[News UP] Minju, despite pressure to "prepare for impeachment"...Acting President Han, vetoing?

■ Host: anchor Yoon Jae-hee
■ Starring: Lee Chang-geun, chairman of the party's cooperation committee, Lee Dong-hak, former member of the supreme council of the Democratic Party of Korea

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[Anchor]
Let's continue to go into detail about it. Lee Chang-geun, the Power of the People Hanam, will be joined by Lee Dong-hak, former chairman of the party's cooperation committee, and former supreme council member of the Democratic Party of Korea. In a little while, an extraordinary state council meeting will be held at 10 o'clock. Six plow bills will be on the table, but it seems that acting authority Han Deok-soo is putting more weight on the veto. What do you think about the atmosphere?

[Changgeun Lee]
Of course, I think we should deliberate on the wrong law. However, the Democratic Party's logic is very high, appoint a justice of the Constitutional Court. But on the bill, they claim that if they veto it, they will impeach it. The Democrats are quite contradictory. In fact, among the laws that our party has consistently opposed, the Grain Management Act and the recent National Assembly Reinforcement Act, including Mayor Oh Se-hoon. Didn't CEO Lee Jae-myung also say he would discuss it again?
It's a very problematic law. This is because it is a law that suppresses companies, makes people's livelihoods difficult, and the economy is difficult, but it treats businessmen like criminals. So, of course, such laws should be deliberated and re-examined if re-examination is needed. But the Democrats can do this and this can't do this, this is a very poor logic.

[Anchor]
It seems to be true that some of the Democratic Party of Korea also believes that some bills, such as the Grain Act, need to be reviewed.

[Mobility]
First of all, the Democratic Party of Korea tells us that the forum for discussion is open at any time when there are differences between the government and the ruling party and the government. And in the case of Prime Minister Han Deok-soo, it is not an elected position. The president's authority is what the majority of the people voted for, so the authority eventually comes from there where the majority of votes have been received. However, Prime Minister Han Deok-soo is now appointed as a politician's authority. He's an acting president. That's why they say it's right to exercise passive authority, and in the case of veto, I think it's a very active expansion of one's authority. That's why I'm talking about self-restraint at those points. There will be advantages and disadvantages to this policy. However, in the end, the Democratic Party of Korea will bear the burden later on or the policy once passed doesn't mean that it will go on forever, right? If there is a disagreement, it can be revised again and if there is anything to supplement, it is to supplement it again. So at this point, I hope that Acting President Han Deok-soo will not veto the bill as the Democratic Party has also issued it.

[Anchor]
The Democratic Party has been strongly warning against impeachment, but some analysts say it will not immediately take out the impeachment card even if the veto is made today. What do you think?

[Mobility]
That's right. In a way, I'm talking about scaring the card that the Democratic Party has that it can impeach, but I don't think it's possible to actually do it. Because the president is now impeached and there is a virtual vacuum in state administration. Nevertheless, the prime minister is acting as an acting president, and this is not actually a stable system. However, even the prime minister said that if the Democratic Party of Korea impeached and left it vacant and then went down to the vice prime minister for economy and education, the anxiety that the people would feel is huge. So, the Democratic Party is considering even those parts, so I think it's a little hard for the Democratic Party to choose to impeach just by exercising the right to veto the law like this.

[Anchor]
If the veto is exercised today, shouldn't the discussion on related bills continue later?

[Changgeun Lee]
Of course, it should be continued, and the Democratic Party keeps saying that, but in fact, the Democratic Party prosecuted and led the impeachment against President Yoon Suk Yeol, and it is illegal for emergency martial law, right? I want to see the Constitution again. The authority to act as the president took over all the powers of the president. What that means is that what is stipulated in the Constitution is not enumeration. I took over all the overall authority, but this can't be done, this means that the Democratic Party of Korea should look at the constitution again. And isn't that what Representative Lee Jae-myung is claiming about impeachment? Jungkook is confused, but he will play his part.

