[News NIGHT] Lee Jae-myung's first trial for "violation of election law" is sentenced to prison...Lose the right to run for 10 years if confirmed.

■ Host: Anchor Sung Moon-gyu
■ Starring: Song Young-hoon, spokesman for the People's Power, Sung Chi-hoon, vice chairman of the Minjoo Party's Policy Committee

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[Anchor]
It's a focus night time to point out the news of political interest. Today, we will be joined by Song Young-hoon, spokesman for the People's Power, and Sung Chi-hoon, vice chairman of the Democratic Party's Policy Committee. How are you? As you can see, Lee Jae-myung of the Democratic Party received a one-year prison term, two years of probation, and a loss of his parliamentary seat in the first trial of a violation of the Public Official Election Act. If it is confirmed as it is, the right to run for election will be deprived for 10 years. If you are guilty or innocent, there were many predictions that it would be a fine or a prison sentence. Should we first hear the general review to see if you expected this much sentence?

[Song Young Hoon]
Before I talk about sentencing, I would like to say that I respect the decision of the court for judging according to law and conscience while protecting an independent judiciary without being shaken by political power and external pressure. Regarding the sentence, isn't it August to two years in prison if we go to the weighting area of the Supreme Court's sentencing standard? But today, he was sentenced to one year in prison and two years of probation. Then, a sentence that meets the Supreme Court's sentencing criteria was sentenced. In particular, in the case of CEO Lee Jae-myung, there are about six weighting factors on the sentencing criteria, but there is nothing to be considered as a reduction factor. So, false facts were related to very important matters about the candidate's evaluation, such as Daejang-dong and Baekhyun-dong, which are key issues of the last presidential election. Then, it was a very high-spread case through state audit remarks or high-spread broadcasts that the entire nation watched, and it could be considered that the crime method was bad, and the government announced false information through a state audit answer using its social status as the governor of Gyeonggi-do Province. These were all weighting factors in the Supreme Court's sentencing criteria table, so they were within the range that could have been expected if the court judged independently. Let me tell you this.

[Anchor]
He told me that it was within the range of preventable enough.

[Sung Chi Hoon]
First of all, I respect the judiciary's judgment.Ma is a regrettable ruling that has sided with all the prosecution's wrong prosecutions, and the Democratic Party's position is that it is a political ruling. However, he said that the ruling was appropriate regardless of the ruling party, but not many people in the ruling party predicted this kind of sentence. I would like to say that it is such an excessive judgment, and CEO Lee Jae-myung expressed his intention to appeal as soon as he came out, and this is only the first trial. Two more rulings remain. In fact, today's ruling has not yet been released because the second trial and the Supreme Court's ruling remain, but I would like to say that there will be enough room in the second and third trials because the court did not judge it because there was decisive evidence.

[Anchor]
That was a short review. Then let's take a look at the grounds on which the court said this today. He pleaded guilty to two of Lee's past remarks, saying they were publicizing false information. Then let's listen to the remarks on that issue first.

[Lee Jae-myung / Then-Democratic presidential candidate (Channel A 'Lee Jae-myung's Proposal - Conversation with Young People' in December 2021): I took a picture of four people from the People's Power and released it as if I played golf, but when I checked, some of our group photos were taken off and shown. It was manipulated. ]

[Lee Jae-myung / Then-Democratic presidential candidate (2021, Gyeonggi-do State Audit): If you don't change the use, I don't want you to threaten me and do everything.. ]

[Anchor]
Among Lee Jae-myung's remarks during the last presidential election process, there were two major crimes in violation of the election law. Let's take a look at the two first. First of all, the first statement that a photo taken at a golf course was fabricated was recognized as a false announcement, right?

