[Politics ON] Yoon Suk Yeol - Myung Tae Kyun's call recording wave...Democratic Party "Clearly intervening in nomination"

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[Anchor]
Let's start the politics that looks at the outside and the inside of politics. Today, we will analyze the power of the people Yeongdeungpo with Park Yong-chan, chairman of the party's cooperation committee, and Seo Yong-ju, director of the Political and Social Research Institute. Please come in. Hello, politician. Please show us the first keyword. This is the president of Yoon Suk Yeol. Please do Kim Young-sun. Earlier today, the Democratic Party held an emergency press conference and directly released the details of the call between Myung Tae-kyun and President Yoon Suk Yeol. I'll be back after hearing that. It's recorded on May 9, 2022. It was a day before the inauguration of the president on May 10th. The Democratic Party held an emergency press conference today and made it public, right? Where did you get that recording?

[Applicant owner]
First of all, as far as I know, it came from the closest acquaintance of Myung Tae-kyun. I don't think we met by chance. Since he is a person who lives with Myung Tae-kyun, there are various recordings, including that one.

[Anchor]
I heard there's more recording.

[Applicant owner]
That's right. It's very likely that there are a lot of unknowingly recorded conversations that Myung Tae Gyun doesn't know. So in this regard, the president's voice came out, and Lee's voice has a unique tone for all of us, right? The president's voice. That's why we can't deny that it's not the president's voice. Do you have direct evidence of the case of Myung Tae-kyun, which I always talked about in the presidential office and the power of the people? All the things that were said to be all the messages of Kang Hye-kyung were broken through the release of the president's voice today.
I think that's the right way to look at it.

[Anchor]
We organized it graphically. If you look at it now, it's the inauguration of the president of Yoon Suk Yeol on May 10th. There were by-elections in June. At this time, former lawmaker Kim Young-sun will be elected by by-elections. And on May 9th, the phone recording you just heard, the President of Yoon Suk Yeol. He was the president-elect at the time. I spoke to Myung Taekyun on the phone and will actually receive the nomination on May 10. How did Chairman Park Yong-chan hear the recording?

[Park Yongchan]
First of all, if you look at the announcement made by the Democratic Party today, the floor leader Park Chan-dae confirmed the authenticity, verifying the authenticity. I didn't say how I verified it today, but I said I verified the authenticity at the Democratic Party level. So if that voice is the voice of President Yoon Suk Yeol, that's not a simple case, that's what I think. However, that recording was on May 9, 2022, so isn't it the content of the call we talked about as president-elect the day before the inauguration of the president?

And on June 15th, Myung Tae-kyun proudly showed the recording of the call to a third party who was present with Myung Tae-kyun's acquaintance. I played it for you. He played it on the spot and was recorded by an acquaintance of Myung Tae-kyun or a third party who was present at the place where he played it. So, the development of the case has been made. In other words, the content of that conversation is not the presidential position, but the president-elect's position. Therefore, it is not true to say that it is the president's intervention in the nomination. As an elected president, he expressed his personal political opinion with Myung Tae-kyun.

[Anchor]
I see. However, if you look at what the Democratic Party of Korea has revealed now, there is a story about Myung Tae-kyun hanging up with President Yoon and then talking to Kang Hye-kyung, and Myung Tae-kyun's claim is that he spoke with President Yoon and Kim Gun-hee was next to President Yoon, right? What additional information did you reveal?

[Applicant owner]
So, why did I first disclose the president's development, and then Kim Gun-hee, the spouse of Yoon Suk Yeol, answer calls from Myung Tae-kyun related to the nomination of former lawmaker Kim Young-sun? Mr. Myung Tae-kyun is a grateful person, but why do you make it difficult for him to answer such a call?

[Anchor]
This is the argument of Myung Taekyun.

[Applicant owner]
It's Myung Taekyun's argument. In that way, he told me to come without worrying about the inauguration of the president. So if you look at the probabilities of all the messages...

[Anchor]
I heard you also called Yoon Sang-hyun, chairman of the nomination management committee.

[Park Yongchan]
Let me tell you the details for a moment.

[Applicant owner]
I'll clean up first. Looking back on the part that came out today, one of the things that I kept defending as a message in the past is Kang Hye-kyung and Myung Tae-kyun's recordings. Regarding former lawmaker Kim Young-sun's June 22 by-elections, a recording of Yoon Sang-hyun's end was released on the phone with his wife and the president regarding the nomination. It's all that route. If you look at it, I talked to my wife on the phone, and in the end, the whole context was Kim Gun-hee complaining about something to the president. For the second time, the president who heard that, speaking on the phone with the president, former lawmaker Kim Young-sun's nomination has been confirmed. This is proven.

