[Cleaning] Dinner with the president's office and the ruling party's floor leadership...Except for CEO Han Dong-hoon?

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■ Starring: Shin Ji-ho, Vice-President of the People's Power Strategy Planning, former Democratic Party lawmaker Kim Hyung-joo

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[Anchor]
a political commentary with a lively angle Let's get started on time. Today, Shin Ji-ho, the Vice-President of the Strategic Planning Department of the People's Power, and Kim Hyung-joo, the former lawmaker, came out. Welcome. Let's check the content of the first keyword. Please show us. Except for Han Donghoon?

There is another dinner in the presidential office today. It is said that the ruling party's floor leadership was invited. Former lawmaker Kim Hyung-joo, I think it's been less than 10 days since we had a meat dinner, but he said he will meet again without CEO Han Dong-hoon from the list.

[Kim Hyung-joo]
Well, ahead of the parliamentary audit, the president shows a large-scale appearance, including the executive secretary, with the appearance of each standing committee chairman or floor justification. However, if this was the case, wouldn't it have been better for CEO Han Dong-hoon to be a proportional representative from the beginning, so I feel alienated like this.

I'm going to have a meeting with the chairmen of the outside district party and the outside party cooperation committee.Ma had one meeting except for CEO Han Dong-hoon, and the last meeting requested a solo meeting, but it was noisy because of that, and it wasn't long since it ended, so he had a similar meeting, but he actually left. So, there are a number of urgent medical problems and people's livelihoods led by themselves, but it's a signal that they won't meet 1:1 with representatives, and of course, it's a meeting ahead of the parliamentary audit and regular parliamentary session.Ma thinks that members of the party, especially members of the National Assembly, must be very tired of watching from one side to the other.

[Anchor]
Anyway, I'm saying that only the badge should come tonight. Since CEO Han Dong-hoon is out of the office, CEO Han Dong-hoon will not attend, but of course, there seems to be a lot of interpretations that encourage people like this ahead of the parliamentary inspection.

[Shin Ji-ho]
However, what the floor leadership, standing committee chairmen, and secretaries did before the parliamentary inspection was always done at the previous Blue House. It's an extension of that. However, in a situation where the so-called Yoon Han-han's private meeting failed, today's dinner meeting has led to various interpretations, and CEO Han Dong-hoon has not expressed any discomfort or sadness about it.

[Anchor]
That's possible, is this the reaction?

[Shin Ji-ho]
And today, the floor leader and the standing chairman meet like this, so I think there will be a meeting with the party leader soon.

[Anchor]
It's good to have more side dishes. I'll see if there'll be another chance to meet you next time. Anyway, there are talks about the absence of CEO Han Dong-hoon from the list. Let's listen to it.

[Shin Dong-wook / Senior spokesman for the People's Power (Yesterday, SBS 'Kim Tae-hyun's Political Show')] If we have a dinner, I think this will be a place to encourage people before the parliamentary audit. If representative Han Dong-hoon comes here again, the purpose of this dinner is not actually there, and all the issues will go to whether the party leader and the president had a private meeting or not. If so, the problem should be solved separately, but if you look at it from the perspective of why CEO Han Dong-hoon is missing every time there is a dinner or meal, it is not appropriate. ]

[Kim Boo-kyum / Former Prime Minister (CBS 'Kim Hyun-jung's News Show'): There is a rumor that the president and representative Han Dong-hoon are not good together. Do you need to confirm it to this extent? (Does it feel like you're confirming and killing)? So instead of doing that, I'll have a separate meeting with Han to solve various pending issues. You can do that. Does the president lose face if he does that? You can't do that just because you're offended by the president. ]

[Anchor]
I think this is the view of former Prime Minister Kim Boo-kyum as to whether we should do this at a time when rumors are spreading that the two are not getting along well.

[Kim Hyung-joo]
To put it simply, as Representative Shin Ji-ho said last time, there was also a weekly meeting in the past, right? Does it need to be this hard to meet once like this? If you've had a solo meeting for a long time or a short time, you don't have to talk about it again, but I think the presidential office is accumulating this fatigue on its own.

[Anchor]
But actually, it's not weird to sing it today.

[Kim Hyung-joo]
That's right. In reality, the party is actually centered on the floor leader if it is a cabinet system, but Korea has a party leader and a floor leader anyway, although it is deformed. Then, in the parliamentary inspection part, the party's biggest one-top leader is still the leader, so if you say you're going to work with the party leader and the floor leader, who will say something?

