[News UP] Yoon's 'impeachment document' has not been received...Does the Constitutional Court deal with 'Song Moon-in'?

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■ Starring: Park Sang-gyu, current affairs critic, Park Chang-hwan, special professor at Jangan University

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[Anchor]
Let's continue to go into detail about it.

Park Sang-gyu, a current affairs critic, and Park Chang-hwan, a special professor at Jangan University, are here. Please come in.

First, let's talk about the Constitution.

President Yoon Suk Yeol is continuing to respond to requests for attendance and receiving trial documents. The Constitutional Court is now saying that it will regard the document as received and served, but the decision will be made today. How do you view it?

[Park Sang Kyu]
It's going to be considered service. I've already delivered the documents in four ways. Nevertheless, they didn't receive human delivery and there was no answer to the Internet service. So, the Constitutional Court has done everything it can to decide, so now I think it will probably decide today when the judge's review and meeting are held. In this regard, many experts say that this is President Yoon's strategy to respond to the trial, but in my view, it is a clear delay strategy.

If you compare it to soccer, you are playing bed soccer, but this is of course a lot of criticism from the public's point of view. However, from President Yoon's point of view, he is not ready yet, as he said through lawyer Seok Dong-hyun. I don't think there is any reason to meet the time presented in various aspects, including the composition of the defense team. It means that I will take some time even with the criticism. The referee can decide to serve and just start. That's how the trial works.

If that happens, wouldn't President Yoon use a strategy to defeat the first preparation date for the trial on the 27th by not attending the lawyers? The reason I'm saying this is because the facts will unfold like that, but public opinion is of course not good. About this. However, this is not a time to consider the public opinion, but rather to adjust to the referee's strategy set by him. FIFA has never approved it. But there's no word that it's illegal, so I'll drag it a little longer. Perhaps it is similar to the strategy of delaying the trial of Lee Jae-myung, the leader of the Democratic Party.

[Anchor]
I see. I think we can sort it out that we're using a delay strategy.

I will ask the professor a question about the summons notification of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit now. The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has notified the summons on the 25th, saying it is an ultimatum on Christmas, but it is unclear whether President Yoon Suk Yeol will respond to it. It is known that they are considering an arrest warrant. How do you view it?

[PARK CHANG HWAN]
In fact, it seems like it's only a matter of time before issuing an arrest warrant. You mentioned earlier that you refused to receive the service of the Constitutional Court, but you have refused to receive the request for attendance since then. There's been a lot of talk about time-dragging and bed soccer, but there's only one point where the people are angry. When I invoked martial law and civil war, and when I implemented it, the constitutional order completely ignored the judicial system. However, since I am actually a suspect and want to be investigated and impeached by the Constitutional Court, I try to hide in the constitutional order and the constitutional system of the Republic of Korea and the judicial order. on the justification that no lawyer has been appointed

Then, when martial law was declared and the NEC employees and lawmakers were blocked from entering, did they give them time to appoint a lawyer? It doesn't make sense, does it? In this regard, regardless of whether this is illegal or not, the constitutional system and judicial order system of the Republic of Korea should respond firmly. If the president continues to sit idly by and give time to such behavior that ignores law and order, so do other criminals in the Republic of Korea and the president, and since there is a possibility that it will remain a stain on the Republic of Korea, I need to not only respond to the people's demands, but also show the suspect Yoon Suk Yeol that the constitutional system and judicial system are alive through actions, I see it like this.

[Anchor]
Another legal issue arose, and the Democratic Party of Korea sued lawyer Seok Dong-hyun, who is known to be participating in President Yoon's lawyers, for propaganda of rebellion. So, he said that he made various remarks in front of reporters, such as "I've never brought up a body," but lawyer Seok said he would file a complaint against CEO Lee Jae-myung and others for innocence today. What do you think?

