[New Square 10] When will the arrest warrant be executed...Chief Park Jong-joon appears at the police station.

■ Host: Anchor Park Seok-won, Anchor Um Ji-min
■ Starring: Lee Jong-geun, current affairs critic, Seo Yong-ju, head of the Political and Social Research Institute

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[Anchor] Amid the imminent second execution of the arrest warrant for President
Yoon, Park Jong-joon, the head of the security service, will appear before the police on charges of obstructing the execution of special public affairs, as previously mentioned. Let me point it out with you two. Let's talk in detail with Lee Jong-geun, a current affairs critic, and Seo Yong-ju, head of the Political and Social Research Institute. Welcome. Chief Park Jong-joon said he would attend because there were many observations that the police would not come as expected. We have about 5 minutes left. How did you see it?

[Applicant owner]
First of all, Chief Park Jong-joon himself was also a former police officer. The current situation itself has become difficult to make excuses for attendance. At first, I can't go because the security detail runs in a variety of ways. Then, the lawyer cannot be appointed. But we can't postpone it anymore. The things that pressure the National Assembly until the third summons are that they will eventually apply for an arrest warrant. In addition to the execution of the court's arrest warrant for the head of the Yoon Suk Yeol president's civil war, the security service's arrest warrant is also executed when the security chief blocks it on the spot. In that case, I think I made a strategic judgment that the security could be disrupted. So, I will prevent an arrest warrant from being issued. So I'll summon him and give him a call in his own way. Of course, I don't know the urgency of the emergency arrest in the third summons, but for now, Chief Park Jong-joon himself seems to have made a choice that he has no choice but to come out as a desperate measure to prepare for the issuance of future arrest warrants.

[Anchor]
I refused to attend twice before, but this time, I also appointed a lawyer. You're in attendance. What strategy should we take?

[Lee Jong-geun]
First of all, he probably has a legal basis for protecting the president now. Isn't it an obstruction of the execution of special duties that's coming back to you now? Articles 2 and 3 of the Security Service Act say that it is legally possible to escape the charges of obstructing the execution of public affairs, so the head of the security service is a public official. When it comes to public officials belonging to the office, it includes all public officials dispatched to the presidential office. So, I think he will argue that he is not guilty of obstructing the execution of special public affairs with the provisions that he can command his officials, including dispatched public officials.

[Anchor]
At the time of preparing for the second execution, if Director Park Jong-joon attends the police now, will the second execution be easier?

[Applicant owner]
Since he is the head of the entire security service, the investigation into the alleged obstruction of justice against the head can be a little disruptive in the preparation of various unity and operations for the entire organization. It seems that the head of the security agency is also now going to the police and being investigated about the court's legitimate arrest warrant. The fact that the charges have been filed will raise questions about whether it is right for the other bodyguards and others to block the arrest warrant issued by the court now under the Security Service Act. In that regard, they will honestly be uncertain whether this is right or not.
Do you think it's not right for the security guards to stand up to an arrest warrant from the Korean judicial system with the security law, but are you a traitor again if you get out of it due to your organizational physiology? Because you can be criticized for this kind of finger-pointing, you can cry and eat, but if the chief himself is investigated today and his own police pressure is revealed, I think the defense in the entire security service could be a little loose. I think so.

[Anchor]
Do you think there is a possibility that Chief Park Jong-joon will start executing a second arrest warrant while under investigation?

[Lee Jong-geun]
I don't know. The key is how long it will take today, and it would have been possible if Chief of Security Park Jong-joon notified this in advance and checked the number of cases that he said he would do it at this moment, but I don't think it's possible today because I'm passing through the site now. The current situation is quite loose. The two most urgent things to go back to are the iron gates and roads, and the atmosphere is not much more urgent than usual when you look at the first and second cordons. And there were three cars blocked vertically in the first cordon, but there are only two now, and the door seems to be open and accessible. Also, the number of participants in the rally who tried to stop was also very low. So, I'm very nervous today. Of course, there is a possibility that an arrest team will be sent in surprise by taking advantage of such a situation, but wouldn't Chief Park Jong-joon also consider the number of cases and appear now that he will go at 10 o'clock? So, it seems that the head of the security department has probably decided to do it today because there is a assumption that it will not be executed today.

