[Trying to correct the situation] President Yoon's impeachment vote D-1...Will Han Dong-hoon's leadership 'collapse'?
■ Host: Kim Sun-young Anchor
■ Appearance: Kim Jin, former Editorial Writer at JoongAng Ilbo, Choi Chang-ryul, Special Professor at Yongin University
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[Anchor]
Political commentary with a living angle, let's start at the minute. Today, Kim Jin, a former editorial writer of the JoongAng Ilbo, and Choi Chang-ryul, a special professor at Yongin University, are here. Welcome. Ahead of the second impeachment vote, the people's power is now in internal strife. Let's watch the video. The vote is a day away, and as you can see now, the power of the people is in internal strife. Representative Han Dong-hoon held a kind of political game yesterday ahead of the impeachment vote. Please approve of impeachment. President Yoon Suk Yeol expressed his position that he should leave the party, what did you think?
[Kim Jin]
It's an inevitable last-ditch move for CEO Han Dong-hoon. So far, first against martial law, then against impeachment. I'm for impeachment again. And I'm against impeachment again. I'm in favor of impeachment again this time. When I calculated it, I went back and forth for the fourth time. If we go back and forth or go back and forth here, representative Han Dong-hoon's political life is almost very dangerous in my view. Before President Yoon's statement to the public, his approval for impeachment was announced.Ma had previously been the most shocking cases from the rebellion investigation. In particular, the commander of the Special Forces Command told President Yoon to break the door and bring out lawmakers. And the president directs police chief Jo Ji-ho to block and arrest lawmakers. Things like this. So CEO Han Dong-hoon has already gone back and forth four times and everything has become irreversible. That's why I made that decision. I think that the decision of representative Han Dong-hoon has already crossed the Rubicon River in a situation where the people's power is approved because the majority vote in favor of impeachment in tomorrow's vote.
[Anchor]
How many do you think it's going to be Chansung?
[Kim Jin]
So far, even anonymous lawmakers have expressed their support for the Dong-A Ilbo report, and eight votes have already been met. On top of that, there are about 20 members of the People's Power who agreed that President Yoon Suk Yeol should conduct a permanent special prosecution because he is accused of rebellion. And 18 people followed CEO Han Dong-hoon's will when martial law was lifted. And 34 lawmakers voted for floor leader Kim Tae-ho, who insisted on free voting. Then on the middle edge...
[Anchor]
Will there be about 20 people?
[Kim Jin]
I think that ticket is also possible. Already voted for impeachment and more than 10 people, this seems to be almost a fait accompli. Furthermore, looking at the atmosphere of tomorrow in many ways, it is not an impossible number for the anchor to talk about 20 or so. This is how you judge it.
[Anchor]
It can be said that the power situation of the people fluctuated yesterday, but there is a graphic that we organized by time. I think it would be nice if you could show me. Please show us when you're ready. Yesterday morning, the situation turned quite tense, and representative Han Dong-hoon held a meeting after the press conference and expressed his position that the president should leave the party. As you have seen, there are voices from the pro-Yoon world protesting, saying, "Is it Han Dong-hoon's private party?" How did you hear that?
[Choi Chang Ryul]
Chin-yoon is too far from the power of the people. I don't think I should use the word Chin Yoon either. There is an overwhelming majority of the people who think they are accused of rebellion against President Yoon, and as they say now, they should approve of impeachment. That's how you see it, and that's the public sentiment. Of course, there are people who oppose it, but in this situation, the new floor leader Kwon Sung-dong should oppose impeachment, I can't understand it. the president's statement yesterday morning That's the decisive thing, but it doesn't mean that lawmaker Cho Kyung-tae is Yoon. I even think of the name of the president of Yoon Suk Yeol. In this situation, the ruling party hates the party to dedicate the government to Chairman Lee Jae-myung. That's the problem. There is nothing I can do. The issue and the declaration of emergency martial law are too anti-constitutional. The ruling party continues to oppose impeachment because it doesn't want to give power to the opposition party in a situation that violates the law and is accused of rebellion? It is simply the destruction of conservatism. The remuneration can't ask for a ticket. First of all, in this situation, you follow the public sentiment and see exactly what violated the Constitution, and you're the leader of the people, leaving the ruling party. After doing so, the conservative must completely apologize to the people, forgive them, and be reborn. Then it's worth a game. I don't know. Because there are a lot of variables. But there is a high possibility that he will donate to CEO Lee Jae-myung unconditionally, so let's oppose impeachment? Where is this logic? I think lawmakers should reflect on themselves a lot. I can't help but say that I am too far from the people and the public.
[Anchor]
Representative Han Dong-hoon insisted yesterday on the expulsion and expulsion of the president of Yoon Suk Yeol. The ethics committee said it would consider it, so how do you see it? Do you think it will be a reason for disciplinary action?
[Kim Jin]
I think the reason for disciplinary action is satisfied. By committing a false emergency martial law that consequently destroyed the constitutional order, it caused national chaos, causing fatal corruption to the party. Isn't this logic virtually self-evident? And if you look at the precedent, after President Park Geun Hye was impeached, the leader of Hong Joon Pyo led the Liberty Korea Party to oust President Park. However, various logics and facts surrounding the current impeachment of President Yoon are much clearer than the controversy surrounding the reasons for Park's impeachment. Therefore, in light of the precedent, there is no justification not to take action against Yoon Suk Yeol's actions.
And in reality, Han Dong-hoon said President Yoon Suk Yeol would leave it to our party in a statement before, and from Yoon Suk Yeol's point of view, he wants to get out of the crisis by relying on pro-Yoon-gye within the party, fixed supporters of him estimated at around 20 percent outside the party, and these forces. I have no choice but to hang up. That way, the pressure to resign or the offensive will be blocked. Once elected, the pro-Yoon system will weaken its position to protect President Yoon because the power of the people will be reduced to the opposition party, not the ruling party. I'm going to make this judgment.
[Anchor]
Do you think there is no possibility of President Yoon voluntarily leaving the party?
[Kim Jin] I see that there's no
. It is highly unlikely that the president will voluntarily leave the party because he has refused to resign and now relies heavily on pro-Yoon-gye, who supports his logic.
[Anchor]
It's not a defection, but if you want to leave, you have to leave the party, so this is how you see it. Yesterday, just before the election of the floor leader of the People's Power, President Yoon Suk Yeol's statement came out, and there were various interpretations of that point. At the time of Kwon Sung-dong, who was about to run for floor leader, it was before he became floor leader. Gentleman was also quite embarrassed. That image was captured on camera. Let's take a look together. I don't think the image I wanted to see has been edited. Floor leader Kwon Sung-dong was caught looking at the presidential statement in Yoon Suk Yeol and seemed to be embarrassed. This became a hot topic, but looking at this, does that mean President Yoon Suk Yeol doesn't communicate properly with the pro-Yoon-gye? There were many people who doubted that.
