[Correct] Chief of Security Park Jong Jun, the police are here today... "You need to investigate the president's status."

■ Host: Kim Sun-young Anchor, Jeong Ji-woong Anchor
■ Appearance: Kim Jin, former Editorial Writer at JoongAng Ilbo, Choi Chang-ryul, Special Professor at Yongin University

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[Anchor]
A political commentary with a living angle, starting at the stroke of the hour. Today, two special professors from Yongin University, Choi Chang-ryul, a former editor-in-chief of the JoongAng Ilbo, are here. Welcome. Chief of Security Park Jong-joon attended the police today. Let's first hear what kind of position you've expressed.

[Park Jong-joon/Secretary of Security: I have called Acting Chief Choi Sang-mok several times to suggest mediation between government agencies to prevent this from happening, and I have asked the president's lawyers for a third alternative, thinking that no physical conflict or bloodshed should occur under any circumstances. But we didn't get the right answer. I think the investigation process should be carried out in line with the current presidential status. I don't think it's the current procedure for executing arrest warrants. I hope that the investigation process will proceed appropriately to the president in accordance with Korea's national prestige. If the police refuse to be summoned by the police and do not receive an investigation, who will be investigated by the police? (Today's police say they were considering arrest, but why did they decide to attend? ) That doesn't matter. From the beginning, I was going to respond to the police summons, and the summons was the first day after the incident, and the second day was the third day, and I didn't have the time to prepare a lawyer. In the meantime, the lawyer is ready, and I decided to respond to the investigation today. ]

[Anchor]
If I don't get investigated, who will be investigated by the police? Director Park Jong-joon attended and said this. Although he appeared in the third round of attendance, he expressed his position that he had planned to respond to the summons since the first round.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
Also, if you don't comply with the summons, an arrest warrant will be issued to the security chief. President Yoon Suk Yeol is also confronting him like this because he refused an arrest warrant. If an arrest warrant is issued even for the security chief, the security chief will have no justification. You said that protecting the president is the value of the security service. The security chief said that in his statement, so I think he attended considering various public opinions. Looking at it, I don't think it fits the duty of the security chief. Even if we can talk about this, if we think that physical conflict and bloodshed should not occur, we should comply with the execution of an arrest warrant. Then there's nothing wrong.

The arrest warrant raises a number of issues from the ruling party to the power of the people in the ruling party and from the president.In any case, the Constitutional Court decided that Ma was legal. Because the objection itself was rejected. However, there should be no physical conflict or bloodshed because the head of the security agency comes out now. Then you just have to comply with the arrest warrant. It doesn't add up. Another thing I've asked for is a third alternative, and I don't think that's what the chief of security has to say. That's why you just have to be faithful to the duty of the security chief, and you're saying you have your own beliefs, right? The value of the president's existence is the security service. These are very political stories, too. It doesn't seem that appropriate.

[Anchor]
Anyway, I don't know when the second arrest warrant will be executed, but the fact that there should be no physical conflict or bloodshed ahead of that point can be interpreted as saying that even if the execution comes in this time, we will protect the president as we did last time, can it be interpreted as expressing this position once again?
[Kim Jin]
I look the other way around. I think the president and the security guard decided on the policy as a way to accept the second warrant execution.

[Anchor]
Do you think the air currents have changed?

[Kim Jin]
I think the airflow has changed.

[Anchor]
In what way?

[Kim Jin]
The Security Agency's purpose is to protect the president's absolute safety in the announcement of the position, which the head of the security agency announced last time after resisting the first execution. I used the expression "absolute safety". I focused on the controversy over the illegality of the warrant. Whether the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has the right to investigate. So they aggressively attacked the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the courts. If you look at today's position, the idea that all of those things have gone in and that physical conflict should not happen in any case means that the security service has expressed its intention not to physically resist secondary enforcement. And it kind of feels like a promise race.

[Anchor]
Which one?

