What does it mean to act according to the people's hearts?

■ Host: anchor Lee Harin
■ Appearance: Kim Geun-sik, professor of Kyungnam University, former lawmaker of the Justice Party Park Won-seok

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[Anchor]
A political commentary with a living angle, the current affairs begin on the sharp edge. We have the two of you here again today. Professor Kim Geun-sik of Kyungnam University and former lawmaker Park Won-seok came out. Welcome, two of you. Let's check the first keyword first. It's time to act. Following a dinner with close lawmakers over the weekend, Chairman Han Dong-hoon met with the chairmen of the party's cooperation outside the assembly yesterday. There was also talk about Mrs. Kim Gun-hee. In particular, CEO Han Dong-hoon said, "It's time to act," drawing attention. Professor Kim Geun-sik also went there yesterday, right?

[Keunsik Kim]
Yes, I attended in the morning and had a luncheon at a Chinese restaurant in Yeouido, representative Han Dong-hoon. And after the luncheon, there is an order in the afternoon, but I attended in the afternoon, but I couldn't stay until the end because I had another broadcast.

[Anchor]
I heard you said the most impressive thing.

[Keunsik Kim]
I've heard that there was a heated discussion for about 90 minutes from 3 p.m. to 4:30 p.m., and CEO Han Dong-hoon had a free discussion without any order or order.

In particular, the party's chairman outside the party said that public sentiment seems to have reached a critical point, unlike the current lawmaker, and in particular, some people said they would leave the party because of Kim Gun-hee, and in fact, the party's wise response regarding Kim Gun-hee should be centered on the party leader even now.

Otherwise, it could actually be a difficult time later, this sense of crisis. Should I say that it is a signal of the crisis in the public sentiment heard on the spot? While talking about these things a lot, the mainstream was that measures should be taken well, centered on CEO Han Dong-hoon.

[Anchor]
What do you mean by saying that you have to be very strict and careful about Mrs. Kim?

[Keunsik Kim]
Therefore, most of the speakers call for our party's wise response to the First Lady Kim Gun-hee's risk, Chairman Han Dong-hoon's correct solution, and the smart response related to First Lady Kim Gun-hee between the government and the government, so of course, Han Dong-hoon would have been a form of answering questions or raising questions because it was a free time for dialogue, but what Han Dong-hoon said is taking a stern look at First Lady Kim Gun-hee as you said. There are even people who think it's not severe, but that's not true.

That's why I'm taking it seriously. However, it is not yet time for us to make a decision and gather consensus on this part, so I accepted the idea to make a decision with the party if it comes time to make a decision after looking at the state of the parliamentary audit.

[Anchor]
I wonder what the stern response will be. CEO Han Dong-hoon said it's time to act. What does that mean?

[Park Won-seok]
Professor Kim Geun-sik expressed the actual atmosphere at the meeting yesterday with the chairmen of the party's cooperation committee, but I think there were more direct demands than that. So, I think there were a lot of requests that the party should make an open and organized voice on the apology of First Lady Kim Gun-hee. I think CEO Han Dong-hoon talked about that message in the form of expressing sympathy or responding to it.

In fact, the opposition party's offensive against the government's administration in Yoon Suk Yeol is focused on First Lady Kim Gun-hee, especially Kim Gun-hee's intervention in state affairs, the manipulation of Deutsche Motors' stock prices, and luxury bags of First Lady Kim Gun-hee could be personal irregularities or before she became president, but intervention in state affairs, personnel intervention, and nomination intervention are on a completely different level.

In a way, it is a very sensitive issue that can lead to the president's grave violation of constitutional law, so of course, it should be handled carefully as representative Han Dong-hoon. And it has to be dealt with severely. I think we have no choice but to react like this.

Recently, a series of recordings and revelations have added to such suspicions, and in a way, public sentiment is very bad, adding fuel to such public sentiment, and the direct hit of such public sentiment is probably taken by the chairmen of the outside party's cooperation committee.

