[News NIGHT] "Myeongtae Gyun Controversy" Conflict...Yoon-Han Sol-dae after the October 16 by-elections

■ Host: anchor Sung Moon-gyu
■ Appearance: Jang Sung-ho, former president of Konkuk University Graduate School of Public Administration, Park Chang-hwan, special professor at Jangan University

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[Anchor]
It's a focus night time to point out the news of political interest. Today, we will be joined by Jang Sung-ho, former president of Konkuk University Graduate School of Public Administration, and Park Chang-hwan, a special professor at Jangan University. Hello, both of you. On the third day of the parliamentary audit, the ruling and opposition parties also clashed over allegations of intervention in the nomination of Kim Gun-hee. Let's listen to the on-site remarks first.

[Yang Boo-nam / Minjoo Party lawmaker: If what Myung Tae-kyun said was true, Yoon Suk Yeol did not pay back the poll fees he had to give in the presidential election and gave him the nomination in return. And he was publicly threatened by the people. By the way, it's a embarrassing story for the people to hear. ]

[Kim In-um / People's Power: I think this is not a nomination intervention by the president or the first lady, but rather a case in which two greedy politicians and a bluster-like person collaborated to sell the president and the first lady to take care of their own bottom lines.. ]

[Shin Jeong-hoon / Chairman of the National Assembly's Public Administration and Security Committee (member of the Democratic Party of Korea): (Former lawmaker Kim Young-sun and Myung Tae-kyun) I would like to issue an accompanying order for two witnesses to appear at the audit, is there any objection? ]

[National Assembly Secretariat Investigator] The National Assembly Secretariat is here to execute the accompanying order. Are you there? ]

[Seo Bum-soo / Secretary-General of People's Power: We need to investigate how the party's security number was transferred to Myung Tae-kyun and how it was used.... ]

[Park Chan-dae / Floor Leader of the Democratic Party of Korea: If the allegations surrounding Myung are true, it is a clear second manipulation of state affairs that is comparable to Choi Soon-sil's manipulation of state affairs that brought down the Park Geun Hye administration. ]

[Anchor]
In fact, when Myung Tae-kyun first appeared, there were talks about the general election and the last by-elections with former lawmaker Kim Young-sun, but things are rising up until the presidential election. The opposition party's offensive is quite intense as allegations have been raised that they engaged in illegal polling activities and reported it to President Yoon.

[PARK CHANG HWAN]
In the first place, Myung's name began to appear, with former lawmaker Kim Young-sun's lobbying for the nomination and Kim's intervention in the nomination. At that time, it was like a broker through public opinion polls in Changwon or Gyeongnam. However, as Myung Tae-kyun's mouth opened, shocking stories are coming out every day to the extent that it is no exaggeration to say that the Republic of Korea has been turned upside down. In the end, they threaten the president and his wife in broad daylight. When he opens his mouth, he even talks about impeachment and resignation. Specifically, there are suspicions about what they did now, and they said they didn't talk about one-twentieth of what they did, but they're already talking about shocking things. He also led the meeting with Lee Joon-seok and met with Kim Jong-in, then chairman of the emergency committee, and when Yoon Suk Yeol joined the party under the influence of the people, he marked the date of joining the party. He is not the only one. the main presidential candidates of the ruling camp I'm not saying I met them all. In this way, it is not an exaggeration to say that we are the behind-the-scenes power of the people. The ruling party says it's a political broker and it's a myth, but I've never seen a broker with such substance. In that sense, I don't think it will be an easy controversy.

[Anchor]
However, that doesn't mean that the passport is protecting Myung Tae-kyun, but now there are talks about collaborators and crooks.

