[Politics ON] President Yoon - Han Dong-hoon will meet alone after the by-elections? "It's not decided"

■ Host: Youngsoo Kim anchor
■ Starring: Park Yong-chan, chairman of the party's cooperation committee, Seo Yong-joo, former full-time deputy spokesperson of the Democratic Party of Korea

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[Anchor]
Let's start with politics that looks at the outside and the inside of politics. Today, we will analyze the power of the people Yeongdeungpo with Park Yong-chan, chairman of the party's cooperation committee, and Seo Yong-joo, former vice spokesperson of the Democratic Party of Korea. Please come in. How are you? Let's look at the keyword right away. Please show us the first keyword. This is CEO Han Dong-hoon. I said it was from the public's perspective. President Yoon Suk Yeol and Representative Han Dong-hoon. It is known that they were supposed to meet alone after the by-elections, but after the news of the solo meeting broke, reporters asked a representative a question about Kim, and he answered like this. I'll listen to it myself.

President Yoon Suk Yeol and representative Han Dong-hoon originally proposed a private meeting. But there was no answer, but now the president's actual report came out. First of all, there are only reports that we will meet after the by-elections on October 16th, do you think a solo meeting will take place?

[Park Yongchan]
The private meeting will probably take place. However, in terms of when to do it and what kind of agenda to make, working-level negotiations will have to be conducted on both sides. And the results of the October 16 by-elections are very important. Depending on whether the result is good or bad, which direction is the one-on-one meeting between President Yoon Suk Yeol and Representative Han Dong-hoon? That's what we're paying attention to. Didn't the president's office announce its de facto position that it would hold a private meeting? This time, the president's office, not representative Han Dong-hoon, mentioned the solitary confinement, so we should pay attention to that. In the end, from the perspective of the presidential office, it is no longer possible to lead the political situation in this state, which is too much. I think that's how I judged it.

[Anchor]
If so, it seems that the position of the president's office a week ago and the position now have changed a lot.

[Park Yongchan]
That's right. That's very important. Didn't the opposition take out the permanent special prosecutor card now? In the meantime, following the Kim Dae-nam incident, the Myung Tae-kyun scandal occurred. In this situation, he decided that he could not postpone his solo meeting with CEO Han Dong-hoon. [Anchor] What do you think, Deputy Spokesperson Seo Yong-joo?

[Applicant owner]
First of all, it is the president's office that is in a bad situation. Until then, CEO Han Dong-hoon was in a pitiful situation.

[Anchor]
Do you think that's changed now?

[Applicant note]
changed. I think it's a turnaround.

[Anchor]
What kind of incident do you think changed?

[Applicant owner]
The reason for the incident was that four out of 108 people were separated from the Special Counsel Act of Mrs. Kim Gun-hee. Because we called floor leader Choo Kyung-ho separately and cracked down on votes by shouting all but representative Han Dong-hoon, but in the end, there were four votes away. Then, representative Han Dong-hoon had a dinner with 20 badges in the party after that, and then another meeting with 60 to 70 outside chairmen. So the overall movements, the message added to it. Follow me when you do with badges, follow me. When I spoke to the second chairman of the outside committee, it is time for us to act. If you look at these messages, you read that the prelude to a counterattack has begun. And in addition to that, as I said, the pro-yoon group did something inappropriate through Kim Dae-nam's case. A favorable situation for Han Dong-hoon, the head of the public opinion. Next, the whole nation is watching Myung Tae-kyun, and after all, he is showing off his close friendship with many influential politicians in the party, using his close friendship with First Lady Kim Gun-hee and the president. This is almost a level that is being played into state affairs. In this respect, CEO Han Dong-hoon cannot miss this opportunity.

[Anchor]
If a solo meeting is held, there have been many rumors that one of the reasons why it has been difficult to hold a solo meeting was that there was a problem with Mrs. Kim. But today, on the issue of Mrs. Kim, CEO Han Dong-hoon said that he sympathized with his self-restraint, that he should refrain, and that he should refrain. Then, wouldn't this issue be clearly discussed?

[Park Yongchan]
Of course, it's going to be discussed. Han Dong-hoon's remarks today have no other way than a head-on breakthrough. And if you look at the writing mentioned by CEO Han Dong-hoon, you need to understand the public's perspective and the public.

[Anchor]
The prosecution is now facing a decision on whether to indict him in connection with the Deutsche Motors case.