Therefore, I think the chairmen of the party's cooperation committee have no choice but to make such an order that they have to shake off this risk. In fact, it is difficult for Han Dong-hoon to overcome the current party's approval rating, his own approval rating, and the president's assessment of state affairs without resolving the first lady's risk issue in any way. I think we've reached this perception.

[Anchor]
In the midst of this, some lawmakers seem to be disappointed with CEO Han Dong-hoon's recent move. I'd like you to show me the graphic. Kwon Young-se and Kwon Sung-dong, who are classified as pro-Yoon-gye, also expressed their opinion that they are inappropriate. From Professor Kim Geun-sik's point of view, how do you see the reaction of pro-Yoon-gye like that?

[Keunsik Kim]
Of course, Rep. Kwon Sung-dong is a senior member of our party and has led the presidential election to victory since he was a presidential candidate. Kwon Young-se is also a member of the election committee who played a huge role in creating the government as the head of the election team, so I don't think there is a need to see them with colored glasses as a faction called pro-yoon and close. So, as a senior and senior member of the party, I think he was talking about the general principle that it is not desirable for the party to be seen as conflicted or divided anymore.

Nevertheless, if you want to explain a little personally, yesterday, the day before. The so-called dinner on the night before yesterday was in return for the incumbent lawmakers who helped Han Dong-hoon during the national convention, so let's meet all together to see each other, express our gratitude, and work hard for the party and prepare well for the parliamentary audit. I think it was a close meeting between these extremely principled party leaders and active lawmakers.

For example, after the national convention, then candidate Won Hee-ryong or Na Kyung-won probably ate with those who helped her. Isn't that human nature? In that sense, I don't have to call it a friendly dinner. The timing is strange. Because last week, the president invited 20 floor leaders except for representative Han Dong-hoon to dinner, so in a situation where there are many gossip articles about Yoon Han conflict, representative Han Dong-hoon gathered about 20 lawmakers separately, and it is seen as a conflict.Ma, I think it's a ganglion meeting.

I think it was a dinner that could have been enough in return for those who helped me in the party leadership election. Yesterday's luncheon for the chairman of the outside party cooperation committee was prepared for a long time. A joint meeting and consultative meeting of the chairmen of the outside party cooperation committee are officially formed, and the voice of the outside party cooperation committee chairman is formed in the Party Constitutional Party Regulations.

But I've never organized it before. So this time, we officially formed it and spoke about the party's voice and requirements, so we set the date, but we were going to meet and talk a lot for 1 night and 2 days, but we didn't have to set the date right now, so I don't think there's a need to look at it with colored glasses.

[Anchor]
He analyzed that we should be wary of enlarged interpretation. On the other hand, Shin Ji-ho, the Minister of Strategic Planning for People's Power, who attended yesterday, interpreted CEO Han Dong-hoon's words like this. Let's listen to it.

[Anchor]
The moment to take action beyond your worries is approaching. By the way, do you think Kim Gun-hee should be prosecuted?

[Park Won-seok]
I think that's quite a controversial statement. If the prosecution does not indict the Deutsche Motors stock price manipulation case following the luxury bag case, it will be difficult for the party to escape from the so-called Kim Gun-hee risk.

Therefore, from the ruling party's point of view, the prosecution seems to be aware of the situation that it is better to prosecute the Deutsche Motors stock price manipulation case because there are various evidence and circumstances now.

In fact, Vice-President Shin Ji-ho is in charge of the party's strategic planning department, and isn't he a representative close aide to Han? But I think the fact that such a person is aware of such a situation generally shows an atmosphere within the party.

There are rumors that the prosecution will reach a conclusion on the Deutsche Motors stock price manipulation case soon, and that the prosecution will be cleared of indictment. However, in recent media reports, first lady Kim Gun-hee took the lead in participating in the Deutsche Motors stock price manipulation case, not the allegation of aiding and abetting it. Despite the fact that such circumstantial evidence is coming out and the prosecution is aware of it, it has been lukewarm about the investigation, and if the prosecution concludes that it will cover up the case, but if so, the ruling party will be reluctant to block the opposition's attack on the special prosecution law.