[Song Young Hoon]
There was also a video in the news earlier. Here's the correct text for this part. People's Power took a picture of four people and released it as if I had played golf, but when I checked, some of our group photos were taken off and shown like this. It was manipulated. That's what Lee Jae-myung said at the time. This is how the court now sees this statement. The Supreme Court's precedent is how ordinary electors will receive and accept the remarks when judging whether or not to publish false information. It is judged based on the usual response. In other words, just as Lee Jae-myung said that he played golf with Kim Moon-ki, the first director of Seongnam Urban Development Corporation, at the time, that the fact that he played golf was manipulated, it is a statement that ordinary voters accept from the perspective of the average person. Therefore, this part is related to the act of not looking at golf in the end, so it corresponds to the act stipulated in Paragraph 2591 of the Public Official Election Act. That's why it can be punished by publicizing false information. The rest of the remarks related to Director Kim Moon-ki. In other words, I didn't know it when I was mayor, but I contacted him and found out when I was on trial in 2019 after becoming governor of Gyeonggi Province. These remarks, these things seem false overall, but they cannot be punished because they are not about actions. This is the court's judgment today.

[Anchor]
In fact, the remarks we paid attention to were made on SBS, and we did not know about former Chief Kim Moon-ki when he was in office. I paid attention here, but I think the court paid attention to the photo taken at the golf course, saying it was false.

[Sung Chi Hoon]
That's right. A statement that everyone didn't think was very important was actually guilty, but in fact, CEO Lee Jae-myung and his lawyer continue to insist that the statement was ultimately a fabrication of the photograph, and that the cut-out presentation was a fabrication.

[Anchor]
This is the picture. There's a whole group photo, but I only showed you a picture of four people and said this was manipulated.

[Sung Chi Hoon]
Maybe the context is that I said it was like a picture of me playing golf, but it's missing a few words. That's why just because you played golf can sound like a nuance that you didn't play golf. However, if you look at the overall context all the way back, isn't that a picture when you're playing golf? Didn't you claim the group photo as if it were a photo of four people playing golf after cutting it into four people? Therefore, it can be recognized that it did not actually play golf in the interpretation of the court now as a few letters were omitted from the process of saying manipulation. That's why I think you're claiming that it's a falsehood. Well, I would say that we need to support arguments that can be more emphasized in the second trial or later trial of the original purpose of this statement.

[Anchor]
And the second remark was made at the National Assembly, but it was intended to be threatened by the Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport to change the Baekhyun-dong site, which was also seen as a public announcement of false information.

[Song Young Hoon]
That's right. This part is much more obviously a false disclosure. At that time, in the response to the parliamentary audit of Gyeonggi-do Province on October 20, 2021, Lee Jae-myung, then governor of Gyeonggi-do Province, prepared a panel in advance and spoke while lifting it. On the panel was Article 43 (6) of the Special Act on the Transfer of Public Institutions, which is now renamed the Innovative City Act. At the same time, it was written that if the Minister of Land, Infrastructure and Transport requests the head of the organization for the relocation of public institutions, the head of the local government should change the management plan of the city, county and district. At the same time, CEO Lee Jae-myung says that if the Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport did not listen to this, he threatened to take issue with dereliction of duty, so he was forced to change the use. I used the expression intimidation clearly. However, if you look at the official letter, Seongnam City sends an official letter to the Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport to confirm when Lee Jae-myung was serving as Seongnam Mayor at the time. Is the official letter to cooperate so that the site can be quickly sold and utilized a request under Article 43 (6) of the Special Act on the Transfer of Public Institutions? That is, do we have a duty to follow? And how do I change the use? To ask this, the Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport is not a demand under Article 43-6. And the change of use is a matter for Seongnam City to make an appropriate judgment, that is, to decide on its own. There is an official letter left like this, and CEO Lee Jae-myung was also briefed on it when he was mayor of Seongnam. It's a clear falsehood. The legal community's view was very dominant that it was difficult to avoid the publication of false information even before the court was sentenced in the first place because he had prepared this intentionally and said it.

[Anchor]
I think that's what the court said. CEO Lee Jae-myung said he made his own judgment.