[Kim Jin]
On the police side. The police will convene the head of the wide-area investigation team today, and the second execution will likely be carried out as early as tomorrow or the day after tomorrow at the latest. In such a situation, the security agency may change its policy and appear to be dragging its feet, but I think I've decided to accept it without much physical resistance. If we go a little further, I think there is a possibility that President Yoon Suk Yeol will issue a statement on his own and respond to an arrest warrant. Chief Park Jong-joon's attitude has completely changed, 180 degrees. To say that it is a kind of promised competition is that I will be in your arms in the form of responding to the third summons, so if you guys arrest me urgently or conduct a second execution while under investigation by the police.

Then, since the chief of security is out of here, the deputy chief of security or senior security officers direct the bodyguards and show no physical resistance. It doesn't work like that. The fact that I'm here in the arms of the police means that I'm not physically resisting, so I'm here and whether I'm under emergency arrest or not. I think the atmosphere has changed by taking the second execution and accepting the second execution without much physical resistance from the security service to the second execution.

[Anchor]
But the most important thing to change the atmosphere is the president's mind of Yoon Suk Yeol. Then, it is possible that President Yoon Suk Yeol has decided to comply with the execution of this warrant, is this how you see it?

[Kim Jin]
I look in that direction. And I'll talk about it later.Ma's lawyers told the foreign media yesterday about their position while talking about the last and strongest civil war. Until the last thing the president has to say. I hope I understand my intentions of declaring an emergency martial law, I think I made the last final statement of intent before the action of responding to the arrest warrant. In conclusion, I think the second execution will be smooth.

[Anchor]
He said that instead of physical collisions, there seems to be a possibility that it will proceed smoothly. Park Jong-joon, the head of the security department, said that he entered the arms of the police a while ago. There are predictions that Park Jong-joon, the head of the security service, goes to the police for investigation, and if he is arrested immediately, his personal safety will be secured, and the execution of the warrant will be much easier.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
So if you really thought of an emergency arrest and tried to protect and fight in the second round of execution until the end, you can't attend. It's something you can put off. I'm sure he'll be determined, but I also thought the security would not be as resistant as the first execution. Because there is no justification. I thought I would respond smoothly even if there was force, but my expectation was wrong. However, in the second round of execution, the security agency talks about various scenarios of armed conflict that the media and the general expectations are considerable. Will a SWAT team be deployed or not? It seems very unlikely, and he denies it.

I don't think that's going to work either. I can't imagine police commandos, helicopters, and troops coming down from above. That's denied. Looking at the situation, I think the security chief is now in the second round of execution, whether it's passive or random. I don't know about the promised competition in that way, but I think it can be. I don't know if we can communicate like that to the point where we have a promise. I'm not sure about that. Whatever it is, there is a limit to the second execution, even if the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit does not have an investigator or is distrusting the issuance of warrants by the Western District Court. The Constitutional Court of the Republic of Korea recognized the constitutional petition.

So I don't think that's a big problem. Therefore, I think there is a possibility that the security agency may be quite passive or pretending to be quite passive in the second execution. There's no justification. I think there's a limit. Yesterday's foreign press meeting between lawyers Seok Dong-hyun and Yoon Gap-geun was not too appropriate. I am worried that the emergency martial law will not be achieved yet. I think I didn't fail. Anyway, overall, we'll talk about the poll later.Anyway, no matter what the public opinion is, the security agency has no justification right now. I think the president can endure this way anymore. But if the security agency changes its mind like this, the president has no way.

[Anchor]
There were also rumors that the inside of the security office was shaking. Will that have an impact?

[Choi Chang Ryul] I think there's
. Because apart from the MZ generation, why wouldn't the security agents have any thoughts? It's been a long time. In addition, if there is evidence of obstruction of the execution of special public affairs and is booked for obstruction of execution or some investigation later, there is a big problem in the future of their public officials. But if it's a very honorable and justifiable act, it's a justification to endure those things. That's what a person really is. But some bodyguards don't.Why doesn't Ma think it's desirable for the majority of bodyguards to hold out like this for themselves or for the sake of their cause? Therefore, the so-called determination will disappear from within. I agree with what I said earlier because I think it will weaken very much.

