"Mrs. Kim, do you feel sorry for Heo Eun-ah?" "It's more absurd and terrible than surprising".

[News FM Lee Ik-seon Choi Soo-young Issue & People]

□ Broadcast date and time: October 30, 2024 (Wednesday)
□ Host: Lee Ik-seon, Choi Soo-young
□ Performers: Kim Young-woo, former member of the People's Power, Park Joo-min, member of the Democratic Party of Korea

* The text below may differ from the actual broadcast content, so please check the broadcast for more accurate information.

Park Joo-min)
"與 'Special Counsel' is a preventive measure, and the 野 'Special Prosecutor' is finding out the truth about past wrongdoings..."The subject of investigation is also different."
"Exclusion of the right to recommend the ruling party by Mrs. Kim's special prosecutor? Special Prosecutor Choi Soon-sil also ruled that the Constitutional Court is not unconstitutional"Need to be independent"
"Recommended director of North Korean Human Rights Foundation? Minju, it was possible."

Kim Young-woo)
" Mrs. Kim, how about feeling sorry for Heo Eun-ah? Rather than being surprised, it is absurd and disastrous"
"Exclusion of the 與 recommendation 'Suspended Special Prosecutor'", Are you an opposition party member"
" Installation of the second annex, and there is no impression.."The focus is on personnel reform in the presidential office rather than Cabinet reshuffle."

◆ Choi Soo-young: Transcripts related to Kim are reported by various media outlets every day, and yesterday, Kim spoke with Heo Eun-ah, the leader of the New Reform Party, on the phone in July and expressed her feelings. Of course, it was said that it was meant to console CEO Huh, who was injured, but there were many long calls, do you think the disappointment was conveyed so much?

★ Kim Young-woo: I was a bit puzzled rather than surprised at the news for the first time. In fact, I know that I have anguish and it's difficult and difficult, but the president also said it, but it's inappropriate to talk to the opposition leader for an hour, talk to other YouTubers for a long time, message, and social media. I don't understand that. Regardless of whether you complained or what you did, the first lady talked to the opposition leader on the phone and talked about what Han Dong-hoon was representing, and everything is politically explosive. This is not just a conversation with high school middle school friends, but with the opposition leader, this is what happens now. I think that's why I couldn't distinguish between what I really need to take care of and what I don't. So I'm very sad. To be honest, I'm puzzled.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: Pro-Yoon-gye is also increasingly calling for a solution to the Kim issue to secure the president's state-run power, which is about to turn the halfway point of his term in office. Right now, floor leader Choo Kyung-ho of the People's Power will hold a private meeting with senior members of the People's Power. It is known that solutions to the Kim problem will also be discussed at this meeting, have you heard anything?

★ Kim Young-woo: I didn't hear anything in particular. CEO Han Dong-hoon also talked about the overall atmosphere, but since the inauguration of the Yoon Suk Yeol government, various foreign relations and energy issues that have been messed up by the Moon Jae In government have been well established and put on track. You can't even notice the results you made. Because of various problems, Mrs. Kim Gun-hee. So it must be frustrating for senior lawmakers and pro-Yoon-gye lawmakers. I think that's why we're gathering, but we need to quickly come up with an answer. We should no longer go abstractly here, we should not go to the theory of public opinion, and we should focus on where the public sentiment is and do what we can quickly. We don't have much time right now.

◆ Choi Soo-young: But while the ruling party is now at odds over the recommendation of a special inspector, opinions are raised, and pro-Yoon-gye is calling for a solution to the problem, do you think the Democratic Party of Korea is not very interested in the special inspector? And the special inspection should be done. In fact, isn't it too much to revise the National Assembly rules to push for a permanent special prosecution excluding the ruling party?

☆ Park Ju-min: As you know, the special inspector is not a system that finds out the truth about past mistakes and punishes them if there is anything to punish. It's a precautionary measure for what's to come. It's a different dimension. It's different from the special prosecutor we've been discussing so far and in a very different direction, so if we're going to do a special prosecutor, we'll cooperate. However, this cannot replace or correspond to the special prosecutor that we have been working on so far and that the president has continued to reject. This is the exact position.