[Anchor]
It was only a few hours ago that Chief Park Jong-joon would appear at the police today. Until last night, there was no such news until early this morning. Then, among Chief Park Jong-joon's concerns so far, didn't he order the Seoul Metropolitan Area Investigation Team to gather? Didn't you send an official letter? Is there a sense of crisis that these things can no longer be prevented?

[Applicant owner]
That's possible. If you look at it now, it is said that the staff of the security office in Hannam-dong are quite agitated. So if you look at it now, it's known as the Kim Yong-hyun line. It's called the Kim Gun-hee line, and there are four Kim Gun-hee and Kim Yong-hyun lines, starting with Director Park Jong-joon, Director Kim Sung-hoon, and two more. So, except for about four heads of state, I hope that the bodyguards in the security service will stop being the president. There is a widespread atmosphere about how long we should carry this legal burden, and in the end, the military and police were also excluded from security. Then only the bodyguard remains.

On top of that, the police will convene all the Gwangsudae, which says they are the best at arresting the most violent crimes in Korea, and gather in this arrest, so the end is decided anyway. There is no criminal who can beat the judicial system of the Republic of Korea. Despite knowing that, it is almost a public opinion battle and playing tricks, but in that sense, the judgment that this execution is impossible to prevent or heavy-handed is clearly based on the attendance of Director Park Jong-joon.

[Anchor]
Rep. Lee Kwang-hee of the Democratic Party also proposed a bill to abolish the security service. There is also a theory of abolishing the security service, but how will this discussion unfold in the future?

[Lee Jong-geun]
Well, it reminds me of the word piers.

[Anchor]
Wait a minute, there's a breaking news, but the security chief was supposed to be present by 10 o'clock, and reporters were waiting now, but he said he's already gone. The security chief is now being investigated after attending the police. The on-site screen hasn't come in yet, but if there are any attendance processes or such processes, I'll let you know once again. Since it's a closed investigation, the post-war process is not coming out.I'll tell you again if I get caught by the reporters in the process of coming out. Please do it again.

[Lee Jong-geun]
I think the abolition of the security service is the killing of piers. What it means is this. Is it because of the system called the security service that the security service is interfering with the execution of public affairs, or did the president, who has to command the security service, abuse it? I don't think people are the problem, not the system. Some people say this. There is only our country. In the case of Britain and foreign countries, there is a ubiquity of security services in the police, but not under the direct control of the president.

But I wonder if we should take into account the special situation in Korea. How far did Kim Shin-jo and other armed guards come in 1968? I came all the way to the mountain behind Cheong Wa Dae. So we had a confrontation there, and the bullets were completely poured out at that time. There was an incident like that
. You will also remember the Aung San terror attack in 1984, and the shooting of Yuk Young-soo in 1974. These things are only about an hour away when we talk about Seoul, where the two Koreas are currently facing each other, in terms of distance from North Korea, and in terms of the distance of the armistice line. Considering these special circumstances, there is a system because of public consensus that there is no choice but to have a system related to special security under the presidential office called the Security Service. That's why I think it's more desirable to supplement the Security Service Act, as mentioned now, the scope of the security service's authority in these situations related to the president, rather than removing the security service unconditionally.

[Anchor]
Breaking news once again, the president reported that the security chief was attending the police and being investigated. I think lawyer Yoon Gap-geun just broke the news related to this. Since the chief of security is outside the security area, the deputy chief of security will act on behalf of the security guard according to the regulations until the chief of security returns from the investigation. Now, the police have heard that Park Jong-joon, the head of the bodyguard, is being investigated by attending the police. We will deliver news related to the investigation once more when we receive additional news from the site. The head of the
Security Department is attending the police, but the pros and cons rally around the Hannam-dong residence is... Let's listen to the on-site story for a moment.

[Reporter]
What will you clarify in today's investigation?

[PARK JONG JUN]
First of all, I know that many people will be worried about the current conflict and confrontation between government agencies. In order to prevent such a situation, I have called Acting Chief Choi Sang-mok several times to suggest mediation between government agencies, and asked the president's lawyers for a third alternative, thinking that no physical conflict or bloodshed should occur in any case. But we didn't get the right answer. I believe that the investigation process should be carried out in accordance with the status of the incumbent president. I don't think it's the current procedure for executing arrest warrants.

I hope that the investigation process will proceed appropriately to the president in accordance with Korea's national prestige. And I decided to respond to the police summons from the beginning, but the defense team's preparation was delayed a little, so I responded today. If the police refuse to summon the police and do not get investigated, who will be investigated by the police? I think we should respect the police's status as an investigative agency. Today, we will reveal all the contents in detail and sincerely investigate. Thank you.