[Park Yongchan]
So, especially in relation to the Deutsche stock price manipulation case, isn't there such a prospect and analysis that it should be prosecuted within a close group? So, you shouldn't leave it in this state anymore. More important than the conflict between the party and the government, the task of persuading the people is even more important. Especially now, the election is a week away, and by-elections are just around the corner, right? In this situation, even in order not to produce unexpected results in the election, we now have to choose a head-on breakthrough that meets the public's eye level.

[Anchor]
But CEO Han Dong-hoon expressed that he had never been contacted directly. What's the reason?

[Park Yongchan]
So, the presidential office's announcement of its position through the morning newspaper today is now a kind of message to representative Han Dong-hoon. However, as you pointed out now, there were some problems with the way of communication.

[Anchor]
So you said there was no specific decision?

[Park Yongchan]
That's right. I haven't heard of it myself. And isn't the president on an overseas trip? Therefore, the way, form, and date of the meeting have not been decided, so the presidential office has not been decided yet. That's the only way to say it.

[Anchor]
If so, if this issue is discussed during a solo meeting with Kim Gun-hee, President Yoon Suk Yeol should answer if representative Han Dong-hoon presented this issue.

[Applicant owner]
It depends on whether the answer is to have a private meeting or not. So, if you really want to have a private meeting, half of them seem to have expressed their position that I will answer Kim Gun-hee's problem in my own way. But if you look at this, CEO Han Dong-hoon requested a private theater twice, but it's all crushed. If you look at it then, you will have an interview with the Chosun Ilbo before the solo meeting. And then I melt a similar message into the interview. But now, the situation is that public opinion in Yoon Suk Yeol is not good right now. I started sending messages myself because I was in a dead end. Mrs. Kim Gun-hee's message is strong. For example, all you have to do is keep your presidential campaign promise. At that time, he said he would do a quiet internal investigation, so refrain from activities. Second, the prosecution should produce convincing results at the public's level on the Deutsche Motors stock price manipulation case.

[Anchor]
What do you think is a convincing result?

[Seoyongju]
Prosecution. Anyone can see that the stock price manipulation parts have been used so far, but isn't all the evidence coming out through reports? Then, this does not meet the public's expectations if they are not prosecuted. I was talking about prosecuting him. It's a very strong word. So I threw this part, so if the president feels bad, I can cancel it again.

[Anchor]
If so, there is still a possibility that it will not happen?

[Applicant owner]
As I've always said, I'll definitely meet President Yoon Suk Yeol if he's a president who distinguishes public corporations, but emotionally, what is this? This makes me feel bad again. In this case, I believe that the private meeting can be canceled for other reasons.

[Anchor]
Do you think there's a possibility that a private meeting won't take place?

[Park Yongchan]
I get almost 95% of the time in my own room. That's how I see it. The president and the president's office will not be able to escape from the 20% approval rating without making a new breakthrough now, and it will be difficult for them to handle the impeachment movement pushed by the Democratic Party.

[Anchor]
Shall we look at the poll that came out today? Please show me the poll. Today's poll, NBS poll. The president's evaluation of state administration was 24%, the lowest in this survey. It's down to 24%. However, Rep. Kwon Sung-dong, a pro-Yoon-gye, announced Han Dong-hoon in a radio interview today. I said it to the effect of asking if it would be desirable to talk about Mrs. Kim's problem in such a public manner. How do you see it?

[Park Yongchan]
Representative Kwon Sung-dong can criticize representative Han Dong-hoon from that perspective. But now, beyond the level of conflict between the party and the government, there are widespread public suspicions that are being suspected by the public. Therefore, as representative Han Dong-hoon mentioned, such alternatives and solutions are needed to convince the people, which are at the level of the people.

[Anchor]
Park Yong-chan, can you show us your party support? These days, if you look at the party support and the NBS party support that came out today, the Democratic Party of Korea 28 and the People's Power 27 came out. In the NBS survey, the power of the people was 28 in the last survey. The Democratic Party was 26. How do you view party support?

[Park Yongchan]
Isn't it the first time that the investigation has turned around? The direction of public opinion is now completely changing the course. Therefore, if you look at that trend, there is a possibility that President Yoon's approval rating or the public's approval rating will fall further in the future. So I think this is a very important turning point.

[Anchor]
Commissioner Park Yong-chan said that there is a high possibility of success, more than 95%.

[Applicant owner]
If it's normal, it's 100%. We have to meet. For example, when the risk of Myung Tae-kyun and Kim Gun-hee increased without meeting CEO Han Dong-hoon, four people left this time when the independent counsel went again and re-decided, but there is no guarantee that more than four or eight people will not come out. Then it's all a catastrophe. That's why, in the end, it's right to meet in normal state administration and risk management, but I'm telling you because I'm the president of Yoon Suk Yeol.