[Anchor]
If I summarize the position of the presidential office now, the position of the presidential office is like this. In Changwon, South Gyeongsang Province, Kim Young-sun was the most competitive candidate. And President Yoon has never received a report on the nomination, nor has he ordered the nomination. At that time, the nomination decision makers were party leader Lee Joon-seok and Yoon Sang-hyun, chairman of the nomination management committee.

[Park Yongchan]
I don't know if President Yoon Suk Yeol remembers the situation clearly at the time. However, to sum up the various situations, it is true that Myung Tae-kyun continued to ask President Yoon Suk Yeol and First Lady Kim Gun-hee to nominate former lawmaker Kim Young-sun. When we persistently demanded that Kim Young-sun be nominated, we can guess that we had a conversation in terms of speaking well and expressing our opinions from the perspective of the president-elect at the time of Yoon Suk Yeol.

Therefore, Rep. Kwon Sung-dong was only a political opinion and a political opinion of the then-elect during the Yoon Suk Yeol. And he is now evaluating that there is no legal problem because he was not the president and the president-elect. I think we should look at that calmly.

[Anchor]
Has the power of the people come out in an official position?

[Park Yongchan]
The official position of the people's power has not yet come out. However, lawmaker Cho Kyung-tae mentioned that a party audit is inevitable and that a party audit should be conducted. Even from our perspective, it must be quite important to move on as if it were nothing in our party. So I think we should investigate to the extent that we can investigate at the party level.

[Anchor]
Until now, it was only known as Myung Tae-kyun's claim and message. And when the presidential office expressed its position not long ago, they met during the primary, and they said they had not met since the primary and had never talked on the phone, but the fact that we talked on the phone has emerged anew.

[Applicant owner]
However, if the president's office is now saying that they haven't spoken on the phone, this is a more serious problem than Biden's. So the president's voice was manipulated? Is it the voice of AI?

[Anchor]
The Office of the President does not deny the contents of this call.

[Applicant owner]
Then I don't remember and the president's office is one of hundreds of congratulatory calls. By the way, are congratulatory calls about lawmaker Kim Young-sun's nomination in detail like that? We usually talk reasonably. Oh, thank you. Yes, yes, yes, congratulations, then shouldn't you get hundreds of them like that? You're so busy, but there's no talk about the inauguration, right? He brought it to me at the official residence committee, so Kim Young-sun ran hard, so please do Kim Young-sun. How can you not remember this? The presidential office and the president's position that I don't remember now in this regard is a symbolic statement of denial of charges in preparation for a typical investigation, and I have no choice but to view it that way.

[Anchor]
The entire contents of the call are not disclosed right now. I hope you listen to the whole story.That's about what we're securing right now. But President Yoon is our exclusive report on YTN. During the day today, he had an emergency luncheon meeting with about 10 key aides, including Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok and Senior Secretary for Political Affairs Hong Cheol-ho. I think we talked about it.

[Park Yongchan]
Of course, we have to have an emergency meeting. Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun has never reported directly, nor has he been instructed. And now, from the perspective of President Yoon Suk Yeol, this was two and a half years ago, so can you remember this situation clearly? Lee Jae-myung, chairman of the Democratic Party of Korea, says he doesn't know Kim Moon-ki well, doesn't he? In that situation, President Yoon Suk Yeol said that the relationship was not properly established after the primary, and I think that's very important to what extent you can remember the situation at that time.

[Anchor]
As related issues continue, we will continue to talk while looking at the following keywords. Please show us the next keyword. Let's look at the next keyword. From the perspective of the presidential office, Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun, the chairman of the mission committee at the time, expressed his position today. I said it wasn't 100%, so we'll listen to what he said. In today's recording of the president of Yoon Suk Yeol, the expression "because the mission committee brought it to me" is included. That's why the reporters asked. I asked if I reported it to the president, but it's 100% not, I didn't report it. However, the expression "because the officialdom brought it to me" may raise the possibility that he was briefed. If

[Park Yong-chan]{Park ∀} hears word for word, it can only be said that someone from the Nomination Management Committee reported to President Yoon Suk Yeol. However, there is no way to know why President Yoon Suk Yeol said this. However, at that time, there were 9 or 11 members of the nomination management committee for the June 1, 2022 by-elections. Among them, Chairman Yoon Sang-hyun was the chairman. So Chairman Yoon Sang-hyun said in a press conference today, "I'm not, I didn't report and I wasn't instructed." If so, it should be considered that there is a possibility that it is a third party, not lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun, or another nomination management committee member. According to the list of nomination management committee members at the time, Han Ki-ho, then secretary-general, was the vice chairman. And Hong Cheol-ho, the current senior secretary for political affairs at the presidential office of the nomination management committee.

