19% of President Yoon's approval rating... How far is the disclosure of "Myeong Tae-kyun's recording?"

■ Host: Kim Sun-young Anchor
■ Starring: Choi Chang-ryul, Special Professor at Yongin University, Kim Jin, former Editorial Writer at JoongAng Ilbo

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[Anchor]
Let's start with a political commentary with a lively angle. Today, we have Kim Jin, a former editor-in-chief of the JoongAng Ilbo, and Choi Chang-ryul, a special professor at Yongin University. Welcome. First, let's watch the first keyword video.

[Anchor]
When asked by reporters yesterday, CEO Han Dong-hoon was silent for now. First of all, it's a strategic silence, can you see it like this?

[Kim Jin]
That's right. What position will the president's office make regarding the factual relationship? And the situation fluctuates greatly depending on what the opposition Democratic Party of Korea does in the future, so we have no choice but to be cautious for now. But I think I'm heading to the edge of the cliff, whether it's representative Han Dong-hoon or the presidential office in Yongsan.

The president's office is responding very wrong right now. Many people are making strange excuses to the people with very abnormal logic that they can't easily understand. The president has never been briefed on the nomination nor given directions.

In the transcript, there is a record that the president clearly told me that he brought it to me from the officialdom, and that I told him that I would like him to do Kim Young-sun there. Then all that's done is that the president lied to Myung Tae-kyun a day before the inauguration.

given the president's office's explanation But even if you lie, can you tell me that the president suddenly made it up and brought it from the mission committee when he didn't bring it from the mission committee? It's actually true that it was brought from the officialdom. Isn't it common sense to anyone?

However, the presidential office has never been briefed or ordered by the commission. This was a wrong response in the early stages, and I think this misrepresentation of the presidential office will be a bigger problem in the future, and it is now approaching the edge of the presidential office or representative Han Dong-hoon.

[Anchor]
In any case, in the 100th press conference, Han Dong-hoon also put forward the keyword of reform, and the special inspector seems to have poured cold water in an atmosphere in which he is strengthening communication within the party to persuade him.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
You said it wasn't just cold water, it was a cliff edge, but there's no room to talk about the special inspector now. I'm not saying this because it's a special inspector and a reform, but it's about the phone call on May 9, 2020. But the president's office said that I don't remember the same thing, but the president said he didn't remember.

The people don't understand this either. Last time, it wasn't that long ago, but it was also a recording about Myung Tae-kyun, and he explained to his brother that it was his brother. The presidential office. But how many people would think it's their own brother? You think it's the president. In that context, the President's Office's explanation now. It's very lame whether to call it an explanation or an excuse.

Anyway, what's important is why is it so explosive? It's the first time the president's voice has been revealed. Until now, it was a recording or a message from Myung Tae-kyun and Kim Gun-hee. Statements, testimonies, and so on. The president's development has been revealed and I'll talk about it in the future.Ma is exactly what it says. Kim Young-sun said to do it. There is a lot of talk in the party.

I'm talking about that. I'll have to make progress on this part.Ma seems to be reticent after seeing various situations, as well as CEO Han Dong-hoon, but he seems to be doing so because he could get more twisted if he hurriedly explains it right now, but he should respond quickly. The ruling party leader's lack of response to this enormous and severe situation. [Anchor] You can't be silent for a long time? [Choi Chang Ryul] I think there should be something to say today.

[Anchor]
Floor leader Choo Kyung-ho made this position this morning. Regarding the recording released yesterday, I said, "Since it is a marital recording, we need to see the overall context, but anyway, since I was the president-elect at that time, there is no legal problem."

Since the recording is short, it is difficult to understand the entire situation accurately, so I will look at the situation more later. First of all, the one thing that the ruling party clearly put forward was the president-elect's status. Therefore, it is emphasized that there are no legal problems.

[Kim Jin]
Rep. Kwon Sung-dong, a key member of the pro-yoon faction, makes the same argument, but I think that argument is also very immature and does not see the situation properly. It is true that the legal interpretation is not legally a problem because he was elected on May 9, but more importantly, it was a day before he spoke about fairness and common sense at the presidential inauguration the next day, so having political problems is much twice and three times bigger than having no legal problems.