[Jang Sung Ho]
Anyway, this should be revealed through the prosecution's investigation, and isn't Myung Tae-kyun's long-term so-called so-called "broker" as a politician? This is what works for a long time in Gyeongsang Province, where polls have a certain way of making ends meet. I've had elections too, but it's nice to bring the phone numbers of 100 or 1000 people when holding elections. Therefore, it will come out later, but the fact that there are hundreds of thousands of party members or phone books can be sent to the machine at the same time during the election, so-called Dongbo characters, for various text messages, note news, and publicity of candidates. I officially reported it to the NEC. From that point of view, everyone does this, but it is said that the president joined the party, but is there any evidence that he did it then? I think I'm gaslighting the other way around. Anyone can do this. But can't you meet anyone from the standpoint of a presidential candidate? I met everyone and got one vote for this person and one vote for that person. There are quite a lot of people around me, such as the power of the people and the Democratic Party, because it is the period of political people that I want to meet anyone who is a vote for me. Nevertheless, the case of former lawmakers Myung Tae-kyun and Kim Young-sun has been raised in any way, so isn't Myung Tae-kyun constantly shedding something through Facebook or interviews? I met someone then. You can meet them. Is that a crime? I can't be guilty, but as I said during the Park Geun Hye presidency in the past that this is really a manipulation of state affairs, is there a reasonable situation or not? This is quite important, and in order to do that, aren't you already talking about it? And since the prosecution is investigating political funds in relation to the election law, I think that if the prosecution takes judicial action on this as soon as possible, the substance will be revealed from now on.

[Anchor] They think you can meet
.

[Jang Sung Ho]
I think we can meet.

[Anchor] Do you think you can meet
? So what's the problem now? What do you think the key is?

[Jang Sung Ho]
In opposition parties, Myung Tae-kyun intervenes in everything in state affairs and decides everything, and then Yoon Suk Yeol's presidential candidate is a scarecrow. Isn't this what you want to do? And in the last general election, Myung Tae-kyun intervened in the nomination through First Lady Kim Gun-hee, and it is true. The opposition party's argument is that it would be a problem if it turns out to be a fact, but for example, our anchor and I know each other. Then I'd like to do this personally. That's my advice. I can hear advice from acquaintances and acquaintances, but if you gave 10 advice and two things came true, what the anchor asked me to do doesn't 100% come true, right? There should be a value judgment in it, but I don't think there is such a thing yet.

[Anchor]
How did Professor Park hear it, Professor Jang?

[PARK CHANG HWAN]
First of all, it is necessary to check whether Myung Tae-kyun actually said all the things he said. However, what is virtually revealed now is who gave Kim Young-sun the nomination during the last Changwon by-elections. In fact, candidate Kim Young-sun was not related to the Changwon by-elections at the time. It was a condition that I couldn't get a nomination, but I suddenly got a nomination. To put it on top of that, the so-called Mrs. Kim and the Myung Tae-kyun line are in operation, so the key is whether there is a capture of Telegram or not. This is not the only thing at the heart of the problem. During the last presidential election, as in Changwon, he had a close relationship with the former president of Yoon Suk Yeol through public opinion polls. And if you provided free support and poll free of charge and reported it, this would obviously be an intervention in the election. This could be a violation of the election law, it could be a variety of bribery, and it's a very complicated issue. That's why...

[Anchor]
I don't know whether the results of the pollster themselves are reliable or not, but based on that, there are things like the candidates of the existing big ruling party and the overall flow of the presidential election.

[PARK CHANG HWAN]
That's right. The whole point of the doubt right now is this. at one's own expense in opinion polls Polls are supposed to be reported to the NEC. You have to report where you received the request, but according to Changwon's NEC at the time, there was a poll conducted by Myung Tae-kyun at his own expense without a requesting agency. Why did you do this? Those are suspicions that the so-called Myung Tae-kyun's poll was used in a place where Yoon Suk Yeol is overwhelmingly making a big splash during the primary period when Yoon Suk Yeol joined the party, and if he used the poll, wouldn't a poll cost him? So it's who paid for it. This is a problem because these things eventually lead to this controversy over whether Changwon's nomination later paid off.

[Jang Sung Ho]
That's why it's not important to do a poll. Then, as the professor said, you can do a poll and find out who gave the money. But even before it is revealed, if this is intertwined with President Yoon Suk Yeol and First Lady Kim Gun-hee, there is a problem with it. Shouldn't we wait until the public opinion poll expenses are revealed? And former lawmaker Kim Young-sun also prepared for the governor of Gyeongnam Province while preparing for the fifth term. That's why they are ready to go to any region in Gyeongsang-do if they are selected by the party if they are elected for the fourth or fifth term, so let's do a poll like this. Do you think I need to do a poll of former lawmaker Kim Young-sun? I don't think it's that important. I don't understand why polls are so important. If they nominate, there is a high possibility that almost the people's power will be elected in Gyeongsang-do. Of course, there are many difficult battlegrounds in Busan and Gyeongnam these days because the Democratic Party of Korea is quite high, right? Nevertheless, there is a nationwide reputation for the fourth or fifth term, and former lawmaker Kim Young-sun has been preparing for the governor of Gyeongnam Province for a long time, so he will go anywhere. Because it was such a situation, would there have been a need for a poll of yourself?

