Armed Forces Day's mega-city march...Hey, I'm pressuring the special prosecutor.

■ Hosted by: anchor Sung Moon-gyu
■ Starring: Eom Kyung-young, director of the Center for Spiritual Research in the Age, Park Won-seok, former lawmaker of the Justice Party

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[Anchor]
The 76th anniversary of the Armed Forces Day, the government held a huge city march this year following last year. President Yoon decided to have a dinner with the leadership of the People's Power Party tomorrow without representative Han Dong-hoon. In addition, the opposition party started a sit-in protest by pressuring the special prosecutor to accept it. Today, let's summarize the issues of two lawmakers, Eom Kyung-young, head of the Institute for Spiritual Research in the Era, and Park Won-seok, former lawmaker of the Justice Party. Hello, both of you. Let's talk about Armed Forces Day first. Today's ceremony was held at Seoul Airport. President of Yoon Suk Yeol emphasized an overwhelming response based on the Korea-U.S. alliance. Let's listen to it first.

[Yoon Suk Yeol / President: Our military will immediately respond to North Korea's provocations based on its strong combat capabilities and firm preparedness. If North Korea attempts to use nuclear weapons, it will face a decisive and overwhelming response from our military and the Korea-U.S. alliance. It will be the day of the end of the North Korean regime. The South Korean government will strengthen security cooperation among South Korea, the U.S. and Japan and strengthen our security posture by closely cooperating with the international community on the basis of the strong alliance between South Korea and the U.S. ]

[Anchor]
There was a ceremony at Seoul Airport in the morning. In the afternoon, there was a city parade in Gwanghwamun. The city parade was revived last year for the first time in 10 years, and it is said that the city has marched for two consecutive years this year. I heard it's the first time since the 5th ball that the city has been marching for 2 consecutive years. Presidential Commemoration and how did you see the city march for the second year in a row?

[Strict Management]
The security crisis is intensifying now. First of all, as North Korea's nuclear power becomes more advanced day by day, it is becoming irreversible, and that's what I think. In that respect, I think it is very timely to send a warning message to North Korea through overwhelming conventional power. And now the leadership of the international community is in a hiatus. Because the U.S. presidential election is 35 days away. Before the presidential election, it should be viewed as a leadership hiatus for three to four months. Now Israel has assassinated the head of Hezbollah and is waging a limited ground war in Lebanon. I think it can be understood that this is also a full-scale invasion taking advantage of the leadership hiatus. In that sense, North Korea is also in a very dangerous time. Also, didn't the National Intelligence Service report to the National Assembly that there is a possibility of a nuclear test right after the U.S. presidential election? In that respect, I think today's street march, which is a large-scale force, is an appropriate event.

[Anchor]
You said it was an appropriate city march considering the situation at home and abroad. Representative Park.

[Park Won-seok]
Well, I don't think a large military parade in the city center proves our security posture, nor does it prove our security posture. In a way, it is a remnant of an era of confrontational military competition during the authoritarian era in the past. Even in the world, there is no case of developed countries having military parades like these large-scale military parades in the city center. It is only in such socialist and totalitarian countries such as North Korea and China. I think President Yoon Suk Yeol just likes that for no particular reason. I think he wants to do that. It's the second year in a row that...

[Anchor]
Why do you think you like it?

[Park Won-seok]
Well, I don't know. I think you think such a street march is a demonstration of our security posture, but I don't think so at all. And you mentioned the end of the North Korean regime in your speech earlier, but I think it's something the president can say in terms of showing our commitment to security.It is the political leader's duty to prevent such a military conflict from coming for a political leader who is not a military leader. It's not my mission to talk about the end of the regime. From that point of view, in the Yoon Suk Yeol administration, military confrontation is heating up in a way, but is it really breaking the will to advance North Korea's nuclear weapons? That's why the president of Yoon Suk Yeol always keeps peace with his power, not with words. However, all President Yoon Suk Yeol is doing is talking. I would like to say that a hard-line policy in words protects our peace and does not break North Korea's will to develop nuclear weapons.

[Anchor]
However, some interpret that the government's move to emphasize security in the midst of this is helping to rally its supporters as the president's approval rating has continued to break new lows recently.