[Anchor]
Recently, various polls have shown that President Yoon's approval rating is low. Wouldn't it have a big impact?

[Applicant owner]
Because they don't look at the electronic display. That's what you were supposed to do. He says he doesn't look at the electronic display and goes his way, but I'm looking at the 20% level of support for state affairs, and we're down 1% every day, and that's what I'm telling you. There is neither F+ nor F- in F. It's just an F. However, there is no reason to evaluate with an F, but the president is not looking at it, so he is evaluating it.

[Anchor]
Is the president not looking at the polls?

[Park Yongchan]
That's our director Seo Yong-joo's personal opinion, and why wouldn't you look at it? How can we not look at the polls from the standpoint of being in charge of state affairs comprehensively? However, I think it is a situation that comprehensively considers one's own beliefs, what one thinks is right, public opinion, the party's position, and various things.

[Anchor]
I see. Let's move on to the next keyword. Please show us the next keyword. You have to arrest him. Kim Jae-won, the supreme council member of the People's Power, said that. This is a comment about Myung Tae-kyun. Kim Jae-won, the supreme council member of the People's Power, appeared on a radio broadcast and said that the prosecution should quickly arrest Myung. We will listen to the story of Supreme Council member Kim and floor leader Park Chan-dae.

Myung Tae-kyun is doing interviews with many media outlets. And he's posting on his Facebook page. By the way, what kind of person is this Myung Taekyun? Have you ever met him?

[Park Yongchan]
I personally don't know him at all. He was born in 1970 and is known to have been a student in Gyeongsangnam-do. After graduating from college, I had a telecommunications business and then came to Seoul and worked at a polling company. That's what I know.

[Anchor]
Supreme Council member Kim Jae-won says, "Never heard of it, a charlatan, and a crook," but if you look at Myung Tae-kyun's claims, he claims that he knows well about President Yoon and his wife, and that he knows a lot of influential politicians and ruling party politicians.

[Park Yongchan]
So, according to an analysis of a lawmaker in Gyeongnam, he is a strange rural guy who newly analyzes politics from a unique perspective, and that's how he analyzes it. I am an expert on election strategy.

But what we should pay attention to is that Lee Myung-tae-kyun constantly tried to contact influential politicians in the power of the people and succeeded in that contact. So, President Yoon Suk Yeol, First Lady Kim Gun-hee, Representative Lee Joon-seok, Former Chairman Kim Jong-in, Mayor Oh Se-hoon, Minister Won Hee-ryong, and Former Representative Na Kyung-won. Then, what is Myung Tae-kyun's weapon? I can't help but wonder about that part. When Myung Tae-kyun approaches influential politicians using public opinion polls as a weapon, for example, on May 9, 2021, Lee Joon-seok will meet Myung Tae-kyun for the first time with the introduction of former lawmaker Kim Young-sun. And on May 16, a week later, is the Korea Social Research Institute, where Myung Tae-kyun actually runs a poll on the suitability of the People's Power Party representative? We will conduct a poll and announce it at the request of the Future Korea Research Institute. And in that poll, former CEO Lee Joon-seok will rank first. So, in this way, we've been working as so-called election strategy experts who use public opinion polls to approach politicians, and that's how it's known.

[Anchor]
Let me take a moment to explain to the president's office. The presidential office's explanation was first seen in early July when a high-ranking official of People's Power who visited his home brought him with him. After a while, the president's office said that a politician from the People's Power who also visited his home brought Myung and that the second meeting took place, but Lee Joon-seok said it was a lie.

[Park Yongchan]
I believe that the position of the presidential office is different from the truth. I don't know if it's a lie or not.

[Anchor]
In what way do you think it's different from the truth?

[Park Yongchan]
According to what I covered, on June 28, 2021, a few days before CEO Lee Joon-seok, President Yoon, and Myung Tae-kyun met, Myung Tae-kyun talked to CEO Kim Jong-in on the phone and exchanged Kim Gun-hee.

[Anchor]
I think what former chairman Kim Jong-in said in an interview with the Dong-A Ilbo today.