[Reporter]
Do you admit to the charge of obstructing the execution of special public affairs?

[PARK JONG JUN]
I will explain the details in detail during the investigation process.

[Reporter]
Are you not planning to continue cooperating with the execution of arrest warrants?

[PARK JONG JUN]
I don't think it's appropriate for me to tell you the contents during the investigation process, and to tell you those contents here.

[Reporter]
The arrest warrant was legally issued, but why are you blocking it?

[PARK JONG JUN]
That's because there are many legal theories. I'll tell you during the investigation.

[Reporter]
Didn't the court dismiss the objection?

[PARK JONG JUN]
The dismissal was already made by the court after we executed it and after the execution of the warrant. Until then, there was no such content.

[Reporter]
Do you think the warrant is legitimate?

[PARK JONG JUN]
I think there will be legal debates with each other during the investigation process.

[Reporter]
Please say something here, too.

[Reporter]
Chief, you've been refusing to summon today, and the police have been considering arresting you, but the reason why you decided to attend...

[Jongjun Park]
It doesn't matter. From the beginning, I was thinking of responding to a police summons and responding to an investigation, and the summons was the first day after the incident and then the second three days, and I didn't have the time to prepare a lawyer. In the meantime, a lawyer has been prepared, and I decided to take up the investigation today. I'll go in.

[Anchor]
You came after seeing Park Jong-joon, the chief of security, appear at the police. I answered the questions of the field reporters several times. Let's hear a little more about the scene.

[PARK JONG JUN]
I know that many people will be worried. In order to prevent such a situation, I have called Acting Chief Choi Sang-mok several times to suggest mediation between government agencies, and asked the president's lawyers for a third alternative, thinking that no physical conflict or bloodshed should occur in any case. But we didn't get the right answer.

I believe that the investigation process should be carried out in accordance with the status of the incumbent president. I don't think it's the current procedure for executing arrest warrants. I hope that the investigation process will proceed appropriately to the president in accordance with Korea's national prestige. And I decided to respond to the police summons from the beginning, but the defense team's preparation was delayed a little, so I responded today. If the police refuse to summon the police and do not get investigated, who will be investigated by the police? I think we should respect the police's status as an investigative agency. Today, we will reveal all the contents in detail and sincerely investigate. Thank you.

[Reporter]
Do you admit to the charge of obstructing the execution of special public affairs?

[PARK JONG JUN]
I will explain the details in detail during the investigation process.

[Reporter]
Are you not planning to continue cooperating with the execution of arrest warrants?

[PARK JONG JUN]
I don't think it's appropriate for me to tell you the contents during the investigation process, and to tell you those contents here.

[Reporter]
The arrest warrant was legally issued, but why are you blocking it?

[PARK JONG JUN]
That's because there are many legal theories. I'll tell you during the investigation.

[Reporter]
Didn't the court dismiss the objection?

[PARK JONG JUN]
The dismissal was already made by the court after we executed it and after the execution of the warrant. Until then, there was no such content.

[Reporter]
Do you think the warrant is legitimate?

[PARK JONG JUN]
I think there will be legal debates with each other during the investigation process.

[Reporter]
Please say something here, too.

[Reporter]
Chief, you've been refusing to attend today, and the police have been considering arresting you, but the reason why you decided to attend...

[Jongjun Park]
It doesn't matter. From the beginning, I was thinking of responding to a police summons and responding to an investigation, and the summons was the first day after the incident and then the second three days, and I didn't have the time to prepare a lawyer. In the meantime, a lawyer has been prepared, and I decided to take up the investigation today. I'll go in.

[Anchor]
Chief Park Jong-joon expressed his position while attending the police. Several times, he proposed arbitration, but also requested a third alternative, but there was no proper answer, and an investigation procedure suitable for the current presidential status is needed. He said he would do his best to investigate today. First of all, Choi Sang-mok also requested arbitration several times. The president's lawyer also asked for a third alternative several times, he said. When you blocked the first execution, didn't you send a video saying you would block it until the end? I think there's a slightly more relaxed atmosphere with him.

[Applicant owner]
That's right. I'm going to give my all. It's almost the same as saying you're going to give your life. Now, the lawless zone in Korea is Hannam-dong official residence. It's a place where no judicial power or any investigative power in the Republic of Korea works. The attitude shown by the security chief there was through the video that I would give my life to the end together in this lawless world, but as I said earlier, I can sense that the atmosphere inside is changing a little.