He just said he would play that role, and he took out the impeachment card and pressured him, and this doesn't make sense. So, I hope that the Democratic Party lawmakers will look back on the Constitution once again, starting with Chairman Lee Jae-myung, who claims that the incident came because it violated the law and violated the Constitution. In the current unstable situation, it is not right to shake the prime minister and the acting president again. Therefore, if you say you will stabilize the political situation, I hope you will cooperate and act like a huge opposition party with an open mind.

[Anchor]
The independent counsel law should be concluded by the end of the year, but this seems to be a different atmosphere. There are two types of the Insurrection Special Prosecutor Act and the Kim Gun-hee Special Prosecutor Act, and the ruling party is talking about separate responses, right?

[Changgeun Lee]
That's the current atmosphere. However, on the premise of personal opinion, does the National Assembly exercise voting rights under the Permanent Special Prosecutor Act regarding the Special Prosecutor Act? He urged her and passed the Special Counsel Act under the Special Act. However, some members of our party agreed on this matter. Therefore, wouldn't this mean that if the prosecution or the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, the special prosecutor will be investigated if the investigation is insufficient? That's why in this atmosphere, it's right to go to this law. There are different opinions within the party on the Kim Gun-hee independent counsel law, but I think if the public is curious about the suspicions raised so far as a personal opinion, this should also be pointed out clearly. Therefore, even if there is such an atmosphere in the party, the people's power must take this opportunity to do everything in this way and in an open manner in front of the people, but they will regain the public's support. So I think in my personal opinion, these two laws are necessary to resolve the public's suspicions, and that's what I think.

[Anchor]
You said you should accept both, what is your opinion?

[Mobility]
If the power of the people is a party with many such opinions, the Democratic Party of Korea will also think very threatening. But I don't think that's the internal situation. As for Mrs. Kim Gun-hee, there are not many differences among the people.
There can be any disagreement on the policy issues before. There will certainly be some discussions between the ruling and opposition parties on that part. But this is about the rule of law that the president talked about. Justice, fairness, common sense. It's the same thing you've been talking about since the election, every time you open your mouth. However, none of the previous presidents have vetoed bills related to their families and themselves. But what on earth is Mrs. Kim Gun-hee, and the people say, "Who is that now? Why is the ruling party doing bulletproof until the end?" Of course, there are exceptions to the law and sanctuary to the law.

What's more, wasn't he a former attorney general? Previously, the previous prosecutor general said he would complete the investigation by the end of May and report it to the public, but he said hello in the middle. Then I read that the president has no will on this part, and even though the president is impeached, the prime minister exercises it again. What happens then? When are you going to save justice? Of course, I have no choice but to think about this, so this time, it is right to pass the Special Prosecutor Act and the Special Prosecutor Act of Kim Gun-hee, so I think it is right to resolve the suspicion.

[Anchor]
Isn't the Insurrection Special Prosecutor Act included in the investigation by Han Deok-soo himself? So, some point out that it will be even more difficult to exercise the right to veto.

[Changgeun Lee]
Don't look at that connection. As I said earlier, Prime Minister Han Deok-soo is the acting president. There is such an important task for the acting to be in charge of the country. So apart from that, the people do not believe in the investigation by the Constitution and the joint investigation led by the prosecution and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. If this situation comes, of course, we have to accept it. So there is no need to link such probabilities. As Prime Minister Han Deok-soo is acting, I don't think we should connect it that much if we act in such an open attitude to clear up this mess as declared in front of the people.

[Anchor]
There is still a question of whether Han Deok-soo will appoint three constitutional judges. The grounds for opposition to the power of the people have changed slightly. Citing the scope of the acting authority, the National Assembly prosecuted impeachment yesterday, and it is legally problematic for the National Assembly to decide judges. What do you think?

[Changgeun Lee]
This seems to be where the logic of the law and the political logic confront each other. And the positions of both parties have now changed during the impeachment of former President Park Geun Hye in the past. At that time, the Democratic Party is also contradictory compared to its current position. The power of our people is also frowned upon by the people. In our Constitution, when the president's vacancy or accident occurs, the Prime Minister and then the State Council member act on behalf of the president.