[Strict Management]
The president's approval rating is around 25%, and there is a strong support, which I think is the case. Some progressive critics predict that the 10% range will collapse in the third year, but it has not collapsed yet. I don't think it's very likely that it will fall to the 10% level in the future. However, 25% of the president's approval rating is against the Special Prosecutor's Act on Chae Sang-byung and the Special Prosecutor's Act on Kim Gun-hee rather than security issues. So, I think you can understand that it is similar to President Yoon's approval rating. The president's emphasis on security concerns is in line with the identity of the conservative party, and the recent flow of international affairs, isn't it? In fact, full-scale inter-Korean cooperation is almost impossible as long as North Korea is maintained by the Kim Jong-un family. And even when inter-Korean relations were good, North Korea insisted on the so-called mosquito netting theory. So, we're going to block the inflow of foreign aid or cultural items by putting up a mosquito net. So, North Korea's position is that it will import support and culture to the extent that the system will not be shaken. So, for the time being, I think we need to strengthen our security posture while watching North Korea's internal changes. It will help to gather supporters as well as security issues, but it is not such a destructive issue as in the past. I think so.

[Anchor]
The last poll after my visit to the Czech Republic showed an increase in approval ratings, so what do you think of it in terms of diplomacy and security?

[Park Won-seok]
If you're lucky that your presidential approval rating doesn't go beyond the 20% mark and fall to the 10% level, it's a crisis of governance and a crisis of government in itself. Even now, the approval rating is close to the lowest every day, and not only the president's approval rating but also the ruling party's approval rating is falling, but there is no sign that the government will change its stance. In fact, I don't think they took this security step to gather their supporters. Such a military parade does not gather supporters. I think it's not because we've lost our approval rating for state administration because of our poor security, but because we don't care about it despite the criticism and criticism from the people in state administration, including various issues of First Lady Kim Gun-hee. And I think the current administration's emphasis on security as a conservative administration can be done in terms of the value of conservatism. However, as in the case of Corporal Chae, I can't help but ask the other side of the world about the security of the time when we don't even get to the bottom of why our soldiers died after working to support the public. If the president's approval rating continues as it is, in a way, even if the president maintains his position, he will face a situation where normal state administration does not work. I think it is a total crisis due to the overlap of self-destruction in the ruling party.

[Anchor]
You've talked a lot about the independent counsel law, but you have a chance to talk about it again in a little while. In the midst of this, President Yoon Suk Yeol decided to hold a dinner meeting tomorrow by inviting the leaders of the People's Power Party and the standing chairman of the National Assembly from the ruling party to the president's office. Some say that the floor leader Han Dong-hoon is excluded because it targets the floor leadership, but he may have been excluded on purpose.

[Strict Management]
It is an annual event for the president to invite a standing committee chairman to have a dinner ahead of the parliamentary audit, and that's what I know. And the last time we invited the party leaders to dinner, representative Han Dong-hoon and the media were caught in the crossfire when the private meeting failed. So, even if CEO Han Dong-hoon is included this time, the media will not see it favorably if this does not happen in one-on-one and does not produce results. However, I think the president's solo meeting with the party leader needs to produce results. However, if there is no result even if you have a solo conversation, it will be criticized as an empty-handed conversation again. But there are two issues right now. The first is the ruling-opposition political consultative body. However, for me, the issue of increasing medical schools has already left the government's hands. So what I say is the government is the government of consultation. For example, the presidential office in Yongsan and the relevant ministries, the Ministry of Education and the Ministry of Health and Welfare. I left my hand for something like this. So, if a ruling-opposition political council is formed and, for example, suspends or reduces the number of medical schools for the next year, this could be criticized by the public as a compromise between the political and medical circles. So, I've already gone too far to solve the issue of increasing medical schools by the ruling and opposition parties. So the arrow flew towards the target about two-thirds. To turn this around...

[Anchor]
Are you talking about the entrance examination now?