The security chief himself has been in the police for a very long time and has tried to do politics in the political world. And the evaluation was not bad in its own way. He said, "What's wrong with you when you're a reasonable, and you can't stop law enforcement by force?" Recently, the military and police have been removed from security and the security services have been isolated, and as time goes by, I think, "Oh, if I do my best here, I can be really good." So, I think it's an attendance to get out of the arrest part of my personal body, expressing my position on obstruction of public affairs, and using my own exit strategy. Kim Sung-hoon was immediately appointed as an acting deputy chief, but he is known to be more influential than Director Park Jong-joon at the security office. This is actually the center of the line between Kim Gun-hee and Kim Yong-hyun, and should we check it yet, but recently opened fire in case of emergency, the security service. When there were talks about firing, there were also talks about whether it was Director Park Jong-joon or Deputy Director Kim Sung-hoon. Therefore, it seems that this part will also be carried out in today's investigation.

[Anchor]
And regarding the warrant, in the previous position, it was expressed as a warrant executed on the grounds of expediency and illegality. But today, it's subtly different. There is a theory in law. I think this has changed a bit, too.

[Lee Jong-geun]
That's right. But rather than changing my attitude, I think that the last press conference, the press conference that we talked about like a discourse, and today's Q&A are different in character. Isn't it a situation where you have to appear to the police and defend yourself legally today? So anyway, even if it's an answer to reporters, I have to go in right away and answer the question, and anyway, I don't get arrested, but today I have to come out as responding to the summons. That way, you have to go back and continue your duties. But I'm not going to say that I'm going to block when reporters ask me questions here. Of course. And shouldn't we go along with the river anyway that what we've done so far is legal? To do that, I did my best, and I also did my best at the security office.

For example, I asked for arbitration and a third alternative, but I had no choice but to block it because I did not respond to it. So I think it's a prepared answer to emphasize that his duties as the head of the security service are not illegal. I think it's the same for the legal aspect now. I didn't block it because it was wrong, but legally, I'm ready to argue. After reviewing all these differences, we saw in advance the basic basis for the mindset that I will now work on or the answer in the future, and I think it can be interpreted like this.

[Anchor]
But didn't you say that you were going to respond to the summons from the beginning, but the appointment of a lawyer was delayed? In the first or second round of
, I said I couldn't attend because I had no choice but to do my job due to urgent situations such as presidential security. Why did the reason change?

[Applicant owner]
So it's all an excuse. First of all, the third round is just around the corner. to anyone's eyes So you know clearly that an arrest warrant will be issued when it is applied, and then your personal arrest will inevitably go anyway. And I can't rule out the emergency arrest today, and there is a high concern about recidivism of the crime in the end. So, although there is a legal dispute over the execution of public affairs now, there is a concern that if the execution of public affairs goes back, the execution of the state's judicial power will face off again. Then, when that part is considered, it would be right to say that you took that risk and came out. However, I will give you various reasons, but it is not reasonable. If you think you won't come out to the end, you won't come out, or you have to reasonably give various reasons, but in the first round, there was a sense of urgency of security, but now you don't have it? There are more. the urgency of security Then it shouldn't come out. But looking at what's coming out, in the end, the exit strategy seems to be right, that's what it looks like.

[Anchor]
In addition to Director Park Jong-joon, the police department has also requested attendance for Kim Sung-hoon, who is now acting. In the future, since Chief Park Jong-joon came out, are the other security officials more likely to attend?

[Lee Jong-geun]
Well, I think it'll be a little different in personality. There are many things that I agree with the complaint you mentioned a while ago, because I've heard a lot that the atmosphere inside the security office is mixed. In particular, the head of the security department is a person who was a second-term police officer and passed the test while attending the police department, so he was very promising inside the police.

That's why I've heard a lot about being a police chief. And he's also someone who's constantly been referred to as an elite, so as we were talking about earlier, I think this is authentic. I think it's sincere to some extent that I was a former police officer and I didn't intend to refuse to proceed legitimately with the police's top investigative agency from the beginning. As a person with enough pride as a second-term police officer, refusing to comply with the police summons means that he does not want to be branded. But as you have said, the atmosphere of lockdown is much stronger for the conductor and those below. The current residence. So now, Chief of Security Park Jong-joon may have come out under the overall strategy, but I think the personal judgment that I have to comply with the summons as a second-term police officer is one of the factors that will appear today. I think the atmosphere will be very different from the conductor.