How big would it be to have a legal problem and not have a problem by one day now? Of course, it's clear that it's not the subject of impeachment, but that's an important excuse for the political impeachment controversy. It seems that the pro-Yoon-gye or Yongsan presidential office is a very stopgap measure and sees the situation wrong as a temporary measure.

[Anchor]
Commissioner, what message do you think should come out now?

[Kim Jin]
I thought very carefully and thought about it, but first of all, the president doesn't remember anything. The content of the conversation at the time is not important. Does this make sense? There was a recording of the president's involvement in the nomination, and this is not important?

In my view, these four explanations are completely elementary school-level explanations. The problem will be further raised, and the presidential office should take a cautious attitude and listen to and share the very accurate facts from the president. And since there were transcripts of luxury bags like the luxury bag incident, I insisted that the president apologize to the public for the obvious facts starting with the New Year press conference, but it is the same this time. Even if it's not a legal problem, it's two or three times more politically problematic, so I have to apologize to the public.

[Anchor]
The president himself?

[Kim Jin]
Since it was the president's own fault, I acted very careless because there were no various circumstances when I was elected. If you apologize to the public that you sincerely apologize to the people, this problem will go to the stage of reorganization, and such a wrong explanation that the people cannot understand has raised the problem, I see it like this.

[Anchor]
You pointed out that it was an explanation that further aggravated the problem, but yesterday, there was a meeting of senior and powerful lawmakers of the people, and people said that public sentiment is now exceeding the threshold. Lawmaker Cho Kyung-tae said it was his personal opinion, but he said, "Shouldn't we immediately audit the party?" They also suggested this kind of opinion.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
I don't think it's important without doing a party audit. What would come out of a party audit? Chin-yoon is the mainstream of the party anyway. I think it's natural to do a party audit, but I don't think it's a matter of debate with a party audit. I think the threshold is already over.

If that comes out now, floor leader Choo Kyung-ho or lawmaker Kwon Sung-dong's remarks are too free. May 9th and May 10th are a day apart, as you said well, Kim Jin. Since you're the president-elect, there's no problem because you're not the president? How can you say that? What on earth do you see the Korean people as?

If so, the nomination of former lawmaker Kim Young-sun was confirmed on May 10. That's the president. I was president then. I think this is legally problematic, personally. How can this not be a legal problem? And look at the context before that.

I'm talking about the recording.There are a lot of recordings right now. Myung Taekyun's voice. That's not a presidential voice. That's enough for us to infer. Among the phone calls with First Lady Kim Gun-hee, there were talks about Governor Park of Gyeongnam and Governor Kim Jin-tae of Gangwon-do, and was he the head of Seocho-gu District Office? Everything comes out, but it's all said by Mrs. Kim Gun-hee and Myung Tae-kyun, and it can be inferred that it was influenced by the president.

Kim Gun-hee is an individual. It's an autograph. We develop this logic. First lady Kim Gun-hee is an individual, so there is no problem, and there is no such thing as someone talking about it with this logic. The people who are the core of the political situation now, the so-called mainstream of pro-yoon, have no idea where the public's public sentiment is heading right now. If this goes like this, it doesn't cross the threshold, but it can be a mockery of the people. It's a day before, so it's okay. How can you say that?

[Anchor]
In any case, the public's power was also in great confusion internally as the recording containing the voice of President Yoon Suk Yeol was released. Pro-Yoon-gye, pro-Yoon-gye, and visual differences are also mixed. Let's hear your voice.

[Anchor]
First of all, I think we need to see all the Democratic Party's losses. There seems to be some concerns within the party that one explanation will come out and another will come out as evidence of impeachment.

[Kim Jin]
That's right. And the opposition party made a plan revelation. Then do you plan to reveal it and do it accidentally? That's the fifth mistake already, especially given that Kang was a former presidential aide in the presidential office. And some claim that they left out some of them and put them together, but that part is part of it, according to Myung Tae-kyun's claim, is that the president will ultimately decide the nomination of the party. However, even if there is a passage, there is no significant difference from the overall context.

Of course, the president says this to Myung Tae-kyun. That's what they say when they receive a complaint and talk about it. I asked Kim Young-sun to nominate me. But there's a lot of opposition within the party. Even though there were a lot of opposition within the party, I said it with a lot of strength, saying that I worked hard to do it. So, didn't Myung Taekyun say he will never forget his grace?