This is a warning because four votes were left last time, but if that happens and the Special Prosecutor Act is proposed again and comes up to the National Assembly plenary session after that, can we guarantee that the votes can be managed within eight votes? I think the leave vote could exceed eight votes.

It's a bank collapse. In fact, it is the same meaning that the president's veto is neutralized, and it is the same as the collapse of the psychological defense line that the president's impeachment is possible in the National Assembly. In order not to face such a situation, a proper solution to the Kim Gun-hee problem is needed. I think they're saying that it's time to make that voice.

[Anchor]
In the midst of this, if CEO Han Dong-hoon hits former administrator Kim Dae-nam, or CEO Han Dong-hoon, yesterday, she will like it, and she is the main character of the transcript of the controversy. Regarding former administrator Kim Dae-nam, he ordered a fact-finding investigation at the party level. However, he has already resigned from the audit of Seoul Guarantee Insurance. And the party also left the party. But does the party's appreciation work?

[Keunsik Kim]
Before leaving the party, I was a member of the party, so I think the party level decided to hold an ethics committee meeting yesterday and conduct a party audit as a result of the ethics committee meeting. In fact, former administrator Kim Dae-nam joined a certain camp during the national convention in a kind of alliance with the Internet media, which has a hostile position on the power of the Korean people against the so-called candidate Han Dong-hoon
The content of killing CEO Han Dong-hoon has been confirmed.

[Anchor]
We talked about this again with the person who put Mrs. Kim in trouble. [Kim Geun-sik] Actually, he did something really weird that couldn't happen, that couldn't happen as a political party, that couldn't happen as a party member, that couldn't happen because he was an administrator in the presidential office. I think the party leadership thinks that we can't just leave it behind. So I left the party and resigned as SGI's auditor.Ma doesn't think it can cover up his past.

[Anchor]
It's not an investigative agency. Because I don't have the right to investigate.

[Keunsik Kim]
To conduct a party audit, I may call an individual to investigate the contents that the administrator Kim Dae-nam colluded with the sound of Seoul in the process, and I don't know if the individual will comply with the summons. If that's not the case, isn't there an unfounded misinformation that the so-called Han Dong-hoon's opinion poll, which was reported on Seoul's Voice Broadcasting?

The party can also investigate through whom the source of the story was heard. Since this is a story from a kind of white paper special committee for the general election, we can call people related to the white paper for investigation. There's something that some officials are talking to each other about right now.

As I have to check such matters, I think it would be better for the party to conduct an audit on this matter and get to the bottom of it as soon as it has the details, and even if Chairman Han Dong-hoon openly said yesterday that he would do it if legal action was needed, he would do it, so if this is the basis of the party law or democracy, he would do this kind of impossible thing at the party's convention.

[Anchor]
How can I act under party law?

[Keunsik Kim]
I don't know because I'm not a lawyer.Ma may be punished if there is something he can do even by breaking the law to drop his opponent. So, considering that, the party understands that it is not a step to move on and leave it behind, just because it is a personal projection of former administrator Kim Dae-nam.

[Anchor]
As you said, CEO Han Dong-hoon ordered an audit. Some are also raising questions about who is behind former administrator Kim Dae-nam. Let's listen to the interview of Supreme Council member Jang Dong-hyuk this morning.

[Anchor]
So-called Han Dong-hoon's alleged attacker. When asked who he thought was behind former administrator Kim Dae-nam, we cannot conclude, but it is difficult to say that he did this kind of content alone, should we interpret it like this?

[Park Won-seok]
That's right. Anyway, you say that it was your personal desire to show off, it was a private conversation, but it's hard to believe it. Wasn't he an administrator in the presidential office at the time? In addition, the very sensitive story of the election, so that the general election white paper committee did not leak it to the outside world, went on, and it was used as a subject where the other candidate attacked candidate Han Dong-hoon in the party leadership election.