[Choi Chang Ryul]
I think I probably didn't talk about it before the announcement. Some say that the president himself wrote it. I don't think I would've talked to my friend either. Yesterday's conversation seems to have already been a few days, but I thought it was a Haya conversation because I was going to present a conversation. I don't know anything about President Yoon. I've never felt a shock like yesterday in my whole life. Martial law was on December 3rd. I was shocked at that time, but yesterday's conversation was even more shocking. I said that the first thing that comes out is to defend the opposition party. I don't understand it at all. Perhaps Kwon Sung-dong didn't know that such a discourse would come out. I saw that expression, too. How can I do this? I think it's that kind of expression. I don't know exactly. So, I'm talking about yesterday's statement and Kim Jin as well.Ma thinks it's a kind of political message to die-hard supporters.
[Anchor]
You're looking at that screen right now. Why do we talk before the floor leader election? It's this kind of expression.
[Choi Chang Ryul]
Yesterday's statement was based on a consistent logic because the president thought so, but it was based on the premise that impeachment was passed. There will probably be considerable confusion on both sides after the impeachment. Park Geun Hye You saw it during the impeachment of former President. I think it provided a logic for the diehard supporters, the so-called hard-right conservatives. From their point of view, they can oppose it for this reason. It could sound like this. It provides such logic and serves as a point of argument for yourself. I think yesterday's contents are multi-purpose. It was beyond my imagination. Of course, floor leader Kwon Sung-dong was on the verge of becoming floor leader yesterday. It must be so ridiculous, how can you do this? I'm talking calmly because time has passed. I'm sure many people were surprised yesterday. I read an editorial in a newspaper today and found that he used extreme terms. He even wrote that it's a self-deception. The president is trying to push this part to the end, but he seems to be thinking of dismissing it in the impeachment trial. That's why I think I'm going to fight.
[Anchor]
Floor leader Kwon Sung-dong was elected as a pro-Yoon-gye anyway, but he took the key of the floor. First of all, the rejection is the party's theory, but I heard that more than two-thirds need to agree to change this, is it possible?
[Kim Jin]
I don't think it's going to be easy. Because out of 108 lawmakers, 72 are two-thirds. However, 34 votes supported floor leader Kim Tae-ho. So, I don't think the quorum needed for the change of party theory will be possible. However, representative Kwon Sung-dong opposes the free vote and emphasizes a single confrontation.Can Ma stick to what is called a collective exit like last time? I think that's quite difficult, too. Even if the general meeting of the lawmakers decides to leave the group, the number of lawmakers who want to freely vote against it is now more than 10 and close to 20, so the collective exit will not be practical even if opinions are gathered. It is difficult to change the party line, but there will be little way to prevent a free vote.
[Anchor]
Then, tomorrow's situation is practically difficult to maintain a single response.
[Kim Jin]
The unitary confrontation mentioned by representative Kwon is to maintain the opposition party's theory. Free voting becomes virtually impossible to prevent. Since there are about 10 lawmakers who have declared that they will vote freely, they will keep face but not prevent the trend.
[Anchor]
Those who saw the atmosphere of yesterday's general meeting have this suspicion. Whether the Han Dong-hoon system will be able to go with floor leader Kwon Sung-dong is also of interest. Depending on whether it is impeachment or rejection, there will be variables in this area. Let's hear from the close community how they see this problem now.
[Anchor]
Let's start with Kim Jong-hyuk, the supreme council member. Will the leadership be able to be maintained anyway? If even a close Supreme Council member Jang Dong-hyuk resigns from his position with the top members of the pro-Yoon faction, representative Han Dong-hoon will be pulled down because it will effectively collapse. Supreme Council member Jang Dong-hyuk said that he changed his position, saying that the situation has changed. How do you see this?
[Choi Chang Ryul]
Jang Dong-hyuk was the best last weekend. He said that if the impeachment is passed, he will resign as a supreme council member. It's changed. It comes out on the screen. It's been changed since yesterday's statement, but Jang Dong-hyuk's position has changed a lot.
Hard to understand.
[Anchor]
The situation is difficult.
[Choi Chang Ryul]
Even if it's hard, it's hard, so as lawmakers, they'll think about their own political future. How can you stop that when you're a person? Even so, this situation is different from the political turmoil of other times. The president invaded the National Assembly by mobilizing the military, but it was broadcast live in real time, so what would you understand? I just don't understand the people's power lawmakers. Since reality is real, the best Jang Dong-hyuk has changed his position, so there is little possibility that Han Dong-hoon's leadership will collapse at the moment. There are three people who are close to Yun.
Kim Min-jeon and Kim Jae-won are the top three. There are five people on this side, so if the best Jang Dong-hyuk turns around and resigns, the leadership will collapse. The leadership will collapse, I don't think so. How many times has it been apart from such a problem? It's been several times that a representative has been thrown out by Chin-yoon and by the presidential office. And weren't you trying to give up a lot in the process of a representative coming in as the emergency committee chairman last December and being elected as the party leader? However, even in this situation, this situation is truly unprecedented in the history of the Constitution. Even in this situation where the president is booked as a suspect, pro-Yoon is trying to drive out the party leader. CEO Han Dong-hoon's words represent the general public. I can't do this anymore. I was announcing that position before the presidential statement yesterday, and the statement came out. And then after the conversation, I said, "I can't do this." After that, however, after becoming the floor leader of Kwon Sung-dong, he said that Chin-yoon would break the leadership, and former Supreme Council member Kim Min said this. I can't understand it at all. Then, I told you earlier.There's no room for a dry repair. How can you ask the people for a ticket?
[Anchor]
However, if the party's opinion is voted down by impeachment in the People's Power today, and if it is passed tomorrow, there is already talk that the pro-Yoon community could put more pressure on Han Dong-hoon to resign.
[Kim Jin]
I don't expect those things to accelerate or get movement. First of all, when impeachment is passed tomorrow, the size of the votes that deviate from the people's power will be a variable to a large extent. If there are 20 votes close or more than 20 votes left, I think the weight will shift considerably toward representative Han Dong-hoon.
[Anchor]
Will it be energized?
[Kim Jin]
A social atmosphere before and after the impeachment vote. The scale of tomorrow's Yeouido rally. And public reaction, media reports and other reasons have really heated up the impeachment fervor caused by President Yoon Suk Yeol's misguided recent public statement, so if the impeachment is carried out on that scale, representative Han Dong-hoon will take the lead. a general trend of public opinion And realistically, why did pro-Yoon-gye vote for impeachment now? This is the responsibility of Han Dong-hoon, the logical structure to drive in this way is quite weak. Representative Han Dong-hoon is not even the floor leader, and the influence of the outside representative on the floor members cannot be absolute.