[Anchor]
Then, as you mentioned earlier, the remaining deputy police chief, he's acting now, aren't you saying he's much tougher? Then, wouldn't the possibility of armed conflict be a little higher when the second execution was carried out?

[Applicant owner]
However, the armed conflict is the biggest concern for us now, but there is a very high possibility that armed conflict will not occur. This could be intimidation. Bloodshed, armed conflict, and even civil war on the part of Yoon Suk Yeol. What kind of country is Korea now, and how dare you talk about civil war? At this level of Hannam-dong residence, all the people in the security service have become security guards through various national exams. I know. What do you mean a civil war? So who's the rebels and who's the government?

There is definitely a part about how long I should be protected next to the delusional people who are making this logic, so if you fire, some people with firearms will do it. But I don't think I'm going to follow that order just because they told me to fire collectively. Since this is intimidation, I need to be strong in terms of how loose the enforcement of the law for fear of bloodshed or armed conflict plays into the logic of the criminal group, and this is how a person who commits a crime in this society breaks down the judicial system for various reasons. That's what I'd like to say.

[Anchor]
Director Park Jong-joon said he had called acting chief Choi Sang-mok to ask for interagency mediation while attending the meeting a while ago. I asked the president's lawyers for a third alternative. But he said he didn't get an answer. The security service is close and close to the president. But is there any communication with the president or the president's lawyers or not?

[Lee Jong-geun]
Of course, we can communicate, and I think you asked me because of the third alternative. The third alternative was also mentioned by the president's lawyers. So there are a few things. I will respond to the police's investigation. Make a pre-warrant. a third alternative just before this For example, there were reports that they could respond to a written investigation or another investigation at a third place. That's because the lawyers didn't officially announce it, but the media reports came out after the first round of execution, saying, "This is also the case for the lawyers."

So, the lawyers don't think of a third alternative unconditionally, but I don't see that the security office said this. But I definitely have a regret that I should have been more active. And what's a little embarrassing is what it would have been like to actively talk about and coordinate a third alternative when he summoned the president and said he would investigate the president from the beginning. But at that time, I stubbornly refused. That's why the president's office provided the excuse for the arrest warrant. However, since a third alternative is being discussed a little late, it feels like the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is not accepting it, but I think the third alternative is a very necessary one in the coordination process.

[Anchor]
Oh Dong-woon, head of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, said yesterday, "If lawmakers block the execution of arrest warrants, they can be arrested as active offenders." It can be called a subtle, intentional or unintentional change in the security line. How do ruling party lawmakers look at it?

[Applicant owner]
The ruling party lawmakers will encourage the security service more because they are almost sympathizing with the civil war in many ways. And I don't talk about the president at all about what Yoon Suk Yeol's current president has done. Just talk about your presidential status. Still, the presidential office of the Republic of Korea has been suspended, doesn't he have a job? Please treat me like a president. But why don't you talk about it? To be treated as such a president, you should have done something worthy of the president. However, even though the head of the rebellion became a pig suspect, the president is refusing an arrest warrant issued by the Korean judicial system. Why aren't you criticizing that? So in this regard, there is no change in itself because the ruling party has decided to just do it with the support of the civil war.

It accelerated further, for example, the civil war that the president of Yoon Suk Yeol is talking about. So it's pro-North Korean forces who are arresting the president now. So, all citizens of the Republic of Korea are anti-state forces except those in the official residence over there. It will continue to show the ruling party's position of being delusional together, siding with this kind of logic. I think there will be strange positions that don't shake an inch. What I want now is that if you want to be treated by the president, I want the president to show the right dignity. For example, Chief Park Jong-joon said that he would respect the police and be investigated by the police because he was a former police officer, believing in the police. Because he used to be a police officer. But you're a former prosecutor general.

But don't you respect the prosecution's investigation? In this regard, there should be no three-way alternative in terms of the current behavior of the president, who is worse than the chief of security. Just the same, more severe. Showing a responsibility that is added to it as much as the authority you have. I think this is the biggest solution that President Yoon Suk Yeol can solve.

[Anchor]
Director Oh Dong-woon also said that he would work with the determination that the second round of execution would be the last, but if he fails to secure Yoon Suk Yeol's presidential recruits this time, what are the options for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit in the future?