In addition, there were four members, Kang Jae-sik, the vice-president of the party organization at the time. And the rest of the nomination committee members are people recruited from outside. Therefore, we can find out about the situation at that time through a party audit, but first of all, lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun is not 100%. It's quite possible that it's not Yoon Sang-hyun because he denied it very strongly, I think so.

[Anchor]
However, the president's office said that the decision maker was Lee Joon-seok, the representative at the time, and Yoon Sang-hyun, the chairman of the mission committee.

[Seoyongju]
It's embarrassing. So, there is confusion between the names coming out of the presidential office right now. At first, I was just trying to comfort Myung Tae-kyun in a good way. There was some bluster, so to speak, but I don't remember it coming out like that. They say that they never mentioned that fact. Next, Yoon Sang-hyun, chairman of the nomination management committee, and Lee Jun-seok, chairman of the nomination committee? He was Yoon Nuclear Officer, who did what Lee Jun-seok did to representative Lee Jun-seok, and when he was weak at the time, he was referred to the ethics committee in June after the nomination and took office as president, and came out as if he was kicked out. That's why CEO Lee Joon-seok said this today. It's a very sea anemone-like explanation.

So, CEO Lee Joon-seok's position is that there is not enough chicken meat, so you can answer about fostering now. Since representative Lee Joon-seok or lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun denied it now, the two should be confirmed through a party investigation, but what is the president's development and recall his memory by reflecting on the words, and sometimes Lee Jae-myung's memory of Kim Moon-ki is innocent. Don't you think so?

What the president has to do now is to recall his memory of fostering himself and answer why he told Myung Tae-kyun about former lawmaker Kim Young-sun's nomination. I don't remember the people like now. It can only be said that it is too irresponsible that it is the responsibility of Lee Joon-seok and Yoon Sang-hyun, chairman of the mission.

[Anchor]
Today, CEO Lee Joon-seok also expressed his position that Myung Tae-kyun asked for Kim Young-sun's nomination, but only explained the principle of competitiveness.

[Park Yongchan]
CEO Lee Joon-seok even used the expression, "I'm a human being beyond Yangdu-guyuk," but in my opinion, CEO Lee Joon-seok is not in a position to shout out loud at all. Because Myung Tae-kyun already made a statement during the nomination process at that time. Before confirming the nomination, I called then-CEO Lee Joon-seok and asked him to do it, and he answered, "Bring a winning poll." So if I turned over the poll and handed it over, I told the secretary-general that it was over at once, but I would completely solve it anyway.

[Anchor]
As expected, it's from Myung Tae-kyun's recording. It's Myung Taekyun's argument.

[Park Yong-chan]
is correct. So CEO Lee Joon-seok is not in a position to shout. Rep. Lee Joon-seok already visited and met Myung Tae-kyun on May 9, 2021, and the place where he met was Suseongmot Lake in Daegu. We met there and a week later, on May 16, the first place in a poll conducted by Myung Tae-kyun came out. It was a national convention to select the party leader, and seven polls were conducted, and the first of the seven polls showed Lee Joon-seok beating other candidates such as Na Kyung-won, which caused controversy when the poll sampled more than 70% of men in their 20s during the sampling process.

So there was a controversy over the poll at that time, so CEO Lee Joon-seok met with Myung Tae-kyun back and forth, and the poll came out first, and there was another controversy over the poll. After the poll was conducted, there was even such a behavior that could be seen as inappropriate adhesion to take pictures with Myung Tae-kyun on Jeju Island, I would like to tell you that.

[Anchor]
Myung Taekyun posted a message on social media a while ago. "Conservatives are thugs, progressives are flimsy. Conservatives are stupid, and progressives are evil," he said in a straightforward way. Why do you think
posted SNS?

[Applicant owner]
From what I can see, these words are excerpts of what Myung Tae-kyun posted on SNS once before and what he said at the end. I don't think there's any meaning beyond the resentment of the remuneration that has continued to bite me and continue to bite me. The SNS that Myung Tae-kyun did after that posted that he was going to his father's oxygen to burn all his evidence. That's why I planned various things, but the progressive left didn't understand it. There was also an SNS post saying that I would go burn all this evidence.