Even if the president said that the party would make the final decision, that's what the president used to say as a cover for the president-elect, and that's not proof that the president didn't make a statement suggesting intervention in the nomination. So, according to the logic that Representative Han Dong-hoon has been talking about, not because of the power of the people, Kang Myung-gu, or representative Han Dong-hoon, we should audit the party.

Because the maximum number of investigations that the party can conduct is the party's audit. Because it is an important scandal involving the president-elect, we need to conduct a party audit to find out what happened then. You have to send a questionnaire to the president's office, even in writing, to find out what he's answering. And then CEO Lee Joon-seok left the party, so he won't attend. Then you have to do a written investigation. Yoon Sang-hyun, then chairman of the delegation committee, must attend the party's investigation committee and ask a harsh question. That way, what representative Han Dong-hoon said fits, and for the party, the only card that can break through this problem is the party's audit. Look at it like this.

[Anchor]
Is there a pro-Yoon-gye backlash?

[Kim Jin]
Does it matter if you push back or not? The majority of the leadership is close now. And that's all the party leader needs to do is order a party audit.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
If you look at the impeachment of former President Roh Moo Hyun, it was later dismissed. The Constitutional Court, of course, rejected it.Of course, the situation is very different from now. It's not always the same case as the impeachment of former President Park Geun Hye. It wasn't a big deal then either.

I expect public support for the open Democratic Party, which was a violation of the Public Official Election Act. It was a violation of political neutrality by public officials, a violation of the Constitution. So I went to impeachment, and the resolution was approved, but it was dismissed by the Constitutional Court to the effect that it was not a violation of the law.Ma doesn't seem to have gone as far as to say that this is impeachment or no.I think Ma already has psychological impeachment in the hearts of the people.

If the president's development comes out to that extent, the circumstances of the nomination intervention seem clear. I mean. You said it like that and just said it in a good way. Oh my god, how can we have a conversation if things happen like this? You said everything, but it was a bluff, as Myung Tae-kyun said. I was just saying it in moderation. I don't remember. Then we can't talk about anything.

If you said that the day before your inauguration as a president-elect, it is common sense to say that you said that because there is a situation like that. But you keep denying that part. I don't think that's a situation like that.

[Anchor]
At a meeting of senior lawmakers yesterday, many people said that the public sentiment is not unusual. Let's check the results of today's Gallup poll. Let's take a look at the Yoon Suk Yeol Presidential Performance Evaluation and Gallup Poll. It came out today.

As you can see now, it is down slightly by 1 percentage point from a week ago, but the 20% psychological barrier has been broken. It was 19% positive. One thing to pay attention to is the approval rating for job performance evaluation by region. Daegu and North Gyeongsang Province. Daegu and Gyeongbuk, which can be said to be the garden of conservatism, account for 18%. It fell by 8 percentage points.

You can see that it is lower than the overall average job performance evaluation. This time, the results of the Gallup Poll's performance evaluation of the leadership of both parties are coming out. Let's compare the positivity. Han Dong-hoon vs. Lee Jae-myung. It's tight. I can confirm that we recorded 40:41%. Kim Jin. It's 20% broken. We can say that public sentiment is really unusual now, right?

[Kim Jin]
I think it could go down further. Because I think Yongsan and the presidential office's explanation and response to this incident have disappointed the people too much. It hurts the people more that the president lies to the people than he did wrong.

During the Watergate scandal, Nixon's Republican Party's mistake of eavesdropping was also serious, but Nixon's White House's continued cover-up and lies caused anger among the people. It's a great mistake to say that I've never been briefed on the nomination or ordered the nomination. Then the president becomes a lying president. The next day, in his inaugural address, he emphasized fairness and common sense to the people, and the president lies about his own business and his wife's business.

It's very hard for me to understand why he gave such an unconvincing explanation in two hours, but the crisis management system of the presidential office is fluctuating to a large extent. When I ask Daegu people about it, the biggest reason why the approval rating in Daegu is falling so much is the problem of Mrs. Kim Gun-hee. Why is a husband swayed by his wife? And I heard that some conservative sentiment in the Daegu-Gyeongsang-do area, why does the husband cover his wife's problems like that, also worked.