This is why it is in favor of lawmakers' free vote. This weakens the basis for pro-Yoon to raise the claim of responsibility against representative Han Dong-hoon. And I've been arguing ever since the beginning of the situation.This is not the only variable in the party's dynamics. If the investigation into the rebellion is accelerated and there is talk of an arrest warrant for the president and impeachment is passed tomorrow, the president should be investigated while staying at his Hannam-dong residence. Then you're much more likely to get an arrest warrant after you're impeached than you are in office. The president is investigated for treason, arrested, and an arrest warrant is called, but the pro-Yoon-gye attacks representative Han Dong-hoon with the logic of simply supporting President Yoon? I think the leadership will collapse if Supreme Council member Jang Dong-hyuk turns around and four or more members of the elected youth committee approve, but if he resigns. However, Supreme Council member Jin Jong-oh is in favor of impeachment. It is said that Jang Dong-hyuk, the supreme council member, has turned around. I don't know about former Supreme Council members Kim Jae-won and Kim Min, but I think it is unlikely that Supreme Council members In Yo-han will resign and participate in the collapse of representative Han Dong-hoon's leadership.
[Anchor]
Is the Supreme Council member In Yo-han not going to agree?
[Kim Jin]
There's a high possibility that you won't sympathize. And above all, it is unlikely that CEO Han Dong-hoon's position in the cause, reality, or trend will be greatly shaken.
[Anchor]
Looking at the situation of yesterday's parliamentary meeting, there was no choice but to say that the party would break up like that. Rep. Park Ji-won is also likely to be split. That's what I said. Let's listen to it. Even during the impeachment of former President Park Geun Hye, there is no law that says it will not be possible again this time because he took the steps of Bundang.
[Choi Chang Ryul]
But then, after a considerable period of time, it was December 9th. The tablet PC was reported on October 24. It's fast now, because it's so important. December 3rd was the emergency martial law and tomorrow is December 14th, so the impeachment will take place in 10 days. The impeachment vote failed last Saturday. In this situation, there were 234 votes in 2016. At that time, it was generally said that it would get more than 200 votes, but it was quite a lot. That's what they said at first.I think Ma will come out quite a lot. I'm talking about eight votes away, but that's meaningless. There is a possibility that a significant number of lawmakers will participate. After the impeachment was passed, I think it will be difficult to go with the idea of pro-yoon. The impeachment will be passed and the situation will be cleared. An impeachment trial will be conducted in accordance with the constitutional process and an acting president will be appointed.Will Ma be able to go with that kind of mindset and awareness? I think I'd better break up. It's right to break up and return to the original form of the conservative, and that's not what the conservative looks like. How can you look like that when you camouflage the maintenance and wrap it up as maintenance? Is it conservative to support and protect the president, who has been identified as a so-called insurrectionist by mobilizing the military and giving instructions to storm the country? Is that protecting the country? It's not logical.
[Kim Jin]
I think the possibility of Bundang is very low. First of all, during the impeachment of the Park Geun Hye, people like Kim Moo-sung and Kim Yoo Seung Min, who are pro-impeachment, left the party because they said there was no possibility. So I created the Bareun Party. This time, the pro-impeachment group is a close relationship led by representative Han Dong-hoon. Many of the people in close relationships are proportional representatives. The proportional representative will not leave the party because he or she will lose his or her seat if he or she leaves the party. Then if you say you're going to split up, pro-Yoon-gye should leave the party. As the pro-Yoon-gye impeachment is passed tomorrow, the Constitutional Court's hearing begins, and the investigation into the rebellion is accelerated, there are more controversies within the right wing over whether the president should be impeached with this issue during the Park Geun Hye. However, as time goes by, impeachment was very inevitable, and public opinion is rising that the power of the people was good in favor of impeachment, so the Yeongnam region, where the majority of pro-Yoon-gye is located, and Gangnam, Seocho, and Songpa in Seoul are now opposing impeachment because enthusiastic party members should never support impeachment in their constituencies. So, even if it is impeached, it is because he has to show that he opposed it as much as possible in the general election of the National Assembly in three years, and that has changed over time, and more than 70% of the votes in favor of impeachment are now in the Yeongnam region, following TK. So, I think the possibility of pro-Yoon-gye running out is very low.
[Anchor]
I think we should give this question to Kim Jin, but it was claimed by Vice-President Shin Ji-ho and we didn't confirm it. There is a witness who heard the call that conservative YouTubers, or pro-yoon conservative YouTube, are in Yongsan, raising this suspicion. Even before, opposition parties said, "Isn't the president too obsessed with far-right YouTubers or addicted?" In this position, what would some public opinion on far-right YouTube say that President Yoon Suk Yeol is still moving his mind a lot? It's under control, do you think there's such a phenomenon?
[Kim Jin]
I think so. One of the clear evidence is that the two representative cases in which the right has lost a lot of people's trust, as I said last time, were incorrectly claimed that North Korean special forces were deployed during May 18. And the conspiracy theory that the parliamentary general election four years ago was rigged. These two are representative, especially a few hardline agitating right-wing YouTubers who spread and claimed both after death. They're far-right YouTubers. President Yoon talked about the election watchdog in his speech to the public yesterday and told Lee Joon-seok that he tried to rob the election watchdog when he was the prosecutor general. The things that I said I was sorry that I couldn't do were all rejected and dismissed by the court for incendiary remarks by some of the wrong far-right YouTubers, and about 100 cases of fraudulent elections. And even though more than 60 cases and 60 cases of fraudulent elections were found to be untrue by the NEC and related media organizations, this is the same as President Moon Jae In's nuclear power plant and nuclear power plant policy after watching a science fiction disaster movie. Therefore, it was also revealed in the public statement that it is still being affected.
[Anchor]
It's a suspicion raised by Vice-President Shin Ji-ho, so we'll tell you more about this in more detail as soon as we confirm the facts later.
[Kim Jin]
I won't be in Yongsan. Because it will not be in the official residence of Hannam-dong in Yongsan, nor will it be in the presidential office of Yongsan. If there is, it means that it is on the edge of Yongsan. How can a YouTuber enter the official residence and the presidential office?
[Anchor]
In any case, the political community has reported that there are concerns that the president is too influenced by far-right YouTubers. Floor leader Kwon Sung-dong paid a courtesy call to National Assembly Speaker Woo Won-sik today. Let's listen to what kind of stories we've been talking about for a while.
