[News FM Lee Ik-seon Choi Soo-young Issue & People]
□ Broadcast date and time: November 11, 2024 (Mon)
□ Host: Lee Ik-seon, Choi Soo-young
□ Cast: AlphaGo SinaC, a reporter in the Middle East
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◇ Profit line: Everything except political news. We have invited AlphaGo Sina, a non-political talks with no sanctuary or taboo. Welcome.
◈Mr. Alpha Goshina: Hello
◆ Choi Soo-young: Let's clap today. Welcome to the return of the tweezers.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: Yes. On the day the results of the U.S. presidential election came out, I received a text message from the author. The sender, AlphaGo. "It came out as I said! ” There's another one, he said on the last show that if Harris becomes the next president, this is more of a fabrication. It came out as I expected.
◈ Mr. Alphagosina: To be honest, it's not polite for me to be on the show and talk about domestic politics in the United States. Because I'm a reporter who specializes in the Middle East and there's definitely an area that I have to cover, and there are a lot of people who can talk a little more about American politics, but I just opened my mouth a little bit because it was a little frustrating. To be honest, there is a twadang party in Korea right now. Wasn't it obvious that Trump was elected? I like to do it. I'm not even your mainstream. Actually, as you know as a reporter, competing stocks are the key right now. It's not an overwhelming victory, it's 51 and 47, but the important thing is the competition. And there are famous podcast people in America. Now they have various rightists, leftists, progressives, conservatives, and a few people I've heard, and some of them have completely opposite opinions, but when their words are unified, they happen. For example, I talked about this a few months ago. It happened about two weeks after he said on air that Biden would soon be taken to the hospital and replaced by Harris. Biden was taken to the hospital and replaced by Harris. So the people I listened to the podcast were people who had watched American politics for a long time, but they were really different ideologies, but when they said the same thing, they were right.
◇ Profit line: All right. It's a topic that our AlphaGo reporter will fly around today as well. The heads of state are saddened by Trump's return. The world is on high alert to prepare for the upcoming Trump era. Let's take a look at the related content.
◆Choi Soo-young: What kind of person is Trump that AlphaGo sees?
◈ Mr. Alpha Gosina: Now Trump is a man of business background. I read a part of his book, and the way he goes about his business is that people come and ask him to pay for it. I don't have money. So rather, I went to people who had to pay back the money, and if I failed, your money wouldn't fly away. So I had to help them pay off their debts. People like this can't float in Korea. I can't be such a person because of the Korean society.
◆Choi Soo-young: So there's a saying like this. If you borrow 10 million won from the bank, it's your problem, but if you borrow 10 billion won from the bank, it's your problem from then on.
◇ Profit Line: Correct. If you borrow a lot of money when you receive investment, the bank becomes Eul from then on. The borrower is B until the borrower is B, but the bank is B after the borrower is B.
◆Choi Soo-young: Trump is the one who makes good use of that, right?
◈Alpha Goshina: Now I'm a person who used that psychology well, and I've been in politics since the '90s. What it was like back then, the United States came as an economic system until the '70s. And that dollar was fixed to gold, and that's how the global economy was centered and dragged, and so all the countries now have their economies going up. But the problem is that because they fixed their money to the dollar and gold, the countries that had economic growth with the United States now give them dollars and take gold. So when this system was first launched, there was an overwhelming majority of gold in the United States, almost 70% to 60% of the gold on Earth, and the gold ratio went down to 17%. From the perspective of the U.S., we shouldn't go like this. So I'll give you this much gold if you bring this much dollars, as an example of your own currency. You broke what you promised. So I don't have the dollar price right now. The price of the dollar is our trust in the United States. How can I say? If the United States has this much dollar, I'll give you this much gold. He's already gotten rid of that promise in the 70s. Anyway, that's how the economy goes, and eventually communism collapsed and the Soviet Union collapsed. What happens after that is that the free trade system has shaken the big companies in the United States. But from the perspective of the United States, even if their big companies go bankrupt, they think that we have high-tech companies and Internet companies anyway, and we are a leader country around the world, so most people come here. For example, I have to go to the U.S. to study English. To be successful, I have to go to the U.S. to go to a good university. And I have to go to the U.S. every time I have an international conference. As a result, in the United States, large companies in need of big industries began to falter, and instead, Korean cars and Japanese cars went up, but instead, the service industry went up in the United States. Internet Facebook used to have Yahoo, but the damage was not only seen by the large companies there, but at the same time, the people working there saw it. There were people who were uncomfortable with this, but the Reform Party was the first to address this issue. At that time, the Reform Party exceeded 13% or 10% in the presidential election. One of the first people to join the Reform Party is Trump. In a way, he's a consistent person when it comes to economic issues. So, of course, the Reform Party disappeared after the start, and Trump went between the Democratic Party and the Republican Party and came to the Republican Party at the last minute. We don't need all of Trump, and the people who think that our economy's service industry and having high technology like this doesn't make our people happy, and we have embroidered it.
