Jang Sung-chul said, "尹, at this rate, is ruling Lee Jae-myung politically innocent.Get an independent counsel.

◆ [YTN Radio SHINYUL's news]
■ Broadcasting: FM 94.5 (17:00-19:00)
■ Air date: November 4, 2024 (Friday)
■ Proceedings: Shin Yul, Professor of Political Science and Diplomacy at Myongji University
■ Dialogue: Jang Sung-chul, Director of Public Opinion Center, Kim Min-ha, Current Affairs Critic

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Jang Sung-chul
- I fell to the ground of the presidential authority over the issue of Mrs. Kim.Difficult to administer state affairs
- 18% in Daegu and North Gyeongsang Province... What ended beyond lame duck
- 尹, at this rate, ruling Lee Jae-myung politically innocent...Get an independent counsel
Kim Min-ha
- Why Han Dong-hoon was silent? Because Yongsan hates it
- The president shakes the party-government relationship with the risk of state affairs breaking down
- The government that brought up reform will endure the sentence of Lee Jae-myung.

◆ Shin Yul: For me, the three things that CEO Han Dong-hoon said. I don't think I should see the president talking about personnel reform or anything like this, and it was reported earlier that the cabinet ordered the government to finish it well within this year so that the public could feel the results of the reform policy that is currently being pursued, but the moment I heard this, I thought that it would not change. How do you see it?

■ Jang Sung-chul: The president should not be mistaken. Four reforms plus medical reforms are impossible. within this year So you can't run the state administration with your stubbornness and conviction. I think you have to give up what you want to give up. I don't think it will be reformed even if the heaven and earth break out. So, do you think that's the reason why I told you to give up? How do you do pension reform now? How do you reform education and how do you reform health care?

◆ Shin Yul: I can actually do it if the support of public opinion is strong. But the support is a little too low. So I'm like, what kind of reform drive is this actually as good as public support?

■ Jang Sung-chul: Of course. This is an unpopular policy. Pay more to the people and get less. If you do this, there's no one who'll like it. Then you have to push with a justification, but you can't do that either. So now that the president's authority has fallen to the ground because of Kim Geon-hee's problems, and the president has become the subject of mockery and mockery, I think he will likely be a plant-based president unless he changes his current state administration and his views on the opposition and the ruling party. Formally, he is sitting in the position of president, but he will exercise some power, but it is difficult for a president whose authority has fallen to the ground to run state affairs. I say that it's impossible for me, too. So, I don't think the public will be able to applaud or support such things. That's what I think. As I mentioned earlier in the Gallup poll, 18% of the core supporters of traditional conservatives in Daegu and North Gyeongsang Province. The positive evaluation is over. The government can't run state affairs itself beyond lame ducking. Still, they still lie about what we did wrong. Last Friday, Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok came out and talked about it.

◆ Shin Yul: But this is the Dong-A Ilbo report.Ma will concentrate on this policy. I will not respond politically. I'm doing this right now.

■ Jang Sung-cheol: For 2 years and 6 months, what did you do without focusing on the policy? You couldn't do almost anything because you were held back by the problem of Mrs. Kim Gun-hee. You know better that the early days of power are the most popular and the people expect a lot. Professor Shin-yul, however, is becoming less popular in the second half of his administration, and how can he get the momentum to focus on his policies while covering up his political burden, moral and ethical issues? It's impossible. So, I reiterate that government management cannot be done with persistence and belief. That's what I'm saying.

◆ Shin Yul: Our critic Kim Min-ha would agree with Jang's opinion, but then we will not respond politically to various suspicions such as suspicions related to Myung Tae-kyun, as the Dong-A Ilbo reported. I'll focus on the policy. Then why did we talk about this? Is it because I don't know? How do you see it?

◇ Kim Min-ha: So now I'm going to focus on this policy, so as you said earlier, and today another expert, for example, a consultant, said something similar, but for example, I'll reform and raise my approval rating. I will increase my approval rating as a result of the reform. This is an illusion. Reform can be achieved only when approval ratings rise. As you said, everyone knows this. I don't think the president's office knows that. But if you say this, your approval rating is low, what policies do you do and what reforms do you do? That's impossible. It sounds like I'm going to drag my feet. In fact, if you want to drag your feet, don't you think so? For example, the president will come forward and apologize, and then the president will put something down and accept something, but if you hold out, you will see a certain ruling on Lee Jae-myung in mid-November, and if you get a guilty verdict, you will be able to overturn it at once if you get a very shocking ruling that prevents you from running for president. As such, isn't it true that there is a political circle in Yeouido that can be translated into this? If I say something, it's translated, so I can translate it. In fact, but isn't this a situation that can happen right now? Our people will evaluate the issue of the Democratic Party of Korea and the judicial risk of representative Lee Jae-myung by itself. I'm going to evaluate it on my own, but asking President Yoon Suk Yeol and the Yoon Suk Yeol administration is asking how to solve President Yoon Suk Yeol's problems and the Yoon Suk Yeol administration's problems. That's why the approval rating is now at rock bottom in the TK area from TK. I'm telling you to go all the way to the end. Isn't it clear that what this approval rating means is that we will see how to solve it? Even though the Democratic Party of Korea is not suddenly absorbing some support from the TK region, the conservative voters are sending a clear signal that if we don't solve this problem now, we can't move on to the next stage. Then I'll solve my problems with what's happening in other people's families. You have to throw away this attitude now. But I think I still have that expectation, so I think it's a very dangerous signal right now.

