[News NIGHT] Han Donghoon, who celebrated his 100th day in office...Lee Jae-myung Urges 'Representational Talks'

■ Host: anchor Sung Moon-gyu
■ Appearance: Today, former Saenuri Party lawmaker Jung Ok-im and former Democratic Party lawmaker Shin Hyun-young

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[Anchor]
It's a focus night time to point out the news of political interest. Today, we will be joined by Chung Ok-im, a former member of the ruling Saenuri Party, and Shin Hyun-young, a former member of the Democratic Party. Hello, both of you. Representative Han Dong-hoon, who celebrated his 100th day in office today, once again emphasized "change and renewal" at a press conference. In the following question and answer, a special inspector was said to be essential. I'll listen to it first and talk to you.

[Han Dong-hoon / Representative of People's Power: It is a pity that the achievements and tasks of the reform are not being properly evaluated because they are overshadowed by the public's disappointment and concern over some situations. Paradoxically, if we address and overcome such concerns and disappointments, the reform drive will be really empowered. The special inspector must be carried out and will be. That's what I'm saying. How can we win the hearts of the people if we don't do that? You're saying you're going to be more careful in the future, aren't you? It will be carried out. ]

[Anchor]
I did not directly mention Han Dong-hoon or Mrs. Kim, but the special inspector should be carried out and will be carried out. Are you sure you're going to make it happen?

[Nice]
In fact, the Democratic Party of Korea is not a special prosecutor right now, but not a special prosecutor. It's not about solving the problem by carrying out the special inspector, but it's about revealing what happened in the past with Mrs. Kim. There's no way CEO Han Dong-hoon doesn't know that. Nevertheless, in emphasizing the special inspector now, in addition to the expectation that it can be a bank that first prevents the Democratic Party's special investigation, carrying out the special inspector within the people's power has become a yardstick of representative Han Dong-hoon's leadership and control within the party. That's why CEO Han Dong-hoon is forced to carry out the special inspector now.

[Anchor]
So, the opposition party is not very interested in what you're saying, and you won't listen to it, but you said that whether or not you carry this out within the ruling party remains like a very big homework for you.

[Hyunyoung Shin]
That's right. Conflict within the ruling party is a conflict between close friends and pro-yoon, but isn't there a disagreement about what to do with the special inspector? Therefore, a general meeting of lawmakers will be held soon, and a vote can be held whether it is open or private, but in this situation, the vote cannot be carried out. Then, Han Dong-hoon's leadership will be challenged, and division and conflict will intensify in the future. If the drive can be carried out so strongly, the leadership of Han Dong-hoon's ruling party, which won the Busan Geumjeong by 22% this time, could be strengthened. Therefore, in the current situation, CEO Han Dong-hoon is at a crossroads where he has no choice but to go strong. But I don't think today's meeting sent a stronger message than I thought. Because I insisted on strong and weak. Even though he said he would show a strong and weak conservative image to a strong person and a weak person, a strong person is now Kim Gun-hee and the presidential office with prosecution power. We will see how strongly Han Dong-hoon's words can be kept in the future with how strongly he can respond to this. Can you really go with such an angle? Didn't conservative supporters protest tremendously in front of the inauguration party today to ask Han Dong-hoon to step down? Whether we can overcome this or not. If you look at the past 100 days, the people now expect Han Dong-hoon's leadership to keep his words and act.

[Anchor]
As you said earlier, the ruling party had a special inspector and even talked about whether it would go to the general meeting of lawmakers and vote there. How do you think this should be resolved, Chung?

[Nice]
In my view, the direction that CEO Han Dong-hoon is trying to pursue is not wrong. However, it seems that the methodology is not easy, especially with pro-Yoon-gye lawmakers in the party. Then I'll change my position so I won't even get a special inspection. Then, will he receive an independent counsel? Then, if there is no special inspection and no independent counsel, what kind of judgment will the voters watching make about such a situation of people's power? In this way, there is no alternative for those who oppose Han Dong-hoon's position in the power of the people, but it is just that the conflict continues to escalate due to the division of pro-Yoon-gye and pro-Lee. Therefore, the most important thing is to hold a negotiation or reach a sudden conclusion to carry out the special inspection, although there is no expression between floor leader Choo Kyung-ho and representative Han Dong-hoon. Because the Democratic Party said it wouldn't receive a special inspection, but the Democratic Party emphasized the special inspection. Also, didn't you say that the power of the people is not an official presidential pledge as well as a special inspection? And how much criticism did you make about the absence of a special inspector during the Moon Jae In regime? So, what should be done in the power of the people is, in the end, the special inspector and the recommendation of directors of the North Korean Human Rights Foundation are linked, and there is no reason for this to be linked. Therefore, it is Han Dong-hoon's task to use this methodology and persuade the Democratic Party of Korea to emphasize and encourage the recommendation of directors of the North Korean Human Rights Foundation.