[Anchor]
Anyway, it seems clear that former lawmaker Kim Young-sun was very dependent on Myung Tae-kyun during the by-elections and general elections.

[Jang Sung Ho]
Being dependent is the weakest thing for a candidate. You have to always bow your head to the person who helps you with the weak to the voters. I know because I've been in the election.

[Anchor]
The half of Sebi was also taken off and handed over to Myung. Because of the allegations, investigations are being conducted. However, some point out that the presidential office's explanation today is rather raising suspicions. What was the explanation? The situations when the president and First Lady Kim Gun-hee met with Myung Tae-kyun, met twice. And we didn't meet after that. It was such an explanation, but in what way is that problematic now?

[PARK CHANG HWAN]
The president's office explained how the president of Yoon Suk Yeol found out about Myung Tae-kyun. It's an official explanation because there's been a bit of a long silence. Since it's an official explanation, my eyes were on this. In other words, a high-ranking official of the passport brought Myung. That's why we met.

[Anchor]
One of them was Lee Joon-seok, then chairman of the emergency committee.

[PARK CHANG HWAN]
He was former representative Lee Joon-seok, and the second person to be brought in was brought in by a lawmaker at the time, who is now the governor of Gyeongnam Province. It's like this. However, CEO Lee Joon-seok immediately objected to it. He didn't take him at the time, but he was introduced first.

[Anchor]
Already by Rep. Kim Young-sun.

[PARK CHANG HWAN]
That's right. Rep. Kim Young-sun said he introduced it, but what happened? And Kim Jong-in, former chairman of the emergency committee, met with the president of Yoon Suk Yeol and his wife when he met with Myung at the time, and if Lee Jun-seok introduced it, he could meet Lee Jun-seok through his introduction. But this is that we met in a very close relationship with Yoon Suk Yeol's president and his wife. in many ways.

[Anchor]
Myung Tae-kyun called Kim Jong-in, former chairman of the emergency committee, and replaced Kim. And then we met later, and that's how the four of us met, right? In the meantime, Mrs. Kim and Myung Tae-kyun seemed very close.

[PARK CHANG HWAN]
And Myung Tae-kyun himself had some connection with the then president of Yoon Suk Yeol not only before the presidential election but also before that. I'm making this argument. That's why the first introduction was in July, so-called, is it the first time we met before joining the army after quitting as president? The presidential office's explanation for this is being refuted by the parties. Therefore, the presidential office's explanation is not enough. These complaints are even coming from the passport.

[Anchor]
Rep. Lee Jun-seok was representative of Lee Jun-seok at the time. What Myung said was that when President Yoon joined the party before the presidential election, Rep. Lee Joon-seok joined the party while he was away because he had a regional schedule, anyway. That's why people say it's a passing party, and the president's office should explain about it. We're talking like this. Myung is saying that he arranged it. He's saying that he advised him to join the passing party.

[Jang Sung Ho]
I wasn't there at the time, so I had no choice but to say that with my imagination, right? Everyone speaks with imagination, but from the president's point of view, they must have had their own staff. Lee Joon-seok, there were a lot of conflicts with the then party leader, so to join the party...

[Anchor]
So the atmosphere was quite bad at the time.

[Jang Sung Ho]
It was quite bad, so if someone from the staff sets up a presidential campaign, isn't the staff quite extensive? That's why I can't remember well now. Why are there hundreds of people like Myung Tae-kyun in the presidential office? There are probably more than 1,000 people. That's why there's a possibility that you can't remember it well. It's really like a fire moth. It may be a nuisance to describe it as a fire moth, but there are so many people who are interested in politics and that I am the best. Regarding the region and the election, I carry the list with me, so when I had a meeting with the staff, CEO Lee Joon-seok is in the province now, so I went in a surprise move at this time. Didn't the media also have various interpretations at that time? When CEO Lee Jun-seok was away, Yoon Suk Yeol suddenly came in. But if you look at it now, Myung Tae-kyun suggested this, and if you say so, you can write the novel upside down.

[Anchor]
There is only a one-sided argument.