[Anchor]
Secretary of Defense, the impeachment is an impeachment, and even if it is passed, the state administration has to go back, so please cooperate on the urgent part. What did you think about that?
[Choi Chang Ryul]
It is undesirable that the ministerial office is too empty. But if the president is impeached tomorrow, his duties will be suspended. But before that, he said he was going to appoint Choi Byung-hyuk, the ambassador to Saudi Arabia, but he refused. Representative Han Ki-ho is also talking about that, so it is hasty for the president to try to appoint him in this impeachment phase. If you look at it in a very formal logic, you're exercising your authority because you're maintaining the presidency. You can't argue with that because it's an exercise of authority.The reality of "ma" exists like this. But in this situation, the president is going to appoint it? It's inappropriate for anyone to see. What floor leader Kwon Sung-dong said is completely principled. So, first, the impeachment phase passed and then the acting president came in. Under such circumstances, we have to go through various procedures and consult with the opposition. The opposition party does not have the right to appoint and dismiss.
[Anchor]
It is said that the members of the State Council will be impeached one after another.
[Choi Chang Ryul]
However, if the opposition party excessively impeaches a member of the State Council, the Cabinet could collapse later. In other words, the number of Cabinet members must be 11 to become a quorum. Does that mean we're going to impeach 4 or 5 people? Then there are about 15 people now, and if they impeach more later. The Cabinet meeting may not be established. So the opposition needs to take that into account as well. Of course, a Cabinet meeting can be held to raise questions about not actively preventing it before impeachment. But you're going to impeach them all? It is a separate matter. I think the opposition needs to refrain, too.
[Anchor]
In any case, even if impeachment is passed, the ruling and opposition parties have no choice but to sit face to face at the negotiating table, and this morning, Democratic Party Chairman Lee Jae-myung made a statement saying that lawmakers of the People's Power should participate in the vote. Let's listen to that voice, too. A day before the second round of impeachment, please vote yes. I delivered the appeal of CEO Lee Jae-myung. Regarding representative Lee Jae-myung, there are many voices against whether lawmakers should directly prevent representative Lee Jae-myung from becoming president from the power of the people, and whether it would be permission for the public to connect this part to impeachment. What do you think?
[Kim Jin]
The anti-impeachment logic of the people's power is not realistic. First of all, the case where the president committed an extremely serious act of destruction of constitutional order and is being investigated for rebellion is judged on the case and voted for impeachment, and that's the line. Afterwards, what's secondary is what the Constitutional Court decides and how the presidential election is conducted according to the decision. During that period, will the Supreme Court make a final judgment on the second and third trials? These are all things that fall afterwards, secondary things. So, what the people's power did decisively wrong was that they were caught up in later logic and abandoned the cause of good. Even if an early presidential election takes place and fights, the position and logic of the people's power will be greatly weakened. Now, in the end, everything will be decided tomorrow anyway, and then all that remains for the power of the people is to accept impeachment and go to the early presidential election.
[Anchor]
Regarding representative Lee Jae-myung, a judge who acquitted representative Lee Jae-myung in connection with the martial law incident was also on the arrest list, which is now known. How do you see that part?
[Choi Chang Ryul]
If that's true, the 13-member list is already out. Besides that, I'm not saying that the judge went in again.
[Anchor]
There was a list of judges beyond politicians.
[Choi Chang Ryul]
You're talking about Judge Kim Dong-hyun, who acquitted CEO Lee Jae-myung, not guilty of perjury. November 25th. But if that's true, the president's perception is virtually unconvincing. Looking at it just now, it's about Kim Eo Jun.There is also a report that Ma told CEO Han Dong-hoon to be killed, which doesn't seem to make sense. If it was to that extent... So it doesn't make sense that this was a warning to prevent the opposition party from rioting and normalize state affairs. What does it have to do with arresting those people and warning them? Arresting a judge? So now, President Yoon seems to have practiced martial law with the thought of removing the extreme hatred toward political opponents. in various circumstances So for me, these parts are related to representative Lee Jae-myung, and the presidential election is the presidential election. There will be an early presidential election. It's a given. It's just that you don't know how long the impeachment trial will last, and if it becomes an impeachment trial in the meantime, the president will be fired. You have to hold a presidential election within that 60 days. It's a constitutional clause. Then we have quite a bit of time until then.
It's not likely to split up, but it's better to split up. Be a new conservative. That way, I can ask for a ticket. That's what I said earlier. So for me, there will be a second trial for CEO Lee Jae-myung. the Public Official Election Act and perjury teachers I haven't even done the first trial yet. It could come true. From what I can see, the Supreme Court's decision yesterday was the same, so the court seems to be trying to go according to the schedule without considering the ruling and opposition parties.
[Anchor]
Judicial proceedings follow the rules?
[Choi Chang Ryul]
It's right to go as it is. In this situation, the opposition leader and overwhelming presidential candidate will postpone the second trial? You shouldn't do that. Impeachment goes according to impeachment, and the president is suspended as president and waits for judgment. The acting president's work report This is a stable order according to the constitutional procedure. And there should be a trial against representative Lee Jae-myung. If the court delays it like this, I think it could face another headwind.
[Anchor]
The prosecution and police investigation is running so urgently that it is difficult to predict a day later, and it has been confirmed that the prosecution confiscated Myung Tae-kyun's so-called golden phone and the cell phone used by Myung Tae-kyun during the election. When this golden phone is opened, another phase can be opened, there are talks like this.
[Kim Jin]
In the first round, it will have a large impact on the investigation of Kim Gun-hee. Kim Gun-hee's independent counsel law was passed in the first round of voting. Then, if President Yoon is impeached tomorrow. So the acting prime minister will take over. Then, when it comes to veto power, you have to make a resolution at the State Council and propose the veto power to the president. The president himself has lost his veto power, and it is highly unlikely that the Cabinet meeting chaired by Prime Minister Han Deok-soo will propose the veto. Then, Kim Gun-hee's special prosecutor will now proceed. Then, if the investigation into Kim Gun-hee's alleged intervention in the nomination process is carried out extensively through the independent counsel, and if Myung Tae-kyun's golden phone is investigated again, the investigation goes beyond Kim Gun-hee and whether President Yoon Suk Yeol is suspected of intervening in the nomination process. But it is not subject to prosecution as a sitting president. It's a crime of rebellion. For example, violations of election laws and political funding laws are not subject to prosecution, but they can be subject to investigation even if they are not prosecuted. Then there is a possibility that the investigation will proceed as well.