◆ Sin-ryul: But I think there's something that these conservatives were kind of relieved about, but the people's approval ratings and the president's approval ratings have been decoupled. How do I keep this going?

■ Jang Sung-chul: I think that representative Han Dong-hoon is playing a role as an opposition party to some extent. When the approval rating was about to decline during the Lee Myung Bak administration, it didn't go to the Democratic Party, it went to the presidential candidate at the time of Park Geun Hye. Such a role Since it plays an opposition role within the ruling party, it is not moving on to the opposition party now. The public sentiment of the middle class is not passing over to Chairman Lee Jae-myung and the opposition party. I think CEO Han Dong-hoon is playing the same role as this dam. I think Lee Jae-myung, the leader of the party, should not be the next likely next leader. I personally oppose it, but if the presidential office does not try to solve the various inappropriate problems of Mrs. Kim Gun-hee and does not respond politically regarding the Lee Myung-tae-kyun issue. Even if party leader Lee Jae-myung is legally sentenced on the 15th and 25th and convicted, I think the presidential office itself will give a political acquittal. Why are you pointing your fingers at Lee Jae-myung because he has a legal problem when Kim Gun-hee's problem is such a moral problem, an ethical problem, and a legal problem. I don't have anything to say. So I think there is a 99% chance that the president's office will not be able to focus on policy if it continues to focus on policy. There's a 99% chance that your approval rating will drop. From now on, I think their goal is not to think of the conservative camp, but to just finish their seats and the end of the term of President Yoon Suk Yeol. I think the conservative camp is in trouble.

◆ Sin-ryul: But. That Democratic approval rating doesn't go up that much either. Yes, but I was going to tell you something very unique, but our director Jang Sung-chul said that earlier, and it's based on Gallup Korea in December 2016. When President Park Geun Hye's approval rating fell by 45%, the public's approval rating fell a lot then. When it comes to about 17%, the Democratic Party of Korea's approval rating should exceed 50%, but only 34% based on Gallup Korea. So, 32% of Gallup came out in Korea last week. Even then, I hardly saw any reflective profits. Why do you think that's the case? Even now,

◇ Kim Min-ha: First of all, this situation was not created because the Democratic Party of Korea is doing a certain kind of politics enough to be loved by the people, right? That's because President Yoon Suk Yeol is doing politics that even our critics can't really explain, "This is happening for a reason, even though it's a bit strange to the general electorate and some experts in politics." Isn't the public's assessment of that situation reflected in the approval rating now? So, apart from the evaluation of how the Democratic Party does it, the evaluation of the national leader of this leader is being made, so there is a situation that is separate from whether the Democratic Party's approval rating is going up now. Then there will be a separate assessment of how the Democratic Party will now lead this situation to which phase of their approval rating. That's the first thing I see. Second, nevertheless, I think that it is necessary to evaluate any movement or such of the overall approval rating of the pan-night region once again. To show that, for example, you need to look at the sum of your approval ratings with other political parties such as the Cho Kuk Innovation Party, and what's worth referencing here is that it's not that effective now, but don't you sometimes do that? The approval rating of the next presidential candidate is quite early now, but it doesn't mean much, but you have to look at it when you investigate it. If you sum up the approval ratings of the leaders of this opposition party and the approval ratings of the presidential candidates of the ruling party, then you can see in a little bit whether the people are represented as people or not. However, if you calculate this sum, of course, it is fragmentary, but in any case, the pan-night area is somewhat higher than one digit or two digits. There are polls like this that show some numbers like that. So, when it comes to the question of why the Democratic Party of Korea is not gaining support, we can answer that it is because the Democratic Party is not doing well in politics, but then is the people's power just maintaining the party's support rate at the present time? Apart from the Yoon Suk Yeol presidential variable, it is not right now. Due to President Yoon Suk Yeol's falling approval rating, the people's power is now forgetting a considerable political blow. The internal image is deepening. I think this point is undeniable.

■ Jang Sung-chul: It seems that the approval rating is not shifting to the Democratic Party because of the high antipathy and unfavorable to leader Lee Jae-myung. There is a political party tradition and history of the Democratic Party. It was a party for the middle class and the weak. It was a party that overcame the IMF. It was the kind of party that had made balanced regional development by decision to prevent the centralization of the metropolitan area. It's a party formed by people who fought for democracy in this country. The public is not willing to support Lee Jae-myung, the leader of the party, who uses four previous convictions of such a political party and abusive language to his brother-in-law and uses the majority of seats in the National Assembly to protect his crimes. So I think the Democratic Party of Korea should also reflect on itself, and now the Yoon Suk Yeol regime is being beaten up, but if the first trial ruling against party leader Lee Jae-myung comes out on the 15th and 25th, the public will have no choice but to go to the Democratic Party of Korea. So at that point, CEO Han Dong-hoon seems to have an opportunity, and

◆ Shin Yul: But isn't that not going to President Yoon?