[PARK CHANG HWAN]
The problem is that we need to check more about Myung Tae-kyun, but according to his argument, it would be better for him to join the party today, because he joined the party on the day he said it. The problem is that he called every day for five to six months until he joined. Let's say that in your past cell phone...

[Anchor]
That's also Myung Tae-kyun's claim. That I called every day.

[PARK CHANG HWAN]
That's right. It's the captain. If you have this cell phone and the result comes out, this is really a different problem. Whether he was one of hundreds or thousands of so-called hundreds of people receiving advice or was he really a politician entrusted by Myung Tae-kyun or by his information or judgment, this is something to be checked later.

[Jang Sung Ho]
Even if I call and receive it every day, I'm a presidential candidate, and this is what it is like to the candidate. I think I'm answering the phone if it's right and helpful. When I answered the phone, Myung Tae-kyun answered the phone, could you do what Myung Tae-kyun told me to do? There's another meeting and the staff is already in place. That's why the moment you become a presidential candidate, everything is cut off. Then, if there is an opinion by a specific person, let's disclose it to the staff and think about it. What do you think about this? I think that's a possibility.

[Anchor]
So, whether it's a presidential election or a general election, camps are set up, and especially presidential camps are quite large. So anyway, Myung Tae Gyun said what he said and implemented it as he said it. But he's continuing to claim it through interviews. Anyway, in the meantime, the pro-Yoon-gye criticized the media interview as a one-sided story. CEO Han Dong-hoon's atmosphere is a little different. More than ever, I have maintained a strong stance toward Mrs. Kim. Let's listen to it for ourselves.

[Han Dong-hoon / Representative of People's Power: (Yesterday, you said you agree with the opinion that Mrs. Kim should refrain from activities, what exactly do you mean? ) Isn't it something you already promised to the people during the presidential election process in the first place? I think you can keep that. (The prosecution is putting weight on non-prosecution in the case of Mrs. Kim Deutsche…). ) I don't know what plans the prosecution has. However, I think the prosecution should produce results that the public can understand. I'm not attacking or criticizing Mrs. Kim Gun-hee. Don't you think so? And this is what I think. Whether it's pro-Yoon or some of the presidential secretaries, rather than hiding behind anonymity and talking about things that are far from the public sentiment, if you have an opinion, please say it confidently under your name. ]

[Anchor]
Keep the promise that Han Dong-hoon made to the people during the presidential election against First Lady Kim Gun-hee. What kind of appointment is it?

[PARK CHANG HWAN]
When the false history controversy arose at the time, Mrs. Kim eventually apologized just before the presidential election. While apologizing to the public, I will only play the role of an assistant and wife in the future. What many people thought was that if you do this, you won't even get into Cheong Wa Dae. Or even if you enter the Blue House, you said you would be quiet, so I thought you would only take care of the social underprivileged, such as the so-called volunteer work we know, daycare centers and the elderly, but you haven't done that for the past two and a half years. I pointed it out while talking about this. A lot of people have said the same thing for the past two and a half years. In particular, there were a lot of controversies about Mrs. Kim in the Democratic Party. Why don't you keep the promise you made during the presidential election every time? At that time, there were a lot of comments about the need to set up a second annex, and what did the opposition party say about the Deutsche Motors incident? He said that the investigation is not convincing to the public. Then, what Han Dong-hoon has brought up now is that Han Dong-hoon has brought up what the opposition has insisted on so far. Then I was called the crown prince of the Yoon Suk Yeol government during the Yoon Suk Yeol government for two and a half years. He was also the Minister of Justice at the time. What did you do as the Minister of Justice when there is no investigation that is convincing to the public? Why are you talking now? In the end, you will not annihilate yourself, that is, you will not die together. In order to survive, we have no choice but to see whether we are criticizing Mrs. Kim in the end.

[Anchor]
You saw that you were making this argument to survive. Professor Jang?