Rather, if we had CEO Han Dong-hoon, the Yoon Han conflict would disappear, and if the two of you talk about a private meeting, it could be a part that can be a hit and miss in a way, as it is commonly said.

[Anchor]
The worse the relationship, the more often we meet to talk and we can get along.

[Kim Hyung-joo]
That's why we need to meet at least a show-off ceremony.

[Anchor]
Anyway, I think there's a view that's unfortunate about that. But isn't CEO Han Dong-hoon also avoiding the president? Because a few days ago, CEO Han Dong-hoon canceled the press launch ceremony attended by the president and didn't go. How do I look at that?

[Shin Ji-ho]
So why didn't you come to it, why was it canceled just before. That's why some speculated that CEO Han Dong-hoon avoided it on purpose, but that's groundless. There is an emergency meeting with a medical official and an emergency lightning meeting. I did it because it was suddenly caught, and it was in the final decision-making stage of the legislative council.

[Anchor]
He said that it's better not to misunderstand.

[Shin Ji-ho]
In order to dispel these unnecessary misunderstandings, we need to meet quickly.

[Anchor]
Anyway, the Democratic Party made this comment regarding today's dinner meeting without representative Han Dong-hoon. I said that it makes politics a little worse. This is the briefing for Han Min-soo's spokesperson. I talked about having a dinner without CEO Han Dong-hoon, who constantly demands a private meeting, saying, "I can see you." Is it because Han is an outsider who does not have the right to vote when re-voting? I talked about whether it was because the special prosecutor had a different voice from the president.

So, before today's dinner, we broke the news.Ma seems to be the view that this is a crackdown on votes because today is the day President Yoon Suk Yeol exercised his right to request reconsideration and veto the Kim Gun-hee independent counsel law.

[Kim Hyung-joo]
As an opposition party, I think I can criticize that. In that sense, I think we need to meet quickly to resolve the misunderstanding and close the gap, otherwise, we will have to continue to be attacked by the opposition party, whether or not it has grounds. On the other hand, representative Han Dong-hoon also needs to decide and organize whether to conduct an independent investigation on Kim Gun-hee's part, whether it is a third alternative or not.

I think I should say that I am constantly being attacked by the opposition party because I still don't know what position I am in.

[Anchor]
Can we talk about ticket control today?

[Kim Hyung-joo]
I wouldn't say that with all my heart about ticket control. I know why we're together. That's why. For now, if the people going to the presidential office have to crack down on the votes, it will be in a very serious state, but not yet. [Anchor] It's not a sense of crisis. Anyway, Kim Gun-hee's independent counsel law has been handed over to the National Assembly again, and if eight votes are cast away from the re-voting, it will be passed, so some say that it is a specific vote control among those who are having dinner today, and what happens when the standing committee members play a specific role?

[Shin Ji-ho]
There are 17 standing committees in the National Assembly after the floor leadership? But there are only a few of them where our party chairs the committee. The standing committee, which is not the chairman of our party after the chairman of our party, is an secretary, so maybe there will be nearly 30 people in the ruling party alone. It's a lot more than the last meat dinner.

So vote control, this is the media's interpretation of the situation, so it can be seen in that context because we exercised our veto right again today, but there will be no conversation about vote control. About 30 to 40 people are eating, but security is strictly secured? It's not like that either. It leaks out again. The president talked about ticket control, so how long does it look?

[Anchor]
Anyway, what do you think of the possibility of saying that an apology is needed at this point in relation to the Kim Gun-hee issue at today's meeting?

[Shin Ji-ho]
There should be a big member of the ruling party who went, but I'm not sure.

[Anchor]
There is a lot of public opinion within the party right now, but doesn't Vice-President Shin Ji-ho still need an apology at this point?

[Shin Ji-ho]
I look at it like this. Hasn't the first trial date been set for the two representatives, Lee Jae-myung? However, it is a completely different case in the head of the Democratic Party, but I think the results of the president's impeachment and Lee Jae-myung's trial will be bad. Disagreeing the results of the trial is intertwined with the back and forth of the coin.

So somehow, the impeachment of the president, isn't it possible to bring eight seats from the National Assembly? I can't help but think about the early presidential election after somehow passing the impeachment prosecution, suspending the president from his job.