◆ Choi Soo-young: No, but even so, the ruling and opposition parties should have a balanced right to recommend Kim's independent counsel law and choose it later, but the ruling party can't receive it if the opposition party wants to have it all. And in that respect, there is another saying that the revision of the National Assembly rules has violated neutrality.

☆ Park Ju-min: First of all, if you look at it so far, there has been a case in which the ruling party's right to recommend was excluded from the special prosecution conducted by the president or the president's family when something was suspected. As you all know, Jeong Yu-ra, the daughter of Choi Soon-sil, who was the subject of the investigation at the time, raised the issue to the Constitutional Court that excluding the ruling party's right to recommend is against the principle of due process, but she said there was nothing wrong with the Constitutional Court. So it's not logical to say that this is unconstitutional, and despite the fact that the Ministry of Justice keeps doing this despite the Constitutional Court's decision, I've made comments a few times, but it's not. And as you know, the core of this special prosecutor is that someone independent of the president's power conducts the investigation. Because the president and the president's spouse are the parties to the allegations, but if the president decides who will investigate the president and the president's spouse. Or the party to which the president belongs will decide. This isn't right. Isn't it so? There is no such system in the world. So I hope you understand that aspect in this part. It has already been determined that it is not unconstitutional, and in particular, the key target of the suspicion is the spouse of the president or the president. So, it means that we should be thoroughly independent from them.

★ Kim Young-woo: Still, we are making a permanent independent counsel law now, but the National Assembly rules are what the ruling and opposition parties have to agree on in any situation. If the opposition party does so at will, the opposition party will be able to operate a permanent special prosecutor if it decides. Then you can topple the government, and in any administration, the permanent special prosecutor becomes a complete opposition employee. I think it's on duty. It's not an independent counsel. So the Democratic Party took that number too far and made the National Assembly rules too arbitrary. And on the ruling party, on the ruling party. In addition, even if the special prosecution is conducted on the president's side, there have been times in the past that the ruling party did not recommend it. Well, that's right. But even that is possible when the ruling and opposition parties agree. If you make it a law or a National Assembly rule, the opposition party is a great system to scratch the ruling party from the beginning of the administration. That's really the case. So it's the Democrats' fault.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: But the Democratic Party of Korea has no plans to appoint a director of the North Korean Human Rights Foundation?

☆ Park Ju Min: No. During the 21st National Assembly. Wasn't I the last floor leader? So we also negotiated from the standpoint of being possible. However, the discussion did not proceed any further with the election and the 22nd generation was passed, so I am not currently in the leadership, so I don't know the leadership's position, but the special inspection team, the director of the North Korean Human Rights Foundation, and so on were all possible. At least when I was the leadership.

◆ Choi Soo-young: But I'd like to ask you one thing, lawmaker Park. Then, the permanent special prosecutor also clearly expressed his intention to go because he revised the rules of the National Assembly. Then, the special prosecutor who enacted the so-called legislation related to Mrs. Kim is also doing it. That means you're going to press on a two-track track. Is this just for pressure? Or are you saying that you're going to do both of them?

☆ Park Ju-min: So, for now, the subject of the investigation is divided. So it's a little different if you say that you used two different methods with the same thing. There is one because the targets of the investigation are different, and the second one is that some of the various suspicions that are currently rising and nearly 70% of the people said this should be revealed through an independent counsel. So it would be nice to do both, but it could be a little different through negotiations or persuasion.

◆ Choi Soo-young: So he has all the pressure negotiating power.

☆ Park Ju-min: Wouldn't it have various political implications? I think that's what you're going to do.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: There are continuous exclusive reports on Myung Tae-kyun's transcript every day, but we don't know how many days this has been.

☆ Park Ju-min: The new thing that popped again today...

◇ Lee Ik-seon: It has been confirmed that Myung Tae-kyun ordered an unpublished poll of the Seoul mayor, saying Kim is curious two days before the national simultaneous local elections on June 1, 2022. How do you think we should reveal the parts that are continuously exploding, where do you end it, and how do you think we should solve it?