[Anchor]
Security Minister Park Jong-joon, who was also called President Yoon Suk Yeol's bulletproof vest, is now in the police. I think we'll find out what signal it means later. The president of Yoon Suk Yeol also expressed this position ahead of the second execution of the warrant. Let's hear from them.

[Seok Dong-hyun / Legal advisor to the President of Yoon Suk Yeol (Yesterday): It can lead to a civil war if this situation goes wrong, as it can never be seen as normal law enforcement to do this for the sake of showing and arresting an incumbent president by the Airborne Division and police, not for some armoured personnel carriers or helicopters.... This is a system war, and it is necessary to pay attention to that part of the international foreign media because it is moving toward an ideological war between the ideology of liberal democracy and the forces contrary to it. ]

[Yoon Gap-geun / Attorney for President Yoon Suk Yeol (Yesterday): (President Yoon) is trying to understand the process of declaring emergency martial law to his lawyer, and he is agonizing over whether the intended declaration of emergency martial law will not be achieved, and many are worried. ]

[Anchor]
About me by lawyer Yoon Gap-geun. I am worried that I will not achieve the purpose of the emergency martial law. What does this mean?

[Kim Jin]
There are three purposes of emergency martial law as stated by President Yoon. The first is a kind of counterattack against the opposition's violent opposition to state administration and paralysis of state administration. The second is an investigation into allegations of election fraud. Especially trying to confiscate the NEC. The third is to prevent pro-North Korean anti-state forces from harming liberal democracy. Aren't you saying that three things are the reasons why President Yoon declared emergency martial law? through public statements etc So, if the president is arrested for the execution of an arrest warrant or such a situation occurs, President Yoon's whereabouts will be arrested and tried without reflecting the purpose of the emergency martial law as much as he wants in realistic politics or public opinion. Aren't you worried about this? I'm worried about President Yoon

As I said earlier, I used strong provocative expressions such as "It's a civil war," while watching the press conference yesterday, but the overall atmosphere has become much softer. It's loosened. Why is the agency that does not have the right to investigate the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, which directly attacked the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit before, trying to investigate the rebellion? And why do you shop for judges and get a warrant from the Western District Court? I saw it as a kind of ritual where I took a step back from attacking this type of Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and decided to comply with the second arrest warrant and finally emphasized to the people what the president wanted to say and why the president did martial law before he was arrested by investigators.

So, during the second round of execution, investigators from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will never enter the residence and show the appearance of dragging the president out. In that atmosphere, the president puts a vehicle of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit on the front porch of his residence and gets into the vehicle himself. I don't know whether the president will announce a statement or not, but I think there will be an expression of opinion whether it is the president or the lawyers. My prediction is that the president walks out of his residence and walks himself into the vehicle of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit that he had on standby in front of him.

[Anchor]
You're not going to do this with handcuffs?

[Kim Jin]
I don't think there will be such a thing. Because I'm a sitting president. So the image of voluntarily walking into the vehicle. I think that will happen.

[Anchor]
Kwon Young-se, chairman of the People's Power Emergency Committee, said this today. He also said that handcuffing the president is a degradation of national dignity. If the second arrest warrant is executed, I am very interested in how President Yoon Suk Yeol will respond to the investigation and the execution. As Commissioner Kim Jin said, do you think he will come out in handcuffs, and this will not be done?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
That's not going to happen. It could be if there was a physical conflict and a picture of the worst-case scenario. But I don't think so. Because it's the same thing. The security service is also a place where you have thoughts. We're talking about a one-on-one competition between the security service and the airborne service, but that frame doesn't fit. This is a place that exercises legitimate state power anyway, and this is legitimate state power. According to the law on presidential security, it is not the president's security. Security is the removal of harm done to the body to protect life and property.

That's not the situation, so that's what the security chief said. Even if you say that the value of existence is to protect the president, it's not the right security for the security law. If you do this, you can protect him. For example, they harm the president in order to arrest him. That's for security, according to the security law. Because that's not the case, I think there is a limit to the security service. It's hard to imagine being handcuffed. If there's a physical conflict and you go to extreme situations, you can handcuff them. But otherwise, there's no reason to put handcuffs on them.