[Park Sang Kyu]
I think it's a legal battle. As you know, lawyer Seok has been known to President Yoon for 45 years, so he has not been officially appointed as a lawyer in my opinion. But the lawyers haven't even been formed yet. It's an official appointment before the referee starts, but he's not talking about it from the perspective of the lawyers, but he's a best friend and a de facto public affairs officer from the perspective of his friend. There's no title like that either.Ma held a press conference with his school records and foreign media from that point of view, and he is expressing his position in many ways. This can be seen as a PR and public relations, but since he is accusing him of propaganda of some kind of civil war, he is doing this from the standpoint of a natural person without any legal basis. Isn't he also a lawyer? So I'm suing you saying this is innocent of me. So, once again, it's not a matter of right or wrong, but isn't it a little too much? So, the Democratic Party of Korea is very unpleasant to hear what lawyer Seok Dong-hyun said, especially that he didn't even bring up the arrest. Lawyer Seok Dong-hyun also said, "I just conveyed President Yoon's position from the standpoint of a natural person and a friend, but I try to forcefully combine it with it, so I respond with a counter-argument." This is how I see it, so isn't this a political battle between the two sides that borrowed the name of justice?

[Anchor]
Professor, from the public's point of view, as the critic who has not been appointed as an official lawyer said, isn't this a situation where you are even taking legal action as a natural person? I'm a little confused, but what do you think?

[PARK CHANG HWAN]
It's simple. Martial law is over, but the civil war that started under the pretext of martial law is not over yet. So this is the point where the people and the opposition are angry. Martial law was clearly ended in two hours because two-thirds of the National Assembly approved it, and the majority approved it. However, martial law is only a justification, and the actual civil war is a national civil war. These are attempts to paralyze the National Assembly and the Constitutional Organization of the Republic of Korea, the NEC, and seize control of the media, and now through daily investigations, people who participated in martial law plans and civil war plans are being newly revealed every day. In the case of intelligence agents, isn't the former intelligence commander a civilian? Every day, allegations that active-duty soldiers were under the direction of civilians and attempted a civil war are being revealed.

If we investigate more now, if the special prosecution is launched, it will be newly revealed who participated in the martial law civil war in various fields. The opposition party said, "Isn't it too much to say that this is the propaganda of civil war?" But are they the only people who have participated in the martial law and civil war attempts? In addition, there is no choice but to worry about the fact that the forces that advocate and protect are active again in the midst of the current people's protests. I think it is the duty of the Democratic Party and the opposition party to withdraw the participants and those forces who want to participate in the war through the punishment system to prevent advocacy or protection related to such civil war.

[Anchor]
You pointed out that the current situation of various confusion itself can be seen as a continuous logical situation, but I think I should continue to ask the two of you today. The Democratic Party of Korea pressed Acting President Han Deok-soo to promulgate the Presidential Insurrection Special Prosecutor Act and the Special Prosecutor Act on First Lady Kim Gun-hee by tomorrow. It actually hinted at impeachment, but the deadline is January 1st. If so, if you follow the Democratic Party's story, you will have to make a decision by today, what do you think will happen?

[Park Sang Kyu]
If you play soccer, it means you're going to go in alone and play. You can score ten goals. You can score 20 goals. Indeed, however, that is the case when the people accept that kind of unreasonable one-way traffic. First of all, it's not due process. The deadline is January 1st next year. The time given to the Prime Minister, as acting President. Not the prime minister. We have some time until January 1st. I'll deliberate on it myself. I'm going to go over various possibilities and make a decision at that time, but how many days are you pushing it? You're telling me to pull it out for more than a week and do it no matter what until today. As you put it, it's pressure. That's also one-sided. It's not about defending anyone, you have to wait. As a prime minister and acting president, he intends to answer according to the due process, but answer three questions by today unconditionally. At the same time, of course, the Democratic Party didn't use the term impeachment. I said I'd hold him accountable. So, the media asked if that sound suggested impeachment, so use it as good as you like, and this is how it goes to the implication of impeachment. Impeachment is a bit of a burden. In this part, the quorum issue of impeachment is legally taken. To remind you of