[Lee Jong-geun]
There must be one or two options for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. Just how to prosecute without detention and then re-transfer to the police. I ask for the latter. The director said this earlier. Since Park Jong-joon was a former police officer, he showed minimal attitude in responding to police investigations, but the president said otherwise, but in fact, he kept asking for a second choice. Therefore, only the police have the authority to investigate the crime of rebellion, so I will respond to the police's investigation. That's what we're talking about. So it's true that the first button was stitched wrong from the beginning.

No matter how much I think about it. Of course, the government insists on investigating the crime because it is a related crime, but if the police had done it from the beginning, and the police had asked for an investigation and requested a warrant, why would the presidential office have to do it? So I have to do the latter. Maybe the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit won't be re-transporting. This is because the incompetence and lack of judgment of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit have already been revealed. Even within the Democratic Party of Korea, which created the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, there is a theory that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is useless, and if you transfer it again, you can't show anything and only show incompetence and end it.
So he probably professes that he will do it unconditionally, but if he fails to do so, I think he will be prosecuted.

[Anchor]
Let's talk about former lawmaker Kim Min. Former lawmaker Kim Min arranged a press conference for Baekgol-dan, which is very controversial. Let's listen to former lawmaker Kim Min's remarks for a moment and ask what you two think. Let's listen to it.

[Anchor]
Where is the background of former lawmaker Kim Min's judgment?

[Applicant owner]
That's why I don't have any thoughts. I didn't judge. So as a member of the National Assembly, I didn't even look for what the white bone team was. The history of the Baekgoldan is a special group used in recent years to brutally suppress and suppress democratization figures during the Chun Doo-hwan military dictatorship in the 1980s. As a judicial police officer, the white bone team used it as a bad concept for the police. It's almost brought back the remnants of military dictatorship. In the Japanese colonial era, for example, it was the Baekgoldan that beat the independence forces and anti-Japanese activists. Japanese police put Japanese traffickers and several people in the white bone. That's why it's the Baekgoldan that caught anti-Japanese activists.

It is at the level of a member of the National Assembly who does not even look into the concept of such historical basics. That's representatively former lawmaker Kim Min. So there's nothing to evaluate. Did you do this late? And you cancel it. If it's this much legislative activity, I'd like to return the badge. There's nothing that's helpful to the people. Even though a civil war broke out, they went to the asphalt right and shouted, saying this is not a civil war. For example, he's sleeping in the main conference hall. I don't know why you're wearing a badge. Isn't this a waste of people's taxes?
I don't just have to cancel it in that regard. Fundamentally, former lawmaker Kim Min seems to need a qualification examination in terms of the power of the people, especially in terms of whether he is qualified as a member of the National Assembly throughout the political circles of the ruling and opposition parties.

[Anchor]
Rep. Kim Min, former lawmaker of the Democratic Party of Korea, should be expelled immediately. And in the power of the people, make your position clear, because they are protesting like this.

[Lee Jong-geun]
I also agree that it was extremely inappropriate. In 1987, we created the Constitution and the Republic was made with that Constitution, and the reason why the Constitution was made was because of the struggle for democratization in the 1980s. However, the Baekgoldan is the organization within the police that actively and violently suppressed the pro-democracy struggle. Baekgoldan was not actually named inside the police, but because they were arrested wearing white hats and plain clothes, but it was not an official organization name. However, in such a situation where the memory still remains vivid, he proudly held a press conference like that at the National Assembly? I can never say that it's appropriate. I think it is a procedure that should be received regardless of whether you are referred to the appropriate ethics committee and warned or not.

But what I'm concerned about here is that I'm saying it's inappropriate. Anyway, isn't former lawmaker Kim Min's expression peaceful? It's because of the violent suppression associated with the white-golden group, the powerful impression of its name, but people who are peacefully legitimate protestors cannot blame themselves. There was a Jewish town in Illinois in the United States. A group of young men from the province of Sinach protested against Jews in a Jewish village. But didn't the Jewish village of course demand a ban from the court? But what the Supreme Court said at the time was that they gave permission, saying, "What should be threatened more than their threats is to suppress freedom of expression."

It was very resonant, but in the United States, freedom of expression came first. By doing so, virtually everyone gathered from all over the country. On the contrary, opponents of neo-Nazi have demonstrated there again, preventing the people of neo-Nazi from protesting properly. The result is important, but the courage, the courage of the United States. Even the neo-Nazi think it's very meaningful to have the courage to allow freedom of expression. I don't totally agree with the people wearing white hats over there. But I don't think you should blame them if they're doing a legitimate protest.