[Strict Management]
And through various social agreements, there were also two rulings in the Constitutional Court, weren't there? So it flew about two-thirds of the target. It is theoretically possible but practically impossible to reverse this. So I think it's actually too complicated a procedure to solve the problem with the ruling and opposition parties' government consultative body. So I think representative Han Dong-hoon needs to come up with his own exit strategy for the ruling and opposition party council. And the second is the double special prosecutor question. In the case of the Kim Gun-hee Special Prosecutor Act, I believe that after the investigation process is completed, a collective statement of position or a solution should be discussed from then on. You just mentioned the Special Prosecutor's Act on Chae Sang-byung, but after the investigation of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, there is a general consensus on what to do after the investigation of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and collecting party opinions. That's what I think.

[Anchor]
So, if President Yoon and Representative Han Dong-hoon have a private meeting, there are many issues, actually. It includes all kinds of special prosecution laws, including the issue of increasing medical schools you mentioned just now. However, there will be a dinner tomorrow without representative Han Dong-hoon, while there is no specific story in the presidential office. Also, yesterday, representative Han Dong-hoon happened to be unable to attend the event attended by the president, what do you think of these situations comprehensively?

[Park Won-seok]
I think I have no choice but to see it like this, saying that the Dokdae is unhinged and blatant passing of Han Dong-hoon is taking place. Not long ago, only some of the top members were invited to dinner by the president, which was once the news. Then, the leadership dinner before Chuseok, which was scheduled, was postponed after Chuseok. At that time, there was an interpretation that the president's office objected to the legislative conflict proposed by representative Han Dong-hoon, and the feelings of both sides were hurt. There was no meaningful conversation at the last dinner. In fact, Han Dong-hoon passing took place at that time as well. In addition, the floor leadership and standing committee chairmen are invited to have dinner before the parliamentary audit, but this is not an annual appearance under the Yoon Suk Yeol government, but it did not happen in the past administration. Because the president is the head of the audited organization. However, it is strange that the audit committee, even though it is the ruling party, calls lawmakers to encourage them. Usually, it's done after the inspection. I had a hard time during the parliamentary inspection. It's a justification to encourage the ruling party ahead of the parliamentary inspection, and in fact, to crack down on votes on the Kim Gun-hee Special Prosecutor Act, except for Han Dong-hoon. I think he is making the will of President Lee's office explicit. In the future, I have no possibility of any meaningful solitary confinement opening. In a way, it is not the position of the presidential office that recognizes and respects Han Dong-hoon as the leader of the ruling party and guarantees his role, but in a way, it is not the position of the presidential office to take back the leadership, and in a way, I thought that I would almost go to such a situation as "Stop it if you want to quit." It seems that Han Dong-hoon is in a very difficult situation to see how he can have leadership within the ruling party.

[Anchor]
In the midst of this, there was a report that made the presidential office and representative Han Dong-hoon grow further apart, and that was last night. It's progressive YouTube. Seoul's Voice reported exclusively, and former senior administrator Kim Dae-nam's office reported against candidate Han Dong-hoon ahead of the national convention in July. This is Seoul's Voice claim that it is intervening in the party's leadership race. What is this specifically about? First, can you explain it to me, Senator Park?

[Park Won-seok]
First of all, the strange thing is that Kim Dae-nam is a senior administrator in the presidential office, and Seoul's Voice reporter Lee Myung-soo is the one who caused a stir once before the presidential election due to the transcript of Kim Gun-hee. Knowing that, I don't understand that I've had that kind of conversation with the reporter who's in charge for months. And if you look at what Kim Dae-nam, the administrator, said, "Anyway, I mobilized civic groups to file complaints with the media, and ordered them to file complaints." It also includes saying that First Lady Kim Gun-hee is rolling up her sleeves to put someone in the nomination for the general election, and finally, attacking Representative Han Dong-hoon with this issue, and buying a reporter. First of all, I wonder what he thought of doing that.