[Anchor]
Will the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit do that?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
I've said that before, I'll be treated with respect. That's why you said you wouldn't go in before sunrise or after sunset. But that's not the case in the second round. There's a saying that you can make a surprise attack. Anyway, I don't think the two sides have that much behind-the-scenes contact yet, but that part is different from that of Kim Jin, but lawyer Yoon Gap-geun and lawyer Seok Dong-hyun held a press conference with that mind, which could make sense, but it's not that bad. That's not important. Anyway, I keep saying that there's a limit right now. Even if the two sides are confronting each other like this and the support of the people's power goes up, the limits are clear. Because the act of emergency martial law on December 3rd saw the rawness of the Korean people. The limitations are clear, so I don't think handcuffing or anything like this will happen as part of it.

[Anchor]
Professor Choi also thinks that when he sees the situation going on today, cranes will be mobilized and this will not happen. If you look at the position of the president of Yoon Suk Yeol, there are many keywords, and they used expressions such as ideological war and system war. What kind of intent do you think that is?

[Kim Jin]
That's the most basic logic of the anti-impeachment rallies and hard-line conservatives to protect President Yoon. Their logic is not that President Yoon is not completely wrong. I did something wrong in my own way. However, if he does not keep President Yoon in the current situation, he will pave the way for Lee Jae-myung to take power. However, the reason why we can't help but see it as a horror is that many of the close aides Lee Jae-myung had when he was mayor of Seongnam or governor of Gyeonggi Province were from anti-American activist groups.

It was specifically reported in the media several times. Among Lee Jae-myung's key aides, the truth of such anti-American activists has been reported in the media. Second, representative Lee Jae-myung has attended a candlelight vigil in the past and made this kind of statement that it is possible to withdraw U.S. troops from South Korea. He is also accused of illegally trading his own visit to North Korea and such projects through a double bubble with Deputy Governor Lee Hwa-young.

In addition, various basic income and such policies are quite socialist in terms of conservative hard-liners, and even if representative Lee Jae-myung becomes the Democratic Party's presidential candidate, he is inclined to the left of the same Democratic Party of Korea. Conservative hard-liners say they are politicians with the most socialist tendency. So their logical structure stands that way in its own way. If the president collapses, President Lee Jae-myung will be born. So, what is to protect President Yoon is liberal democracy or an ideological war called a socialist of representative Lee Jae-myung. It has this logical structure.

[Anchor]
I don't know if the president and former minister Kim Yong-hyun share this frame.Former Minister Kim Yong-hyun's lawyers also held a press conference, and former Minister Kim Yong-hyun released a letter from prison, and stories such as ideological confrontation also appear here. It would be nice if you could show me the graphic. I'll introduce the content myself. The political situation in Korea is at a crossroads whether it will join liberal democracies such as the United States and Japan or become a communist socialist country. The contents of this prison letter were revealed. It's in line with the president, I think we can see it like this.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
It's similar. The elimination of pro-North Korean forces is not similar, but it should be considered that the context is in common. I don't think that's reasonable. It's the so-called color theory, but it's like the pro-North Korean left. The core force of the Democratic Party was also the movement in the 1980s. I can't tell you all about the situation in the 80's.Ma was during the time of Chun Doo-hwan, and as the theory of Jongso came in, it clearly took on pro-North Korean thought as it coincided with the situation in Korea. That it's Juche ideology. But that was back in the '80s. It's been 40 years. Now, if Korea's representative Lee Jae-myung takes power, the political situation will not be liberal democracies such as the United States and Japan? This is the color theory.

I think they're obsessed with this idea. Because you claim so much. I think it was just a justification, but I personally don't feel it. Logically, the political situation, and even if it wasn't in the Yushin era in the past, we can't talk about this unless we're stuck on the island of Yushin at that time, but we can't use the military as an emergency martial law, even if it's a justification. I don't think there's a logical causal relationship at all.

[Anchor]
In any case, there is a frame war aimed at gathering supporters, but there was also a commotion at yesterday's National Assembly plenary session's questions about the government. Let's listen for a moment to see what's been said.