★ Kim Young-woo: But Myung Tae-kyun sold Kim Gun-hee too much and now everything Kim Gun-hee does is to get Kim Gun-hee elected as president, but political funds and manipulation of public opinion are clearly subject to investigation. My theory is that illegality and illegality should be revealed, and that the National Assembly should pass a bill to prevent it. Just with the suspicion that she was involved in the nomination or something like that, for example, Kim Gun-hee will go on a search and seizure. That's not it. Because there have been so many cases where all the nominations have been influenced like this through someone. But it's hard to judge the illegality and illegality of the nomination. Legally. Because in the end, the nomination committee will hold a meeting and stamp it at the top, and the nomination will be decided. However, in order to reveal whether the nomination so far is illegal or illegal, all the commissioners, the chairman of the delegation, and the general secretary of the party's leadership must be seized and searched, and the people's power must be seized and searched. That's impossible. Whether it's the ruling party or the opposition party, they've never entered into an investigation regarding the nomination. Investigation has been conducted on nomination funds, money flows, and such things as quid pro quo. So even with this, the opposition parties must go to the special prosecution. Everyone is always like that, but I don't think that's right. That's paralysing of state affairs. When the administration is over, do an independent investigation. The opposition party. But in the current situation, it's not easy.

◆ Choi Soo-young: Yes, Senator Park. But the Democratic Party of Korea has designated Kang Hye-kyung as a public interest reporter because there are a lot of recordings like this.

☆ Park Ju-min: So, as you know, is it a law on the protection of public interest reporters? I don't know the exact name of the law, but there are political parties or lawmakers who can file a public interest report. So if you do it there, you will be protected to some extent according to the law. As far as I know, that's what I know. You might be mistaken, but I think it's right.

◆ Choi Soo-young: But I heard that Kim Tae-yeol is also doing it.

☆ Park Ju-min: I'm not sure about that. However, if there is any money or quid pro quo that lawmaker Kim said earlier, it will be subject to investigation, but it will be difficult to investigate even if it is not. She said this.

★ Kim Young-woo: It's hard to reveal the truth.

☆ Park Ju-min: However, it is the money that is being pointed out as a key suspicion in Myung Tae-kyun's transcript. So I did 23 polls for free and the cost is about over 300 million as far as I know. In return, it brought the nomination of Kim Young-sun, a former member of the National Assembly. This is what happened, and as far as I know today, the transcript was given as a gift and in return, Mrs. Kim gave it to me. Isn't this the transcript coming out? So this is money and this is a violation of the Political Fund Act, isn't it?

★ Kim Young-woo: That's done at the Changwon District Prosecutors' Office. There are people who paid for it, and the flow of the money seems to be clear.

◆ Choi Soo-young: Yes, there was a time when I got it from the candidates.

★ Kim Young-woo: Then I got an election subsidy and gave it to them again. So it's definitely right to go into the investigation.

◇ Profitship: Yes. Representative Ahn Cheol Soo said in a radio interview today that the ruling party should pursue its own independent counsel, excluding the toxin clause. Representative Han has already proposed a special prosecution law recommended by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, so would this plan be acceptable within the ruling party?

★ Kim Young-woo: But it's good to be preemptive, but we have to change it. You have to change it. But I think we need something more preemptive at a political level first. Apologies to the public or personnel reshuffles to halt all activities. a sweeping reshuffle of personnel Such a thing is necessary, but it is a bit burdensome for the ruling party to preemptively propose an independent counsel. To be honest, the special prosecutor is activated and goes straight. Then, it becomes the special prosecutor Jungkook. So, when the investigation proceeds, the center of all media is the special prosecutor. After that, it's Kim Gun-hee's seizure search, it's a photo line, and it's a prosecution investigation subpoena, but compared to that, I'm a little worried about whether anything substantive can come out. From the standpoint of politics in reality, it seems necessary to take political measures that can be done politically and preemptively. I think the special prosecutor will be a little later.

◆ Choi Soo-young: If so, the ruling party's proposal without this toxin clause will come out. Do you accept the Democratic Party?

☆ Park Ju-min: No, so I think we can discuss it if we make a bet.

◆ Choi Soo-young: We can discuss it.