[Anchor]
First of all, what it was about was the People's Power National Convention in July, when Kim Dae-nam, a senior administrator, spoke with Seoul's Voice reporter. Just before that, I talked about the general election in April, and Han was the chairman of the emergency committee, and he should use the party expenses to be used for the general election poll at that time, and since it is before the general election, he should use it as a general election poll. But he did a poll on his own presidential awareness, with the party's expenses. That's the argument of former administrator Kim Dae-nam. on this telephone transcript

[Strict Management]
So, this incident was exploded in various ways during the national convention. For example, during the national convention, there was an atmosphere in Yongsan's presidential office that was not pleased with representative Han Dong-hoon. There was one big stem. And some argued that Na Kyung-won should be supported. On the other hand, he should support former Land Minister Won Hee-ryong. So, there was this atmosphere in Yongsan. As you said, Kim Dae-nam, a former senior administrator, continued his activities, such as supporting Na Kyung-won, and as Kim Gun-hee intended, he called her a kind of true name. However, in the process, I talked to reporter Lee Myung-soo of Sound of Seoul in this way toward attacking Han Dong-hoon, chairman of the emergency committee at the time. However, senior administrator Kim Dae-nam and reporter Lee Myung-soo are from Gangwon-do. And Gangwon-do pro-Yoon-gye lawmakers often appear here. Gangwon-do and Jeju-do are very close apart from the party. In fact, other regions are divided by party, but Gangwon-do and Jeju-do are small, so we have a very close exchange because there are few people, and reporter Lee Myung-soo recorded and released what he said comfortably in the process.

[Anchor]
So, after this report came out last night, representative Han Dong-hoon and close lawmakers are strongly protesting, and in the meantime, Vice-President of the Organization Kim Jong-hyuk is close. We need to find out who's behind it, Supreme Council member Kim Jong-hyuk. It is said that the people behind it should be identified, but this is not just a matter of one senior administrator, but it is behind it. That's the kind of argument.

[Park Won-seok]
That's because there's a reason. Administrator Kim Dae-nam provided the sauce to reporter Lee Myung-soo and told him to attack with this. It came out as an article in the media called Sound of Seoul. With the budget of the Yeouido Institute, 7 billion won was mobilized for self-polls, not party polls.
But the amount was wrong and it was a normal party poll, and the first time the question was raised was the white paper team in the general election. And only the white paper members of the general election knew about it, but it was delivered to a specific online media through the presidential office administrator, and it was published in an article two days later. And with that, another candidate who was a primary candidate attacks candidate Han Dong-hoon, and at the debate. Because it went on like a piece of art.

[Anchor]
So you're saying the general election white paper team is behind you?

[Park Won-seok]
That's not it. What administrator Kim Dae-nam is saying there is that Kim Gun-hee is about to die because of Han Dong-hoon, and he will like it if the sound of Seoul attacks with this. I'm referring to this. Therefore, I don't know whether Kim Dae-nam's request is good or not, but it was an open fact that Kim Gun-hee was uncomfortable with candidate Han Dong-hoon at the time, but it was announced through that transcript that it had gone beyond that to attack Han Dong-hoon, and this is a very outdated political maneuver in the past that is taking place within the ruling party. Not even against the opposition. Rather, it seems that the opposition party is now in a position to worry about the party-government conflict and the Yoon-Han conflict within the ruling party.

[Anchor]
So, Kim Dae-nam, the former administrator, said shortly after the report came out that he was not in that position, that it was not true, and he was concerned about the impact on the relationship between the government and the government. What do you think? Will this affect the relationship between the government and the government? How do you see it?

[Strict Management]
But I think it's too much to describe it as a political maneuver. Former senior administrator Kim Dae-nam went overboard. So, I refer to Mrs. Kim Gun-hee as a reference and talk about this and that to a reporter from Seoul who is from the same hometown, and apply for candidates running for the party leader, and that's what I see. I think it's a personal deviation. And at that time, Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok made several strict orders. So don't interfere in the race. Publicly and privately, I gave strict orders several times. And the situation at the time was not a situation that could be changed just because the presidential office in Yongsan or Mrs. Kim Gun-hee intervened. So, even if the approval ratings of former Minister Won Hee-ryong or Representative Na Kyung-won were combined, they never exceeded candidate Han Dong-hoon. So in that respect, I think individual deviations are wrapped up in political maneuvering. And if you have to find the person behind it, I think the sound of Seoul is behind it. So far, isn't the sound of Seoul continuously revealing such facts related to Mrs. Kim Gun-hee and making it an issue? I'm making money through YouTube. I'm going to look at this from this perspective, and I can't say that there's no such maneuvering, but it's a political maneuver to a public party.