◆Choi Soo-young: So Trump is as predictable as AlphaGo says.
◈Alpha Gosina: I'm not a predictable person. We don't know what we're going to do. I can tell the tone, but I don't know the rest of the diplomatic routes.
◆Choi Soo-young: European leaders tremble due to anxiety over Trump's hindsight Is it true that you're changing your words?
◈Alpha Gosina: There is a very clear case of changing words. As you know now, Turkiye is an ally. The United States is a member of NATO, and all NATO members give us a lot of money, but they give us less Turkiye. Instead, we put a lot of soldiers in it. That's why my position in NATO is so solid. Turkiye told the United States. We'll pay you, so give us Patriot air defense missiles. But during the Obama administration, I keep asking where you're going to use it. But Erban's personality is a little similar to Trump's, so at that time, Russia said, "Should we give S-400 air defense missiles? But the problem with getting S-400 air defense missiles is that we were developing f35 fighter jets with the United States." If Turkiye then deploys this S-400 air defense missile, it shouldn't shoot Turkiye fighters. Then you have to input the information of f35 here. Then the information of the f35 fighter jet can be handed over to Russia. So the U.S. said never buy S-400 air defense missiles, never buy them, and I said I'd buy them if I threw Patriot, so I kicked the Turkiye out of the f35 project. The U.S. became Trump next. Trump is trying to buy a Turkiye even then, so do you know what he's saying on the show? Everyone, why do you say something in the Turkiye? During the Obama years, the Democratic Party didn't give Patriot, so we could do business there and make money, but since they didn't sell it, we had no choice but to buy Turkiye from Russia. Why do you blame Turkey so much? Turkiye There is no fault. I said this and in a week, I imposed economic sanctions on Turkiye. It's the first time in U.S. history that it has imposed economic sanctions on its ally. Because the law used to hit the economic sanctions is the hostile country's economy. So when Erban comes out, what kind of adversary are we? So Trump is unpredictable, so don't predict it. Rather, I don't think I'm going to do this thinking that Trump is an expert only when he tells me the spectrum he can do something.
◇Lee Ik-seon: Who do you think AlphaGo would have been most strained with the one that would have welcomed Trump's election?
◈ Mr. Alphagosina: The most welcome is Putin. Because the Harris Biden line is obvious. So in Putin's view, the box I can negotiate is in this box. But if you want to negotiate with Trump, the box is wider. Of course there could be a disaster from this box or something good for Putin from this box. But the question here is that Putin really took this opportunity to use the U.S., Iran, and Putin must have gotten tired of the war, right? If we negotiate a little bit and ask to end the war, the end of the war won't end there. It will also end in Syria. So, in a way, if Trump and Putin negotiate, Ukraine will not only be divided, but Syria will also be divided. Because if a great power asks you not to fight, what's the next step? Then let's divide the property. Look at Germany after World War II. If you don't fight, you're distributing it. In that way, Russia and the United States will not negotiate only in Ukraine, but Syria will probably be discussed in conjunction with it. Because in order to prevent Iran's influence, Syria needs to be stabilized to some extent. Since Syria is such a mess right now, Iran is influencing it.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: Then it is Putin who will be most pleased. Who will be the most nervous?
◈ Mr. Alphagosina: Iran. The reason why Iran has been actively retaliating against Israel is that if the U.S. does this behind the scenes, Trump will be elected. So don't do it, don't do it.
