"Internal relationship? The narrative of the perpetrator's sentence commuted, there may be accomplices" Bae Sang-hoon ranted at the police announcement of "Cutting Murder."

- Prediction of planned crime? Judging the pattern by the number of fragments damaged

- Unable to control emotional arousal and excitement after murder

- Yang Kwang-jun, not psychopath, close to sociopath

- Internal relationship with the victim? The perpetrator's narrative of commutation, no victim's right to defend

- Police investigation practice makes it easy to follow the perpetrator's narrative.

YTN Radio (FM 94.5) [YTN News FM Wise Radio Life]
□ Broadcast Date: November 14, 2024 (Thursday)
□ Host: announcer Lee Hyun-woong
□ Cast: Bae Sang-hoon Profiler

- Internal relationships, politics, and key advice strategies from lawyers
- Army Lieutenant Colonel Murders in Cyber Operations Command Car Park? If no evidence is found, it could be 'accidental murder'
- Whether an accomplice or another victim
- Murder during a dispute with an adulterer, and if accepted, a sentence of less than seven years

* The text below may differ from the actual broadcast content, so please check the broadcast for more accurate information.

◆ announcer Lee Hyun-woong (hereinafter referred to as Lee Hyun-woong): There are two recent incidents that shocked our society. We talked about this in our wise radio life. The 38-year-old sergeant-turned-colonel Yang Kwang-joon's identity in the murder of the Hwacheon Bukhangang River has been revealed. Another incident was the death of a 4-year-old child by putting him upside down on a mat at a taekwondo center. CCTV was released a few days ago, and as you may know, it was a very shocking video. Let's talk more about these two events today. First, the profiler of Bae Sang-hoon, who raised the possibility of Yang Kwang-joon's planned crime, is connected. Hello, profiler.

◇ Sang-hoon Profiler (hereinafter referred to as Sang-hoon): Yes, hello.

◆Lee Hyun-woong: The criminal of the Hwacheon Bukhan River dismemberment murder case has been revealed, and the whole story has been revealed to some extent. When the case was first known and interviewed with us, it was planned, so you raised the possibility of a planned crime, and you hit it right.

◇ Sang-hoon: This kind of crime is likely to be a premeditated crime, so I said that, but I think the pattern is rather than a special hit.

◆ Lee Hyun-woong: You said that the pattern seems to be like that, what pattern are you talking about?

◇ Sang-hoon: Usually between these types of fragments, there's a standard for distinguishing between accidental ones inside them and planned ones behind them, or there's a certain line. It's damaged, but when you see it, it can't be accidental. That's the general standard we have. I analyzed it with that.

◆ Lee Hyun-woong: But on the other hand, I heard that there are many things that are not good enough.

◇ Sang-hoon: People who commit these kinds of crimes are now in a state of awakening after murder. So even though you've planned it, you often don't control that excited state. Planning and implementation There is an uneven, unbalanced, and a little delusional or inadequate part of the plan. So, what kind of plan you're going to get into a little bit of detail is what profilers are going to do, and comprehensively, depending on the degree of clumsiness, you're going to go into some kind of investigation or analysis.

◆ Lee Hyun-woong: From the circumstances that have been handed down so far, there are a lot of very cruel aspects and it is difficult to understand that this was done by ordinary people, so can it be considered as Yang Kwang-jun, a psychopath?

◇ Sang-hoon: It's actually independent of what is called psychopaths and brutality. Just because the crime is brutal, it's not a psychopath. In other words, it is specified as a psychopath's crime when the characteristic of imposing a crime on something planned and meticulous and whether the feelings about it are made insensitive. You don't judge it as a psychopath just because it's brutal. There are four elements of psychopath, and if a part of it can give some special score, I think it's possible as a psychopath of some type, but in my opinion, Yang Kwang-joon wants to give more points to someone who is closer to a sociopath than a psychopath

◆ Lee Hyun-woong: Okay. Yang Kwang-joon's personal information was revealed, and he is 38 years old from the army. The mugshot was also released. What did you think after looking at the released personal information?

◇ Sang-hoon: Considering the personal information and what other information has appeared on the Internet, I have a rough idea of what kind of crime he may have committed. So it was a criminal profile that did not deviate much from my expectations.

◆ Lee Hyun-woong: If you look at the process of revealing the whole story of the incident. The crime was committed based on the judgment that the police investigation results could not sustain an internal relationship. That's what I said. However, I understand that you criticized the police announcement very much that it was quite wrong. Why is that?

◇ Sang-hoon: Because this is entirely the criminal's claim. In other words, the criminal receives the help of a lawyer to create a favorable situation for his trial, but continues to insist that it is unconditionally a romantic relationship and an internal relationship. And in the process, the other person hits him or stimulates him or makes a narrative like this. Since it is the common precedent of our judiciary that if the trial proceeds according to the narrative, the sentence is largely reduced, so even if it is an actual internal relationship, the victim who can refute it has no right to defend it in the dead. I don't have anyone to argue that I'm not in an internal relationship, and it's not too appropriate to announce it like that in the mouth of the police, who are always public authorities. That's why I have to quote. In other words, the perpetrator's claim is that it is an internal relationship, but this will be revealed during the trial. I think you should have said it like this.