[Anchor]
As the police special team reported in breaking news, the president's arrest warrant is also being considered. An urgent situation is expected to unfold in the future. So far, Kim Jin, former editor of the JoongAng Ilbo, and Choi Chang-ryul, a special professor at Yongin University. Thank you.
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[Anchor]
Political commentary with a living angle, let's start at the minute. Today, Kim Jin, a former editorial writer of the JoongAng Ilbo, and Choi Chang-ryul, a special professor at Yongin University, are here. Welcome. Ahead of the second impeachment vote, the people's power is now in internal strife. Let's watch the video. The vote is a day away, and as you can see now, the power of the people is in internal strife. Representative Han Dong-hoon held a kind of political game yesterday ahead of the impeachment vote. Please approve of impeachment. President Yoon Suk Yeol expressed his position that he should leave the party, what did you think?
[Kim Jin]
It's an inevitable last-ditch move for CEO Han Dong-hoon. So far, first against martial law, then against impeachment. I'm for impeachment again. And I'm against impeachment again. I'm in favor of impeachment again this time. When I calculated it, I went back and forth for the fourth time. If we go back and forth or go back and forth here, representative Han Dong-hoon's political life is almost very dangerous in my view. Before President Yoon's statement to the public, his approval for impeachment was announced.Ma had previously been the most shocking cases from the rebellion investigation. In particular, the commander of the Special Forces Command told President Yoon to break the door and bring out lawmakers. And the president directs police chief Jo Ji-ho to block and arrest lawmakers. Things like this. So CEO Han Dong-hoon has already gone back and forth four times and everything has become irreversible. That's why I made that decision. I think that the decision of representative Han Dong-hoon has already crossed the Rubicon River in a situation where the people's power is approved because the majority vote in favor of impeachment in tomorrow's vote.
[Anchor]
How many do you think it's going to be Chansung?
[Kim Jin]
So far, even anonymous lawmakers have expressed their support for the Dong-A Ilbo report, and eight votes have already been met. On top of that, there are about 20 members of the People's Power who agreed that President Yoon Suk Yeol should conduct a permanent special prosecution because he is accused of rebellion. And 18 people followed CEO Han Dong-hoon's will when martial law was lifted. And 34 lawmakers voted for floor leader Kim Tae-ho, who insisted on free voting. Then on the middle edge...
[Anchor]
Will there be about 20 people?
[Kim Jin]
I think that ticket is also possible. Already voted for impeachment and more than 10 people, this seems to be almost a fait accompli. Furthermore, looking at the atmosphere of tomorrow in many ways, it is not an impossible number for the anchor to talk about 20 or so. This is how you judge it.
[Anchor]
It can be said that the power situation of the people fluctuated yesterday, but there is a graphic that we organized by time. I think it would be nice if you could show me. Please show us when you're ready. Yesterday morning, the situation turned quite tense, and representative Han Dong-hoon held a meeting after the press conference and expressed his position that the president should leave the party. As you have seen, there are voices from the pro-Yoon world protesting, saying, "Is it Han Dong-hoon's private party?" How did you hear that?
[Choi Chang Ryul]
Chin-yoon is too far from the power of the people. I don't think I should use the word Chin Yoon either. There is an overwhelming majority of the people who think they are accused of rebellion against President Yoon, and as they say now, they should approve of impeachment. That's how you see it, and that's the public sentiment. Of course, there are people who oppose it, but in this situation, the new floor leader Kwon Sung-dong should oppose impeachment, I can't understand it. the president's statement yesterday morning That's the decisive thing, but it doesn't mean that lawmaker Cho Kyung-tae is Yoon. I even think of the name of the president of Yoon Suk Yeol. In this situation, the ruling party hates the party to dedicate the government to Chairman Lee Jae-myung. That's the problem. There is nothing I can do. The issue and the declaration of emergency martial law are too anti-constitutional. The ruling party continues to oppose impeachment because it doesn't want to give power to the opposition party in a situation that violates the law and is accused of rebellion? It is simply the destruction of conservatism. The remuneration can't ask for a ticket. First of all, in this situation, you follow the public sentiment and see exactly what violated the Constitution, and you're the leader of the people, leaving the ruling party. After doing so, the conservative must completely apologize to the people, forgive them, and be reborn. Then it's worth a game. I don't know. Because there are a lot of variables. But there is a high possibility that he will donate to CEO Lee Jae-myung unconditionally, so let's oppose impeachment? Where is this logic? I think lawmakers should reflect on themselves a lot. I can't help but say that I am too far from the people and the public.
[Anchor]
Representative Han Dong-hoon insisted yesterday on the expulsion and expulsion of the president of Yoon Suk Yeol. The ethics committee said it would consider it, so how do you see it? Do you think it will be a reason for disciplinary action?
[Kim Jin]
I think the reason for disciplinary action is satisfied. By committing a false emergency martial law that consequently destroyed the constitutional order, it caused national chaos, causing fatal corruption to the party. Isn't this logic virtually self-evident? And if you look at the precedent, after President Park Geun Hye was impeached, the leader of Hong Joon Pyo led the Liberty Korea Party to oust President Park. However, various logics and facts surrounding the current impeachment of President Yoon are much clearer than the controversy surrounding the reasons for Park's impeachment. Therefore, in light of the precedent, there is no justification not to take action against Yoon Suk Yeol's actions.
And in reality, Han Dong-hoon said President Yoon Suk Yeol would leave it to our party in a statement before, and from Yoon Suk Yeol's point of view, he wants to get out of the crisis by relying on pro-Yoon-gye within the party, fixed supporters of him estimated at around 20 percent outside the party, and these forces. I have no choice but to hang up. That way, the pressure to resign or the offensive will be blocked. Once elected, the pro-Yoon system will weaken its position to protect President Yoon because the power of the people will be reduced to the opposition party, not the ruling party. I'm going to make this judgment.
[Anchor]
Do you think there is no possibility of President Yoon voluntarily leaving the party?
[Kim Jin] I see that there's no
. It is highly unlikely that the president will voluntarily leave the party because he has refused to resign and now relies heavily on pro-Yoon-gye, who supports his logic.
[Anchor]
It's not a defection, but if you want to leave, you have to leave the party, so this is how you see it. Yesterday, just before the election of the floor leader of the People's Power, President Yoon Suk Yeol's statement came out, and there were various interpretations of that point. At the time of Kwon Sung-dong, who was about to run for floor leader, it was before he became floor leader. Gentleman was also quite embarrassed. That image was captured on camera. Let's take a look together. I don't think the image I wanted to see has been edited. Floor leader Kwon Sung-dong was caught looking at the presidential statement in Yoon Suk Yeol and seemed to be embarrassed. This became a hot topic, but looking at this, does that mean President Yoon Suk Yeol doesn't communicate properly with the pro-Yoon-gye? There were many people who doubted that.