However, the Democratic Party of Korea's logic is that it should be done because it is an acting president, and as I said earlier, it is putting forward this poor logic that says, "Don't veto the bill." In addition, since this part is recommended by the National Assembly, the Democratic Party argues that if the National Assembly recommends it, the acting president or the president should make a passive appointment or procedural appointment. In our party, it is not right to exercise authority on this part because it is an acting authority. I'm working on the logic like this. Actually, this part needs to be resolved quickly. The Constitutional Court, which is in charge of impeachment, also said that it can be appointed, didn't it? So, the logic of the law and political logic should not be confronted about this, but should be coordinated with each other as soon as possible in the National Assembly. And didn't CEO Kwon Sung-dong or CEO Lee Jae-myung meet yesterday? This should be coordinated quickly so that the people won't be frowned upon.

[Anchor]
Anyway, the Democratic Party is going to start confirmation hearings next week as planned, right?

[Mobility]
Of course, the confirmation hearing should proceed. Before Kwon Sung-dong, the floor leader, Choo Kyung-ho, agreed on all of these issues. But now I turn it upside down. It reverses with the same logic. I think it will be difficult for the people to agree on this. We are in a state of crisis where the president could be fired. But judging this with an unstable constitutional court system can be very wrong historically in a way.

So I think it would be better to fill in as many as nine people and make a judgment based on perfection. Second, the ruling party continues to drag its feet, but in fact, it does not fit the politics of responsibility. This is not the party's mission, is it? It was an incident that continued for two and a half years, and eventually brought up what was called martial law in history and trampled the National Assembly with military fire. That's how this case is becoming a state vacuum, and the responsible ruling party doesn't respond to it by dragging its feet. That's why I think it's important to come out in a cooperative attitude so that you can quickly become a referee. Then, as I said earlier, there is a precedent for this. When Hwang Kyo-ahn was acting, there was a recommendation from the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, and then from the president. The president couldn't make that recommendation because he was in a state of vacancy. However, what the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court recommended was passed by Acting President Hwang Kyo-ahn. Therefore, I think there is no problem at all in recommending it because it is all up to the three people recommended by the National Assembly this time.

[Anchor]
Yesterday, Kwon Sung-dong, the acting leader of the People's Power Party, and Lee Jae-myung, the leader of the Democratic Party, held their first meeting. I'll watch the video for a bit. It was the first meeting between the leaders of the ruling and opposition parties since the presidential impeachment was passed, and it was unexpectedly friendly.

[Mobility]
I hope politics is restored. In the meantime, it has been difficult for the ruling and opposition parties to meet, and the president has failed to create a driving force for state affairs by turning the opposition party into a criminal group. But anyway, if your personal relationship was related to the extent that you were in the next room while preparing for the bar exam from a very young age, there's probably nothing you can't talk about.

And for two and a half years, the president really tried to do everything he wanted to do like a 5-year-old spoiled kid, but in the end, nothing worked out, right? Even if you look at such a path, just as the ruling party has accepted all the president's indulgence so far, it will eventually damage the people. Now, recognizing that and actively talking with the opposition party, the people are very thirsty. Aren't people's livelihoods very difficult right now? I hope that the political role at that point comes out. I desperately hope that the time for political restoration, which eventually produces some results through that, not just smiling and passing by on the screen, will come back.

[Anchor]
Yesterday, acting authority Kwon Sung-dong came out with a constitutional amendment card. I mentioned that it is time to change the presidential system, how do you think about it?

[Changgeun Lee]
Of course, it's the right time to discuss it. Because before the impeachment of President Yoon Suk Yeol, there was also discussion within the party as our party advocated an orderly resignation. However, it is questionable whether the opposition party will accept it or whether representative Lee Jae-myung will accept it when the presidential election is near. As you said, politics should really be restored, I agree. However, even when I see the budget passed, I wonder if the Democratic Party can say that now. While talking about restoring politics, on the other hand, we keep saying that state affairs are in crisis and confusion, and isn't it a one-way street?