Therefore, we have no choice but to doubt whether there is some kind of flow and what is behind it. As long as I am a public servant, I don't think I can just ask and move on like nothing happened when there was such a kind of craftsmanship at the party's national convention.

Of course, we have to get to the bottom of it. However, can the truth be confirmed by conducting a party audit at the time that he left the party? There's no coercion in party audit. In the end, I think we have no choice but to take such compulsory measures as accusations by investigative agencies. Perhaps there are points within the party regarding the background.

Since what was said at the general election white paper committee was leaked and used as the subject of Han Dong-hoon's attack, there must be something to be guessed, but we can't talk about it now, because it hasn't been confirmed. However, if it is accused and the investigation begins, it is difficult to hide such facts. It's an issue that can be confirmed quickly. However, politically, will Chairman Han Dong-hoon risk the so-called discord within the party and go all the way? There seems to be a political judgment on this matter.

[Anchor]
He said that there is a political judgment on whether to go all the way, but in the case of lawmaker Jang Dong-hyuk, he mentioned Na Kyung-won and Won Hee-ryong at the time.

[Keunsik Kim]
As I talked about it, I think it went that far. What's important is that if the party's audit committee investigates it, and if a law enforcement agency investigates it, it is necessary to check where former administrator Kim Dae-nam heard it, who he colluded with, or who he collaborated with to tell the story to the sound of Seoul.

In the process, Jang Dong-hyuk talked about during the national convention at the time, so wasn't there Na Kyung-won, Won Hee-ryong, and Yoon Sang-hyun? However, former administrator Kim Dae-nam was in Na Kyung-won's candidate camp at the time, as a special report. And we worked together.

Then, coincidentally, candidate Won Hee-ryong officially proposed the issue at the candidate debate and launched an offensive. So I don't think it's going to be that bad.Ma can also be interpreted as having the question of whether former administrator Kim Dae-nam would have painted such a big picture alone in the big picture.

[Anchor]
I think there will be anger inside the power of the people. I explained yesterday during an interview with former administrator Kim Dae-nam and KBS. It would be nice if you could show me the graphic. Let's look at the graphic content. The reporter constantly said he was sorry for releasing Kim's recordings. I don't know if I made that expression to approach it intentionally, but I accepted it purely at the time.

Please show us the next graphic as well. It was a conversation on a private level, thinking that if I communicate this with the lady, she might like it. But now that I look at it, it has become a secret story as if it is a work to destroy CEO Han Dong-hoon. I explained it like this. Senator Park, how did you see that explanation?

[Park Won-seok]
He says that out of self-defense and self-excuse.Ma, a public official in the presidential office at the time, talked to a reporter from a media outlet who was in a very uncomfortable relationship with the presidential office, and talked about things that could be very sensitive, and if he was not wary that it could be recorded or leaked outside, he was either lying or he was not qualified for such a public office. You don't even have a minimal sense of security, do you?

In addition, it includes expressions that disparage the president, and the fact that First Lady Kim Gun-hee intervened in trying to nominate someone and that she would like to attack Han Dong-hoon is included in the conversation. In a way, he tried to make a contribution by using the media "Sound of Seoul" and on the other hand, he tried to do political work by utilizing the uncomfortable atmosphere of representative Han Dong-hoon flowing in Yongsan or Hannam-dong.

Therefore, it's not a matter that can be overlooked just because it was my personal careless comment. Just a moment ago it was just a self-excuse. In the end, whether it is a party audit or an investigation by an investigative agency, if a detailed investigation is conducted, more specific circumstances or facts will be confirmed, and as a result, it provided an excuse to suspect that Kim Gun-hee was involved in the national convention of the people's power. That alone is very inappropriate, but he quit his job as SGI Seoul Guarantee auditor.It took a long time for Ma to quit.

