Cho Eung-cheon "President 尹's foolish ruler..."Why do I have to talk about pollack in a good way?"

◆ [YTN Radio SHINYUL's news]
■ Broadcasting: FM 94.5 (17:00-19:00)
■ Air date: October 31, 2024 (Thursday)
■ Proceedings: Shin Yul, Professor of Political Science and Diplomacy at Myongji University
■ Dialogue: Cho Eung-cheon, General Special Adviser to the New Reform Party

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- Kim 尹 - Myung Tae-kyun's recording is more about how the people are looking than legal issues
- Presidential Office clarification, lame..I'm very busy the day before the inauguration, but why should I be kind to Myung Tae-kyun?
- The Democratic Party of Korea, following intensive and more detailed revelations, is an off-the-board issue of who recorded it
- Myung Tae-kyun seems to be asking the presidential office for help.
- The presidential election ended in 22, but it's still overtime...People are also worried about the next administration.
- People's anger gauge must be raised to succeed in impeachment.The Democratic Party of Korea will jump on the critical point
- 'extreme anger' Lee Joon-seok delegated authority to the mission committee at the time.Isn't your parent Lee Jae-myung the same representative?
- Myung Tae-kyun, we need to investigate...Yoon Sang-hyun and Lee Jun-seok are talking in their own favor
- The Democratic Party of Korea should clear up the special prosecutor..It is expected that the story of the Democratic Party of Korea's off-the-shelf meeting on the 2nd will be changed unconditionally due to limited manpower and period of time
- The 檢 Deutsche Motors or luxury bag case is nonsense..There should be no impact on Lee's first trial.

◆ Shin Yul: Shin Yul's news head-to-head match begins part 4. I am Cho Eung-cheon, the general special advisor of the Reform New Party, who will meet in today's face-to-face interview. You're in the studio right now. Please come in.

◇ Cho Eung-cheon: Yes, hello.

◆ Shin Yul: Before we start talking about it in earnest, I think it would have a more positive effect if I told you this during the ratings survey, but our lawmaker Cho Eung-cheon has decided to appear once a month. It's very helpful for our listening rate. I should've told you earlier, but our listeners, please look forward to it. You have to say this clearly, something that's obvious. How did you see the recording of the phone call between President Yoon and Myung Tae-kyun this morning?

◇ Cho Eung-cheon: In the meantime, only 4,000 recorded materials from Kang Hye-kyung's cell phone have been released, such as Kang Hye-kyung, Myung Tae-kyun, Kang Hye-kyung, and former lawmaker Kim Young-sun. Legally speaking, it's professional evidence and a message, so it's not direct, but it's a little embarrassing and disastrous to finally hear the president's voice, and I'm nervous about how far I'm going.

◆ Shin Yul: Senator Cho Eung-chan is a lawyer, so let me ask you one by one. First, this is May 9th, 2022. At the time this call was made, he was elected. And on May 10th, Yoon Suk Yeol will now be inaugurated as president of Yoon Suk Yeol. But what I want to ask you is that I talked on the phone on May 9th and I'm the elected president. And I don't know who I was talking to at this point when I talked about lawmaker Kim Young-sun. Who are you asking? Even if this recording is assumed to be true, it is not known who told whom it would be better to do it. However, assuming this is true, the time when the act was carried out is also the elected status. If so, in the case of the Democratic Party of Korea now, but the nomination will be announced on May 10, so this should be seen as a matter after the beginning of the president's term. How do I look at it? legally

◇ Cho Eung-cheon: In fact, how the people view it is much more important than this law.Professor Ma asked about legal things, and then Myung Tae-kyun's telling his acquaintance about the next situation was also released. According to them, that's why I called Yoon Sang-hyun. Keep it secure. And please come to the inauguration ceremony tomorrow. It ends like this. Keep it secure. This can be interpreted as being decided. So, then it seems to be questioning when the nomination intervention was started and when the act was completed, but you can say that this is over because of this. But actually, then did it just end with this phone call? Or other than this, I don't think I can do anything about it. Hey, still, we need to check everything about whether it was between May 9th and May 10th to expand when the act ended, but we need an independent counsel to do that.