That's the same with the budget. And neither the AI law nor the semiconductor law, which claims so for the sake of the people's livelihood or the economy, agree. Given this, it is questionable whether the Democratic Party will accept the constitutional amendment card in a really open manner. But at this point, the time has come for real discussion. Doesn't everyone feel the people as the limits to the presidential system go through another impeachment? So, if you want to restore politics as the Democratic Party said, please open your mind like a giant opposition party with an open attitude for the budget, legislation, and people's livelihoods and state affairs, as well as the constitutional amendment card.

[Anchor]
Representative Lee Jae-myung seems to have mentioned the necessity of appointing the Minister of Defense. However, the question of whether the minister, especially the defense minister, can be appointed under the acting system seems to remain.

[Mobility]
If politics is restored, isn't politics consultation and coordination? But in fact, there hasn't been that. You just mentioned the budget, but the president didn't come to the speech. We have not made an effort to actively persuade the National Assembly to cooperate with next year's budget. After that, he didn't come to the opening ceremony of the National Assembly. That's why I didn't acknowledge it as a partner in conversation. However, I will consult with the opposition, whether it is the ruling party or the prime minister. It is very important that we are now the defense minister in a national crisis anyway. Of course, the person who caused the martial law is also in custody. Shouldn't we go to a new country after that?

Since this is something that we have to keep moving forward, the opposition party also considers this very important. In that sense, he showed an attitude to actively cooperate. I would like to say that this is the authority of the ruling party, not to talk about it again and to show the attitude of pushing the opposition outside, but to show them to the people so that they can feel safe.

[Anchor]
Representative Lee Jae-myung again called for participation in the State Security Council, saying that he could make concessions to all necessary parts. How far do we go about the necessary part?

[Mobility]
This means that the opposition party is now saying that it will make a lot of concessions on its huge power. The necessary part is that the ruling party basically has real power right now, right? Of course, there is virtually no ruling party after Lee Jae-myung's impeachment, and there is no opposition party anymore. They're all neutral parties. I said that.Nevertheless, the ruling party's character or things like this would not have changed in public perception anyway. In that sense, he has real power anyway, and I think that Solomon's trial gives a glimpse of the same thoughts as his mother's heart, and the people are like that.

In the end, the mother's heart is to split that child in half, so split it in half and separate the child. It's not like this, but the real mother is saying, "Don't cut the child, I'll give the child away." That's what the people are like. So, he is a fellow citizen who is the subject of affection and needs to develop the history of this country together. If there is anything necessary at that point, the ruling party will propose everything first, and if there is anything really necessary at that point, we will cooperate. That's what I'm saying. However, just follow what you have been doing unilaterally. Why don't you have any arms because you're an opposition party? Don't do this, but I think you need to show your arms.

[Anchor]
Now, the ruling party seems to have a different opinion on the issue of concessions and leadership on the necessary parts that Chairman Lee Jae-myung talked about.

[Changgeun Lee]
It's a matter of authenticity. As the Democratic Party said, if it comes out in a really open manner, there's no reason not to accept it. However, the ruling party hasn't done anything unilaterally right now. In the National Assembly, everything is a one-way street by the opposition, especially in the 22nd generation. So is the budget, so is the bill. However, the appointment of the Minister of National Defense and the National Security Council are also contradictory.
Because as I said before, appoint it and do not exercise your veto power. But let's talk about the appointment of the defense minister. I will make concessions while talking about the National Security Council. Do you think it's sincere?

If the logic is consistent and it's really open, I accept it, but if it's not, how will the people see it again? So I think it's a question of whether the Democratic Party's attitude is really open or sincere.