[Anchor]
In the meantime, just as opinions within the ruling party on the special inspector system were divided, the ruling party's evaluation of the 100th day of Han Dong-hoon's inauguration today was also divided. Let's listen to the close and friendly voice of Yoon-gye.

[Jang Dong-hyuk / Supreme Council Member of the People's Power (MBC Radio 'Kim Jong-bae's Attention'): Although there are difficulties under the current representative Han Dong-hoon's system, the direction of change and reform is correct in terms of trying to keep up with the public sentiment, but if you talk about the results, the evaluation may be slightly different. ]

[Kang Myung-gu / Member of the People's Power (YTN Radio 'News Fighting Bae Seung-hee'): I hope you don't go alone, but to go with me, and I strongly hope that you will move forward by sending a message of unity. History of division. We experienced it once. ]

[Anchor]
The close-knit lawmaker has difficulties, but the direction of change and reform is correct. I don't know the outcome, but I don't know the outcome. And the pro-Yoon-gye told me not to go alone, but to go together, what do you think? First, Rep. Shin?

[Hyunyoung Shin]
You're both right. While following the public sentiment of the people, it is probably the most reasonable way for conservatives to aspire to be united in the party without dividing conservatives. But will it be possible? Representative Han Dong-hoon's dilemma is whether the president's office, which ignores the public's public sentiment and says it will go as it is even if it is stoned, can actually attract them and go to integration. In the meantime, even if representative Han Dong-hoon wants to go together in various events, meetings with the president, or in various ways, it is not actually up to him. And in the end, I have no choice but to follow the public sentiment because lawmakers in the floor do not even have solid support for the party leader. And with justification and rationality, I am sending a message that I will change politics, but rather than leadership of many existing members of the People's Power, representative Han Dong-hoon, there are separate meetings of senior lawmakers now, and pro-Yoon lawmakers must be thinking about something else. At the same time, we will not be able to keep up with the public's eyes as we go on the path of integration now. You have to choose between the two. However, CEO Han Dong-hoon seems to have vaguely declared at a press conference today on the 100th that he will follow the people.

[Anchor]
Now that I hear it, the voices of the ruling party and the government are the same, including the pro-Yoon system, the presidential office, and the pro-Kyoon system. It sounds like they want to go together, but it sounds like they're telling each other to follow them, but I don't know if I can produce results in the future because I keep making mistakes with the presidential office.

[Nice]
It's because this has become such an uncommon situation. Usually, a political party that has a president has a party leader, but wouldn't the president's voice be so loud that the shadow is very deep? And the majority of those who are currently engaged in parliamentary activities on the floor are the president's influence in their nomination and election, and that part or the president's focus. Since it was launched in 2022, it is not yet until November 10th, which is two and a half years from now, the peninsula. The term of office. Under such circumstances, these people have been engaged in political activities based on the president in an inertial manner, so it will not be easy to accept or accept the leadership of a new leader, and even representative Han Dong-hoon, who is now at complete angle with the president. Nevertheless, CEO Han Dong-hoon said that nothing has been done in 100 years, but I think there is one thing. From the beginning, the party talked about Kim Ok-kyun's 100th day, saying that he would fly in less than 100 days. Anyway, we did a good job in the by-election and it's been more than 100 days, so didn't we have a press conference today anyway? That alone became a survival game, right? So this is a very natural conflict and tension, as if it were a natural phenomenon. However, those who oppose the so-called representative Han Dong-hoon of the People's Power cannot say this idle talk if they look at the domestic political environment. As CEO Han Dong-hoon said earlier, the direction may be right, but it is necessary to reflect on yourself whether you have tried to be patient with people who have different voices or call them pro-Yoon-gye or have a broad heart.

