Kim Jong-hyuk "尹, now on the bench..."Only the public evaluation remains."

◆ [YTN Radio SHINYUL's news]
■ Broadcasting: FM 94.5 (17:00-19:00)
■ Air date: November 7, 2024 (Thursday)
■ Proceedings: Shin Yul, Professor of Political Science and Diplomacy at Myongji University
■ Dialogue: Kim Jong-hyuk, Supreme Council Member for People's Power

* The text below may differ from the actual broadcast content, so please check the broadcast for more accurate information.

- 尹 Korea's public speech, conference, disappointed that it did not meet expectations
- Suggested apology content and direction for solution
- Cell phone replacement... What were the aides around you doing?
- They just let the First Lady text, but
- They only emphasize 尹's attitude, personal beliefs and ethics
- 尹, First Lady Kim's problem, Cabinet reform, etc.
- The 'big seat' Democratic Party has no justification for off-the-shelf struggle.

◆ Shinyul: Shinyul's News Head-to-head Match Part 1 begins with the best dignity. As mentioned earlier, Kim Jong-hyuk, the supreme council member of the People's Power in the studio, is here. Please come in.

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: Hello.

◆ You're always busy this week, right? Well, there's a lot going on these days, so the U.S. is also running for president. And the president of Korea held a press conference today. And on the weekend, the Democratic Party of Korea and other civic groups will hold a rally. And next Thursday, CEO Lee Jae-myung will probably be a perjury teacher. Is that so? I think it's a perjury teacher. The first trial ruling comes out.

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: The violation of the election law is the 15th

◆ Shin Yul: Is the 15th the election law? The first trial ruling comes out again. I think you'll be busy all the time. How busy are you?

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: I'm working hard.

◆ Shin Yul: How did you see the President's public statement and press conference today? In total,

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: I don't know. So now there have been various criticisms and criticisms surrounding the presidential office. And now, especially since there were a lot of comments about Mrs. Lee, CEO Han Dong-hoon made five demands on those things. Didn't the president suddenly prepare for today's press conference in the form of five demands for reform of the state administration? So, we actually looked forward to it a lot. So, I thought that it would be a place where the president made a sincere apology to the people for various problems before the second half of his term and then showed his determination to carry out a new state administration. In conclusion, I feel a bit sorry that I didn't meet those expectations enough. But actually, it must have been a bit difficult. Because it's hard for us to talk about our family, right? I think it must have been difficult and difficult to tell others about something wrong with your wife, your son, your daughter, or your husband. You have to take those things into account, but the president can't be the same as the average person. So I thought it would be nice to have more honest stories, including your wife's problem, but I think the evaluation will be different for each person. Some people say I did a good job.

◆ Sin-ryul: Who didn't do well and did well. This is impossible. That's right. How does the world of people live

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: For example, those in the pro-Yoon system, floor leader Choo Kyung-ho also said that, and then pro-Yoon system

◆ Shin Yul: I sincerely explained and apologized for the controversy. This

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: Most of them say the same thing. So I said honestly and honestly that I said this part.

◆ Shin Yul: I agree.

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: He emphasized it. But in fact, what the people are curious about is not that, but what has changed in terms of its contents. But there's not much talk about that. So, on the critic side, there could be a lot of controversy over the attitude, but that was honest. Other than being honest, I thought that I could be criticized for what has changed in the content and what has progressed.

◆ Sin-ryul: Some people say this. Anyone would probably appreciate that the president bowed down and apologized. However, in making that apology, the specific reason for the apology was quite insufficient. There's this evaluation. If the reason is insufficient, we should always include promises to prevent recurrence and measures to prevent recurrence in an apology, but the reason is unclear, so there is an evaluation that the measures to prevent recurrence have become a little unclear. In fact, the things that CEO Han Dong-hoon asked for are measures to prevent a recurrence. There was an evaluation that it was a bit disappointing.