[Park Yong-chan]
is correct. So, Myung Tae-kyun and Kim Gun-hee were together, and Kim Gun-hee asked Kim Jong-in, former chairman of the committee, to help candidate Yoon Suk Yeol, and a week later, on July 4, former chairman Kim Jong-in went to meet the candidate at the time of the Yoon Suk Yeol, and Kim Gun-hee and Myung Tae-kyun were there. That's what I mentioned. Therefore, in light of this, Representative Lee Joon-seok did not introduce Myung Tae-kyun to President Yoon Suk Yeol, that can be seen.

[Anchor]
Deputy Spokesperson Seo Yong-joo said, "Isn't Myung Tae-kyun making various remarks? What do you think of the truth?

[Applicant owner]
So, I believe that you're playing with Myung Taekyun's story right now. So, I can't deny that I was familiar with the President and his wife with the core facts of Myung Tae-kyun. In particular, some of them have been released, saying that they have various Telegram texts with First Lady Kim Gun-hee. In the 2022 by-elections, there are parts that made calls to former lawmaker Kim Young-sun's nomination and became a reality. Then, it seems that it has something to do with the leading politicians within the power of the various people listed. So, I'm just saying that I've met a few times, that I'm not that close, but there's nothing that I don't know at all.

So in these areas, regardless of who introduced them or how many times they met, the important thing is what Myung Tae-kyun did with these people, influential politicians, and the president's couple, and we should pay attention to this, but I feel like the media is digging in and narrowing down the situation to be investigated, so I keep dispersing it. Since we know who we know, we've already met several times, and this is a lie, and this is how we check the facts. I don't think it's meaningful. The important thing is whether Myung Tae-kyun pursued his private interests through powerful people and influential politicians, whether he was involved in party politics and the nomination process, and whether the presidential couple and influential politicians gave him strength. If Kim Jae-won says that what's frustrating about the best is that he's a charlatan and he's a no-brainer, is it that much that these people and politicians who are powerful in the people were close to each other?

[Anchor]
Daegu Mayor Hong Joon Pyo posted a message on Facebook about it, and Myung Tae-kyun once complained that he didn't acknowledge it. And he judged that he was the one in question, and he knew that he would work as an election broker someday. The prosecution said that the investigation should be conducted as soon as possible without sanctuary. I think the mayor of Hong Joon Pyo knows what kind of person he is. But I think I had a sense of alertness.

[Park Yongchan]
There are sharp differences in likes and dislikes of Lee Myung-tae-kyun. That's how it's mixed. As Director Seo Yong-joo said, the investigation into Myung Tae-kyun is currently underway in two branches. First, the Changwon District Prosecutors' Office is investigating. Myung Tae-kyun is investigating allegations that he received 90 million won from former lawmaker Kim Young-sun on charges of violating the Political Fund Act. The Changwon District Prosecutors' Office is investigating the allegation that Kim Young-sun delivered half and 50% of his salary to Myung Tae-kyun every month. Another investigation is being conducted by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit 4 on the same charges of the Political Fund Act, and the charges are the allegations of providing public opinion polls against President Yoon Suk Yeol. Therefore, I think that Myung Tae-kyun's suspicion of providing a poll, this part may become a big detonator later.

[Anchor]
Some point out that the presidential office should respond more actively.

[Park Yongchan]
That's what I'm looking at. This part is beyond what you can hide now by hiding it. So, we have to investigate and get to the bottom of it as it is, and the investigation is bound to proceed quite quickly now. The reason is Kang Hye-kyung, the accounting manager of former lawmaker Kim Young-sun. This person appeared on YouTube and said that Kim Young-sun's nomination was a poll master. Therefore, the suspicion of providing public opinion polls by Myung Tae-kyun, which the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has begun to investigate, is inevitable.

[Anchor]
Now that Myung Tae-kyun's remarks and interviews continue to come out, politicians of the people's power continue to explain. First of all, Representative Ahn Cheol Soo is saying that although he knows pollack, he doesn't know pollack. However, Myung Tae-kyun claims that he played a role in unification. Kim Jong-in, former chairman of the emergency committee, said this. Yoon and his wife are saying that they already knew Myung Tae-kyun, and in particular, CEO Lee Joon-seok claims that he lied about the claim that he introduced Myung Tae-kyun, and he also talked about Daegu Mayor Hong Joon Pyo earlier. When members of the People's Power give explanations, Myung Tae-kyun refutes them.