◆ Lee Hyun-woong: The content will vary considerably depending on whether the quotation marks are attached or not, so if you look at what you said, it can be said that the police made the presentation reflecting the so-called perpetrator's narrative. Why do you think it's been announced like this?

◇ Sang-hoon: It's just a practice that's been passed down from the past. Because the average perpetrator is a male and the victim is killed or unable to speak in a male-female relationship, and then it is very easy to investigate according to the perpetrator's narrative. Most of them are male police officers and if the perpetrators were like this, it's so convenient to write a report. I use it as much as I want. And the prosecution and the court accept it as it is, so as the Supreme Court said, the case law has no victim sensitivity at all. Isn't that why you asked me to change it? That is why the practice has been maintained for such a long time because of the convenience of investigation and the convenience of sight.

◆ Lee Hyun-woong: It's a very painful point. Yang Kwang-joon, in the end, seems to want to say that the victim also provided the cause, but this is also a strategy.

◇ Sang-hoon: The strategy is the main advice of lawyers. What's this because the victim stimulated you? It's a two-way street. He killed her accidentally during the assault on both sides. Yang Kwang-joon's argument and the lawyer's argument are. But I don't know if it really is. But if you unilaterally announce it in the media like this, the problem is that prosecutors and judges think they will re-investigate or watch it again. That's not how most investigations or trials are done. It is confirmed as it is because it is focused on confession, not material evidence. So, to put it more often than not, preconceived notions are built. That's why the sentence itself is absurdly low. For example, in the case of the murder of a medical student in Gangnam-gu, the medical student continued to claim that the criminal was a lover. But what does the victim's family say? Don't you say you were forced to marry? They weren't lovers at all. Or at least I didn't want it to be announced as a couple, but the police unilaterally announced it, so it's messed up right now during the trial? This is something that should be avoided and not avoided as a state investigative agency.

◆ Lee Hyun-woong: I think you're saying something very important one after another. Then, I wonder how the investigation process should be carried out in the future and what do you think if there is anything else that needs to be revealed?

◇ Sang-hoon: The plan for the future is actually, I still doubt that in this case, a significant Army lieutenant colonel can kill in the parking lot of the Cyber Operations Command. Because it is said that the construction site right next to it was damaged, but there is no evidence of that. It is said that the evidence of damage has disappeared, but I think this should be clarified. Because if this is not clear, the police's announcement of a premeditated crime could collapse. There is no choice but to go accidentally, and the other one is that he went to Hwacheon and speculated that he abandoned the damage, is there an accomplice in that part? Depending on whether you are an accomplice, the expandability of intervention comes out. We have to investigate that as well, but the police's investigation now is just about vague, so I'm very disappointed. In particular, there is clearly room for transfer, especially in the case of these criminals. So there's definitely another victim. So, if the victim of violence, not the victim of murder, also identifies it and clearly identifies what type this criminal is and what type he is, then you can say there is nothing.

◆ Lee Hyun-woong: So you're not following Yang Kwang-jun's argument, but you're saying that the investigation should be conducted with a wide range of possibilities, but you just mentioned your accomplice. How likely is there to be an accomplice?

◇ Sang-hoon: Because the cyber operator I mentioned earlier is a unit under the control of the Ministry of National Defense. They do psychological warfare against North Korea and other important tasks, but parking lot security is poor. I doubt that the people will understand this. Another thing is that Yang Kwang-joon damaged it and went to Hwacheon to burn something, but ordinary criminals are so confident that it is right to assume that there is a sympathizer or co-conspirator in the unit where they worked, even if they do not know the details of the case. So, what did you do there and the person who actually helped you may not know the details of the case, so you have to find out that. If the investigation is sloppy like this, will the people trust this?

◆ Lee Hyun-woong: He even said that there might be someone like that who unwittingly helped him participate in this case. In any case, many people were shocked to hear about this case, and I think it will be very important to see if proper punishment is carried out. How much do you expect Yang Kwang-jun's actual sentence to receive?

◇Bang Sang-hoon: So I think if a lot of people in the real sentence killed and abandoned them in such a brutal way, they would get a lot of sentences, but the reality is that it's not. Because if it was a murder in a quarrel with a sanggan girl between a lover and a sanggan girl, it goes back and forth for 10 years because the judges in Korea now see a lot of accidental side. In addition, the so-called cyber operation command will certainly reduce the state's contribution. And if you use various deposit systems or other systems, it may sound very funny to me, but the sentence may come out within seven years. But in reality, not many people thought that at all. So, I think that the unfairness of the victim's death can be resolved only when the investigation and motive are properly revealed.

◆ Lee Hyun-woong: Okay. That's all for today. You've been with Bae Sang-hoon as a profile. Thank you.