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: When the president apologized, he apologized while talking about this inappropriateness of my wife and my wife's behavior. But in a way, the behavior is very broad and abstract, so it's hard to pick them up and talk about them. So at the end of the conference, what the hell is that about a reporter? What is the content of the apology you mentioned? What are the details? What are you apologizing for? I asked you like this. In order to apologize, the content must be specific and there must be a direction for how to fix the specific things, but the president did not respond to that. Therefore, I think that those who are critical of that might say something like, "What kind of apology is that?"

◆ Shin-yul: There's something like that, and the friend who says, "It's a bit unfortunate." First lady Kim Gun-hee talked to a lot of different people on the phone. This is not an official activity, but a TV Chosun reporter probably asked a question, but it's not an official activity, but an informal activity. What are you going to do? I asked her what she was going to do, and she said she would change her phone number. As far as I remember, I didn't change my phone number, so other people, people I knew in the past, and my number was released, so a lot of people called me and explained, but in fact, I think this is the key question that the TV Chosun reporter asked. So, why did you call those people, but why did you change your phone number have nothing to do with the content when the content is also a problem?

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: Now the president said that many people advised him not to use the phone number he used before he became president anymore. But he didn't do it and didn't do it, so after he was elected, he got 3,000 calls. We talked about this, too. And because of that, I didn't change my wife's phone number, so when I get an answer from people who were before me, I think they say that because they are weak-minded and give us answers as they are and how we don't answer, so they say that these inappropriate things happened. But that's something I can understand personally, but for that, I can't help but criticize the person in charge of the security office or the staff around it for responsibility. It's not even the president's signature, but is it really right for the president and his wife to just ignore and text with people who were before him? There may be controversy over these parts, such as whether the president should have stopped him by saying that he shouldn't do this if he didn't. But I think the president is saying that he won't do it anymore. But other people don't criticize me. You can say, "What's the point of changing your number?" So I felt like the focus didn't match.

◆ Shin-yul: I want to ask you one more question, why do you think your approval rating is now low? The president seems to have a little low approval rating, mainly related to that reform. As far as I remember, a reporter from the Yeungnam Ilbo asked me a question, but I'm so sorry that it's low in Daegu and North Gyeongsang Province, and I care about the president too much, so I'm disappointed because this doesn't work out well when I reform it wrong. So if the expectation is high, the disappointment is high. And there are many people who feel like they are trying to connect reform with low approval ratings, and the president may think that, but there is an evaluation that seems to be a little far from the reason for the negative evaluation in the polls.

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: In the evaluation, number 1 is roughly written as Kim Gun-hee. And legislative conflicts, things like this

◆ Shin Yul: Even if it's a reform,

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: It's in there, but I think that. So, politicians should act according to responsibility ethics, not belief ethics. So you can't just have a certain belief that what Max Weber said is right. Politicians must have that. But you shouldn't do politics with just that. Responsible ethics means that you have to take responsibility for these aspects of how your beliefs will result when they are implemented as a policy. So in most cases, just because the motivation is pure does not necessarily mean that the result is good, or just because the motivation is not that pure does not mean that the result is bad, and isn't that the subtlety of politics? So you have to be able to understand and accept all of those things. I have a pure motive, but why don't you recognize my pure motive and say that the process is painful just because the result is not good now, so why are you attacking me? I have no choice but to say that it only emphasizes one's belief ethics, but is neglecting other important virtues of politics, such as responsibility ethics. So, the President, what he said this time is that when a president makes a reform, for example, is there a reform that the people do to go wrong? I don't think so. I'm not a dictator or Kim Jong-un, but I'm a reformer. People, just because you say, "This is reform," doesn't mean that you will be exempted from the results of the rest. I feel like I need to think about these parts.

◆ Shin-ryul: I personally felt a little bit sad at that time because I think this is the right direction for the president's will to reform and the direction of reform, but the important thing is that public opinion support is the biggest driving force when pushing for reform. But public opinion is falling because of this, so I'll do this, but I'll go even if I get stoned. I don't know what will happen, but this is over. It's over now, but how do you think the relationship between this party and the president's office will get better? I'm asking you about this because when Supreme Council member Kim Jong-hyuk said something earlier, he responded. Many people think it's not an answer to CEO Han Dong-hoon. Some people may think that they responded to floor leader Choo Kyung-ho. How do you think the party will react to this today?