[Sung Chi Hoon]
First of all, what the Democratic Party is claiming is that that place was the National Audit Office. So, the basic position is that remarks made at the parliamentary audit, not at election speeches or debates, can only be punished for perjury if perjury is committed during the parliamentary audit, but not under the Public Official Election Act. And CEO Lee Jae-myung also admitted that the expression of intimidation was excessive. In the process of speaking, I even used the word "threat" because I was angry without realizing it, but I revised the expression, "I felt pressure rather than intimidation," and the reason for that expression was because 11 related official letters were sent to cooperate quickly. If you receive so many official letters to cooperate quickly, it will feel like pressure from Seongnam City. That's why I said that. I'm continuing to see if I've interpreted these things too much.

[Song Young Hoon]
Can I add a little bit? Wasn't the repurposing of Baekhyun-dong a green area of the Korea Food Research Institute at the time? Then, level 4 is vertically directed to a semi-residential area, which is very curved. This is the only case among the sites relocated to public institutions at that time. Today, the court decided to change the use of Lee Jae-myung when he was mayor of Seongnam. Didn't you judge it like this? What's behind it is that there is a ruling on Kim In-seop, a lobbyist in Baekhyun-dong. In Kim In-seop's case, the ruling has already been sentenced until the second trial. Kim In-seop was sentenced to five years in prison and the case is at the Supreme Court. Since the second trial was over, it should be considered that all the facts were recognized there, but in the process of repurposing Baekhyun-dong, Kim In-seop lobbied for Asian developer Jung Baul and others. So that can't be done by the threat of the Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport. Given the facts of the judgment, it seems that it would have been impossible for the court to judge differently.

[Anchor]
Representative Lee Jae-myung expressed his position that he would appeal immediately after the sentence. The ruling party responded that it should apologize even now, so let's listen to it one by one.

[Lee Jae-myung / Democratic Party leader: You will be appealed. It's a conclusion that's hard to accept from the recognition of basic facts. Our people will be able to reach a conclusion if they judge based on common sense and justice. Thank you.]

[Choo Kyung-ho / People's Power Floor Leader: I salute the decision of the judiciary. Now, I hope Chairman Lee Jae-myung and the Democratic Party will stop the show of force and sedition for Lee's innocence and bulletproofness and apologize for the cowardly lies even now. ]

[Anchor]
First of all, CEO Lee Jae-myung said that it was hard to accept when he came out of the court. The Democratic Party said it was a clear political judgment, but from the atmosphere that has been reported like this, it seems quite heated, what do you think?

[Sung Chi Hoon]
There's that kind of atmosphere. Because I would have expected a lot about the ruling of the Public Official Election Act, but I was relatively relieved compared to the perjury teacher ruling on the 25th. Because this is a matter of whether a statement that falls under the realm of freedom of expression enough to come out to prison like this. It is also true that the ruling was too excessive because everyone judged that it was an unexpected judgment because it was a public office election law that required the Democratic Party to spit out 43.4 billion won, or whether it was a statement beyond that level of freedom of expression. However, it is difficult to agree with floor leader Choo Kyung-ho's remarks because the Democratic Party of Korea continues to take to the streets because of Lee Jae-myung's bulletproofness, but we are asking you to look at them separately from the trial of Lee Jae-myung, not to respond to the public's desire for the independent counsel law.

[Anchor]
In the case of Supreme Council member Chung Chung-rae, he said he was angry about political judicial murder, and lawmaker Kim Yong-min said that it was an infringement of national sovereignty by a minority judge. Rep. Park Ji-won is a little different, but the judiciary should deal with it firmly because it is a three-trial system. That's what I said.