again, this problem came up in 2017 under former President Park Geun Hye. How many seats can the then acting president Hwang Kyo-ahn be impeached? I asked the National Assembly Legislature. At that time, the National Assembly Legislature answered. I thought he was the president and answered that he should have 200 seats. But of course, I didn't try it. So, only the questions and answers remain at that time. But the Democratic Party doesn't see it like that, and it has 151 seats. They say it's because he's the prime minister. Even if he is impeached for doing so, what will the public think about this? Then, will the Democratic Party unilaterally lead the National Assembly as it is impeached? It's also burdensome to do that. And Foreign Minister Cho Tae-yeol spoke with U.S. Secretary of State Blinken on the phone, which is the current South Korean government under Acting President Han Deok-soo. He didn't use the expression "government" but said "system." We'll have a high-level face-to-face conversation soon. Acting President Han Deok-soo even served as an ambassador to the U.S. and said, "We fully support you because you know us well." In that sense, it's a domestic issue in Korea.Ma was impeached by the opposition party again. Then who in Korea is our partner? This is because the Democratic Party of Korea has no choice but to look back when it comes to responsible politics as an absolute opposition party and majority party. Of course, that's what the floor leader says. Floor leader Park said, "Isn't there a second-ranked person? Of course, that's what I was talking about, but if that's the case, I'll go next to Lee Ju-ho, the deputy prime minister of education, if he doesn't listen. It shows this kind of process, and I'll tell you again, democracy is deliberative politics. I had an opponent. There is an absolute majority vote, but there is also a legitimate defense mechanism for the few, so I would like to push the deadline to January 1st next year faster through dialogue. Isn't it right to wait while doing that? I don't think you'll see it so finely when you make a decision and make a plan unilaterally.

[Anchor]
I'll ask you the same question by organizing the position of the people's power. Kwon Sung-dong, acting leader of the People's Power Party. He said that it would be a violation of the Constitution not to use the right to veto, and that he would strongly request the exercise of the right to request reconsideration. How do you view the prospect of veto, professor?

[PARK CHANG HWAN]
What the acting president said when he vetoed the 4th Agricultural Act was that he was very concerned about the spirit of the constitution. Then, is there any room to think about the constitutional spirit of the special prosecutor for rebellion? It means that we will investigate the apparent martial law and civil war. However, the current so-called police and the prosecution were also under the direction of martial law and civil war forces. That's why it is a matter that needs to be considered and will take time until January 1st to investigate properly through an independent counsel. with the intent of resolutely responding to a civil war Even so, acting Han Deok-soo is guilty of failing to prevent martial law and civil war. Nevertheless, the agency system was maintained in consideration of the issues of national newcomers and national insecurity mentioned earlier.

However, the special prosecutor, who claims to use the constitutional spirit to maintain the Yoon Suk Yeol government's policy and investigate the people's demands and the forces that plan next year, is dragging his feet like the president. The reason why the people are so anxious is that protests from both sides met in Gwanghwamun last weekend. There was also a farmers' protest in Namtaeryeong. The starting point of this is that the acting system of Han Deok-soo has not taken a firm stance on martial law and civil war. If, as the ruling party demanded on Friday, it would also accept the special prosecution for rebellion based on the spirit of the Constitution when it vetoed the four agricultural laws, would the public's anxiety have risen so much last weekend and uncertainty in state affairs have been maintained like a drag?

In this regard, the acting system of Han Deok-soo should make such a decision to reduce public anxiety, appoint a constitutional judge as soon as possible, and accept independent counsel for civil war to address uncertainties in state affairs. By clarifying its position on this part, Korea's so-called justice system and constitutional spirit clock, and ease public anxiety and uncertainty. Otherwise, as the acting system of Han Deok-soo failed to prevent the president from waging martial law rebellion, it could lead to greater confusion without finally resolving public uncertainty and anxiety, so I think Han Deok-soo should make a decision today.

[Park Sang Kyu]
I think acting Han Deok-soo is not going to drag all of this until January 1st next year, so December 31st. But the Democrats package these three together, so until the 24th, until tomorrow. I think it's too much to say that you should decide everything and pass it through. I think there is a possibility that the special prosecutor for rebellion, the special prosecutor for Kim Gun-hee, and the permanent special prosecutor will respond separately. So such an explicit expression of intention to continue to reject the General Insurrection Special Prosecutor and reject it will not be because I will be seen very badly by the people, but let's just tie it all up and deal with it in a bundle. In addition, appoint three more constitutional judges now. In a way, it's a 3+1 package. I'm saying I won't buy it if I tie it like that. So, to borrow from consumers, I'll do what I need. I didn't say that, but if there is a consultation between the floor leaders of the ruling and opposition parties within today, I think they will respond separately like that.

[Anchor]
Both mentioned the possibility of separate responses, not rejection. Let's wait and see what kind of position will come out.