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: So I think the president responded to the demands of representative Han Dong-hoon. In fact, the bad news was that we made such a request at the time, but we had to mobilize floor leader Choo Kyung-ho to listen to him and hold a press conference, and at the center of the party, Chairman Choo Kyung-ho was at the center of the party, and these expressions came from the presidential office in Yongsan. I thought that those things were a bit of a mystery to anyone and that it didn't fit in front of it. So, looking at those words, there were some concerns that there might be no significant change in the content of the discourse or press conference, but after today's results, some say that maybe it's closer to that concern. It's because the president didn't say anything about the five demands, such as personnel reform, the presidential office, the Cabinet, the First Lady, or the special inspector, or the fundamental reform and change of the state administration. I'll just do that as a clutter. I'll be good.

◆ Sin Yul: I'll do that if it's anything.

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: You said that, but there was nothing more specific. So that's a bit of a bummer. If you really thought that you would change the government's stance and reform it, it would have been nice if you could give more directions on specific issues and express your will, but there was no such part, so I think it will continue to be controversial. I think there are two reactions from the party to this part. As I said earlier, the people in the pro-yoon group were very casual, humane, and honest conversations. It was that kind of discourse. It was a press conference. It seems like they are saying that it was okay to talk about such a personal aspect and the wife's story, and those who are critical within the party are criticizing that there is nothing specific about it. Then, in the end, they are saying that they will just go with what they have done so far. So, the party's atmosphere is not coming out as one.

◆ Shin Yul: No, I want to ask you this way. CEO Han Dong-hoon said, "Please tell me something that fits the public's eye level." But if you look at the reactions today, the president has been honest and honest, but there are people who don't think it's right to say it from what perspective he was honest and honest. In other words, from your own subjective point of view, you've been honest and honest, but who accepts that you're an apology? You're a citizen. It's a pity that I'm not talking about myself from the people's point of view. If this argument is true, how do you compare CEO Han Dong-hoon's eye-level remarks and this situation?

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: So the public's eye level will probably be broadcasted at 9 o'clock this morning, 8 o'clock this evening, 8 o'clock on the news, 7 o'clock on the news, and then all the morning newspapers will report tomorrow morning, right? I think they're reporting a lot. And there will be private columns, and I think that will reveal how the media accepts the president's statement and press conference today and what the people think. But as I said earlier, there was no more specific content, so I'm worried that the media would come out critically. It's an atmosphere that's going to be quite critical, so I'm a little worried about that. So that can be evaluated as not meeting the public eye level that CEO Han Dong-hoon said. So some people worry about what if it gets worse after the press conference. And last time, it got worse when the president made any announcement, including the parliamentary conflict statement on April 1. While talking about this, it will be different this time. This time it's a dead-end debate. There are no restrictions on the subject, so I started with a preliminary notice. So,

◆ Sin-ryul: They do sort out the subject.

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: We did sort out the subject. We divided the topics, and then it was a debate, but we did it for about two more hours.

◆ Sin-ryul: That's enough. I think that's right.
◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: But to put it simply about that, how satisfied the public will be with the content, and whether the public will think this is my eye level, it's like we're on the bench now.

◆ Shin Yul: The NBS poll came out today. This is a poll of 102 people over the age of 18 from November 4-6. It's a telephone interview survey. For more information, you can refer to the website of the Central Election Public Opinion Review Committee, and 19% came out. That's why it's down 3 percentage points compared to last week. I need to increase my approval rating. How do I look at this? I'm actually more curious about next week. How do you watch it?

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: As you know, I am the supreme council member of the ruling party. You know that it's not appropriate for me to make a negative assessment of the president's statement, right?