[Song Young Hoon]
First of all, the trend of Democrats still trying to intimidate the courts continues and, in a way, seems to be strengthening. Representatively, in the case of Rep. Kim Yong-min of the Democratic Party of Korea today, the court should be prepared for judgment by the people like the Yoon Suk Yeol regime. That's what I said. The court should be prepared for a public judgment on how a slightly unfavorable ruling was handed down against the leader of its own party. And can you say that you have to be judged by being equal to the regime? Then, if this trend continues, the Democratic Party will become increasingly isolated from the hearts of the people. So, they are openly threatening the judiciary right now, and aren't there any outdoor rallies tomorrow? They say they're having some kind of emergency joint meeting, but they'll probably attend the rally together after the joint meeting. But I don't know how voluntary the combination of ordinary citizens will be there. Isn't there an essay examination of 11 universities tomorrow? If such an outdoor rally is held in such a circumstance, it will increasingly be shunned by the general public. That's what I'm saying.

[Anchor]
So, tomorrow's outdoor rally is scheduled, and some say that the Democratic Party of Korea will have more to do with today's ruling, but is tomorrow's outdoor rally completely irrelevant to today's ruling?

[Sung Chi Hoon]
It's irrelevant. Among the remarks that came out there, those who are enraged may mention the ruling of Representative Lee Jae-myung, but most of those who come out are asked to get the Special Prosecutor's Act of Kim Gun-hee. The Kim Gun-hee Special Prosecutor Act is what the absolute majority of the people are demanding, but if Representative Lee Jae-myung is found guilty, we can stop it and proceed if he is found innocent, right? Since it is a completely separate matter, I think the people will continue to distinguish and judge the same. Although Lee Jae-myung's ruling came out unfortunately from the perspective of the Democratic Party, the people said that Lee Jae-myung's trial is only a trial and what he originally demanded. I'm telling you that the rally will continue in that sense because I think there will still be voices from the public to resolve the suspicions by pushing for the Special Prosecutor's Act on Kim Gun-hee.

[Anchor]
Representative Lee Jae-myung said earlier that there are still two more courts left. What will happen in the second trial? Will the sentence change a lot?

[Song Young Hoon]
According to Supreme Court precedents, there is little possibility of change. The Supreme Court's case in 2015 is that compared to the first trial, there is no change in the conditions of sentencing, and unless the sentencing of the first trial is beyond the reasonable scope of its discretion, the appeals court should respect the sentencing of the first trial as much as possible. Since the Supreme Court precedent came out, the number of changes in the sentencing of the first trial in the appeal trial has been significantly decreasing over the past decade. So, in the case of CEO Lee Jae-myung, if he wants to lower his sentence at the appeal trial, he should start by acknowledging and reflecting on a series of false disclosures now. But what happens if that happens? Daejang-dong and Baekhyun-dong are on trial right now, and it could have a decisive and fatal impact on that trial. Therefore, it will not be easy to change the strategy, and even though the first trial decided that it was not about the act of not knowing Kim Moon-ki, the first director of Seongnam Urban Development Corporation's development, it is difficult to rule out the possibility of the sentencing going up at the appeal trial.

[Sung Chi Hoon]
From our party's point of view, I want to repeat that we should just accept it humbly. There were a lot of things I wanted earlier, but isn't what Rep. Park Ji-won said the reaction our party should go to? While waiting humbly, spokesman Song Young-hoon pointed out earlier, such things as criticism of judges may feel unnecessary to the public. That's why we need to prepare for the second trial while getting more logical. Because as I said earlier, the first trial ruling did not make the ruling just because there was some conclusive evidence, but because the judge saw that it was right to interpret Lee Jae-myung's remarks in this way, I think whether Lee Jae-myung's remarks will be viewed like this or that may vary depending on the judge. Therefore, I would like to say that it is necessary to humbly prepare such things so that the voice of Representative Lee Jae-myung can be reflected more.

[Anchor]
But when will the second trial ruling come out? The first trial came out two years and two months after he was indicted.

[Sung Chi Hoon]
In fact, Chief Justice Cho Hee-dae emphasized the 633 principle and said that we should go so fast. Six months in the first trial, three months in the second trial, and three months in the Supreme Court must be completed within a year. The first trial was decided a little late, but for the Democratic Party, there is nothing good or bad about such a ruling being prolonged. That's why many people want a quick ruling, so it should be done within three months, but instead, it should not be rushed too quickly, and the second trial court is wisely waiting for the second trial to decide not to be too late.