[Anchor]
I'm saying we need to show more political power. Let me change the subject a little bit. Today, Heo Eun-ah, the leader of the New Reform Party, gave a radio interview and revealed that she received a phone call from First Lady Kim Gun-hee last July. A conservative commentator said this yesterday. Mrs. Kim said she called an opposition leader and said that she was unfair, but did Heo confess that it was her? How did you feel today?

[Hyunyoung Shin]
That's right. I came out. That was me. But I don't know why it was released even though it wasn't a recent phone call at this time. I think it's a report from Yongsan, but I didn't intend to disclose it and I didn't have that will at all. In fact, if you listen to the explanation, doesn't it mean that when the party leader Huh Eun-ah was injured, a consolation call came on Telegram? Looking at that, in fact, Mrs. Kim Gun-hee has contacted many people so far, so I think she's the type to contact Jin Jung-kwon and make phone calls easily because of reporter Lee Myung-soo. The intention was to console him that he was sorry for not being able to pay his respects at the time of the injury, but it got longer as he talked, and the time is not clear, but it was about an hour. Maybe at that time, CEO Han Dong-hoon read even if First Lady Kim Gun-hee texted him, and CEO Han Dong-hoon wanted to share his feelings to someone in a situation where there was a bit of criticism. Since Heo Eun-ah has been invited to dinner together since she was a member of the People's Power Party, there seems to have been some expectation that Heo Eun-ah would be able to understand my feelings, but since Heo Eun-ah is already the leader of the opposition party of the New Reform Party, it is inappropriate to express her honest feelings. And I don't know how seriously she suggested it, but in that way, the issue of Kim's luxury bags and such things at the time could not be changed by just one phone call because the New Reform Party cannot defend it, but I think it was a light act in that sense.

[Anchor]
But actually, I've been talking and talking, but at this point yesterday, Jang Sung-chul, a critic, is a representative conservative commentator. But he said he talked on the phone last week, yesterday. But CEO Heo Eun-ah said today that the time is July 12th. So, what's important at this point was when all kinds of suspicions were pouring out last week, and when the controversy over reading and chewing broke out on the 12th, the controversy over the text of reading and chewing. So I think the issue will vary depending on the person listening at this time.

[Nice]
That's the time before the convention. So Director Jang Sung-chul heard from a person related to the presidential office that it was a few weeks ago, two weeks ago. But that's what I heard, but it turned out that CEO Heo Eun-ah was right, and it was organized that it was a call on July 12, before the People's Power National Convention. And some of the people's power argued that representative Heo Eun-ah sent a message and made a phone call first, but that is different. So the person who sent the message was the first lady, so when I answered thank you, CEO Heo Eun-ah just said that she called me. What surprised me was that. Even in a general company, when the chairman's wife or CEO's wife calls the team leader or managing director, she calls the female managing director. I think it's going to be quite embarrassing. It's a political game here. It would be quite unusual for the president to call in the political arena, but the first lady directly knew the number to the politician. I can't even imagine such a thing due to my rule of thumb, but I'm not saying I did it. However, there is a great tendency to continue to produce problems that do not need to come out because various problems related to the first lady arise when she communicates with politicians herself. So I was surprised. And this is before the national convention. Regarding why she called CEO Heo Eun-ah before the national convention and leaked it to Director Jang a few days ago, CEO Heo Eun-ah said, "Isn't this some kind of intention?" He did an interview that he suspected it like that. Then why did I do that then? at the height of the controversy over reading and chewing To interpret this in my own way, isn't there a controversial name, Myung Tae-kyun? If you look closely at the contents, there is a power struggle like a series of crowd struggles among themselves. To be honest, it's embarrassing to say it's a power struggle. It's like a dark battle between nine people. Han Dong-hoon was very close at first, but he was very nervous ahead of the results of the national convention, and even though he sent his memo, he said he would apologize, but didn't he attack again because he read and chewed? At that time, Kim's phone call to the leader of the New Reform Party, where Rep. Lee Joon-seok is located, was similar to the series of Lee Jae-yi? This is purely my personal opinion. But I even thought of that. First of all, the fact that our president's first lady calls a politician like this is not very positive for the first lady, and something undesirable has happened again given the soil of Korean politics.