[Choi Chang Ryul]
I think I probably didn't talk about it before the announcement. Some say that the president himself wrote it. I don't think I would've talked to my friend either. Yesterday's conversation seems to have already been a few days, but I thought it was a Haya conversation because I was going to present a conversation. I don't know anything about President Yoon. I've never felt a shock like yesterday in my whole life. Martial law was on December 3rd. I was shocked at that time, but yesterday's conversation was even more shocking. I said that the first thing that comes out is to defend the opposition party. I don't understand it at all. Perhaps Kwon Sung-dong didn't know that such a discourse would come out. I saw that expression, too. How can I do this? I think it's that kind of expression. I don't know exactly. So, I'm talking about yesterday's statement and Kim Jin as well.Ma thinks it's a kind of political message to die-hard supporters.
[Anchor]
You're looking at that screen right now. Why do we talk before the floor leader election? It's this kind of expression.
[Choi Chang Ryul]
Yesterday's statement was based on a consistent logic because the president thought so, but it was based on the premise that impeachment was passed. There will probably be considerable confusion on both sides after the impeachment. Park Geun Hye You saw it during the impeachment of former President. I think it provided a logic for the diehard supporters, the so-called hard-right conservatives. From their point of view, they can oppose it for this reason. It could sound like this. It provides such logic and serves as a point of argument for yourself. I think yesterday's contents are multi-purpose. It was beyond my imagination. Of course, floor leader Kwon Sung-dong was on the verge of becoming floor leader yesterday. It must be so ridiculous, how can you do this? I'm talking calmly because time has passed. I'm sure many people were surprised yesterday. I read an editorial in a newspaper today and found that he used extreme terms. He even wrote that it's a self-deception. The president is trying to push this part to the end, but he seems to be thinking of dismissing it in the impeachment trial. That's why I think I'm going to fight.
[Anchor]
Floor leader Kwon Sung-dong was elected as a pro-Yoon-gye anyway, but he took the key of the floor. First of all, the rejection is the party's theory, but I heard that more than two-thirds need to agree to change this, is it possible?
[Kim Jin]
I don't think it's going to be easy. Because out of 108 lawmakers, 72 are two-thirds. However, 34 votes supported floor leader Kim Tae-ho. So, I don't think the quorum needed for the change of party theory will be possible. However, representative Kwon Sung-dong opposes the free vote and emphasizes a single confrontation.Can Ma stick to what is called a collective exit like last time? I think that's quite difficult, too. Even if the general meeting of the lawmakers decides to leave the group, the number of lawmakers who want to freely vote against it is now more than 10 and close to 20, so the collective exit will not be practical even if opinions are gathered. It is difficult to change the party line, but there will be little way to prevent a free vote.
[Anchor]
Then, tomorrow's situation is practically difficult to maintain a single response.
[Kim Jin]
The unitary confrontation mentioned by representative Kwon is to maintain the opposition party's theory. Free voting becomes virtually impossible to prevent. Since there are about 10 lawmakers who have declared that they will vote freely, they will keep face but not prevent the trend.
[Anchor]
Those who saw the atmosphere of yesterday's general meeting have this suspicion. Whether the Han Dong-hoon system will be able to go with floor leader Kwon Sung-dong is also of interest. Depending on whether it is impeachment or rejection, there will be variables in this area. Let's hear from the close community how they see this problem now.
[Anchor]
Let's start with Kim Jong-hyuk, the supreme council member. Will the leadership be able to be maintained anyway? If even a close Supreme Council member Jang Dong-hyuk resigns from his position with the top members of the pro-Yoon faction, representative Han Dong-hoon will be pulled down because it will effectively collapse. Supreme Council member Jang Dong-hyuk said that he changed his position, saying that the situation has changed. How do you see this?
[Choi Chang Ryul]
Jang Dong-hyuk was the best last weekend. He said that if the impeachment is passed, he will resign as a supreme council member. It's changed. It comes out on the screen. It's been changed since yesterday's statement, but Jang Dong-hyuk's position has changed a lot.
Hard to understand.
[Anchor]
The situation is difficult.
[Choi Chang Ryul]
Even if it's hard, it's hard, so as lawmakers, they'll think about their own political future. How can you stop that when you're a person? Even so, this situation is different from the political turmoil of other times. The president invaded the National Assembly by mobilizing the military, but it was broadcast live in real time, so what would you understand? I just don't understand the people's power lawmakers. Since reality is real, the best Jang Dong-hyuk has changed his position, so there is little possibility that Han Dong-hoon's leadership will collapse at the moment. There are three people who are close to Yun.
Kim Min-jeon and Kim Jae-won are the top three. There are five people on this side, so if the best Jang Dong-hyuk turns around and resigns, the leadership will collapse. The leadership will collapse, I don't think so. How many times has it been apart from such a problem? It's been several times that a representative has been thrown out by Chin-yoon and by the presidential office. And weren't you trying to give up a lot in the process of a representative coming in as the emergency committee chairman last December and being elected as the party leader? However, even in this situation, this situation is truly unprecedented in the history of the Constitution. Even in this situation where the president is booked as a suspect, pro-Yoon is trying to drive out the party leader. CEO Han Dong-hoon's words represent the general public. I can't do this anymore. I was announcing that position before the presidential statement yesterday, and the statement came out. And then after the conversation, I said, "I can't do this." After that, however, after becoming the floor leader of Kwon Sung-dong, he said that Chin-yoon would break the leadership, and former Supreme Council member Kim Min said this. I can't understand it at all. Then, I told you earlier.There's no room for a dry repair. How can you ask the people for a ticket?
[Anchor]
However, if the party's opinion is voted down by impeachment in the People's Power today, and if it is passed tomorrow, there is already talk that the pro-Yoon community could put more pressure on Han Dong-hoon to resign.
[Kim Jin]
I don't expect those things to accelerate or get movement. First of all, when impeachment is passed tomorrow, the size of the votes that deviate from the people's power will be a variable to a large extent. If there are 20 votes close or more than 20 votes left, I think the weight will shift considerably toward representative Han Dong-hoon.
[Anchor]
Will it be energized?
[Kim Jin]
A social atmosphere before and after the impeachment vote. The scale of tomorrow's Yeouido rally. And public reaction, media reports and other reasons have really heated up the impeachment fervor caused by President Yoon Suk Yeol's misguided recent public statement, so if the impeachment is carried out on that scale, representative Han Dong-hoon will take the lead. a general trend of public opinion And realistically, why did pro-Yoon-gye vote for impeachment now? This is the responsibility of Han Dong-hoon, the logical structure to drive in this way is quite weak. Representative Han Dong-hoon is not even the floor leader, and the influence of the outside representative on the floor members cannot be absolute.