[Anchor]
According to the original regulations, it should be done within three months.

[Song Young Hoon]
CEO Lee Jae-myung has experienced doing so. When he was indicted for publicizing false information after the 2018 Gyeonggi-do governor election, the case indicted on December 12, 2018, was sentenced to the first trial on May 16 of the following year. It didn't take six months. And the appeals court went up on May 27 and sentenced on September 6 and took three months and 10 days, so just 102 days. CEO Lee Jae-myung must be very afraid now because he has experienced it himself. If the 633 principle is followed accurately, CEO Lee Jae-myung has six months left at the most. So what should the Democratic Party do at this point? It is time to break up with Chairman Lee Jae-myung, find a new alternative and take the right path, instead of showing such an attitude that seems to threaten the court by holding outdoor rallies and moving away from the people's hearts. I told you this before on YTN.You don't need a rooster that cries after the sun rises in the middle of the sky. The chicken is supposed to cry at dawn, but now the first trial ruling has been sentenced and CEO Lee Jae-myung has only six months left. I would like to say once again that this is the dawn to cry for the meaningful politicians of the Democratic Party.

[Anchor]
Today, representative Lee Jae-myung's first trial ruling on violation of the election law came out, judicial judgment was made, and I'm very curious about the political impact now. So far, the party has been reorganized under the Lee Jae-myung unilateral system, so there is a possibility that the Democratic Party of Korea will fall into confusion even though it is the first trial. What do you think about these projections?

[Sung Chi Hoon]
There are much more predictions that this will not be the case for the time being. Of course, there may be people who are anxious because the ruling of CEO Lee Jae-myung came out too much than expected.Ma is much bigger than the anxiety related to Lee Jae-myung's judicial risk because he is much more angry about Kim Gun-hee and President Yoon Suk Yeol's state administration, so I think the atmosphere that we should refrain from speaking different voices as much as possible in order to fight harder without being divided at this time.

[Anchor]
Chairman Lee Jae-myung will also work unwavering at the National Assembly today. I said that at the Supreme Council meeting, but I should ask you this again. How do you see the possibility of the Scream rallying and finding an alternative runner?

[Sung Chi Hoon]
Even if there is such a movement, I don't think you will do anything that appears on the surface. Rather, wouldn't it be possible to act as if you were waiting if you suddenly started acting at a time like this? So, even within the screaming world, I don't want to move like that. . I don't think there are people who prepare by waiting until the second trial or later, but I don't think there will be people who suddenly say, "Look at this, isn't the first trial decided?"

[Anchor]
What do you think of the ruling party?

[Song Young Hoon]
He says he will go without shaking on the outside, but I don't think that time will be that long. What's on the 25th of this month right now? There's a perjury teacher's case. The person who knows best which criminal cases are most threatening to you is the defendant himself. In this election law case, CEO Lee Jae-myung did not issue an affidavit or something at the end of the day. However, I have already decided on the perjury teacher case, but all of a sudden, I issued a 16-page defendant's statement and claimed through social media that I was not guilty and that I was a failed teacher. It's proof that he feels much more threatening about the perjury teacher case, which has been sentenced to three years in prison. However, in an election law case that would have felt less threatening, he was sentenced to one year in prison and two years of probation. Then how about the perjury teacher case? Once that possibility becomes a reality, there will be a huge shock wave for the Democratic Party and then a struggle for change. Because I've been putting eggs in one basket. Then, considerable confusion will be inevitable in the process of pain, and in that case, the power of the people should take the center stage as the ruling party, take care of people's livelihoods, and revive the economy. That's what I'm saying.

[Anchor]
In September last year, the court rejected the representative Lee's warrant, saying that the perjury teacher charge seemed to be cleared, but there was a case of dismissing the warrant. And the prosecution also demanded two years in prison regarding the election law, and three years in prison regarding perjury teachers, so I wonder how the ruling will be made on the 25th.