[Jang Sung Ho]
I don't think he became a representative to survive. Representative Han Dong-hoon also did not do politics, but he will think that if the Yoon Suk Yeol government fails, he will also fail. Therefore, representative Han Dong-hoon believes that the current people's power, the presidential office in Yongsan, and the government have chosen such writing among various anguish to overcome this crisis. Of course, we should prosecute Mrs. Kim Gun-hee in connection with the Deutsche Motors case. I don't think that's what it means. However, the prosecution's investigation to quell the public's bad public opinion indicators is based on facts, isn't it? Facts and facts. Because it's done through this, we need to come up with a reasonable result to persuade the people accordingly. This is why Kim Gun-hee should be prosecuted if her aides do not come to the media and go to the special prosecution. Don't you say that, too? However, I don't think this is the intention, and the prosecution should not now have such a public perception that it is unconditionally on the ruling party's side to overcome this crisis. Only then can the Yoon Suk Yeol government, the people's power, and Han Dong-hoon himself live. That's the purpose, but since this is a short word, the interpretation is that the Democratic Party of Korea should prosecute Kim Gun-hee.

[Anchor]
An organization called the prosecution does not prosecute a country's prosecution organization because a politician tells it to prosecute and not prosecute. Anyway, let's always say this. They talk about it according to the evidence and the law, but anyway, saying it like this doesn't mean the prosecution will hear it.

[Jang Sung Ho]
However, since politics is spoken in words, it should be said so in a declarative manner. Perhaps you just said it well, but the prosecution will also make a good judgment based on evidence and legal principles.

[Anchor]
They say they're going to have a private meeting now. A solitary confinement that did not happen will be held after the by-elections. It's from the presidential office, how do you see it, Professor Park? This is feasible and if you do, what kind of story will you usually talk about?

[PARK CHANG HWAN]
I've said this a few times here, but the Yoon Suk Yeol government has a very unusual ability. There have been several situations where you raise a problem and at first you don't listen, but eventually you get pushed, pushed, pushed, and the situation gets worse and then you accept it. It's the same this time. After the general election defeat, the ruling party said it was a crisis and a crisis. Then, in the midst of the crisis, I will listen to the so-called people's stories, and I will persuade the people more. Then the ruling party should join forces and persuade them right away. The ruling party leader has been talking about having a private meeting for two months, but didn't he actually put it down? But now you're going to allow me to have a private meeting?

[Anchor]
Why do you think you're going to allow it now?

[PARK CHANG HWAN]
In the end, the issue of intervention in the nomination of First Lady Kim turned out to be Myung Tae-kyun's problem, and the issue of Myung Tae-kyun's current manipulation of state affairs has turned out to be 18 percent of Seoul's approval rating in today's NBS poll. This is the first time since the Choi Soon-sil scandal. The president's approval rating has dropped by 18 percent. From that point of view, it is a crisis that makes it really difficult to manage state affairs.

[Anchor]
What you just said is the Seoul area, right?

[PARK CHANG HWAN]
That's right. I was talking about the NBS poll in Seoul. In the midst of a total crisis, just two weeks ago, the president's office was in charge of the solitary confinement. But now the initiative has completely changed. CEO Han Dong-hoon has the initiative.

[Anchor] Professor
How do you see it?

[Jang Sung Ho]
Representative Han Dong-hoon said today that it has not been decided with Yongsan, so there is a possibility that the Blue House staff may have leaked it to the media while talking about it with his staff or senior secretary for political affairs, and that he will decide after the by-elections on October 16, so I don't think the one-on-one meeting has been made yet. Isn't Busan Geumjeong a very close game because it can be a variety of cinari depending on the results of the October 16 by-elections? That's why I have to look at the results of the by-elections and then look at the political situation. The leader of the ruling party and the president can talk to each other through a hotline from time to time without having a private meeting, and it is not only to inform the media like a press release, but it is also to reassure the supporters, but isn't it the president who communicates with the party leader, the president, and the ruling party? That's why I think that's natural and that we should go through these twists and turns to stabilize each other in the future.

[Anchor]
It's not a big news to have lunch with someone and have dinner with someone, but anyway, we don't meet very often. Anyway, let's see if the private meeting will be held this time after the by-elections. As you said, by-elections are one of the biggest issues. The leaders of the ruling and opposition parties visited areas considered to be the party's stronghold and launched a last-minute support campaign. Let's watch the video.