[Anchor]
It can be seen as a personal matter for former lawmaker Kim Min, but former lawmaker Kim Min is a member of the ruling party's public party. What measures should be taken in terms of the power of the people?

[Applicant owner]
It is normal to do it in terms of the power of the people. But nothing is normal. The ruling party and the president themselves are not thinking normally. So, there is a fight between legal and illegal in Korea, but there is a fight between normal and abnormal. Common sense, principles, rationality, intelligence, which many people in Korea have been doing so far, are basically what we have always learned. You have to use an umbrella when it rains. It's just like that. You have to eat rice with a spoon and chopsticks. You can't eat it with your hands. What happens to this country is that even if it rains, you can just go around without an umbrella and eat it with your hands or whatever you eat.

It's turning into this kind of anti-rational country. In that sense, if you look at it now, is the power of the people also making a normal judgment? I'm not going to do anything about it at all. About former lawmaker Kim Min. What I'm telling you is not denigrating former lawmaker Kim Min, but it's with the people's taxes if you're a lawmaker of that level. The People's Power Party doesn't pay Kwon Sung-dong, the floor leader. It's all people's taxes, and isn't it right for the voters to know their own shame and put it down when they don't do anything appropriate? This is not just once or twice, is it? Especially the white bone team? You can defend that this is freedom of expression, but how is that freedom of expression? Civil war? Is there a white bone of peace that says
Civil War? I think that there are many lawmakers within the power of the people, and those parts are blocking the path of the Republic of Korea to the top. It's miserable.

[Anchor]
I'll talk about this part, too. Park Jung-hoon, former head of the Marine Corps Investigation Team, who was indicted in connection with the death of a Marine soldier, was acquitted in the first trial yesterday. Isn't this the first case where the president's anger came out? How will this acquittal affect the political world going forward?

[Lee Jong-geun]
First of all, I think the power of the people should be changed more forward-looking in this regard. If the Marine Chae's death in the line of duty continues not only at the expense of one person but also at the expense of this system, wouldn't another incident happen within the military system in the future? But of course, there are definitely some of Colonel Park's various actions that I thought were not legitimate. However, if Colonel Park's attitude so far is legally innocent, I think the power of the people should be changed more forward-looking in areas such as the Marine Special Prosecutor Act.

[Anchor]
Now, the Democratic Party of Korea has expressed its position that it will step up efforts to reveal the inside story of the incident and the body of external pressure. How will yesterday's first trial ruling affect the disclosure of related suspicions in the future?

[Applicant owner]
It plays a very important role. You've almost made a demon about Colonel Park Jung-hoon. Colonel Park Jung-hoon, as the head of the investigation, just did it about the transfer of the case according to the principle at the time, but that's called a mutiny. At first, it was called a mutt. At the same time, he pressed me by saying that he was almost a mutiny and asking for such heavy responsibility that the death penalty could be committed, but he came all the way here to defend his honor by proudly overcoming the really difficult process. Of course, even though it was the first trial, he was acquitted in this part.

So, whether it's the Minister of Defense or anyone else, they don't have the authority to give orders to transfer to this. It has been claimed by the Democratic Party and Colonel Park Jung-hoon. But in the meantime, what was it like starting with President Yoon Suk Yeol and Divisional Chief Lim Sung-hoon? They all lied to the people. In that regard, you have to correct the truth. The essence of this issue is to resolve Colonel Park Jung-hoon's unfairness, but was there any external pressure? You can't go over this part in vain. We need to see who Lim Sung-geun, the division commander, tried to cover up the external pressure by making Colonel Park Jung-hoon a scapegoat while lying like this, and most of all, yesterday's suggestions are in line with the recent situation, so is the security service.

You don't have to hear about illegal orders that are illegal and unconstitutional. It shouldn't be done, but it's not illegal not to listen. Therefore, I would like to say that Colonel Park Jung-hoon's acquittal of the first trial yesterday has many implications for uniformed citizens and public officials in the Republic of Korea.

[Anchor]
However, former Defense Minister Lee Jong-seop says it is difficult to accept Colonel Park Jung-hoon's innocence. You mean you're gonna fight at the appeals court, right?