◆ Shin Yul: And one more thing I'm asking is that in President Yoon Suk Yeol's war days, former lawmaker Kim Young-sun is missing what he said to whom while talking. I don't have that. Is this legally meaningful?

◇ Cho Eung-cheon: Well, anyway, at the time, there were two things, the local election commission and the by-elections commission, which was the by-elections commission. In addition, he talked to someone who could convey the will of the elected person, whether he was a chairman, vice chairman, member, or secretary. If you do that to that member, it's shared there, so even if the target is not specific, it's a big deal if you say you talked about yourself to the decision on whether to nominate the candidate. If you want to know who you told specifically, you need to investigate this as well.

◆ Sin-ryul: So in the end, it all goes to the point that we need to investigate, and in fact, President Yoon Suk Yeol is not saying that we, of course, did this just to say good things, but that's possible. In fact,

◇ Cho Eung-cheon: What's lame about this is that the president's office made two official announcements, and one of them came twice and we met, and even so, we hung up after the primary. But this is the day before the inauguration. I don't know because I haven't been able to do anything before the inauguration, but I think I'll be very busy if I imagine it at first glance. He hung up on me while I was busy. The fact that I had such a call with someone who said they had cut off the relationship is that people are more disappointed in it, and the point where people are angry is how stupid power is rather than how bad it is. There is a tipping point there. Even in the case of the manipulation of state affairs, when the tipping point came out on JTBC's tablet PC, I was overturned by asking, "How on earth can I leave this lady Choi Seo-won to write a speech?" But this time, when I was busy on the eve of the inauguration ceremony, how can I talk so kindly to a person whose reality is unclear? I wonder if I'm more interested in such a private side than in state affairs. If I go to this side, I think I'm a stupid ruler, and why should I say it in a good way? To Myung Taekyun? Isn't it so?

◆ Shin Yul: You hit the point. I didn't think about that.

◇ Cho Eung-cheon: Why should I say it in a good way? I'm having the inauguration ceremony tomorrow, but I'm so busy that I'm going to die. I think there's something that hasn't been revealed yet. The explanation that I said it in a good way is

◆ Shin Yul: And since you're a lawyer, legally, we don't know how the recording of the call between Myung Tae-kyun and President Yoon Suk Yeol brought it to the Democratic Party. However, it is extremely unlikely that Myung Tae-kyun will come out of the presidential office saying that he is not, and if so, it is highly likely that a third party took this. In the case of the Communications Secret Protection Act, if a third party records a story between a person and a person, isn't it not capable of evidence?

◇ Cho Eung-cheon: Now, professor, this is legally the ability to prove, so the people's judgment has nothing to do with the ability to prove. However, according to the Communications Secret Protection Act, no one should record conversations between others that have not been disclosed because they are legally asking, and if you violate them, you will be punished very severely. From the sound quality, it's very bad. I think it's right to secretly record what's coming from somewhere. In terms of sound quality, and if Myung Tae-kyun is arrested, he said he would peel it all. It's not in that state yet, so I think A, who he hired, put it on. I think that's right. However, it is true that A is punished for this, and the fact that there was such a conversation itself is true, and the president's office doesn't say that my voice was manipulated with AI. So, it's just a fact, but in reality, the Democratic Party is holding something more and will continue to release it as salami. If there are more specific and problematic things that are stronger than what was announced today, we can just talk about the secret method of external communication.

◆ Shin Yul: But Myung Taekyun did that today. I'm going to burn it all now.
◇ Cho Eung-cheon:
in my father's grave
◆ I hid it, but I'm going to go burn it. What do you think that means?

◇ Cho Eung-cheon: Before that, what I said was that my cell phone was my lawyer. What that is is is that the lawyer will not be able to shoot the nucleus recklessly against me because he holds the nuclear button rather than defending himself legally. So if you shoot a nucleus at me, I have no choice but to press the nucleus button. In other words, I said I would open all of them. But I don't really believe that I'm going to burn it all today. It's a message of thinking that it's a message. Anyway, I might press the nuclear button, but I don't feel that way at all right now, so I think it means to cover me with all my might in the presidential office.