[Anchor]
That's why this is organized. Now that I hear it, Director Jang Sung-chul originally talked about the recent days last week, a few weeks ago, but it was organized as July 12th, and the leader of the opposition party was Heo Eun-ah, the leader of the New Reform Party. Then why did CEO Heo Eun-ah tell anyone that she had never told anyone about this? Then who did Director Jang Sung-chul hear it from? If there was a person who talked on the phone like this, and one side said it wasn't what I said, it would be the other side. By the way, Rep. Lee Joon-seok mentioned the possibility that the presidential office leaked it, so what do you think is the reason?

[Hyunyoung Shin]
That's why the presidential office is so light and so light that it's really a problem. In the end, how was the fact that only the two parties who spoke could know about it? If Heo Eun-ah, the leader of the party, hadn't talked about it, it means that Kim Geon-hee was introduced through the presidential office. Then, if Kim Geon-hee said she wanted to talk to her, but she was rejected, and it was so humiliating, why would she do that when I talked to the leader of the New Reform Party on the phone and let the president's office know that there was nothing favorable? On the other hand, if you think about the New Reform Party, isn't there a story about Myung Tae-kyun's issue eventually linked to Lee Joon-seok's New Reform Party in the process of having Myung Tae-kyun, Kim's intervention in the nomination, public opinion manipulation, and many other complicated processes? "You planted plum blossoms at Chilbulsa Temple, we met and gave Kim Young-sun proportional representation No. 1," he said. "Will this be the power of the people to take on the big bomb of Myung Tae-kyun?" First lady Kim Gun-hee, will the ruling party or the New Reform Party take over? In a situation where they are spinning bombs like this, First Lady Kim Gun-hee has some kind of connection with the New Reform Party. So we might suspect that it came at this time to implicitly show that we're all connected.

[Anchor]
Then, what Representative Shin said was the controversy over reading and ignoring texts between Representative Han Dong-hoon and First Lady Kim before the People's Power National Convention at the end of July. As if it had happened, CEO Heo Eun-ah was holding it even after receiving a call. You see it in a similar context.

[Hyunyoung Shin]
That's right. If the leader of the New Reform Party says he is in touch with Kim Gun-hee, who is the most problematic woman, the New Reform Party is the opposition party, but in fact, it has to be challenged about its identity. It must be very uncomfortable for the new Reform Party to come out at this time. I think so. [Anchor] This is Senator Shin's personal opinion. How did you like it?

[Nice]
Now that I think about it, CEO Heo Eun-ah was also a spokesperson for the people's power, so she was injured again due to her personal relationship, so I think I can at least make a comforting call, but it didn't end there, and there was a complaint about CEO Han Dong-hoon in the phone call, and I think she talked about other contents for about an hour. But there's nothing else coming out. But why did I say that earlier is not long ago. In fact, this can be wrong because we imagine with media reports, but when representative Lee Joon-seok is in the corner due to sexual scandals, the woman's person will contact representative Lee Joon-seok and blow Kwon Seong-dong, have you heard of that? I remember seeing it in the media reports, but is this in a similar vein now? So why didn't you suddenly call someone who became the leader of the opposition party and now the People's Power Party primary was probably in full swing, July 12? About 10 days left? But why is Han Dong-hoon a candidate at that time? Why did he complain about the candidate so much to other parties and third-party minority leaders? I think you've been doing a lot of things that you don't have to do.

[Anchor]
Anyway, no one knows this right now. Why did you call at that time, and who made the phone call with CEO Heo Eun-ah? Who made it public? In a situation where no one knows, first of all, there is so much room for interpretation.

[Nice]
I was just imagining it.

[Anchor]
I listened to both of them. Let's move on to the next story. It's about Myung Taekyun. Another recording of the phone call of Myung Tae-kyun, a key figure in the suspicion of nomination intervention, has been released, and there are two recordings you will hear now, and the first one contains suggestions of manipulating public opinion polls during the last presidential election. Let's listen to it.

[Myeong Tae Gyun (Calling Kang Hye-kyung on September 30, 2021)] Yoon Suk Yeol, Yoo Seung Min, and who's next? Hong Joon Pyo, and Hwang Kyo-ahn.. I'd like you to do it quickly. I called President Yoon earlier and he was curious.... ]
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[Anchor]
Yoon was curious, so I urged him to do it quickly, but the possibility of an unpublished poll is also being raised again, so there is room for interpretation of an unpublished poll. How did you hear this?