The professor pointed out the dragging of time earlier, but the constitutional judge's confirmation hearing will also begin today. However, the Democratic Party of Korea is in a position to finish the process within this week, and it seems that the power of the people will take out the judgment card for the power dispute. What do you think?

[PARK CHANG HWAN]
It is up to the ruling party to decide whether or not to dispute the authority. Who's going to stop it when they say they're going to argue? But there is a point for the ruling party to think about. The fact that the party, which rejected the demands of the people, rejected the demands of the people, refused to lift martial law according to its own partisan interests, and rejected the impeachment by saying that it would hold another trial in such a power dispute with President Yoon Suk Yeol is no different from the people's view now. Apart from the people's power advocating martial law and civil war, they are saying that they will increase the clock of confusion in state affairs indefinitely.

In Korea, when I saw people protesting on the streets with cheering sticks on the streets about the martial law civil war, I thought that the Republic of Korea is really leading the world's democracy, but the politicians stepped up and asked for such aspirations and demands. What kind of choice will these parts be given to the people when they hide their partisan interests in the legal, so-called judicial system while defying the orders of the sovereign people? In the end, I think I have no choice but to face headwinds. Of course, you can say that you have to think about what to think about. However, it is also necessary to maintain the big framework of protecting the constitution.

If the people's power was active in lifting martial law and impeachment is inevitable, let's judge that this martial law and civil war cannot happen, but let's argue about legal issues. In this way, for example, if you did something like the appointment of a constitutional judge now, you would be less beaten. However, anyone can see that advocating or protecting martial law and civil war, and dragging the time as if they were playing a three-way match with President Yoon Suk Yeol amid these nuances, will inevitably face a backlash from the people.

[Park Sang Kyu]
The Constitutional Judge's confirmation hearing is originally 1+1+1. One person is supposed to be elected by agreement between the ruling and opposition parties. Of course, it is said that floor leader Choo Kyung-ho agreed on this before, but rather than an agreement at that time, the Democratic Party of Korea made it 2:1 with a huge seat ahead. So the ruling and opposition parties agreed to appoint one person, but the Democratic Party of Korea refused and is pushing ahead with numbers. Moreover, you're saying you're going to make the two of them this morning and afternoon. I'm telling you again, in the case of a de facto civilian like the president of KBS, and Lee Jin-sook, the chairman of the Korea Communications Commission, he did it for three days. However, one person will finish before lunch and the other person will finish before dinner, and the lawyer recommending people's strength will be appointed separately for a day. The shape of this is also unacceptable.

And now, the chairman of the special committee, Chung Sang-sik, a member of the People's Power Party, says he will not do it, so it is an urgent hearing for the Democratic Party of Korea to put in Park Ji-won. After doing that, they are asking us to appoint them all on the 27th. In democracy, numbers are of course important.There's a device for a small number of people. It's not even an absolute minority. 108 seats is not a small one. As you go in, you can proceed with it by agreement, and do it on the 27th unconditionally and appoint it as if you're nailing a date. This keeps showing me arrogant. I know it's urgent, but there's a saying that the more urgent it is, the more you should go back. Needles can never be used at the waist. It keeps falling out. I want to point out that.

[Anchor]
As you pointed out, I hope the agreement will be reached smoothly, but there is another agenda. He said that the State Security Council, and the ruling party, will eventually participate. However, it is right for the floor leaders to participate in the power of the people. Not the Democratic Party. Professor, why is the Democratic Party arguing that the party leadership should go in?

[PARK CHANG HWAN]
We're already experiencing impeachment for the third time, and there's been one case where we've actually been impeached. It's our third time doing this. What it means to say that impeachment comes out is that the president has committed a serious crime, or that the people have reclaimed their sovereignty. It's not just impeachment of an individual president, but it's actually given that power to the Cabinet and the members of the State Council who failed to assist it properly. That's why the acting president or the Cabinet has lost the trust of the people. That's why the country is confused. Until the Constitutional Court's decision is made quickly, why do you keep talking about the national cabinet? Until then, the Republic of Korea cannot be stopped.