[Anchor]
I see.

[Park Won-seok]
It's a serious distortion of causality, and it's Kim Dae-nam, the administrator, who said what he can't say to the sound of Seoul. But how can the sound of Seoul be behind it? Of course, how much public confidence and responsibility the media of Seoul is. This is a different kettle of fish!. However, an incumbent Cheong Wa Dae administrator called and started with remarks that seemed to disparage the president, and the first lady is rolling up her sleeves to nominate someone. And attack Han Dong-hoon with this, a former public official said this. But how is the sound of Seoul behind it?

[Anchor]
I see. First of all, the exclusive report came out yesterday and the wavelength began to spread today, but it seems that it will last for a few days. Let's keep an eye on it. Today, we continued a sit-in protest calling for the acceptance of controversial bills, including the Democratic Party of Korea, the Special Prosecutor Act on Chae Sang-byung, and the Special Prosecutor Act on First Lady Kim Gun-hee. We'll be back after hearing about it.

[Han Min-soo / Minjoo Party spokesman: A security posture is not something that can be achieved by mobilizing military assets to show off on a march. You must remember the sacrifices of Marines who failed to return to their family's arms. ]

[Jeon Hyun-hee / Rep. of the Democratic Party of Korea (SBS Radio 'Kim Tae-hyun's Political Show'): (To the ruling party, let's take this time to get rid of the Kim Gun-hee independent counsel law, and I understand that there are many lawmakers who are worried that the government can be in danger without resolving the issue somehow. ]

[Anchor]
While the conflict between the government and the government has yet to be resolved, the Bilateral Special Prosecutor Act, the Special Prosecutor Act on First Lady Kim Gun-hee, and the Special Prosecutor Act on Chae Sang-byung are on the rise right now. The focus of attention right now is that the president's veto is scheduled anyway, and will this be a departure vote when it is re-voted? From the power of the people. That's what I'm most interested in right now. What do you think about that?

[Strict Management]
I'm just holding a sit-in protest in relation to the Kim Gun-hee Special Prosecutor Act. I think it's the Democratic version of the lamb meat for that. So, I have no choice but to put the phrase "people's livelihood" on the sign and say that in reality, they are doing their best to attack Kim Gun-hee. In fact, no other country in the world has ever created and implemented a special prosecution law for a sitting first lady. Anyway, for one reason or another, I won't be that big of a leave vote for the time being. Even if we vote again, we expect it to be rejected without much difficulty. Of course, public opinion could change. So, there are two by-elections in October, and next month, isn't there two first-judgment sentences for representative Lee Jae-myung? So, I believe that there may be another public opinion next year depending on how the direction of public opinion changes through these things.

[Anchor]
So, there are constant voices calling for an apology from Mrs. Kim, especially among the close circle, so I think there are many experts who are talking about it by connecting the departure vote.

[Park Won-seok]
I don't think it's enough to get a leave vote yet. So, there could be a partial leave vote.The possibility of a re-decision being passed as a result does not seem so great at this time. When you look at the impeachment during the Park Geun Hye administration in the past, there are signs when such a move is systematically made. Even at that time, there was no choice but to impeach the non-Park faction. There was a flow of organizing it. However, although I am concerned and worried within the power of the people, the flow that the independent counsel law has no choice but to pass is not organized. If it is being organized, the voice calling for Kim Gun-hee's apology should be expressed more systematically, but now there are sporadic voices and some say that they should not apologize, so it will be a rejection in a chaotic situation, but even if it is rejected, there is a possibility that the issue will emerge again. I don't really understand why the Democrats rush to vote again right away. In fact, since there is a parliamentary audit, it will be Kim Gun-hee's parliamentary inspection anyway, and various new revelations can come out and issues can emerge, but if you vote, you will veto it again and then the re-decision will be rejected, and this will be repeated. In a more way, it would be good to try to re-decide by looking at public opinion, but I think the Democratic Party of Korea has its own different judgment.