◆Choi Soo-young: So it's not Zelensky?
◈Alpha Gosina: Zelenskyy didn't say that like no one knows 2x4 anymore. The first one is him.
◆Choi Soo-young: But these days, the leaders of each country, including President Yoon, are learning golf to please Trump. Abe brought me a solid gold golf driver and served me with him, so we played golf together five times during his tenure. There's a story like that. Have you heard of it?
◈Alpha Gosina: No, I've heard of Trump, but I think it'll have an effect of golf if he compliments him enough even when he drinks coffee, not golf. But the compliment can't be obvious. You shouldn't feel that he's complimenting this person.
◆Choi Soo-young: I have to show it to you without knowing?
◇Lee Ik-seon: What is that? Don't you feel good when you make it come out?
◈Alpha Goshina: Then what is this? Isn't this person trying to take something to me while complimenting me? That's what I think.
◇Lee Ik-seon: It's really hard. I can't even predict it.
◈Mr. Alphagosina: I saw a video when I was walking to Trump's NATO summit, and one of the smallest countries in NATO is Montenegro. As you know, Montenegro is also a country that came from Serbia. So one of NATO's least favorite countries is Russia, and then Serbia. So in Europe, Montenegro was walking like this, and Trump saw it and pushed back the Montenegrin president's hand and walked in front of him.
◇Lee Ik-seon: Our AlphaGo said last week that if Trump is elected, it will be a chaos in the Middle East. Is it really chaotic?
◈Alpha Gosina: It's already been a chaos, and I don't know how Trump will respond to it, because in the first period, it was the first period, so I listened to people in the Republican foreign ministry or the Pentagon. You can't do that. There were some things that they stopped me from doing, but should I listen to them as much as I did during the 1st generation?
◆Choi Soo-young: So Pompeo and others who controlled him already drew the line that they would not hire him at all.
◈ Mr. Alphagosina: So I don't know how to react in front of international political scenes. I can tell you about the money. I'm going to push it to Korea no matter what. Give me defense money. Of course, I signed a contract until 2030, but you know who doesn't care about such contracts, right? Because the U.S. and Iran also had nuclear negotiations, and you told me to abolish the treaty on your own. Who would stop you if you told me to cancel the contract again? I can see the moves for money, but I can't see the international political moves.
◆Choi Soo-young: There's a rumor about this. I told Netanyahu to end the war right before I took office.
◈Alpha Goshina: It's been reported by many news agencies and everyone hasn't denied it, so people know it's true, so how do I end it? What do you finish with? I missed that timing. When Sinwar died, it was said that it ended with Sinwar's death, and now it could be concluded there. Why is the war ending in the meantime? Then what timing is it? What's the reason? If you ask, there's no answer.
◇Lee Ik-seon: Then could Netanyahu not have liked Trump's election too much?
◈Mr. Alpha Gosina: First of all, it would have been better than Biden. Because during the Netanyahu regime, all the demands that were really unreasonable were accepted. For example, there is a land called the Golan Heights, which the United Nations talked about internationally, and several countries after the United States sided with Israel, but what the world still overwhelmingly recognizes is that the Golan Heights is Syrian land. But during the Trump administration, he acknowledged that it was Israeli land, not the United States. That's something that no one could have expected. Because in the past, there was the Bush administration and the father's Bush administration, so no one said it, but he did it. So, from Israel's point of view, wouldn't it be good if the Trump administration was almost good? It must be welcoming. But I don't know. What else will happen
◆Choi Soo-young: But I told you last time. I'm probably a little nervous because there's Trump on the dope.
◈Alpha Gosina: Everyone is mentioning that. Because he's the one behind Trump.
◇ Profit line: I'm not saying Biden was the first one to congratulate him when he won, so he was upset
◈Alpha Goshina: You blew up Twitter and I listened to all these things, and you're just doing it for me?
◆Choi Soo-young: But I think Netanyahu is changing his words right away. He sent a congratulatory call to Trump, saying he was the greatest return in history because he was elected this time.