[Anchor]
Let's take a look at the situation within the party of the people's power. Yesterday's parliamentary meeting also failed to conclude the chairman of the emergency committee, but pro-Yoon-gye senior officials were mentioned. Yesterday's conclusion was that we would gather opinions for each player. What kind of atmosphere is it?

[Changgeun Lee]
Regarding the chairman of the emergency committee, our party has no face in front of the people. This is because if the emergency committee chairman is appointed this time, less than three years after President Yoon took office, the leadership system will change for the 12th time. It's really shameful. In the meantime, consensus has been reached at the chairman of the emergency committee, and it is hoped that someone who knows politics will come to an agreement. That's why it's narrowed down to personnel in the party.

However, there was also a counter-argument that the power of the people is not to be seen in front of the people if some senior members opposed impeachment. Then, Rep. Kim Jae-seop, the first-term lawmaker, became a prospect and came like that, didn't he? I think that's the atmosphere right now. If the people's power does not turn around at this opportunity, it will not really win the public's hearts. There's definitely that sense of crisis. Therefore, even Kim Jae-seop, a first-term lawmaker, is on the list and such discussions are continuing, and I think there will be various opinions.

As a result, acting representative Kwon Sung-dong will gather opinions for each player in the first, second, and third terms. Because it can be difficult to freely express your opinions when everyone is together. The atmosphere is in the protocol. That's why I think there's an alternative. How can we win the public's hearts with an open attitude this time? The time has come to think about it like this.

[Anchor]
In fact, critic Park Sang-gyu came out during our news-up yesterday and mentioned that the first-term should be the chairman of the emergency committee and that senior members should play a role in supporting him. What do you think? Rep. Kim Jae-seop is now a first-term lawmaker, but with such a prospect, do you think there is a possibility for the opposition party?

[Mobility]
From the standpoint of watching, I think the line of the emergency committee chairman has already been set. If the line is set, there is also a limited space for the emergency committee chairman to move. We usually tell teenagers that they get derailed. That's to set the line of adults and say, "You can't go over here." Until now, most of the roles of the representatives of the People's Power Party have been evicted when they cross the line set by the president. Recently, CEO Han Dong-hoon was also kicked out. If you try to support the public sentiment even a little, it is not appropriate as a representative of the people's power.

So I think Rep. Kim Jae-seop is a very good politician, even though he had a hard time making various choices this time, but if he becomes the chairman of the emergency committee this time, the thoughts of senior members of the people's power and the atmosphere that is going on will be so hopeless that I think I will destroy a decent politician. I think the people also think so. I'm saying that the white medicine is invalid.

[Anchor]
In the case of Rep. Kim Jae-seop, he publicly expressed his support for the impeachment of President Yoon Suk Yeol. Isn't it different from floor leader Kwon Sung-dong, who is pro-yoon? Is it okay to have sugar harmony or something like that?

[Changgeun Lee]
Now, I think we need to go with a very open attitude when it comes to harmony. And even if Rep. Kim Jae-seop becomes chairman of the emergency committee, there was a very active debate within the party as it went through the impeachment process anyway. Of course, the party was against impeachment, but some lawmakers also agreed. And now, in front of public sentiment and in front of the people, everyone has the will to be humble and change.

Therefore, there is no problem with harmony at all, but how did the people's power change in the eyes of the people? This is an important topic. That's why this card came out, so this opportunity really shows that the party is transforming itself. As the Democratic Party is worried, our party will be dictated by the president again, not right now. That's why I hope you watch the change.

[Anchor]
You don't know when the results will come out yet, do you?

[Changgeun Lee]
It has to come out soon. It can't last for a long time. So maybe this week, as early as possible. That's how I think it will come to a conclusion.

[Anchor]
That's all for today's talk. In fact, former Supreme Council member Lee Dong-hak got hurt all of a sudden today, so we didn't know. Thank you for coming out even though you're not feeling well. Lee Chang-geun, chairman of the party's cooperation committee, joined Hanam, the power of the people, and Lee Dong-hak, former member of the Democratic Party of Korea. Thank you.