[Na Kyung-won / National People's Power (Yesterday): There are various divisions in the public opinion as the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit obtains illegal warrants with illegal investigation power. ]

[Choi Min-hee / Rep. of the Democratic Party of Korea (Yesterday): Why isn't Na Kyung-won on trial? It's been 5 years.]

[Kwon Seong-dong / People's Power Floor Leader (Yesterday): What are you doing?]

" (Go in, go in) No, go in smoothly (Go in) (Go in) (Go in) (Go in!) ) (I'm the one who agrees with me! )"

[Won-Sik Woo / Speaker of the National Assembly (Yesterday): Now, let's be quiet, let's hear your questions. ]

[Won-Sik Woo / Speaker of the National Assembly (Yesterday): Have a seat, have a seat. Here, have a seat. ]

'' (Speaker of the National Assembly, get him out! What the hell is that?")


[Lee Chul-kyu / National People's Power (Yesterday): Even if there is a purpose to disturb the National Constitution, shouldn't there be an act? So, murder, violence, or abuse of authority during an act.... (Do I have to be killed to find out? )]

[Rep. Park Joo-min / Democratic Party of Korea (Yesterday): What if lawmakers go to the majority to execute a warrant and scramble and block it, is it obstruction of justice? ]

[Dongwoon Oh / Senior Civil Servant Crime Investigation Director (Yesterday): If it interferes with our warrant execution work, it applies equally to obstruction of justice. There is no theory about the arrest of a red-handed criminal. ]

[Anchor]
It seems that the voices of members of the People's Power are growing these days. Martial law is wrong, but I think he continues to point out that the process or method of executing a warrant is a problem.

[Kim Jin]
It continues to raise the question of whether the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has the right to investigate the crime of rebellion. However, it is true that there is a difficult aspect in the current power of conservative forces, President Yoon, and the people. The prosecution is the same as the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. It's the same that you don't have direct investigation into the crime of rebellion. However, the court acknowledged as a warrant that the prosecution could investigate the crime of rebellion for related crimes while investigating the abuse of authority. All former Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun and key commanders were arrested by the prosecution for an arrest warrant. Then, if you extend the logic, President Yoon should have raised the question of why the prosecution, which does not have the right to investigate my key men and commanders, is arresting him before the issue of an arrest warrant comes to him. That's how it's logical.

However, the first difficult part was that he remained silent about that and said he had no right to investigate the crime of rebellion because there was a problem with me. Second, in order to prove a claim like lawmaker Na Kyung-won, we need to oppose and resist all investigations conducted by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and requesting arrest warrants. However, President Yoon will not receive an arrest warrant at the last minute. But prosecute. Apply for an arrest warrant. You changed your position to accept it. Then the logical front that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit does not have the right to investigate the crime of rebellion collapsed there. Rep. Na Kyung-won continues to insist on the logic, and in that sense, there must be some difficulties for all members of the People's Power. If you do that from beginning to end, do you reject the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the prosecution? I think it will be sorted out if the arrest warrant is executed by being silent about the prosecution and changing the position on the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit.

[Anchor]
The logic can be very poor. Members of the People's Power are now. Someone said this. Looking at the recent trend of public opinion, it may be difficult to see what kind of strategy the members of the People's Power are working on. There was also a Gallup poll today. Please show us. Let's look at the power of the people and the approval rating of the Democratic Party. 34, the power of the people. The Democratic Party of Korea is 36.2 percentage points, so it's almost within the margin of error. It is said that the approval rating of the People's Power Party has returned to before the declaration of martial law. How should the People's Power MPs read this?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
It shouldn't be misreading, but what I mean is that there is a strong sentiment among conservative supporters that Lee Jae-myung should not be president anyway. President Yoon's emergency martial law was wrong, but anyway, representative Lee Jae-myung should be prevented. I think that's really strong. Also, after former President Park Park Geun Hye was impeached in 2017, the Moon Jae In administration was established. I think there's also a learning effect on that. If this is impeached, it seems legally or constitutionally correct, but if the president is arrested and impeachment is cited, the same path will be repeated. That's what we call conservative destruction. I think those things are combined together.