[Anchor]
I've shown you the results of today's Gallup poll. First of all, if you look at the fact that Yoon Suk Yeol's approval rating has gone below 20%, and if you look at the approval rating of representative Han Dong-hoon and representative Lee Jae-myung, it is clear that President Yoon Suk Yeol and representative Han Dong-hoon are decoupling, that is, the flow of public support in a different direction.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
That's what we've been predicting. And it's natural that President Yoon and Representative Han Dong-hoon are looking in a completely different direction, different languages and different remarks. Of course, look. In Incheon, Gyeonggi Province, it's 16 percent. It's 19% overall. I think we talked about that last week, but if it comes down below 20%, it's quite psychologically problematic.

The anchor said that, but right now, that's... What the Democratic Party revealed yesterday was around 9:30 yesterday. It's hard to say that that part reflects 100% of the release of President Yoon's voice recordings. If so, the presidential office's response came out after that. It wasn't.

The president doesn't remember. And this is no problem. It can be said that even this wasn't fully reflected. Then if it goes next week. In the meantime, if the presidential office's attitude is so difficult to change, that could fall further. If that happens, it's really out of control. Look at it. And talking to Myung Tae-kyun on the phone and things like that were usually before the primary, the presidential race. But it's after the primary. May 9th is.

That was a lie, too. The public began to recognize that everything was consistent with lies. Then, no matter what we say, there's a crisis of trust here. In various political crises, legitimacy crises, trust, etc. are very important. That's a typical crisis of trust. The most scary thing is that the government and this axis in charge of state administration have completely deviated from the people and lost trust. Isn't that the way you're going? That's what I think when I see statistics like that.

[Anchor]
The 10th of this month marks the halfway point of this month's term. It's unclear whether or not to hold a press conference at that time, but you think an apology press conference is necessary before and after that, right?

[Kim Jin]
Perhaps even if we hold a press conference, we will not hold a press conference solely on this issue due to the nature of Yoon Suk Yeol's president. There is a possibility that President Yoon will decide to hold a press conference before or after the halfway point of his presidency, or he may hold a press conference to answer one of his questions, but it is quite unlikely that President Yoon will decide to hold a press conference now because the situation is very important and we don't know how it will spread. I don't think there will be around November 10th.

[Anchor]
There's a high possibility that you won't even go to the city administration speech, right?

[Kim Jin]
It's highly likely that you won't go there enough. in this state Seeing how the situation is progressing, the National Assembly's steering committee will be asked to audit the president's office today and the opposition party's rally to condemn the president tomorrow, and questions will continue to pour out at the press conference because President Yoon made a mistake in the number of baduk games. Why didn't you receive the report from the mission committee when you didn't, why didn't you give an order, and if you didn't give an order, what would the president do right now?

[Anchor]
What measures can be taken to break this current public opinion? Don't you have to pay a card in Yongsan as you go around the halfway point of your term? This voice continues to emerge, and this part seems to be a big task on how to manage the risk of pollack bacteria. Myung Tae-kyun has been doing interviews with the media recently. We talked about this, too. Let's listen to it.

[Anchor]
This wave that is driving the political situation started with Myung Tae-kyun's mouth, and he said he would burn all the evidence he buried in his father's grave, but now he knows that there is no grave due to makeup, right?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
I revealed that I put on makeup. I don't think there's a graveyard. I really don't understand the person named Myung Tae-kyun because those words are changing back and forth, and for now, he seems to be scared. I think he continues to do business with the president's office in anticipation of his arrest or something like this.

If I make a threat while trading and then collect it again and open my mouth, I'll ruin everything if I reveal it, what a mess. That's what I'm talking about. So I have evidence now, but I'm going to get rid of this. Then, it's kind of like, "Please take care of me, too." If I have evidence, it would be a mess if I reveal it, but I'm going to get rid of all of this.


I don't think it's going to cause any more problems, so I can interpret it as a message to look at me. But now is not the time to be swayed by things like that. That's all gone. Myung Taekyun, you're investigating right now. I'm investigating various violations of the law, and I'm trying to find out if I can make that comment quickly. There's only a straight line. This is not an explanation, and the president should come forward and clarify how this remark came out.

And it's revealed as it is, and Kim Gun-hee, the special prosecutor, accepts it, and that's the only way. Now, the Democratic Party is trying to cover up some judicial risk. Then it's not an issue at all, even if you touch it. It's already meaningless. This was brought on by the passport.