He says that it's actually difficult for a third-level administrator to go to such a position. It's a wonder that he even went to the place, but seeing that it took him so long to quit even though he was caught up in such a scandal, it's possible to interpret that there's something to believe in. I think those things need to be confirmed more.

[Anchor]
It is said that this was mentioned at yesterday's meeting with Chairman Han Dong-hoon of the party's cooperation committee. I will be responsible for the local elections.

[Keunsik Kim]
The term of the party leader is two years. However, according to the party constitution, those who will run in the presidential race are supposed to resign from the party's leadership a year and a half before the presidential election.

[Anchor]
The local elections are in June 2026. And the presidential election is March 2027.

[Keunsik Kim]
In other words, if the current party leader finishes his term in office in two years, he can have the baton until the local elections.

[Anchor]
Han Dong-hoon's fans must have been surprised all of a sudden.

[Keunsik Kim]
That's right. In any case, if you intend to enter the presidential race, you should abandon your position as party leader by September next year. Then it's actually hard to direct local elections. However, what I said yesterday is that he did not show his will to lead the local elections by changing the party's constitutional rules. When I go somewhere and talk openly or privately, I always say that I must win the local election in two years and I will do my best to win the presidential election in three years.

As a leader of the party, I think the fundamental narrative is that I will work hard to overcome this crisis by joining forces with more than 100 chairmen of the party's cooperation committee yesterday, so I will work hard like a grain of wheat so that the local elections in two years, the presidential election in three years, and our party can re-create the government.

[Anchor]
It did not mean that Han Dong-hoon would not run for president or change the party's constitutional rules, but that he would make efforts to hold local elections in a fundamental sense.

[Keunsik Kim]
Of course. Who in our party doesn't cry out for victory in local elections?

[Park Won-seok]
But you can see it that way, but I don't think CEO Han Dong-hoon is someone who doesn't know the repercussions, controversies, or things that that will bring. So I think I've laid down the intention to revise the party constitution. And from the perspective of the people's power, if Han Dong-hoon resigns from his position as party leader in September next year due to his presidential bid, he will probably hold a national convention again or an emergency committee system will be established. Under the current circumstances, is there a person with leadership who can nominate and lead the election in addition to the vacuum in which Han Dong-hoon resigned?

In that respect, shouldn't the party be in charge of directing local elections even by revising the party constitution over time? Until then, if there is no substitute with leadership comparable to that of CEO Han Dong-hoon, such public opinion may come out. I think it's a step forward in preparation for such public opinion.

[Anchor]
I see. Let's move on to the next keyword, video. a parliamentary audit

[Anchor]
The 22nd National Assembly's first parliamentary inspection began yesterday, with the opposition being Kim Gun-hee, and the ruling party being Lee Jae-myung, raising suspicions about Kim at all 10 standing committees. On the other hand, ruling party lawmakers are focusing on Lee Jae-myung's judicial risk. I think the ruling and opposition parties have strategized, but I don't know if this is the head of the National Assembly or the court.

[Keunsik Kim]
I'm also complicated from a political standpoint. The parliamentary inspection is that the legislature audits each agency of the administration once a year with the authority guaranteed by the Constitution. That's what parliamentary audit means. So don't you have a budget that the administration's affiliates have done their job properly for a year and the National Assembly has passed?

It's actually the only check on the executive branch of the legislature, making sure they've spent the budget properly. It's also the opposition's time because it's about evaluating, directing, and criticizing. Then, I think it's right to end the parliamentary inspection period with such content. I'm on the screen for a second.I think it is complicated from the same political standpoint because the ruling party is likely to spend all of its time in parliamentary inspection only as the ruling party and the opposition party as the opposition party.

In particular, in the case of the Democratic Party of Korea, the inspection itself was named the National Assemblyman of the End, and all of them are done with Kim Gun-hee. All the related standing committees raked in all the unconfirmed suspicions related to First Lady Kim Gun-hee and applied for witnesses unconditionally. Because the number of Democratic Party members is too high, there is no way to prevent them from applying for witnesses.