[Applicant owner]
So let's take a very common sense approach. Would you put someone with no political gain next to a politician? It's very likely that Myung Tae-kyun was a person who gave them a very political advantage at some point. But why are you spinning a bomb now? You take it, it's this, I don't know. In the end, looking at the facts that Myung Tae-kyun is revealed now, it seems inappropriate to the public, so if it is related, the image will be cut. That's why I'm doing a bomb spin on that part, but what surprised me was that if the prosecution is caught by the president because he did something wrong, he can step down and impeach him in a month. Catch me if you're confident. Can you do this even if you play with the prosecution jurisdiction of the Republic of Korea?

[Anchor]
The next day I said it was a joke.

[Applicant owner]
But this is more of a joke. I'll tell the president that you're all down on this whole system of conducting the state of the president. No matter how much a charlatan he is, if he leaves it alone, he sees it as something that is curved or gagging.

[Park Yongchan]
Personally, I think it's a really big problem in the Korean politics that is being swayed by Lee Myung-tae-kyun. I think it's disastrous. Didn't Professor Ho Sung-deuk of Kyonggi University mention it? The closest people to Myung Tae-kyun are former chairman Kim Jong-in and lawmaker Lee Joon-seok. Professor Ho Sung-deuk himself was introduced to Myung Tae-kyun, and he said that the person who introduced him was Lee Jun-seok. And former lawmaker Yoo Seung Min also mentioned that Myung Tae-kyun has a special relationship with Kim Jong-in and Lee Joon-seok. So on January 29th of this year, Rep. Lee Joon-seok, who was in Seoul, received a phone call from Myung Tae-kyun and went to Chilbulsa Temple in Jirisan at that late night, right? Didn't lawmaker Lee Joon-seok discuss the nomination of proportional representation No. 1 with Myung Tae-kyun and former lawmaker Kim Young-sun at the Chilbulsa Temple? It was a very inappropriate and abnormal nomination discussion process.

[Anchor]
The ruling party is now calling for a quick prosecution investigation. I see. Let's move on to the next issue. By-election, just a week away, early voting begins for two days from tomorrow. There's Busan. I'm honored in Jeollanam-do. There's a crooked sound. There is also the election of the superintendent of education in Seoul. There's also strengthening. What are your biggest areas of interest?

[Park Yongchan]
From our party's point of view, the election for the head of Busan Geumjeong-gu is a pressing matter of interest. For the Democratic Party, it would be an honor for Jeollanam-do. In the case of Yeonggwang, Jeollanam-do, the Democratic Party led in the beginning, but the Cho Kuk Innovation Party showed a scary upward trend. However, in recent years, the progressive party candidate has made considerable strides, and such analysis and prospects are emerging. In the case of Busan Geumjeong-gu District Office's election, the rise has been noticeable since the Cho Kuk Innovation Party and the Democratic Party unified. So, CEO Han Dong-hoon and the Korean People's Power leadership visit Geumjeong-gu, Busan four times and hold a Supreme Council meeting at the site. [Anchor] Do you think CEO Han Dong-hoon and CEO Lee Jae-myung will be affected by the results of the by-elections?

[Park Yongchan]
It's a small election, but it's never a small election. The meaning is quite an election. From Han Dong-hoon's point of view, it's the first political test since he became the party leader, and then how about Lee Jae-myung of the Democratic Party? Aren't you in a very embarrassed position because of judicial risks? Here, if you lose in glory, you will also have to bear political risks. I'm worried about whether I can survive.

[Anchor]
CEO Lee Jae-myung went down to Gokseong right now, right? Wailing, Glory. The Glory Election must be getting very important right now.

[Applicant owner]
The Glory election complicated the functional relationship. As the Progressive Party enters, it is fiercely competing with the Progressive Party, the Democratic Party, and the Cho Kuk Innovation Party. So, although it is said that we need to open the lid to know about the election, it seems that Lee Jae-myung is doing his best because the Democratic Party is not alone in leading. CEO Han Dong-hoon himself said, "Busan Geumjeong is the most important person in this election, and he will be the barometer of evaluation." Geumjeong is a garden. Nevertheless, the current Yoon Suk Yeol government's low approval rating for state affairs, and public opinion is not very good. In such a situation, he said he would try to penetrate it with the party leader's personal skills, but for me, even if Han Dong-hoon has some responsibility as the party leader, it is an evaluation of the Yoon Suk Yeol government. So I think I decided that doing my best can eventually escape my responsibility.

[Anchor]
I see. It will also have a significant impact on the leadership of the two representatives. I see. Let's stop here. So far, Park Yong-chan, chairman of the party's cooperation committee, and Seo Yong-joo, former vice spokesperson of the Democratic Party of Korea, has participated in Yeongdeungpo, the People's Power. Thank you very much. Thank you.