☆ Park Ju-min: I feel like the ruling party has changed a bit. What I'm saying is that some of the ruling party lawmakers have a space where they can move if the Democratic Party negotiates a little. I feel like I'm going to move again. However, it seems that the special prosecutor's office has suddenly entered the market these days. So I wonder if there's this trend. It's not an issue change, it's not an issue change. The public is not very interested in the special inspector. It's still a special prosecutor, but internally, maybe there's a slight change in the atmosphere from the close circles. Don't overdo it and let's just do this much. Of course, if I can't do this, I think I can do the next step, but I feel like the mood has changed.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: Representative Han Dong-hoon held a press conference in the morning to mark his 100th day in office. He said it would be difficult to pursue reforms if people's concerns and disappointments were not resolved, adding that solutions to the public's concerns should be presented within November. How did you like it? You two

★ Kim Young-woo: That's right. You're right. Now, the opposition party is determined to use it as a stepping stone through independent counsel Kim Gun-hee and go to impeachment of the president of Yoon Suk Yeol. That's why we're supposed to hold an outdoor rally every two weeks. Our party is the party that collapsed during the outdoor rally. So be careful. The Democratic Party is also really tired if they do it regularly. And in my view, what CEO Han Dong-hoon argues is that we need to change. With that, I actually won the election for the head of Geumjeong-gu. These voters and the people are calling for change. That's why it's right to do that, and you have to put your energy on it and change quickly. If we don't do that, I think we're all going to die together.

◆ Choi Soo-young: If you look at the press conference of Representative Park Han Dong-hoon today, you should emphasize change and reform, and we talk about horizontal relations between the government and the government, but also unity and harmony.

☆ Park Ju-min: I think the airflow is a little different, and the water is a little mixed with cold water and hot water. But I think there are a lot of discussions and discussions internally as well. But while there are still people who have to go harder, I think there's a flow of saying this, but I think it'll be a bit more judgmental if we look at the trends in early and mid-November. Because we have to look at the reaction and atmosphere of the presidential office. But one thing I want to correct or refute is that I get criticized a lot when I don't work and hold outdoor meetings. If you work hard during the week and go out on weekends to gather, you can hear 'you're working hard'.

★ Kim Young-woo: No, but that's the difference between civic groups and political parties. Civic groups can continue to protest outside with candles, but that's not a good job for lawmakers to do that.

☆ Park Ju-min: No, so I think you're talking about that time because Hwang Kyo-ahn held a lot of outdoor meetings in the past. At that time, I almost canceled all the meetings. So we told them to work and come in, but we work hard during the week and we go out and have a rally on the weekend as a bonus.

◆ Choi Soo-young: But I don't think the people acknowledge that they work hard.

★ Kim Young-woo: I just screamed because I saw the parliamentary audit like this. There are not many lawmakers who objectively give evidence.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: Let me ask you one last question briefly. It's the halfway point of President Yoon's term on the 10th of next month. According to the report by the presidential office officials, the government is considering setting up a second office or renovating personnel, including a reshuffle, instead of cleaning up the women's line, will it help to settle public sentiment?

★ Kim Young-woo: You shouldn't have that much. I don't think there will be much emotion or emotion in the second part. And that's what we need. Perhaps the focus should be on personnel reform in Yongsan's presidential office rather than a cabinet reshuffle. I think that's the start of the renovation now.

◆ Choi Soo-young: Have you heard about the replacement of the chief of staff to Representative Kim?

★ Kim Young-woo: I've never heard of it. Who will tell me?

◇ Lee Ik-seon: Will this help to calm public sentiment? Representative Park.

☆ Park Ju-min: So, actually, we've been talking about this for a long time, but we haven't been doing it, so I don't think there's any effect that we can see with this right now. In fact, reshuffling has been talked about for a long time. Minister of Public Administration and Security Lee Sang-min and Minister of Health and Welfare Cho Kyu-hong came too late, so I don't think it will be very effective because I'm doing it now. Rather, you have to look for some other aspects.

◇ Lee Ik-sun: Today, I was with two of my friends who talked to the political party, Rep. Park Joo-min of the Democratic Party of Korea, and Rep. Kim Young-woo of the former People's Power. Thank you for coming out.

◆ Choi Soo-young: Thank you very much.