In addition, the media is reporting almost the same weight on both sides now. A lot of time has passed for the people, too. It's already been over a month since December 3rd. And the impeachment decision was made on December 14th, and it has been almost a month. In this situation, there are a lot of judicial debates. I think the overall frame seems to change to a camp confrontation as it continues to appear whether there is investigation authority or not, and it becomes a pro-impeachment report in front of the Hannam-dong official residence. So, everyday Korean political grammar, Jinyoung's competition. An extreme confrontation between the two camps, an extreme division of confrontation, and conflict. The president's illegal and unconstitutional behavior and charges of rebellion when replaced by this.

Although the crime of rebellion has not been confirmed yet. Isn't the awareness of the problem much gone and the power of the people is spreading that logic? And it's because he's on the left, so isn't Lee Jae-myung not supposed to be representative and the conservatives are destroyed, and the president was just trying to be emergency? I think this kind of idea is reflected. It's a previous rally. In addition, there were many overrepresented because of the conservatives' sense of crisis. But the problem is, we also need to look at the public opinion in favor of impeachment. The people's power is encouraged here, so they are excessively going to Hannam-dong's official residence to prevent the rally.

[Anchor]
Please show us the polls as well. Gallup polls on the pros and cons of impeachment. We've got it ready, so show us that, too.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
The approval rating of the people's power, it's kind of like a reflective benefit. It's disappearing a lot. In addition, the Democratic Party of Korea is a reflective opinion, but it is disappearing. Because we can't help but be conscious of the judicial risk of representative Lee Jae-myung. It works in various ways and that phenomenon occurs, but you should never misread that part, I think so.

[Anchor]
As you can see, there are much higher responses in favor of impeachment. It's about twice as much. 64% say no. 32% say no. There is overwhelmingly a lot of approval, and I think the power of the people will pay attention to this. Public opinion in favor of it is decreasing. I think I'll pay attention to the flow, but how do you see it?

[Kim Jin]
I think there are two or three reasons. The first one was that the National Assembly and the Democratic Party excluded the issue of civil war under the criminal law and withdrew it at the Constitutional Court hearing. Then, was the impeachment motion itself quite sloppy and inadequate? How can a prosecution be changed by 50% during the trial process? This kind of criticism. And those logics that the president of Yoon Suk Yeol resists and holds out, and emergency martial law is so serious that I want to complain because I feel unfair. And the controversy over the right to investigate the rebellion of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit And Judge Shopping on the Western District Court. The Western District Court.

It is a place where a large number of judges from the liberal Korean Law Research Association are stationed. Nominees for constitutional judge who were recommended by the Democratic Party of Korea. Nominees for political office who became constitutional judge this time or judge Ma Eun-hyuk whose appointment has been suspended. All of these people are in the Western District Court. But they are from our law research group. Therefore, more than 30% of the concrete conservatives claimed by President Yoon are gathering. So, people who said that the concrete conservatives were initially conservative about President Yoon Suk Yeol's very strange emergency martial law, but I was also angry. I think people who felt very angry about President Yoon emotionally turned to the opposite side of impeachment as they calmed down their anger over time.

[Anchor]
Anyway, there is an analysis that that part is a concern about the power of the people. Since the president's approval rating is also on the rise in some polls, the people's power should draw a line with the president if an early presidential election is held, but when and how much should be drawn?

[Kim Jin]
I think I'm going to draw a line sometime in the end. Because otherwise, we can't hold a presidential election. The presidential election is actually a must-win if you go to the opposite side of impeachment and put forward a candidate who advocated against impeachment or continue to argue against impeachment no matter what candidate you put forward. Nearly 70% of voters are now in favor of impeachment. It's going to be the same as the presidential election right after the impeachment of the president of Park Geun Hye. So, I will draw a line with President Yoon Suk Yeol. If the first branch is arrested and investigated after President Yoon's arrest warrant is executed, so when an arrest warrant is requested and the contents of the warrant are all from a warrant review or something like that, and if President Yoon is indicted, President Yoon's indictment will probably be disclosed, just as the Minister Kim Yong-hyun's indictment was disclosed.