In the past, all witness requests were made by agreement between the ruling and opposition parties. There is no way to stop the ruling-opposition agreement because it has been a long time since the 22nd National Assembly has already gone missing. Then, don't all the parliamentary inspection adopt suspicions related to Kim Gun-hee and witnesses related to Kim Gun-hee, and even issue an order to accompany him as mentioned earlier?

If you issue a companion order and refuse to comply with it, you can legally file a complaint. If we continue this kind of endless political strife, we are worried about people's livelihood and budget, the political function of the parliamentary audit, the legislature's oversight of the administration, and where this will go.

[Anchor]
There was a war of nerves between the ruling and opposition parties regarding the attendance of the key witnesses you mentioned. Let's listen to the recording. Let's listen to the remarks of the ruling and opposition lawmakers.

[Anchor]
As I showed you in the video earlier, the Democratic Party of Korea is now out looking for witnesses. Thirty thousand miles in search of witnesses. Do lawmakers usually go out in person like this?

[Park Won-seok]
It's a rare case. Usually, when an accompanying order is issued, employees of the National Assembly Legislative Investigation Office and employees of the National Assembly Secretariat deliver it.

[Anchor]
Lawmaker Yoon Gun-young said he would follow him to the end of the earth and set up a witness to find the truth.

[Park Won-seok]
Representative Yoon Gun-young is probably the secretary of the opposition party. So, I accompanied him to the execution site of the accompanying order with the intention of highlighting this issue more clearly. As such, the parliamentary inspection is very fierce in a way, and on the one hand, as Professor Kim Geun-sik said, this is not a parliamentary inspection of people's livelihoods or the National Assembly's monitoring of the administration, but in fact, I think the government and the ruling party are constantly providing such an excuse.

In particular, despite all the suspicions related to the Kim Gun-hee issue, there is no proper explanation, apology, or disclosure about him, so the opposition party has no choice but to raise the issue. In fact, I think this is a very unproductive and inefficient factor for state administration. There have always been such political elements in past parliamentary inspection, and the administration tries to hide something, and the opposition party tries to reveal something, but this is the first time that the issue has expanded to the president's denial issue and the battle over the issue is endless.

This itself is very inefficient and in a way, I think it wastes the function of the National Assembly. In that respect, the investigative agency or the court should explain the suspicions related to Kim Gun-hee, apologize for the allegations, and respond judicially, but the ruling party lawmakers in that position defend themselves, but it must be very frustrating at heart.

[Anchor]
I was talking about a witness to the parliamentary inspection. Lastly, among the people who were selected as witnesses for the inspection of the parliamentary inspection this time, the most prominent person is the issue maker these days. It's Myung Taekyun. These days, I'm making a one-sided argument while interviewing various media, so can I come out as a witness?

[Keunsik Kim]
I don't know. First of all, I think it can be adopted as a witness. If possible, there is also a system called issuing an accompanying order. In addition, Myung Tae-kyun is leading the interview in various media, so there is a possibility that he can come out.

[Anchor]
Emphasizing the relationship with the president and his wife, he shows off his power, right?

[Keunsik Kim]
That's right. If you look at the interviews that Myung Taekyun is doing, he's unstoppable. And I don't know if it's before or after the election, but I think it's true that I've met with the president and his wife. I think it's also true that they had friendships.

If so, there could be details related to it and an outspoken exaggeration that Myung Tae-kyun is saying, but I don't think the Democratic Party will stay still on this, so if Myung Tae-kyun comes to the parliamentary inspection as a witness and testifies at the parliamentary inspection, it is true that our party is also confused because it will have a considerable impact.

[Anchor]
Let me reiterate that Myung Tae-kyun's remarks were a one-sided argument. I'll stop here with Jungkook's news today. Professor Kim Geun-sik of Kyungnam University and former lawmaker Park Won-seok joined. Thank you both.