of the head of state," and the Democratic Party of Korea is in a situation like, "We will just push ahead." How should I solve it?
◇ Lee Jun-seok: I think the power of the people is talking nonsense. For example, it's an assumption. It shouldn't happen, but if Kim Jong-un invades the Republic of Korea with a strange idea in North Korea tomorrow. Take a Invasion from North Korea. Then we have to fight the war centered on acting Han Deok-soo. It serves as the head of state and commander-in-chief.
◆ Kim Woo-sung: If there is a war tomorrow, the suspended president of Yoon Suk Yeol cannot lead the war.
◇ You can't do that. So, I think that this kind of acting authority is what we should see as actually delegating all the powers of the president. If it is the logic of the people's power, Han Deok-soo and others cannot appoint it as a constitutional court. If so, can the war be led? Then, should the Republic of Korea raise its hand in the event of a Invasion from North Korea and then greet the North Korean military? Am I supposed to be in charge of something like this or should the president of Yoon Suk Yeol lead? I'd like to make a cold judgment. It's not like I'm going to take a daily action, but in the end, I have to respond in a way that fits the logic of the big frame, but it's too bad. Acting Han Deok-soo, of course, has the right and authority to appoint and exercise it, so that impeachment and other procedures can be completed quickly and people will stop experiencing economic conditions and insecurity in the chaos. I think this is the duty of a political group.
◆ Kim Woo-sung: Yes, I also told you at the opening, but I think one way is to clear up the situation quickly because they say they can hear the screams of self-employed people. That's what they said. If so, it would be necessary to change the position from the power of the people, but from the power of the people, he told me about the emergency committee chairman earlier, but he is a reasonable person. I think it's an expression like someone who can hear both sides' opinions when it comes to rationality, but Yoo Seung Min reliever Ron came out. I think you know better than anyone else. His strengths and getting through this situation. If you assume that it's possible, what will be the change if you become him?
◇ Lee Jun-seok: The merits of Yoo Seung Min have always maintained a reformist tendency in terms of its message and this, after all. It's something like this. Second, lawmaker Yoo Seung Min has been a long-time member of the party, but in fact, after his term in the National Assembly ends in 2020, he does not know the party that Yoo Seung Min is the power of the people. In fact, except for running in the presidential election and the Gyeonggi-do governor's election for a while, there was little interaction with party officials. So, as expected, the party's control will not go well. Representative Yoo Seung Min was a member of the National Assembly from the 17th to the 20th. Then few of the 21st and 22nd National Assembly members know.
◆ [Kim Woo-sung] It's all changed.
◇ Lee Jun-seok: How the atmosphere has changed in between. Of course, you can adapt, but I think the gap will be significant whether you are the emergency committee chairman as a manager in a short-term war and a short-term presidential election or whether you run as a candidate. If you look at it now, it is very difficult to say that the political situation started with a group of appeals from the nucleated view and the surrounding people. It's not Jungkook who can break through just by saying the right thing or the right thing. A considerable degree of political power must be exercised, but that part is unknown.
◆ Kim Woo-sung: There was also a question of whether political power was possible. We can't help but talk about the internal situation of the New Reform Party. It has been reported that there is some conflict with CEO Heo Eun-ah over the replacement of President Kim Chul-geun. What is the situation?
◇ Lee Jun-seok: I am the majority shareholder of the New Reform Party, no matter what anyone says? Since I'm a person in that position, I say something about Dangmo only at a really decisive moment. However, this recent controversy is because officials in the secretariat or all the officials of the New Reform Party have questioned Heo Eun-ah's leadership and have continued to say something to me to some extent, so I mentioned the least. But I've been watching for months now as I've always respected the party leader's authority and I think there are a lot of problems with various choices, spending party money, or dealing with political situations, but I hope Heo Eun-ah will continue to solve this problem. Some people accept that the termination of the decision means resigning from Yeouido. You can accept it in advance. It's a pity for me because CEO Heo Eun-ah seems to be flocking to one side because there is no clear explanation. Please be determined.
◆ Kim Woo-sung: Yes. Finally, I wonder what the aftermath will be like as the so-called Myung Tae-kyun's golden phone was handed over to the prosecution and Park Joo-min of the Democratic Party of Korea met. We're going to have a bail review today. Rep. Lee Joon-seok's name also often appeared in the Myung Tae-kyun issue. Please briefly summarize what the aftermath will be as the contents of this phone are revealed more in the future.
◇ Lee Jun-seok: I'm sure there are a lot of people in the political world who know CEO Myung Tae-kyun. To be honest with the people, I've always known them well. However, we didn't do anything problematic. I never exchanged 100 won with CEO Myung Tae-geun, and on top of that, I didn't ask for a poll. So there's no problem for me when I see it from there. I haven't met anyone else.Starting from there, there are people who get caught playing with words that I know pollack but I don't know pollack. Isn't it that they keep hiding something because there's a problem?
◆ Kim Woo-sung: We talked about people who hide your problems. That's all for today. A lot of people are asking us to listen to it again, so we'll invite you again if we have a chance. Thank you for talking with me today. It was Lee Joon-seok of the New Reform Party.
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