[Sung Chi Hoon]
In fact, isn't this case a perjury teacher that comes out on the 25th much simpler than the Public Official Election Act? However, in fact, CEO Lee Jae-myung kept repeating himself in the full 30-minute transcript that was revealed during the trial. Since he is a legal professional, he recognized the dangers of the call and talked on the phone. Therefore, he may be considered a perjury teacher, so please continue to tell him the truth. I'm not telling you to make up what I don't have. If you don't remember, try to bring back memories. I've asked for it over and over again. Therefore, at the party level, there is more solid evidence in relation to the Public Official Election Act. Of course, there are unfavorable factors because the court judges the call for about 30 minutes. Because Kim Jin-sung said he perjured himself, it can be judged to be disadvantageous in that regard, but the Democratic Party seems to judge that it is worth arguing over because there is evidence favorable to both sides.

[Anchor]
In today's first trial, he was sentenced to a heavier sentence than expected, and I wonder what the ruling will be on the 25th, which the opposition party is worried about. Let's take a look at it from the ruling party's point of view. In the meantime, there has been a lot of focus on the Kim Gun-hee issue and the suspicion of Myung Tae-kyun. Can this be an opportunity to change the atmosphere? What do you think?

[Song Young Hoon]
If you try to get a reflective profit from the conviction of representative Lee Jae-myung, the public will probably notice it quickly. So you shouldn't try to make politics that easy, and fortunately, there have been various movements and efforts within the ruling party to change and reform. Representatively, he has actively demanded the president to reform state administration, personnel reform, and resolve the issue of First Lady Kim Gun-hee. Also, hasn't the party recently decided to proceed with the special procedure for the special inspector as soon as possible? Looking at such situations, these moves for change and reform should continue regardless of the ruling on representative Lee Jae-myung. Only then can we create an environment in which the public sentiment leaving the Democratic Party of Korea can be transferred to the power of the people without going to the independent or other places in the situation where representative Lee Jae-myung's crimes are now revealed. If you neglect such efforts and try to get only reflective benefits, you won't lose your sense of lying under a tree. I'd like to say that.

[Anchor]
As you said, the special inspector has been approved without any special noise, and all that is left is the re-vote of the Special Prosecutor Act, which is scheduled for the 28th. Come to think of it, it's three days after the first trial of the perjury teacher case on the 25th. What will happen then?

[Song Young Hoon]
Aren't the independent counsel laws that the Democratic Party is pursuing now continuously patterned third-party independent counsel laws? So, there has been no change at all in that it only borrows the hands of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. Even if the opposition party continues to have the right to veto the independent counsel candidate recommended by the chief justice, even if the chief justice recommends the independent counsel candidate, it will eventually choose an independent counsel that suits the taste of the opposition party. So there is no change in the nature of choosing the special prosecutor I want and accepting the results that suit my taste. In my view, the result will not be much different from the vote so far, as most people in the People's Power Party share their perception on that point. I think you can expect it like this.

[Anchor]
How do you expect the ruling party's future moves from the opposition party's perspective?

[Sung Chi Hoon]
Keep reporting the Special Counsel Act again and again like this, report it again. If you protest every time you listen to what the Democratic Party demands, as if your boss asks your subordinates to submit the report again, I think the people will probably judge that the power of the people was too much. Because there is a criticism that this special prosecution law is not a department store-style list, so I chose two. The two things that CEO Han Dong-hoon always mentioned were from the public's perspective. Before the non-prosecution ruling on Deutsche Motors stock price manipulation, CEO Han Dong-hoon said there should be a decision that meets the public's expectation. That's why Deutsche Motors' stock price manipulation was suspected. And CEO Han Dong-hoon also said that it would be necessary to clarify and explain the suspicions of nomination intervention related to Myung Tae-kyun according to the public's eye level. That's why I put that in too. I've chosen two. However, in terms of the recommendation method, only the pattern is said to be a third-party special prosecutor's law because of one non-local authority, so are we going to get it without the non-local authority? Until the end, I don't have the courage to receive the power of the people on the special prosecution law, and I don't have the courage to say that we won't do the special prosecution. Because the majority of the people want the independent counsel law, they don't have the courage to say that it's not necessary. At the same time, the people's power is being criticized and criticized only for the Democratic Party's proposal without the courage to receive it, so the result of Lee Jae-myung's ruling is obscured, so the people's power may not be relieved that they don't have to do a special prosecution anymore, but the people won't think so. I think you will wisely separate the two and continue to voice the independent counsel law.