This is why it is in favor of lawmakers' free vote. This weakens the basis for pro-Yoon to raise the claim of responsibility against representative Han Dong-hoon. And I've been arguing ever since the beginning of the situation.This is not the only variable in the party's dynamics. If the investigation into the rebellion is accelerated and there is talk of an arrest warrant for the president and impeachment is passed tomorrow, the president should be investigated while staying at his Hannam-dong residence. Then you're much more likely to get an arrest warrant after you're impeached than you are in office. The president is investigated for treason, arrested, and an arrest warrant is called, but the pro-Yoon-gye attacks representative Han Dong-hoon with the logic of simply supporting President Yoon? I think the leadership will collapse if Supreme Council member Jang Dong-hyuk turns around and four or more members of the elected youth committee approve, but if he resigns. However, Supreme Council member Jin Jong-oh is in favor of impeachment. It is said that Jang Dong-hyuk, the supreme council member, has turned around. I don't know about former Supreme Council members Kim Jae-won and Kim Min, but I think it is unlikely that Supreme Council members In Yo-han will resign and participate in the collapse of representative Han Dong-hoon's leadership.
[Anchor]
Is the Supreme Council member In Yo-han not going to agree?
[Kim Jin]
There's a high possibility that you won't sympathize. And above all, it is unlikely that CEO Han Dong-hoon's position in the cause, reality, or trend will be greatly shaken.
[Anchor]
Looking at the situation of yesterday's parliamentary meeting, there was no choice but to say that the party would break up like that. Rep. Park Ji-won is also likely to be split. That's what I said. Let's listen to it. Even during the impeachment of former President Park Geun Hye, there is no law that says it will not be possible again this time because he took the steps of Bundang.
[Choi Chang Ryul]
But then, after a considerable period of time, it was December 9th. The tablet PC was reported on October 24. It's fast now, because it's so important. December 3rd was the emergency martial law and tomorrow is December 14th, so the impeachment will take place in 10 days. The impeachment vote failed last Saturday. In this situation, there were 234 votes in 2016. At that time, it was generally said that it would get more than 200 votes, but it was quite a lot. That's what they said at first.I think Ma will come out quite a lot. I'm talking about eight votes away, but that's meaningless. There is a possibility that a significant number of lawmakers will participate. After the impeachment was passed, I think it will be difficult to go with the idea of pro-yoon. The impeachment will be passed and the situation will be cleared. An impeachment trial will be conducted in accordance with the constitutional process and an acting president will be appointed.Will Ma be able to go with that kind of mindset and awareness? I think I'd better break up. It's right to break up and return to the original form of the conservative, and that's not what the conservative looks like. How can you look like that when you camouflage the maintenance and wrap it up as maintenance? Is it conservative to support and protect the president, who has been identified as a so-called insurrectionist by mobilizing the military and giving instructions to storm the country? Is that protecting the country? It's not logical.
[Kim Jin]
I think the possibility of Bundang is very low. First of all, during the impeachment of the Park Geun Hye, people like Kim Moo-sung and Kim Yoo Seung Min, who are pro-impeachment, left the party because they said there was no possibility. So I created the Bareun Party. This time, the pro-impeachment group is a close relationship led by representative Han Dong-hoon. Many of the people in close relationships are proportional representatives. The proportional representative will not leave the party because he or she will lose his or her seat if he or she leaves the party. Then if you say you're going to split up, pro-Yoon-gye should leave the party. As the pro-Yoon-gye impeachment is passed tomorrow, the Constitutional Court's hearing begins, and the investigation into the rebellion is accelerated, there are more controversies within the right wing over whether the president should be impeached with this issue during the Park Geun Hye. However, as time goes by, impeachment was very inevitable, and public opinion is rising that the power of the people was good in favor of impeachment, so the Yeongnam region, where the majority of pro-Yoon-gye is located, and Gangnam, Seocho, and Songpa in Seoul are now opposing impeachment because enthusiastic party members should never support impeachment in their constituencies. So, even if it is impeached, it is because he has to show that he opposed it as much as possible in the general election of the National Assembly in three years, and that has changed over time, and more than 70% of the votes in favor of impeachment are now in the Yeongnam region, following TK. So, I think the possibility of pro-Yoon-gye running out is very low.
[Anchor]
I think we should give this question to Kim Jin, but it was claimed by Vice-President Shin Ji-ho and we didn't confirm it. There is a witness who heard the call that conservative YouTubers, or pro-yoon conservative YouTube, are in Yongsan, raising this suspicion. Even before, opposition parties said, "Isn't the president too obsessed with far-right YouTubers or addicted?" In this position, what would some public opinion on far-right YouTube say that President Yoon Suk Yeol is still moving his mind a lot? It's under control, do you think there's such a phenomenon?
[Kim Jin]
I think so. One of the clear evidence is that the two representative cases in which the right has lost a lot of people's trust, as I said last time, were incorrectly claimed that North Korean special forces were deployed during May 18. And the conspiracy theory that the parliamentary general election four years ago was rigged. These two are representative, especially a few hardline agitating right-wing YouTubers who spread and claimed both after death. They're far-right YouTubers. President Yoon talked about the election watchdog in his speech to the public yesterday and told Lee Joon-seok that he tried to rob the election watchdog when he was the prosecutor general. The things that I said I was sorry that I couldn't do were all rejected and dismissed by the court for incendiary remarks by some of the wrong far-right YouTubers, and about 100 cases of fraudulent elections. And even though more than 60 cases and 60 cases of fraudulent elections were found to be untrue by the NEC and related media organizations, this is the same as President Moon Jae In's nuclear power plant and nuclear power plant policy after watching a science fiction disaster movie. Therefore, it was also revealed in the public statement that it is still being affected.
[Anchor]
It's a suspicion raised by Vice-President Shin Ji-ho, so we'll tell you more about this in more detail as soon as we confirm the facts later.
[Kim Jin]
I won't be in Yongsan. Because it will not be in the official residence of Hannam-dong in Yongsan, nor will it be in the presidential office of Yongsan. If there is, it means that it is on the edge of Yongsan. How can a YouTuber enter the official residence and the presidential office?
[Anchor]
In any case, the political community has reported that there are concerns that the president is too influenced by far-right YouTubers. Floor leader Kwon Sung-dong paid a courtesy call to National Assembly Speaker Woo Won-sik today. Let's listen to what kind of stories we've been talking about for a while.
[Anchor]
Secretary of Defense, the impeachment is an impeachment, and even if it is passed, the state administration has to go back, so please cooperate on the urgent part. What did you think about that?