Then the indictment will show what wrongs President Yoon has done and how he instructs his subordinates in the emergency martial law. Then, the argument that we should witness the reality and gradually draw a line within the power of the people is expanded. The third is after he was impeached when he was cited for impeachment. The line has to be drawn completely now. If impeachment is decided, the date of the early presidential election will be announced that day or the day after that. I carefully think the possibility of impeachment in March and early presidential election in May is also quite high. Then, when the presidential election is decided, everything is buried in front of the strategy for winning the election. How persuasive would it be to argue that he would continue to have a relationship with President Yoon at that time?

[Anchor]
But they predicted that they would gradually draw a line, and their movements are drawing attention. It wasn't even called a kind of Jin-yoon, but lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun, who recently claimed to be a Yoon Suk Yeol protector, made a position. Whether it is bad or good, we should be responsible for Yoon Suk Yeol's first presidential recruitment. It would be nice if you could show me the graphic. I posted it. The people gathered in front of the Hannam-dong residence do not advocate martial law. But the president of Yoon Suk Yeol has been fighting the black cartel in our society. We have to overcome adversity together anyway, he said.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
I can't understand what you're saying. It doesn't add up, so it's very difficult to interpret it.

[Anchor]
Anyway, I think they're in a position that they shouldn't draw a line completely.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
But what is that about? I'm not advocating martial law. What are you talking about? Aren't you saying that emergency martial law itself is illegal? I don't think I'm advocating it, but I think it's a good interpretation. And fight the cartels, the black forces. That's why it's in line with the president's story. I will fight back against the anti-state forces and the provocations of the invasion of sovereignty, saying that the country is in danger. That's what I'm talking about. The idea of a liberal democratic system is to be replaced by a confrontation between ideology and ideology. It's in line. I can see the strategy. Those who are described as conservative hard-liners would agree. Nevertheless, as a politician, as a representative of the people. Defending emergency martial law, opposing impeachment, and he's not the only one.I think Yoon Sang-hyun is especially like that.

I saw a picture of him recently, and he shouldn't mention a specific private lawmaker, but speaking of it, I also saw a picture of him bowing 90 degrees in front of Pastor Jeon Kwang-hoon. I don't know what you're asking me to do. I don't think remuneration is anything like that. But is it a gathering of conservative rightists? Asphalt right again? What else do you mean by that? What's the asphalt right? I think the media made it up. When I think of the asphalt right, I think of Pastor Jeon Kwang-hoon, and Pastor Jeon Kwang-hoon is like a conservative, so conservative forces are not like that. Defending the rule of law, placing importance on tradition and customs, putting national security ahead of anyone else, isn't this conservative? Is that so? It's not like that. But I think that's how you really sell your remuneration. That attitude doesn't seem appropriate.

[Anchor]
Representative Yoon Sang-hyun and former Minister Won Hee-ryong say they will protect the front of the official residence. What are these people up to in politics? Are you looking at the presidential election? What is it?

[Kim Jin]
I think there are many aspects aimed at the party's power after the presidential election, not the presidential election. Isn't it an analysis that the Democratic Party is advantageous for the presidential election? However, it is highly likely that the presidential election will use a strategy such as picking candidates who voted for impeachment, whether former representative Han Dong-hoon or Mayor Oh Se-hoon, and holding a match with candidate Lee Jae-myung anyway. If I add one more thing, I think former CEO Han Dong-hoon is likely to run this time. There is also this presidential election, but I think it is more likely to run for the next presidential election in five years to develop one's political capabilities. Then, if you lose the presidential election, the emergency committee system will be disbanded, and a national convention will be held to elect a new party leader. Then, the party members are very frustrated at that time. In this psychological structure, if the party members' emotions are touched by putting forward anti-impeachment, loyalty, and loyalty, there is a high possibility that they will become the party leader if they get a lot of votes from the TK-centered and responsible party members. Especially in the case of Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun, there is a possibility that Rep. Won Hee-ryong is making such calculations.