[Song Young Hoon]
I'll tell you that part for 20 seconds. It's not that I can't tell you from the power of the people. I don't do it because I don't have to tell you. Because there is a law in Korea on the appointment of special prosecutors and the permanent special prosecutors in 2014. As a sub-rule, the National Assembly has decided how to organize the Special Counsel Recommendation Committee, but it is very neutral. It is supposed to consist of two ruling parties, two opposition parties, then the deputy chief of the court administration, the vice justice minister, and the chairman of the Korean Bar Association. Didn't the Democratic Party try to revise even the National Assembly rules at will? So, I'm not doing it because I don't have to tell you anymore because I've consistently shown that I don't give up on choosing an independent counsel candidate at will.

[Anchor]
In the midst of this, another poll of approval ratings for President Yoon came out today, and it was a Gallup poll that rebounded slightly from a week ago, but it was 20% because there was a positive rating of 3 percentage points from a week ago. The negative rating fell a little, to 71%. What kind of influence should I have on this? President Yoon's public apology might have had some impact.

[Song Young Hoon]
First of all, there was an apology, and then there was a strict order for Kim Gun-hee to stop her activities without accompanying her on the tour. So, should I express it as a tentative return of support that I will see how we do in the future? I think there's a movement like that. That's why Daegu and Gyeongbuk are traditional supporters. Presidential approval ratings have slightly recovered, mainly in Daegu and Gyeongbuk and those in their 70s. I don't think there's anything to be relieved about just a week's rebound. At times like this, he promised to the people through his last public statement and press conference. So, Kim Gun-hee's very clear suspension of activities. In particular, I think tangible measures should be supported in detail and speedily in personnel reshuffles. If there is no such follow-up hit, I would like to personally say that this approval rating should not be compared to this because it is an approval rating that can fall back at any time.

[Anchor] How did you see Vice Chairman
Sung?

[Sung Chi Hoon]
Since President Yoon Suk Yeol's public statement, CEO Han Dong-hoon's attitude has changed. Until then, he had strongly called for change from the president, but since then, he has been virtually silent and turned the rhetoric into a conservative gathering. As that happened, the people who supported Han Dong-hoon gathered a little bit. I don't know if the data is ready now, but the party's approval rating and the people's power party's approval rating have fallen. In view of that, there may be some consolidation of conservatives, but more and more people are disappointed with the voice that the supporters of the people's power wanted to change the president and pursue a reform of state affairs by taking a stronger drive. Therefore, I believe that the public's support rate has declined, so even if we unite like this, we cannot run the state administration with that support rate, which has no choice but to stay in the 20% range. That is why I would like to say that it is more necessary for Representative Han Dong-hoon to demand a stronger message of change from the President in order to raise the approval rating of the people.

[Anchor]
Some of Lee Jae-myung's judicial risks were revealed today, but by the judiciary. That doesn't mean that the ruling party doesn't have risks now. There are things that are ongoing. Mrs. Risk. That's right. The risk of intervention in the presidential nomination continues to rise. Following former lawmaker Kim Young-sun, Lee Joon-seok claimed that he interfered in the nomination of Pohang mayor and the election of Gangseo-gu mayor. Let's listen to Lee's voice.