◆ Sin-ryul: Another thing we're going to pay attention to is the Democratic Party. The reporters asked me this morning at an emergency press conference. Then, he said, "Is this going to talk about impeachment?" But what should be said about it is that the people should make a judgment. What's the reason for this?

◇ Cho Eung-cheon: I think he did that with Lee Jae-myung as a representative, but let's avoid making a mistake of dropping our nose into the cooked rice anyway. So, impeachment should be a serious violation of the constitution or law in the execution of its duties, but it's not just that. The people should go up like this to say, "It's not good to this administration anymore. I can't delegate the authority of this administration." This is how impeachment succeeds. But I think the Democratic Party also feels it. People's anger gauge is not that high yet. And I went through impeachment once in 2016, so I really thought that the Republic of Korea would go to integration by securing a change, establishing a democratic foundation, and re-establishing it, but it was far more divided into two than then, and now the people are completely divided into two emotionally and politically, and the state of civil war seems to be now. Then it got worse when you think about how much better my life was because of impeachment and how much of what I originally thought was achieved through impeachment. In fact, the 2022 presidential election ended very close with 0.73%.As you know, the professor knows well that the presidential election is usually a presidential election, but the complaints and contradictory conflict elements that have been condensed have the effect of gathering and erupting all at once through a political event called the presidential election, and as a result, it was fun to burn up all the anger and start again, right? But what happened is that even though the presidential election was held in March 2022, he continues to play penalty shootouts in the second half of the extra time of the presidential election. Then, when we say that we will bring it out through impeachment, what is the next administration and can we trust that the current state of political civil war can be ended? Isn't it a good thing to do? Who will be able to go straight when he or she comes to power? He is now being tried in a number of cases and is being prosecuted for continuing to lie, such as publicizing false information and perjury, but I am not sure if this is the right way to go. I think so, and the Democratic Party seems to be very careful about that, and anyway, when the anger gauge becomes visible and goes up to the handover point, you have to ride it. It's impossible for you to take this and lead it. I think the Democratic Party is thinking about that.

◆ Shin-yul: And the presidential office said that we didn't ask or report the nomination intervention, and in the case of lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun, he said, "I never took it," but the decision maker is Lee Joon-seok and Yoon Sang-hyun. Rep. Lee Joon-seok and the president's office are talking about this similar thing, but Rep. Lee Joon-seok seems to be completely too angry right now.

◇ Cho Eung-cheon: So I said that I would decide better than this, but if you look at it, there were two official committees at the time, and he delegated all authority to the official committees, but he said, "What about this?" He said, "How about this?" If the CR doesn't work, you're thinking, "Who's the outside force working?" That's how much I thought. If it's a lie, it's a former CEO who kicked him out anyway, and I'm different now, but it's not that. I'm sure you told me you did everything. Also, the ethics committee expelled him. That representative probably happened a month or two after he took office as president. The first ethics committee, the second ethics committee, and the third ethics committee continued, so Lee is already the representative, but he is not the representative who wields the government like Lee Jae-myung, the representative of his parents. No, but I said I was a representative due to my position, so I put it on there. What did you do to me in the past? Are you covering it up on me again? I think that's why I'm so angry these days.

◆ Shin Yul: I understand that he expressed the expression, "It's not Yang-du-yuk, but it's human hands." So Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun also said, "Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun, I've never reported that." If I say that I didn't report it, I think it's a situation that has no choice but to prove that I did it to say something really good.

◇ Cho Eung-cheon: That's why we have to investigate. Since we're talking about what's in our favor,

◆ Shin Yul: But if we investigate it now, there are more than one or two special prosecutors. The Democratic Party of Korea is talking about 14 things. Then this is another special prosecutor.
◇ Cho Eung-cheon: So out of the 14, there is nomination intervention, but you can just do it as you want. However, it also includes Sambu Construction, stock price manipulation, etc. So I heard it through rumors and someone said something. This smells bad. I put this all in too. We can't do 14 in 120 days and 150 days. I can't investigate. I think it's a politically corrupt department store like this. There's nothing wrong with it. I just did it to show off that, but when I go into the special prosecutor's office, there are a few things to do, two, three, three things. I can't.