[Anchor]
In any case, this atmosphere is happening in the Democratic Party of Korea at a time when the recording of the Yoon Suk Yeol's presidential voice is being released and the impact is growing. Let's check out the contents of the next keyword. Let's cover it with a blue wave. The Democratic Party is now preparing for an off-the-shelf struggle. Anyway, whether it's a plan or not, I'll catch this wind and grow the game of off-the-shelf struggle at a time when the wavelength of this transcript has grown, I think this is the Democratic Party's plan.

[Kim Jin]
I think the most important purpose of the Democratic Party is to put pressure on the judiciary. According to the logic of the Democratic Party, the Yoon Suk Yeol presidential regime is shaking greatly. Furthermore, due to the controversy over the transcript of the nomination intervention, the impeachment of the president has emerged as a key issue in the political situation.

If so, the Democratic Party of Korea argues that the opposition party, the relatively strong axis of the country, and the supreme leader of the opposition party, Lee Jae-myung, will be convicted and shaken in that way. Putting pressure on the judiciary with this kind of outside hitting. In addition to this, isn't there a signature campaign calling for the acquittal of Representative Lee Jae-myung?

The goal is 1 million, and hundreds of thousands have already signed it. The first and most important goal is to pressure the judiciary to win the acquittal of Representative Lee Jae-myung. Second, even if the conviction comes out in the first trial, we will minimize the impact and push for the opposition's power to continue its offensive against the Yoon Suk Yeol regime.

[Anchor]
Anyway, it starts like that with Kim Gun-hee's special prosecutor, but representative Cho Kuk is putting up a special prosecutor. Do you think this wave will come together?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
That could depend on the progress of the situation. Now, the Democrats are not exactly making the case for impeachment yet. The question of whether it is a violation of the Constitution and the law, so to speak, can be another matter. However, the Democratic Party of Korea continues to gather energy little by little on this issue.

, like a typhoon slowly gathers energy and explodes loudly as it crosses the sea. I think so. And now, of course, on November 15th and 25th, the first judicial decision, the trial. representative Lee Jae-myung Of course, you'll be conscious of this part, too. But if this happens, I think the judiciary will feel pressure. political pressure This is not just because the Democratic Party of Korea is putting pressure on it, but if the leadership of the ruling party is shaken like that, the judiciary is currently in opposition to Lee Jae-myung.

The judiciary has no choice but to shake on its own. That's why my passport brought this part on me earlier. I've always argued that the judiciary can rule normally when the ruling party recovers its normal approval rating. That's not to say that the judiciary works abnormally. However, if this happens, will CEO Lee Jae-myung be able to be legally guilty? In the case of the first trial, I think I can be guilty.

But in the end, it can be passed to the second trial. You could be innocent at the second trial on your own. In the end, I told you this last week or when. There is a mixture of politics and the rule of law. Because of this situation, if the president is in such a corner like that, it can automatically work as the so-called politicization of justice, which is political with the judiciary. Maybe the Democrats are conscious of that and push harder. Of course I wouldn't do that as an opposition party.

[Anchor]
Finally, Rep. Kim Jin, let me ask you this question. The word that the Democratic Party of Korea is shedding is the four-year term shortening constitutional amendment card. President Yoon Suk Yeol is saying that if he brings it up, he can get it. Do you think this is a possibility?

[Kim Jin]
I believe it is possible and I think that the entire society, as well as the ruling and opposition parties, including President Yoon Suk Yeol, should consider this matter carefully. Because of the four-year term of office, shortening the president's term by about a year. And getting the presidential election right at the same time as the local or parliamentary elections. This is not just an issue that emerges because of today's and yesterday's problems of the presidential regime in Yoon Suk Yeol. It's been a long time.

Because it's years or decades old, there are few opportunities for Yoon Suk Yeol's president to regain momentum in the state in the future, so that approval ratings fall further or most importantly, it's in the national interest. It would be impossible for such a president to shorten his term because the president is shaken like that because of the problems of the president and his wife, lame duck comes, and if he loses the power of state affairs, the government should actively consider the constitutional amendment, which is gaining a lot of consensus that it is a four-year two-term system.

[Anchor]
Let's take a look at this part of how the Democratic Party of Korea's outdoor struggle will spread and how the slogan will change. They were Kim Jin, a former editor of the JoongAng Ilbo, and Choi Chang-ryul, a special professor at Yongin University. Thank you.