[Lee Jun-seok/Representative of the New Reform Party] When the president contacted me at that time, I was very aware of the problem because it was already mentioned, so to mention Pohang and Gangseo (Seoul), what (President Yoon) emphasized was, 'No, CEO. "Isn't nomination supposed to be done with the chairman of the party's cooperation committee?" He said that to me.. (Seoul) Gangseo-gu said, "They are strange people, so they shouldn't do good things for the Democratic Party, shouldn't they nominate Kim Tae-woo?" You're making specific interventions for each person by looking at people.... ]

[Anchor]
Rep. Lee Joon-seok said so yesterday, vaguely, the mayor and the mayor of the district, but today, the mayor of Pohang and the mayor of Gangseo-gu talked specifically. Presidential nomination intervention... I don't know if the term "nomination intervention" is right.How about Ma? If true, how do you judge whether this was appropriate?

[Song Young Hoon]
But at this stage, it's lawmaker Lee Joon-seok's argument. And the background of lawmaker Lee Joon-seok's remarks now is that according to his lawyer, the prosecution asked various questions with specific data on the relationship between Myung Tae-kyun and lawmaker Lee Joon-seok during the investigation process, right? In particular, Rep. Lee Joon-seok talked about the nomination at 00:20 a.m. on May 9, 2022, through KakaoTalk messages exchanged with former Rep. Kim Young-sun about the nomination, and at a very late time, he was considered a political broker, not a member of the party or a politician. In fact, we planted red plum blossoms together at 4 a.m. at Chilbulsa Temple.E. Such a relationship has also been highlighted, and recently, there have been reports that Myung Tae-kyun called Rep. Lee Joon-seok, who is on a business trip to South America, through prepaid phones. Therefore, it is questionable whether he intended to divert attention or attention from others. That's why there are a lot of people involved in this part, right? Representatively, there will be Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun, who was the chairman of the mission committee at the time. After listening to the positions of the people involved, it is necessary to find out which ones are accurate facts. That's what I think.

[Anchor]
So I don't know how far this goes, but I don't know if there's a certain line. Because I don't know if First Lady Kim Gun-hee intervened in the nomination or Myung Tae-kyun intervened in the nomination, but yesterday, Rep. Lee Joon-seok said that. The president and the party leader said, "Isn't it possible to talk about that?" How far does this matter?

[Song Young Hoon]
Speaking of legal lines, I think it will be very difficult to express any opinions in the position of the president-elect in law. However, what the people are interested in now is that they have a question mark about whether it is appropriate from the public's perspective or from a political perspective before the legal part, so for now, we will not put the argument on the legal part ahead, but there are some parts where the words of those involved are slightly different and very different. So now, just because one party claimed it, it doesn't mean you can conclude it prematurely, but Myung Tae-kyun was arrested. Then, in addition to the violation of the Political Fund Act, which was the direct reason for the arrest, the prosecution will investigate the rest of the allegations quite extensively. Looking at the trend, I think it would be better to clearly cover the facts one by one and then discuss them.

[Anchor] Mr.
Sung.

[Sung Chi Hoon]
If what Rep. Lee Joon-seok said is true, it's a very serious story. First of all, it was revealed that the president lied again in his last public conversation. At the time, I said I never asked anyone to nominate me. But now, Rep. Lee Joon-seok is specifically telling me that he is definitely nominating someone. I think Lee Joon-seok probably has a transcript of the call. If it is made public, it is very serious at that point because the remarks made in the president's public statement prove to be 100% a lie, and making such a recommendation as the president-elect can also be problematic enough. Those who say it's okay because they're the president-elect and because they're the president-elect can infer that the president-elect shouldn't do such a thing by saying he has enough status as a public official according to previous precedents or constitutional court rulings, so I think Rep. Lee Joon-seok will have no choice but to solve it while responding to the prosecution's investigation. In the process, I believe that if such data are released, the suspicion of the president's intervention in the nomination will intensify.

[Anchor]
Let's watch what's going on in the future. So far, Song Young-hoon, spokesman for the People's Power, and Sung Chi-hoon, vice chairman of the Democratic Party's Policy Committee. Thank you.