But looking at the whole thing, I think Myung Tae-kyun has lost his temper. There's nothing to lean on anymore. Because he said he had two deadly data of President Yoon Suk Yeol ahead of the prosecution's investigation, but I think he lost his money after it was revealed in the mouth of Park Chan-dae, the floor leader of the Democratic Party, in a third party.

[Anchor]
In the meantime, Myung Tae-kyun may open up public conversations one by one. You posted a message to the effect that you can disclose what you did with the president in public conversation. But you said you're going to burn them all?

[Park Yongchan]
The director said something very important, but Myung Tae-kyun said that if I am arrested, I will release all the transcripts and materials I have. There are two very important transcripts I had with President Yoon Suk Yeol in an interview with JTBC on the 29th. I mentioned it like this. However, in an interview with TV Chosun today, he said that he buried everything in his father's oxygen, but he buried it in the ground before that. But I buried it all, but I'm going to burn it all now.

I'll take everything with me. So if you look at the Facebook content you just mentioned, don't you think you are disillusioned with politics or politics? That's why I think he said he'd ask everything and now he'd go. Therefore, we cannot rule out the possibility that the transcripts, materials, KakaoTalk capture files, and these things, which can be important evidence now, have been quite destroyed.

[Anchor]
I see. Please show us the next issue keyword. I think we should listen to the Democratic Party's position. It's Park Chan-dae, the floor leader. He claimed that it was an intervention in the nomination. The Democratic Party, which disclosed the conversation between President Yoon and Myung Tae-kyun, claims that it is a clear nomination intervention in this regard. Let's listen to it. Now the Democratic Party claims that it is a clear illegal intervention in the nomination process. Today's reporters asked what they thought about the observation that they would begin the impeachment process of President Yoon. But floor leader Park said he thought it was for the people to judge. What's the Democrats' exact position now, the stance?

[Applicant owner]
The consistent position of the Democratic Party remains unchanged that impeachment is not done by political forces, but by the people and the people. It can't be impeachment for politicians to make an issue. From the people's point of view, this is impeachment when they win some public sentiment that they have done something that could lead to impeachment. Now, I've heard the president's voice, but who doesn't think this is a clear intervention in nomination?

However, I think the Democratic Party floor leader's position is to worry that the people will eventually lead to impeachment if he thinks about making fun of or mocking the people and avoiding it.

[Anchor]
Director Seo Yong-joo said, "Isn't this clear evidence of nomination intervention?" What about lawmaker Park Yong-chan?

[Park Yongchan]
I need to look at this matter calmly from a legal point of view. That's what I think. First of all, it is very unfortunate and regrettable that President Yoon Suk Yeol or First Lady Kim Gun-hee started a truly wrong meeting with Representative Myung Tae-kyun. However, if you look at the recording file that was revealed today, it is a day before the president's inauguration. It was a conversation as an elected president, and the contents of the conversation were also about the political views and opinions of President Yoon Suk Yeol. From that point of view, I can't say that this is illegal, but I can describe it as emotionally and morally inappropriate, but this is legally illegal nomination intervention, this is just a political offensive by the Democratic Party, I think.

[Anchor]
Representative Kwon Sung-dong said that it is not even a reason for impeachment because he seems to have talked to him as the president-elect before taking office. The recording of the phone call as president may be released.

[Park Yongchan]
That's right. We'll have to evaluate the additional revelations that occur when additional revelations come out after that. But you're going to impeach the content that came out today? It's illegal nomination intervention? It's not true to say this, I'll say it clearly like that.

[Anchor]
Park Chan-dae, the floor leader of the party, also said that it is an illegal intervention in nominations, but he did not express that this is the reason for impeachment.

[Applicant owner]
We need to look into the reasons for impeachment first. If the impeachment process reaches impeachment through the independent counsel, it would be right to say that it is a reason for impeachment, right? However, isn't there a one-day difference between the president and the president-elect while talking about the election? I became president the next day.

Then, the nomination intervention was revealed on the phone on the 9th, but this is only a single moment. In many conversations with Myung Tae-kyun, there are various circumstances in which there may be nomination intervention, party intervention, and personnel intervention through Kim Gun-hee, so in the end, whether this is before or after the election is not a big issue.
[Anchor]
Rep. Park Joo-min today indicted former President Park's intervention in the nomination process, and prosecutor Han Dong-hoon was in charge of the lower court's trial. CEO Han Dong-hoon said there would have to be an answer on how to do it. Has Han yet to reveal his personal and position as the party leader?