[Lee Jae Myung / Minjoo Party leader: Hello, come to the front. Are you the newest here? Way to go, Democratic Party! I shouldn't do it, right? I'm so careful. (Me too) This is quite expensive. (Oh, I know) It's an honor. Yesterday, the results of the poll were announced, and there was a report that said, "Democratic Party candidate Jang Se-il has been pushed to second place, although there is a margin of error?" Clearly, we need to send a card and a warning letter to the regime. Can the wires be disturbed and disturbed in this urgent situation that separates this fate? ]

[Han Dong-hoon / Representative of People's Power: I just went to Jeondeungsa Temple. And I went to the Episcopal Church. I've been enjoying the cute taste of this reinforcement so much for this day. Show us your turnout if you want to develop this beautiful reinforcement. ]

[Anchor]
First of all, CEO Han Dong-hoon held a supreme council meeting in Ganghwa, Incheon, and fired support. I've already been to Busan Geumjeong four times. Originally, I knew that the central party strategically supported the side, and I knew it as a quiet election, but now that I see it, I think it's quite active.

[Jang Sung Ho]
From the perspective of the power of the people, if we go to an all-out war, didn't we lose in the last general election? The power of the people. Because they lost, I thought this was a strategy that could attract traditional supporters, centering on local voters, if they went to a native election. And two counties, the power of the people is strengthened in Incheon and Geumjeong in Busan, have died because the incumbent county governor was a member of the people's power, so there must be another sympathy vote because he died. However, if you look at the current trend, it will come up considerably and the opposition will be unified.

[Anchor]
Especially, the gold is quite...

[Jang Sung-ho]
In fact, it was Busan that saved the people's power during the last general election. So, from the perspective of the people's power, which handed over the majority of 108 seats, it is a very valuable region, and there are rumors that the New Reform Party, the Liberal Unification Party, and conservative parties support the Democratic Party of Korea, so it is a close game since it has come up quite close, so for representative Han Dong-hoon, the election cannot be lost here, but if he loses to the Democratic Party here, he will be hit hard.

[Anchor]
No matter how hard the garden is, as you said, the close game is unfolding, so I think I'm actively playing at the end. The Democratic Party and the opposition now seem to be quite fierce in glory.

[PARK CHANG HWAN]
In the case of glory, I thought of a two-way race in the first place. The Democratic Party and the Cho Kuk Innovation Party joined together to gain the upper hand in Honam. On top of that, the progressive party candidate created a good niche strategy, so it became a three-way structure. In the case of the Progressive Party, the candidate is doing very well in the campaign. So, some polls are doing so well that they are leading the way, so from the perspective of the Democratic Party of Korea, they are doing very well. Of course, if you do well and win in Geumjeong, you can express it as a victory, but if you lose to the candidate of the Progressive Party or the candidate of the Cho Kuk Innovation Party in Yeonggwang, this is actually halved. Therefore, in the case of Representative Lee Jae-myung, the theory of regime judgment. Actually, you mentioned Geumjeong in Busan earlier, but Geumjeong is a very well-paid area in Busan. However, due to the government's judgment theory, both candidates are boiling down in the opinion polls. It's a very close match. If you think so, if you give up the ban, the controversy over the responsibility of Han Dong-hoon will be fine if the conversation goes well with Yongsan, but if you get more squeaky with Yongsan, you can fall into another controversy over the resignation of the party leader, who asks, "What did you do well?" Therefore, the impact of Geumjeong and Yeonggwang is quite large.

[Anchor]
Lastly, when we meet next Thursday, the by-elections have already ended, so let's look at the situation. Then meet me next Thursday. Why don't you make it short?

[PARK CHANG HWAN]
I think there is a very high possibility that the government's judgment theory will blow in the current situation across the country. We talked about the NBS poll earlier, but the president's office is not responding properly to the news of Myung Tae-kyun's mouth. There is a possibility that such a situation will go to a more advantageous structure for the Democratic Party in Geumjeong or Yeonggwang, and that should be opened.

[Anchor]
You carefully predicted it.

[Jang Sung Ho]
Polls are close now because young people answer a lot, but turnout is low due to the nature of the by-election. in any region Of course, early voting is Friday, Saturday, and then there is a general election on the 16th, right? Nevertheless, the overall turnout will drop to less than 50%. If that happens, wouldn't it be about 2:2 for me, who has a lot of traditional supporters? I hope so, thinking that the by-elections will also be a zero-sum game, just like the existing election results.

[Anchor]
2:2 includes the Cho Kuk Innovation Party or not?

[Jang Sung-ho]
Included because it is a Democratic Party line.

[Anchor]
The Progressive Party, too.

[Jang Sung Ho]
The opposition party is 2 and the ruling party is 2 and 2:2.

[Anchor]
I'll see you next Thursday. Thank you to Professor Jang Sung-ho and Professor Park Chang-hwan.