◆ Sin-ryul: Of course. But isn't it possible to come up with measures through that objectivity? That's right. But I actually have another poll commissioned by Dailyan for the poll process. From November 4th to 5th, this poll was conducted 100% ARS wirelessly, where the president's approval rating rose 5%. So this is a poll with 1,000 people. For more information, you can also refer to the website of the central election poll, but it went up here. The presidential paper was announced today, so the NBS survey failed and this went up. In fact, I think ARS is a lot of active supporters, so I think the active supporters of conservatives have begun to gather. What do you think?

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: That's possible. I think it's possible because of the sense of crisis. Because last time, all surveys showed a decline, so the ARS survey was mainly focused on party members. There's no one who's listening to everything that's being heard on the phone. Me too

◆ Sin Yul: Actually, I've never done it before, whether it's mechanical or not.

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: But if you still hear a person's voice, hello. Who is this? But please do that. Let me ask you a few questions. If I do this, I usually respond. So, when you do it in a catty way, the phone interviewer gets 10 percent of the response rate, right? In the ARS survey, it's like 2 percent.

◆ Sin Rhyul: It's 5%.

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: If there are 100 people, two people will respond like this, so the two responses are very active in politics, right? So, as Professor Shin said, the support for the president was probably the same in the Gallup survey last time, and where did he do it after that? The survey conducted by the Realmeter Munhwa Ilbo also recorded the lowest point, so I think it may have gone up because there is a sense of crisis about it. But the problem is that the polls in the United States are all wrong. U.S. presidential polls are all wrong.

◆ Shin Yul: I also hear a British economist who said he has never been wrong

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: Actually, I also think a lot about whether polls are meaningful anymore. It's just looking at the trend, because there's too much specifically wrong with it. And don't you have a lot of doubts about whether pollsters are manipulated considerably through people like pollack? It's not just a poll of the ruling party, it's also a poll of the opposition. It's similar, so there's no need to worry about it, but the overall trend is that our approval rating for the president is on the decline, and it's not easy to ask whether it can be turned or returned through today's press conference and the announcement of the conference statement. To be honest, I think it won't be easy with this much.

◆ Shin Yul: The Democratic Party must have another outdoor rally this Saturday. I'm doing it with civic groups. I'm doing it separately. I think we're doing it separately, but the location and time are different.

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: Only they said they would do it.

◆ Sin-ryul: Anyway, I was going to do this in Daejeon, but I think they changed it to Seoul. How do you watch this?

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: What about the Democratic Party's protest outside? It's a demonstration with absolutely no justification because, as you know, you have over 170 seats, and the opposition as a whole has 192 seats, right? With such an enormous number of seats, in the case of Representative Lee Jae-myung, isn't he listening to the president of Yeouido? I don't understand why they're going out on the streets when they can pass all the bills at their disposal except for changing the gender, and now they're barely holding it out with the president's veto power, but they can deliver their voices to the people whether they're on the air or in the National Assembly. in this freezing cold So I went out on the street last time and thought if there were 17,000 or 18,000 people,

◆ Shin Yul: No. That's 300,000 Democratic captains.
◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: 300,000 people. No, so I'm going to do it then too.
◆ Shin Yul: The police estimate is 17,000 people, and TV Chosun calculated it, and they said it's 32,000 if it's very close.

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: It's very dense, but in my opinion, it's

◆ Rate : ratio of area to area now

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: I don't know why they're doing such a demonstration if the number of people from all over the country is that high. So if there are 32,000 people, if representative Lee Jae-myung speaks at the National Assembly, he will probably see 320,000. Don't you think so? And all the councilors are there. You can talk to your party members and put up banners in your district, but why are you saying that to go out on the street and prepare for a long padded coat in the freezing cold? You may still think you are a minority who is being suppressed in the era of democracy struggle in the past, but that's not true at all. I don't think it makes sense.

◆ Shin Yul: Okay. Anyway, I'm really curious about next week. Thank you for coming out today.

◇ Kim Jong-hyuk: Thank you.

◆ Shin Yul: Until now, I was the Supreme Council member Kim Jong Hyuk.