[Park Yongchan]
That's right. I'm sure you're very confused right now. However, CEO Han Dong-hoon was not in the party at the time on May 9, 2022, and he is in a position where the whole story is unknown, so I think it would be quite embarrassing to comment now.

[Anchor]
Representative Cho Kyung-tae says he should start an audit of the party, but if he starts an audit of the party, President Yoon Suk Yeol will appear on the phone recording. But should we investigate President Yoon, is this possible?

[Park Yongchan]
Well, if there is a party audit, a basic investigation into the people involved must be accompanied, and there will be not only an investigation by summoning and calling for an investigation, but a written investigation, and I think there will be various types of investigations.

[Anchor]
What more investigation procedures do Democrats think are needed in the future?

[Applicant owner]
First of all, the era of special inspection that CEO Han Dong-hoon claims is over. Although this is said to be Kim Gun-hee's special inspection, in the end, it was predicted that the risks of Kim Gun-hee, which we knew, were related to the president and that she was in the same political power community. As President Yoon Suk Yeol's direct development became public today, we need to know how the president and his spouse intervened in the nomination process, so frankly, this is an issue that should be revealed through an independent counsel without a clear explanation from the president.

[Anchor]
We need more special prosecutors in the future, okay. The president of Yoon Suk Yeol is now said to turn around the halfway point of his term on November 11th. November 10th. There are 10 days left. Regarding this, the presidential office said that there is a possibility that some of the issues that representative Han Dong-hoon has demanded will be accepted and announced. Did you hear that, by any chance? Airflow

[Park Yong-chan]
is rapidly reversing.

[Anchor]
I think this should be included.

[Park Yongchan]
That's right. The president's explanation, explanation, answer, and answer on various issues are inevitable. The director mentioned the special inspector earlier, so I'm sorry if he said he would accept the special inspector proposed by CEO Han Dong-hoon earlier. The independent counsel will negotiate with the Democratic Party of Korea as the independent counsel does, but let's open the door for the special inspector first. Therefore, it is necessary to clearly show that personnel reform, something is changing, and it is changing. So the starting point for that watershed will eventually be the 10th of November, which you just mentioned. I'm looking forward to that.

[Anchor]
Then, is there a possibility of a press conference by President Yoon Suk Yeol around November 10th?

[Park Yongchan]
I think the press conference should be very specific.

[Anchor]
I see. Today, CEO Han Dong-hoon once again expressed his position that a special inspector is needed in the morning and that he should be appointed immediately. But it's an issue that needs to be discussed and agreed with the Democratic Party. But the Democratic Party of Korea is in the position of special prosecutor first.

[Applicant owner]
It's not from the beginning, but it's a special inspection, but it can't offset the special prosecutor with that. Therefore, representative Han Dong-hoon will have to propose a solution to the special prosecutor in order to obtain the consent of the Democratic Party of Korea on the special prosecutor. Come without it and we have a special inspection, so please agree with the Democratic Party. It's not right to ask why you don't do it. The special prosecutor and the special prosecutor must go at the same time. The special feeling is a precautionary measure. This is because the special prosecutor is a solution to all the problems that arise.

[Anchor]
I see. Representative Han Dong-hoon said that a special inspector should be appointed today, but the Democratic Party's position now is that the special prosecutor should start.

[Park Yongchan]
Yesterday, I expressed a different opinion on this with the director, but the special prosecutor is the special prosecutor and the special prosecutor is the special prosecutor. The special inspector, or special inspector, has been left illegal for eight years now. Currently, according to the Special Inspector Act, a successor is appointed within 30 days of the vacancy of the special inspector. However, it has been illegal and illegal for eight years now. Therefore, CEO Han Dong-hoon said, "This illegal state should not be maintained continuously. So let's appoint a special inspector first. And the independent counsel should negotiate with the Democratic Party of Korea and the Korean people apart from the special inspector issue, so that the independent counsel can make a more reasonable independent counsel. That's how you can go, right? Therefore, I would like to reiterate that the special counsel and the special counsel should be discussed separately.

[Anchor]
I see. Thank you very much. The Democratic Party of Korea said that there was a considerable amount of additional recordings obtained today. Among the things I've checked so far, there's more recordings to be released. Is there a possibility that the Democratic Party will reveal more tomorrow?

[Applicant owner]
That's possible. Although I can't specify the timing.

[Anchor]
I see. Let's stop here. So far, I have been with Park Yong-chan, chairman of the Party's cooperation committee, and Seo Yong-ju, director of the Political and Social Research Institute. Thank you.