◈Alpha Gosina: I will do the same. Because there's this, too. I don't know if I talked about it here. People keep focusing on Trump for his first son-in-law. Jewish son-in-law One of Trump's son-in-law is also an Arab man. The second daughter married a Lebanese man. And when I was voting for Arab voters in Michigan this time, his son-in-law took the lead.
◇Lee Ik-seon: Oh, that's what happened. According to a news report earlier, Trump sent a message to Putin saying, "Don't escalate the war when you talk to him on the phone." So does Putin like it inside?
◈Mr. Alpha Gosina: I don't know about that. Because he must be making various calculations about how Putin will go through Trump now. Because Russia, as you know, is a country with a south-south policy. The country is a little cold, so when we move from the Principality of Moscow to the Empire, we have to go to the warm sea. So in the north, we're going to hit Sweden, and here we're going to hit Iran and Turkiye, and we're going to come down eventually. It's in the Mediterranean Sea through Syria. So now Russia has to maintain some of the interests that it acquired in Syria through this war in Ukraine. So we need to see how the negotiations will proceed.
◆Choi Soo-young: You said the toughest summit of Trump's election is Iran. Then, I think the level of sanctions against Iran will be raised to some extent in the future.
◈Alpha Goshina: A lot of sanctions have already been imposed. In fact, it's because North Korea tests missiles. But Iran hasn't tested it yet. Even though we didn't experiment, the U.S. hit this much. That's why I know Iran. If we go up any further, the United Nations can now join the sanctions that the United States has hit alone. Iran's sanctions are U.S. sanctions, not U.N. sanctions. That's why I'm already almost subject to minimal sanctions. Iran is
◆Choi Soo-young: You're also interested in ukra. I mentioned Zelensky earlier.
◈Mr. Alphagosina: There's a map that I used to draw, and when I started the war, I drew a map. Russia will eat this much. That's how much I ate. Because, in Russia's view, this Ukrainian land wasn't originally its own, but we gave some of it to the Republic of Ukraine when we created the Soviet Union. If you're not a brother like you were in the past, you should give him back the land. And historically, it's a land that the Russian Empire took over from the Ottoman Empire, where the Ukrainians didn't go to war or do anything to get that land from the Ottoman Empire. So from the beginning, almost 95% of Russians live there. Actually, it's not even Russia. People in other regions and Russians lived there, and now under Ukraine, the proportion has changed little by little toward Ukraine, but just before the war broke out, the Russians passed the majority in some regions, especially in the Donbas region.
◆Choi Soo-young: That's right. I heard that pro-Russia is very strong there.
◈Alpha Goshina: So I don't think I'll give about a fifth or 20% of Ukraine, and there's probably an article now. Yesterday or the day before yesterday, the articles came out, and they gave the land to Russia, built some sort of armed zone in front of it, set up a European unit there, and the rest is Ukraine, so what did we have to fight for? Because Russia put pressure on us like that. Change the government quickly or we'll take the party. We went to war because we didn't like it, but then why did we go to war? And don't talk about NATO for 20 years.
◆Choi Soo-young: Then you can't even join NATO
◇ Interest line: But now, in the case of Trump, he may be a strong leader, but he doesn't seem to be a respected leader.
◈ Mr. Alpha Gosina: Some people respect him a lot.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: What do you respect?
◈Alpha Gosina: There's a little bit of a sense of alienation that people just talked about in the U.S. that the white-collar white people that we just talked about are people who have no ideas about how this country is going, but I think Trump has shown that alienation, so think about it now. Trump had legal issues and he should have paid a fine. At that time, everyone, I'm getting a legal coup right now. When I asked for help, people were fundraising and I was going to pay Trump's fine. But Trump is not on the same level as him. Wherever you go, you have your own plane and vacation home, and you're a very rich person, but you don't pay for it yourself, but the kids pay for it. This is what happens when you fall into political ideology.
◆ Choi Soo-young: Based on the camp's logic, even those who have it will help.
◈Alpha Goshina: Even those who don't have one will help.
◆ Choi Soo-young: We pay for those who have it.
◇ Profit line: Time is running out. I'll bring you back and talk to you. Today, we talked with AlphaGo Sina about the reaction of countries around the world to Trump's return from non-political talks. Thank you for coming forward.
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