[Lee Jong-geun]
That's right. Because if former Defense Minister Lee Jong-seop doesn't argue with this, he will be the one who exerted external pressure, and he will be involved in it later to determine whether he is guilty or not. So he didn't intervene in this.
And he has no choice but to stick to the position that he did not exert external pressure. In fact, I think there was a part of the reality of external pressure by going in a different direction from the essence, but nevertheless, didn't you change the law in relation to Lee during the Moon Jae In administration? So, the military prosecution does not have the authority to investigate the two cases.

For example, soldiers who have been killed inside the military or sexual misconduct related to sexual assault are transferred to private investigative agencies. Then, a transfer should not be the stage of investigating who is guilty or who is not guilty, but the outline of this case should be a transfer under this circumstance, and I think it is actually an excess of authority to transfer the case as if the investigation was conducted and concluded that someone was suspected right before that. I think it would be better to cover that more accurately.

[Anchor]
I think we should also look at the position of the people's power. Judging from the public's position yesterday, the court judged that it was unclear whether then-commander Kim Kye-hwan ordered Colonel Park Jeong-hoon to suspend the transfer and that the order could not be regarded as a protest because the order was uncertain. This is the public's position of power. That's why the Democratic Party refuted the ruling, saying, "Don't mislead."

[Lee Jong-geun]
That's right. From the perspective of the people's power, they probably haven't been able to get the verdict right away as soon as the first trial comes out. It appears that the comment was made at the level of
press release. I hope that the power of the people will be more forward-looking when the ruling comes out. When this continues to be a fight situation, the people have no choice but to think that one soldier has been sacrificed, and that the people's power continues to come forward and cover it. I want to be more forward-looking.

[Anchor]
Amid mounting pressure from opposition parties and politicians over various links surrounding President Yoon, President Yoon's lawyer also held a meeting with foreign reporters. There is a story of a meeting of lawyers on the scene. If the recording is ready, we will listen to President Yoon's remarks to foreign reporters. Yoon Gap-geun is a lawyer, let's hear what he said.

I'm struggling because I'm afraid I won't achieve the martial law purpose, but if I say what the purpose is and I'm afraid I won't achieve it, do you think it's still going on?

[Applicant owner]
That's right. So it's right to say that the part about the civil war is still ongoing. You say that to foreign media. We are still considering whether our goal has been achieved. I still want to do it. This coup d'etat. I want to make the civil war successful.
So you're going to call it a civil war, aren't you? So I think this is something that the court and the judiciary should consider. I keep talking about foreign journalists, but I hope they disgrace their country to a certain extent. They don't even write foreign media. I'm going to be sarcastic if you express it like that. What kind of country is Korea?

After the political democratization in 1987, how much time did it take to raise democratization to this point, and even though the measure of democracy in Korea has risen to the level of the Nobel Prize in Literature as Han Kang recently won the Nobel Prize, the president's act of civil war was an act to correct the country. It's a matter of laughing
. That is why underdeveloped countries are seen as barbaric underdeveloped countries, not just underdeveloped countries. I just want to tell you one thing. Colonel Park Jung-hoon and those people are lawmen and there are many politicians. You can make political statements about your legal judgment.

However, lawyers can talk to people who say they are good in Korea. But Korea has created a system. If the judiciary judges the conversations of those who say they are good at various things, isn't it the Korean system that follows regardless of the ruling and opposition parties? I'm not keeping up with it right now. The public must be embarrassed to think that there is nothing to say in the foreign media.

[Anchor]
It seems like a kind of off-the-shelf public opinion battle for peaceful martial law in the lawyers of the president of Yoon Suk Yeol. Will it be effective?

[Lee Jong-geun]
It seems that he told the foreign press that he would fight in some way at the Constitutional Court. You criticized me a lot that I didn't achieve my goal. If you look at the context of the purpose, it's this. Don't you say it was to alert the people? Therefore, he declared martial law as an act of governance within his authority, and the reason for declaring martial law was that we were usually indifferent to it despite various suspicions related to the overthrow of pro-North Korean forces and subsequent fraudulent elections. Whether I agree or disagree, that's the context of yesterday. So it's expressed as thinking about the fact that the goal has not been achieved properly. That point seems to have been the basis for advocating these two things: when I was investigated by the Constitutional Court or an investigative agency such as the police, I was a governing act and the purpose was this.

[Anchor]
I see. Let's stop here. So far, we have been with Lee Jong-geun, a current affairs critic, and Seo Yong-ju, the director of the Political and Social Research Institute. Thank you.