[Hyunyoung Shin]
Myung Tae-kyun's transcript continues to be reported alone, but it's very appealing. Because the characters in the movie are very big conservative politicians. That's why it's eroding all the articles, but in fact, if you look at the situation, isn't this what happened when Yoon Suk Yeol was a presidential candidate? At the end of the day, polls and things like this are very important in planning the election strategy, so am I actually doing well from the candidate's point of view? Is that why your approval rating is going up? Or who am I supposed to check? Which areas should we supplement? Since we have no choice but to strategize on these things through the week point and strong points through the polls, I imagine how grateful and willing Myung Tae-kyun was to continue to bring the results of the polls even during these undisclosed times. In that sense, please send me a message quickly saying you are curious every time even if you don't receive a fee. Then, it's exaggerated, but I think I would have been comforted by seeing Yoon Suk Yeol's approval rating come out better than it actually is. Since relations in this way continued to be united in some way, after the election, there was inevitable that there would be unfair nomination intervention or something like that in return for it. In the end, I think Mrs. Kim has no choice but to give a gift.

[Anchor]
In the beginning, Myung Taekyun said that he never reported the U.S. public opinion poll to candidate Yoon.Can it lead to such suspicion that Ma used fabricated opinion polls?

[Nice]
Now, Myung Tae-kyun is highly likely to be investigated for violating the Political Fund Act and punished by the law, along with the accounting manager of former lawmaker Kim Young-sun named Kang Hye-kyung. In this situation, the transcript seems to come from Kang Hye-kyung, not from Myung Tae-kyun. Because when it comes out, a person named Myung Tae-kyun explains or refutes it himself. From that point of view, it's like that. What is the intention of Myung Tae-kyun right now is that he not only bursts out one or two facts a day about the president or the first lady while continuing to interview the media, but even threatens someone by saying that he will not stay still if I am investigated by the prosecution, but I think the president and his wife are the targets of intimidation. So, we can't help but imagine a scenario that raises the possibility of her involvement in the nomination that she is suspected of doing at a time when she is in the corner for violating the Political Fund Act, manipulating public opinion, and what happened to Changwon Industrial Complex, which we didn't talk about, raising the possibility that it could be linked to her involvement in party affairs or manipulation of state affairs. That's why he's taking a very dangerous gamble like that, and even if I look at the media reports these days, why isn't CEO Lee Jae-myung looking for me in the meantime? A person named Myung Taekyun even said this. So I think this guy is doing a tremendous job politically. Regarding this, this can't be covered up, and I already gave it to you last week, but the lid is already open. It's not easy to cover this again. If so, there is no alternative other than the hole method.

[Anchor]
You heard the first recording, and the second one was actually Kim Young-sun, a former lawmaker, who won the fifth term by-elections, and it's been since then, but I don't have much time to hear this, so let's just listen to this and move on to the next topic. In the Democratic Party of Korea, let's go with a permanent special prosecutor regarding Myung Tae-kyun at the party level, not a general special prosecutor. I think that's what they're saying.

[Hyunyoung Shin]
In the end, the most important thing is whether First Lady Kim Gun-hee intervenes in the nomination, but there is a clear concern that only Myung Tae-kyun and Kang Hye-kyung could be investigated and arrested and punished. Whenever Kim Gun-hee becomes an issue, the prosecution always appears to be small. Therefore, the facts and facts must be properly investigated. However, since there is too much opposition to the Special Prosecutor Act and it continues to be a revolving door due to veto, the TF and such are moving from the standpoint that we need to quickly identify these areas using the existing permanent special prosecution law.

[Anchor]
And today, representative Lee Jae-myung repeatedly urged representative Han Dong-hoon to deal with urgent issues and to hold a second round of representative talks between the ruling and opposition parties. Let's listen to CEO Lee's remarks.

[Lee Jae-myung / Democratic Party of Korea Leader: I would like to publicly say this to CEO Han Dong-hoon once again. Previously, I told you that let's meet at the event venue once within last week and talk about it, let's do that if possible, but I haven't heard from you. The scene of people's livelihoods is so difficult right now. Aren't there any political issues piled up? I understand that the position is embarrassing. Nevertheless, representatives from the ruling and opposition parties should meet to discuss. ]

[Anchor]
These days, we demand talks every day. I kept saying that we could meet regularly, and I asked again today, but why do you keep asking?