[Choi Chang Ryul]
It is undesirable that the ministerial office is too empty. But if the president is impeached tomorrow, his duties will be suspended. But before that, he said he was going to appoint Choi Byung-hyuk, the ambassador to Saudi Arabia, but he refused. Representative Han Ki-ho is also talking about that, so it is hasty for the president to try to appoint him in this impeachment phase. If you look at it in a very formal logic, you're exercising your authority because you're maintaining the presidency. You can't argue with that because it's an exercise of authority.The reality of "ma" exists like this. But in this situation, the president is going to appoint it? It's inappropriate for anyone to see. What floor leader Kwon Sung-dong said is completely principled. So, first, the impeachment phase passed and then the acting president came in. Under such circumstances, we have to go through various procedures and consult with the opposition. The opposition party does not have the right to appoint and dismiss.
[Anchor]
It is said that the members of the State Council will be impeached one after another.
[Choi Chang Ryul]
However, if the opposition party excessively impeaches a member of the State Council, the Cabinet could collapse later. In other words, the number of Cabinet members must be 11 to become a quorum. Does that mean we're going to impeach 4 or 5 people? Then there are about 15 people now, and if they impeach more later. The Cabinet meeting may not be established. So the opposition needs to take that into account as well. Of course, a Cabinet meeting can be held to raise questions about not actively preventing it before impeachment. But you're going to impeach them all? It is a separate matter. I think the opposition needs to refrain, too.
[Anchor]
In any case, even if impeachment is passed, the ruling and opposition parties have no choice but to sit face to face at the negotiating table, and this morning, Democratic Party Chairman Lee Jae-myung made a statement saying that lawmakers of the People's Power should participate in the vote. Let's listen to that voice, too. A day before the second round of impeachment, please vote yes. I delivered the appeal of CEO Lee Jae-myung. Regarding representative Lee Jae-myung, there are many voices against whether lawmakers should directly prevent representative Lee Jae-myung from becoming president from the power of the people, and whether it would be permission for the public to connect this part to impeachment. What do you think?
[Kim Jin]
The anti-impeachment logic of the people's power is not realistic. First of all, the case where the president committed an extremely serious act of destruction of constitutional order and is being investigated for rebellion is judged on the case and voted for impeachment, and that's the line. Afterwards, what's secondary is what the Constitutional Court decides and how the presidential election is conducted according to the decision. During that period, will the Supreme Court make a final judgment on the second and third trials? These are all things that fall afterwards, secondary things. So, what the people's power did decisively wrong was that they were caught up in later logic and abandoned the cause of good. Even if an early presidential election takes place and fights, the position and logic of the people's power will be greatly weakened. Now, in the end, everything will be decided tomorrow anyway, and then all that remains for the power of the people is to accept impeachment and go to the early presidential election.
[Anchor]
Regarding representative Lee Jae-myung, a judge who acquitted representative Lee Jae-myung in connection with the martial law incident was also on the arrest list, which is now known. How do you see that part?
[Choi Chang Ryul]
If that's true, the 13-member list is already out. Besides that, I'm not saying that the judge went in again.
[Anchor]
There was a list of judges beyond politicians.
[Choi Chang Ryul]
You're talking about Judge Kim Dong-hyun, who acquitted CEO Lee Jae-myung, not guilty of perjury. November 25th. But if that's true, the president's perception is virtually unconvincing. Looking at it just now, it's about Kim Eo Jun.There is also a report that Ma told CEO Han Dong-hoon to be killed, which doesn't seem to make sense. If it was to that extent... So it doesn't make sense that this was a warning to prevent the opposition party from rioting and normalize state affairs. What does it have to do with arresting those people and warning them? Arresting a judge? So now, President Yoon seems to have practiced martial law with the thought of removing the extreme hatred toward political opponents. in various circumstances So for me, these parts are related to representative Lee Jae-myung, and the presidential election is the presidential election. There will be an early presidential election. It's a given. It's just that you don't know how long the impeachment trial will last, and if it becomes an impeachment trial in the meantime, the president will be fired. You have to hold a presidential election within that 60 days. It's a constitutional clause. Then we have quite a bit of time until then.
It's not likely to split up, but it's better to split up. Be a new conservative. That way, I can ask for a ticket. That's what I said earlier. So for me, there will be a second trial for CEO Lee Jae-myung. the Public Official Election Act and perjury teachers I haven't even done the first trial yet. It could come true. From what I can see, the Supreme Court's decision yesterday was the same, so the court seems to be trying to go according to the schedule without considering the ruling and opposition parties.
[Anchor]
Judicial proceedings follow the rules?
[Choi Chang Ryul]
It's right to go as it is. In this situation, the opposition leader and overwhelming presidential candidate will postpone the second trial? You shouldn't do that. Impeachment goes according to impeachment, and the president is suspended as president and waits for judgment. The acting president's work report This is a stable order according to the constitutional procedure. And there should be a trial against representative Lee Jae-myung. If the court delays it like this, I think it could face another headwind.
[Anchor]
The prosecution and police investigation is running so urgently that it is difficult to predict a day later, and it has been confirmed that the prosecution confiscated Myung Tae-kyun's so-called golden phone and the cell phone used by Myung Tae-kyun during the election. When this golden phone is opened, another phase can be opened, there are talks like this.
[Kim Jin]
In the first round, it will have a large impact on the investigation of Kim Gun-hee. Kim Gun-hee's independent counsel law was passed in the first round of voting. Then, if President Yoon is impeached tomorrow. So the acting prime minister will take over. Then, when it comes to veto power, you have to make a resolution at the State Council and propose the veto power to the president. The president himself has lost his veto power, and it is highly unlikely that the Cabinet meeting chaired by Prime Minister Han Deok-soo will propose the veto. Then, Kim Gun-hee's special prosecutor will now proceed. Then, if the investigation into Kim Gun-hee's alleged intervention in the nomination process is carried out extensively through the independent counsel, and if Myung Tae-kyun's golden phone is investigated again, the investigation goes beyond Kim Gun-hee and whether President Yoon Suk Yeol is suspected of intervening in the nomination process. But it is not subject to prosecution as a sitting president. It's a crime of rebellion. For example, violations of election laws and political funding laws are not subject to prosecution, but they can be subject to investigation even if they are not prosecuted. Then there is a possibility that the investigation will proceed as well.
[Anchor]
As the police special team reported in breaking news, the president's arrest warrant is also being considered. An urgent situation is expected to unfold in the future. So far, Kim Jin, former editor of the JoongAng Ilbo, and Choi Chang-ryul, a special professor at Yongin University. Thank you.
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