■ Jang Sung-chul: So I'm done with President Yoon as long as he doesn't change now. So, for example, if I want to do something that President Yoon Suk Yeol has changed, I will get an independent counsel. Please exclude unconstitutional factors and if the ruling and opposition parties do not agree, the opposition party will take care of them alone. I won't veto it. Or you can make the minister or the prime minister do things like that for those who criticized and objected to you. If we order a former lawmaker like Yoo Seung Min as the prime minister or the minister of the Ministry of Economy and Finance and have other bitter people as aides in the cabinet or the presidential office, the people can think, "Oh, you're going to change into a president." Because of the First Lady Kim Gun-hee's problem, our conservative right admits that the Korean Yoon Suk Yeol's regime is in danger. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. As Kim Geon-hee promised during the last presidential election, she will only be faithful to the internal affairs. I won't leave it in Yongsan or Hannam, but I'll just send it to my private house. I will not go abroad and do diplomacy with the first lady. You have to do this to change the people. You have to pay attention once again. If you just stop them from spinning. If First Lady Kim Kwon-hee continues to defend herself. If you veto it, you won't support the people. I think it's over. For me, it's

◆ Shin Yul: But why don't Democrats talk about impeachment? I told him to come down that day, but the word impeachment didn't appear. Last Saturday

◇ Kim Min-ha: It's true that public opinion and things like this are critical of President Yoon Suk Yeol, and as you said, we've reached a certain situation where it's difficult to run the regime, but isn't it a separate matter now that it led to the impeachment of President Yoon Suk Yeol? Impeachment would mean that when there is a serious violation of the Constitution and the law, let's impeach then. From a procedural point of view, the Democratic Party of Korea can say that there are many doubts, but in order to prove them, shouldn't it be premised on something that can reach the previous stage, such as an independent counsel or some prosecution investigation? But it's a situation where we haven't been able to observe them.

◇ Kim Min-ha: Then, of course, at that stage, there's a certain roundabout of the slogan of impeachment, but there are aspects where some lawmakers form a single body and argue those things in many ways, but there's a dimension that it's quite burdensome to officially mention it at the party leadership or at the party's level. So I'm not going to talk about it anymore, but looking at the overall flow and things like that, President Yoon Suk Yeol, for example, is also mentioned in the conservative media right now. For example, some progressive civic groups or other progressive organizations are now targeting the agenda of progress, but this is also a solution that was mentioned in the conservative media column in the last general election. So, even if this is not necessarily an impeachment, the situation in which such discussions are just taking place in conservative circles will be a significant burden on President Yoon Suk Yeol's administration. I think these things are undeniable facts.

◆ Sin Yul: I think this is the basic nature of the media that you're talking about. You can have an ideological orientation. In particular, it's like a newspaper now, but I think it should be distinguished from factionalism. That's why it's conservative media. So, there is a difference between being faithful to one's ideology and being partisan. In that sense, I think we should accept it now. But isn't it because I'm not confident?

■ Jang Sung-chul: In order for the Democratic Party to be impeached, there must be voices of impeachment within the ruling party and lawmakers must move. And impeachment as a political slogan seems to be of little use, and I think there should be a demand from the public. People's demands can also come out in the polls,

◆ Shin Yul: Isn't that about 15%?

■ Jang Seong-cheol: I think we should drop to single digits. In the end, I think a stroller should come out of the street. It's not just voluntary party members, it's not organized people, it's just voluntary people who are holding children's hands or leading baby strollers. I can't see the president in that position for a moment. That's how impeachment is possible. Just because the Democratic Party of Korea chants impeachment now doesn't mean that the Cho Kuk Innovation Party is impeached just because it has 13 logical grounds and justifications for impeachment. If you bring up the term impeachment now, you're trying to distract attention from Lee Jae-myung's trial. You can be criticized like this.

◇ Kim Min-ha: But if you think back to 2016, when the impeachment actually took place, the Democratic Party did not preemptively talk about impeachment. At that time, former President Park Geun Hye himself insisted that he should come down. But the reason why they said they should be impeached is because it started with the so-called civil society and protest slogans, so if you think about the situation, you'll understand it, and if you go out to the streets and do it, you'll lead to a public opinion battle. I think you can understand it with this intention.

◆ Shin Yul: Okay. Let's stop listening to what you said today. Thank you.

■ Jang Seong-cheol, ◇ Kim Min-ha: Thank you.

◆ Shin Yul: So far, we have been with two current affairs critics, Kim Min-ha, director of the Jang Sung-chul Public Opinion Center.