[Hyunyoung Shin]
Now, the ruling and opposition parties have signed a common pledge for people's livelihoods. That's why when fighting, let's do what we have to do even if we fight. Because there are only two months left this year. Cabbage is expensive, so I still can't make kimchi. After all, neither representative Han Dong-hoon nor representative Lee Jae-myung are free to criticize what the 22nd National Assembly did in 2024. If so, it is time for us to make results in the remaining two months and the government budget has been handed over, and now it is time to actively review the budget, but since there is nothing that can be resolved in this conflict, both are presidential candidates, and if we prepare for the next administration, we will have to produce results and cooperate with each other.

[Anchor]
When we fight, they say let's meet for the sake of people's livelihood even if we fight. But Han actually answered immediately in three hours when he was offered the second round of talks. But there's no definite answer right now. I've been postponing it, so why is that?

[Nice]
As you can see, when you show your control of the party, you can speak out even if you meet the opposition leader, but if you meet the opposition leader right now, you will probably pressure the special prosecutor. In the end, through the regularization of representative Han Dong-hoon's talks, the plan is to frame President Yoon Suk Yeol as impeachment and Representative Han Dong-hoon as a traitor through the isolation of President Yoon Suk Yeol. Wouldn't I think the final version of BTS for myself is to quickly secure the presidency in this situation, with the first trial judicial risk still on November 15 and 25? As a result, it is interesting to use gestures while meeting senior political figures in the ruling party at one point, but even though there are so many bad news in the ruling party, it does not receive all of the reflective benefits. So, in a way, the ruling and opposition parties say that public opinion and public sentiment are really severe at the same time. Of course, the ruling party should be more aware of it, but I think it's at that point.

[Anchor]
So, as you said, I met Yoon Yeo-jun, a senior conservative, today while he showed his face as a presidential candidate and was interpreted as a judicial trial and no use of judicial risk. Let's talk about this for a second.

[Hyunyoung Shin]
I met with former Environment Minister Yoon Yeo-jun. You can say you're one of the oldest members of the conservative party. But I think you said a lot of important things today. People with less democracy training have come to power. The economy is so hard. And the president of Yoon Suk Yeol doesn't care about public support. He voiced considerable concern in this regard. That's why Lee Jae-myung plays a big role. It was a request to play the role of politics to maintain our Republic of Korea well at this point. In the end, as Chairman Lee Jae-myung said, it would be nice if the reflection profit would rise to the Democratic Party's approval rating by the mistake when the government and the ruling party do not do well. In order to overcome the current state of stagnation, it is necessary to expand the center of the country, and in fact, to solve the tasks of Chairman Lee Jae-myung, who has to walk while looking at the entire Korean people other than our party's supporters, he seems to think of it as a breakthrough to solve the current political turmoil by meeting senior conservative leaders.

[Anchor]
Some people express it like this, too. He's targeting the hare. The house rabbit is done now.

[Nice]
Are these the rabbits of the people's power? They're very reasonable people. And there are bitter comments, but former Environment Minister Yoon Yeo-jun once supported Moon Jae In candidate. Kim Jong-in, chairman of the emergency committee, led the Democratic Party to a victory, although not a landslide victory in the general election, and Lee Sang-don, a company professor, once joined Ahn Cheol Soo when it was a third party, didn't he? Anything is fine. And these people are representatives of the middle, and in fact, I admit to saying such bitter words at a precise point in Korean politics. They criticized people who were less trained in democracy, but I think they are referring to the power of the people. But I'm deeply sorry that people who really know Korean politics have not said a word about the Democratic Party under the one-man system. If you think of democracy, shouldn't you say bitter things about the Democratic Party, which is centered on one person under one person, to be a grown-up?

[Anchor]
Some say that all three of you are conservatives, but not conservatives, but in the middle.

[Nice]
There was a time when you were a conservative.

[Hyunyoung Shin]
I think that the lack of political experience may refer to the president and probably representative Han Dong-hoon to be less trained in democracy.

[Nice]
The experience of politics and the experience of democracy are different.

[Anchor]
I see. Thank you for listening to both of you today. It was Jung Ok-im, a former member of the Saenuri Party, and Shin Hyun-young, a former member of the Democratic Party. Thank you.