◆ Shin Yul: So the Democratic Party needs to sort it out.

◇ Cho Eung-cheon: Of course. How do you investigate all of that? How do you investigate all of that in a limited period of time?

◆ Shin Yul: Anyway, I heard this at first glance this morning, and I heard this before I went to class, but I thought at first glance that the core of the political situation is moving from First Lady Kim Gun-hee to President of Yoon Suk Yeol. What do you think?

◇ Cho Eung-cheon: Anyway, Mrs. Kim Gun-hee did something really wrong. Or she violated the law while being the first lady. But there is a crime that the receiving system failed to do, but it is not in executing his duties as president. The First Lady has no public standing. So it's not a reason for impeachment. That's right. The direct reason for impeachment is that the person himself or herself must do something illegal or unconstitutional. And it has to go to the point where the people as a whole can no longer delegate power. But in the meantime, she's been doing everything she wants to do. In fact, that alone can't be impeached. But now that the president's voice comes out, it's the day before the inauguration. The transition team's vice chairman, vice chairman of the transition team, dispatched specialized members of the transition team. All civilians who came out there will be on the agenda as public officials if they have to take criminal punishment related to the transition team's work. But the president-elect doesn't have that.

◆ Shin Yul: Transition members are on the agenda as public servants. Right. But I'm not the president-elect. That's fun.

◇ Cho Eung-cheon: The president-elect has only a position. So, before the start of his term, he has the authority to appoint a prime minister or a member of the State Council and hold hearings, form a transition team, set up a transition team, support transportation, and support medical care. There's nothing different about the transition method.

◆ Shin Yul: Oh, but aren't we going outside the Democratic Party this Saturday, November 2nd? On November 9, a large-scale outdoor rally was planned, with the Korean Confederation of Trade Unions at the center, calling for the resignation of Minister Yoon Suk Yeol. In this situation, speaking of this, I think there is a possibility that the voice of the rally will change and the scale will change. What do you think?

◇ Cho Eung-cheon: The story will definitely be different. Representative Lee Jae-myung or floor leader Lee Jae-myung will say that impeachment will not be about us, but it's uplifting to see them gathering together with a microphone at a protest rally. It's just going to fly away, and now there's a large-scale rally somewhere on November 2nd for the party members, and they're gathering somewhere in our region. Please participate a lot. I think these encouraging texts keep going. Since this recording was released this morning, I don't know how many ordinary people would think this is not right.I'm sure there's Ma. When those people join the party, the Democratic Party will probably see that. He's not just a supporter of us, but he can give us a microphone saying that he's not a supporter of us.

◆ Shin Yul: Wouldn't the first trial ruling on CEO Lee Jae-myung on November 15th and 25th affect this atmosphere in its own way? What do you think?

◇ Cho Eung-cheon: I'd like to believe that it's not crazy. But the judges get text bombs or hold banners with someone's name in front of the court, and they hate it and they're conscious.

◆ Sin-ryul: It's going to be shrinking. Moreover, with this recording exploding,

◇ Cho Eung-cheon: But that's that, this is that, and the prosecution actually doesn't make sense even if I look at Deutsche Motors and luxury bags. In any case, the prosecution, one of the pillars of the law in three years, did it that way, so you might wonder why we should be the only ones criticized.But I believe that's not the case.

◆ Shin-yul: But there was a rumor of an opposition crisis in November, but I think the rumor of a crisis in the ruling camp is changing, not an opposition crisis now.

◇ Cho Eung-cheon: So by not prosecuting Deutsche or luxury bags, he helped to remove political opponents by mobilizing political prosecutors and prosecutors.

◆ Shin Yul: Okay. That's all for today's talk. Thank you.

◇ Cho Eung-cheon: Thank you.

◆ Shin Yul: I was Cho Eung-cheon, the general special advisor of the New Reform Party.