[Anchor]
Your mind can be at the convention?

[Kim Jin]
That's how I see it.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
But if that happens, he lost in succession during the impeachment of former President Park Geun Hye. He's saying he's going to go down that road again. If such people use the party rules to use the 50:50 of this party's popularity, so if they use it, the remuneration will be destroyed. I really hope you don't think about that.

[Anchor]
Former lawmaker Kim Min, the power of the people, was also called the so-called Baekgoldan, and it was controversial because he arranged a press conference at the National Assembly for the anti-communist youth party, which holds a rally to defend President Yoon's official residence. Let's take a look at that.

[Kim Min-jeon / Member for the People's Power (Yesterday): I would like to introduce you to the press conference of the Anti-Communist Youth Corps. I'd like to tell you if they're protesting in Hannam-dong and their voices. ]

[Kim Jung-hyun / Anti-Communist Youth Corps Representative (Yesterday): Some media outlets introduced us as the Baekgoldan. Our leadership has decided to call the organization's official name the Anti-Communist Youth Corps. I would like to inform you that the Baekgoldan will be operated as an organization under the Anti-Communist Youth Corps. ]

[Kim Yong-min / Deputy floor policy leader of the Democratic Party of Korea (CBS 'Kim Hyun-jung's News Show'): We are also considering proposing an expulsion proposal today to take strong sanctions against former lawmaker Kim Min. I think it's a very serious problem that they tried to operate unofficial lines that still sympathized with this civil war, even though they were just young people. ]

[Anchor]
The name Baekgoldan itself became quite controversial, not just to protect the official residence in 2030. How did you like it?

[Kim Jin]
The Baekgoldan are such plainclothes police officers who were mobilized to suppress some kind of anti-government student protesters in the 1980s and 1990s. But didn't you put on a white helmet? That's why political gangsters who were mobilized during the Syngman Rhee administration used the name Baekgoldan in the past. At that time, there were many names like some kind of youth group. I think it's a way to bring together hard-line conservatives and protectionists supporting President Yoon Suk Yeol to the extreme ahead of the second execution of the arrest warrant, which is quite a mystery.

There is a possibility that such a method could backfire. I don't know why they leave a lot of names and use the name Baekgoldan, which reminds them of that. Isn't the representative of the group leading this a former reporter for the conservative monthly magazine? Because of these things, there are a lot of complicated situations. Former lawmaker Kim Min made a claim by linking on social media that not only that but also that there are many Chinese people participating in pro-impeachment rallies these days, and all of those claims were refuted by specific facts and are a bit of a mystery.

[Anchor]
In any case, former lawmaker Kim Min explained that he did not know the background information, but the Democratic Party of Korea is in a position to propose an expulsion.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
Even if you propose an expulsion plan, the expulsion plan will not be expelled, so the subject of expulsion was in 1979. I'm sorry for former lawmaker Kim Min. It's because I named a specific name. But you don't even recognize him and arrange a press conference like that? Young people? And anti-communist youth are also colorism. I don't know if it's a metaphor, but in the past, the Northwest Youth Corps came to mind at first glance during the Syngman Rhee administration. It's a completely different thing. It's a very far-right force. In particular, as you mentioned earlier, the Baekgoldan repressed the members of the National Assembly during the Korean War in 1952, causing the political turmoil in Busan, and that's where I prayed. The anchor said it earlier and Kim said it earlier.I don't know why Ma borrowed that word. Former lawmaker Kim Min does so again and withdraws the press conference. Why and how do you withdraw your finished press conference? It's very unfortunate, in many ways.

[Anchor]
Both of them used the expression "It's a mystery of former lawmaker Kim Min." We don't know what former lawmaker Kim Min had inside, but anyway, I hope there will be no physical conflict if the second warrant and execution of President Yoon are carried out as you predicted today. So far, Kim Jin, a former editor of the JoongAng Ilbo, and Choi Chang-ryul, a special professor at Yongin University. Thank you.