[Anchor]
You're in a hurry. I'll do it on Saturday.

[Park Won-seok]
However, in the current situation, there will be a partial departure vote when it is re-decided, but it seems unlikely to be approved.

[Anchor]
I'll talk about one last topic today. CEO Lee Jae-myung's alleged perjury teacher was judged in the first trial, and the prosecution demanded a three-year prison term, but today he shared the entire recording file, asking him to judge whether Lee Jae-myung is a perjury teacher. I think it's about 30 minutes long. It was revealed in court. The prosecution continues to insist that it was squeezed.

[Strict Management]
But in this case, the arrest warrant was rejected last September, and the judge said that at the time. The charges are cleared. That's what I said. So, one of the key figures is Kim Jin-sung and Kim Byung-ryang, the former secretary of Seongnam Mayor, who received eight months last October or last year. So, you've perjured yourself. As I acknowledge this, the case seems to be very complicated. From this point of view, the allegations of Lee Jae-myung's perjury teacher are very clear. That's what I think.

[Anchor]
He admitted that he had perjured himself.

[Strict Management]
That's right. Then he was sentenced to eight months in prison. This itself is a court admission of perjury teacher charges. In this way, the problem of Lee Jae-myung's representative perjury teacher emerged in earnest.

[Anchor]
So there are two sentences in November. Another thing about the election law is about perjury teachers. It is said that the outcome of the sentence in November will be a watershed moment in judicial risk, what about you, Park?

[Park Won-seok]
Well, I think it's very difficult to predict the outcome of the judgment. According to the prosecution's sentence, the highest sentence of the legal sentencing standard was sought, including the last election law violation case and the perjury teacher case this time. I think they judge that there is a reason for this. Representative Lee Jae-myung did not admit to the crime, nor did he reflect on himself after that. Usually, such reasons are the reasons for the reduction, but there is no reason to deny or reflect on the crime. Judging from the aggravated reason, the prosecution seems to be asking for the maximum sentence, but it seems that the prosecution and Chairman Lee Jae-myung or the Democratic Party of Korea have made such a strong sentence, including a certain confrontation like a war. What can be considered a little unfair from CEO Lee Jae-myung's point of view is that this was not originally investigated by the prosecution. So, while investigating the Baekhyun-dong and Daejang-dong cases, a perjury teacher case suddenly began to appear when they were being tried before the election through a kind of separate investigation. In a way, the prosecution's bad practices were revealed once again through the perjury teacher case, but Kim Jin-sung, the person involved, admitted that I had perjury, and the transcript was released, and sent a summary of the argument to Telegram. They point out that legal professionals are the behavior of typical perjury teachers. So the situation seems very unfavorable right now. highly likely to plead guilty In terms of sentencing, are you guilty or innocent? If you're not innocent, in a way, the loss of your seat is, of course, the first trial.Ma is likely to receive such a sentence that could lead to the loss of his parliamentary seat. The same goes for election laws. In that sense, representative Lee Jae-myung's judicial risk, which has been under the surface for a while, is coming back to the surface. I think it's a situation where representative Lee Jae-myung or the Democratic Party of Korea cannot help but be concerned.

[Anchor]
It will take a considerable amount of time for the final trial to come out, and no one can predict whether it's before or after the presidential election, but do you think there will be some repercussions just with the first trial sentence, director?

[Strict Management]
That's right. As you said earlier, there are two things. When it comes to election law violations, there are two things. One is, did you know the late Director Kim Moon-ki or not? There are two official documents: the Korea Food Research Institute and the Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport. If only one of them is recognized, I think the first trial sentence will be about 3 million won. As for the second perjury teacher, the court has recently punished perjury teachers very strongly rather than perjury. In that sense, I asked for three years, but the prosecution recently announced it. Nearly 90% of the sentences are suspended or higher. In that sense, I'm expecting a two-year probation.

[Anchor]
I see. Let's stop listening to what you said today. I was with Eom Kyung-young, head of the Institute for Psychological Research in the Era, and Park Won-seok, a former lawmaker of the Justice Party. Thank you.