State affairs should not be stopped, and someone should take care of our people's livelihoods. That's why the national cabinet is the first thing that comes out when such a situation occurs. If the current Cabinet meeting, the members of the State Council, act in accordance with the national cabinet, this will not come out. However, even during the last martial law civil war, the State Council did not serve as the State Council. And even now, they are accepting the veto power demanded by the ruling party while not quickly accepting the rebellion special prosecution demanded by the opposition party and the people. So these parts. There is also a problem of relieving public anxiety and national trust in foreign countries. Until the Constitutional Court makes a stable ruling on these things, there should be a consultative body equivalent to the ruling and opposition parties, that is, a national cabinet. In order to weigh in on it, isn't the majority of the National Assembly now the opposition party? Then, I think it is right for the opposition leader to go in there and show their heads together on state affairs.

However, the ruling party is practically absent from the representative of the ruling party. I'm on behalf of you. Then, everywhere else is acting, but only one party and the Democratic Party with more than 170 seats are representatives of the party, so it may be a solution for the floor leader to operate the level at the representative level. However, when entering here, I think the starting point should be clear. We are strict about martial law civil war. When it comes to this, you have to gather with your middle fingers. If those people are included in this, saying that martial law is not something that can be done, it would be a conversation. In that respect, in order for the ruling and opposition party-government consultative body to have weight and to relieve public anxiety, it is in principle correct that the representative level should be included.

[Park Sang Kyu]
If Lee Jae-myung joins the party, he is the most likely presidential candidate if he presupposes an early presidential election. If representative Lee Jae-myung enters, this ruling-opposition-government consultative body appears to be Lee Jae-myung's consultative body. I'm dragging them all. If you do that, it's 2:1. Then the question is, if there's no agreement here, will it be a majority vote? You have to think about that, too. So I think Woo Won-sik's mediation plan is reasonable. And as Woo Won-sik said, kick-off. I keep talking about soccer, but at the beginning, CEO Lee Jae-myung goes in and takes pictures. And when it's actually run, two floor leaders. Floor leader Park Chan-dae and floor leader Kwon Sung-dong are practically leading them.

Isn't the People's Power saying that it will appoint an emergency committee chairman soon? If the emergency committee chairman is appointed at that time, it is a representative level. Then, CEO Lee Jae-myung should wait a few days until he goes in, or we should do it while keeping the magic of operation alive. We'll just set the rules for everything. It's like that. The prosecutor will also appoint a judge. If the player decides the referee, this game itself is meaningless. Democracy, as I said earlier, is a system of consensus and deliberation. So, if we brag about this too much, it is not easy for the state administration itself and the people we want to worry about now to be resolved. In that sense, I would like to say that I would like the powerful side to show a little generosity and wait rather than just being a national council that blushes and breaks up and falls apart.

[Anchor]
I'm sorry, but I don't have much time. It's a little important agenda, so I think I have no choice but to ask you a question, but please make this short.

People's Power, didn't you say earlier that the Democratic Party of Korea has a representative now, but the people's power does not have a representative? So, the prospects are divided on who will be the emergency committee chairman, who should serve as the de facto leader of the party of the people's power. Can you tell me the view?

[Park Sang Kyu]
There's no point in the prospect. I just want you to make a decision quickly. The reason for this is that now is not the time to talk about what kind of two-top party is or one-top party. Quickly. And in my view, how ungrateful are the people now that those who were in favor of the lifting of the so-called martial law emergency that led to this situation said they would take this on again under the name of senior? Considering that we need to show more people that they are trying to change something, I hope that it will be a small appointment to let the people know that they are not being discussed now, apart from being touched. I hope we can do it as soon as possible.

[Anchor]
The appointment should be made quickly. What do you think?

[PARK CHANG HWAN]
It's similar to what you said earlier. It seems to have united as a force to defend the martial law civil war under the guise of a single battalion. With this image, and with that shape, one top, two top. I don't think I can solve the problem, no matter who it is. Until there is a party leader who draws a firm line on the martial law civil war and shows the people's major awakening and change, the people's power will continue to fall into chaos. In that sense, a clear line on the martial law civil war can be the starting point of the new agency system, it will be the starting point of the emergency committee, I think so.

[Anchor]
Regardless of the position, I think the way to reduce political uncertainty is to decide the head quickly.

Let's stop here. I talked with Park Sang-gyu, a current affairs critic, and Park Chang-hwan, a special professor at Jangan University.