So, when Lee Jae-myung is convicted in the first trial and his next presidential bid is uncertain, there is no other way to break through than early presidential election. Early presidential elections are only possible with the impeachment of the president. That's why it's like this. So what must be observed in the presidential office?

That's what I can do more flexibly to keep the eight votes from leaving. It is necessary to take a more strategic approach by distinguishing this. In this regard, we understand that public opinion has deteriorated considerably in relation to First Lady Kim Gun-hee, so we will make a sincere apology to alleviate the angry public sentiment, or any subsequent activities and behaviors. I'm looking at these things to see if they're necessary.

[Anchor]
See other voices in the party during the impeachment of former President Park Geun Hye. Some people say that if you apologize, it will collapse. What do you think is a wise move?

[Kim Hyung-joo]
It's already quite late to apologize. There have been discussions since the beginning of this year, but I haven't been doing it well. Even if I don't apologize implicitly, the president. I was going to say the second part of the room, and I heard it was already working.Ma will repeal the Second Annex again. Then, I will appoint a special inspector, and he said around this, which is equivalent to an apology. Is the president seriously thinking about the lady part? It seems that it is possible to show the public the signal that there is

. And looking at that trend, you can't get your head around it because of what's happening every day. There's also Deutsche Motors in the past.What's happening now is that the president's wife's intervention in the nomination or various cases is being discussed day after day.

If you don't catch this at this point, you'll have a lot more consequences if your approval rating drops further. In that sense, I would like to say that at least the presidential office should give a changed signal.

[Anchor]
Inside the power of the people, there is also this talk. It's good to defend yourself, but give us a justification. Let's listen to it.

[Kim Yong-tae / Member of the People's Power (CBS 'Park Jae-hong's Roundup' on the 27th of last month): I wish the ruling party could be given a justification to defend the woman. So no matter what you do about her now, whether you do the right thing or the wrong thing, you have a high unfavorability for her, so all the arrows of criticism are bound to go to her. It's not that the ruling party can't defend itself, but if you first express your position on a series of processes and take an open step, the ruling party can fully defend itself. But now that you do this without expressing your position, the ruling party has to meet the public's eye level and then it's difficult to defend itself. ]

[Anchor]
Apart from apologies, wouldn't there be a justification for us to defend ourselves only if we gave some objective explanation? It was this kind of honest talk from a congressman.

[Shin Ji-ho]
I think it's a very honest story. Regardless of which faction, I think that's the mind of most members of the ruling party. Didn't the president apologize for the luxury bag issue at the press conference for the 2nd anniversary of his inauguration on May 10th? However, Mrs. Kim, who is actually in charge, has not yet made a proper apology. I’m late already. I think I missed the timing, and now it's not a matter of apologizing for a luxury bag, but I sincerely apologize for causing various public suspicions and public anger, and there is considerable public anger over the recent Mapo Bridge patrol.

I think it's necessary to express a position that can calm such public anger, such as how to do activities in the future.

[Anchor]
Some say that it is the right time to get the results because it is a big-box luxury bag case and Deutsche Motors, but Deutsche Motors is investigating.

[Kim Hyung-joo]
But if that's the timing, isn't it just to wait unconditionally? Like last time, the president is investigating the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit as well as the special prosecutor Chae, so wait and see, when you say that if the results of the investigation are insufficient, you should have let me go, the president is the one to say.

However, in fact, the time for the people to trust it is gradually disappearing. It is also true that this is not just a matter of Deutsche Motors or luxury bags, but rather that it is already known and is being organized to some extent. Whether there are legal limitations or whatever, whether the statute of limitations is over or whatever.

That's right. In that sense, the presidential office is a little nervous about this, and things like Mapo Bridge were not appropriate despite good intentions such as suicide prevention.

The way to minimize the unique areas that Mrs. Lee can do, and in that sense, I will limit her to these areas, either directly by the President or, as I said earlier, by the Chief of Staff to the President. In order to do so, there should be a statement that the senior presidential secretary for civil affairs will strengthen it now or appoint a special inspector so that the public and supporters will not be dissatisfied with it.

[Anchor]
In any case, another veto of the Special Prosecutor's Act on Kim Gun-hee came out today. Another detonator has emerged in the conflict between the presidential office and representative Han Dong-hoon. This time, it is a rippling of a recording of a call from a person from the presidential office. CEO Han Dong-hoon posted this on social media. Please show us the graphic. The wavelength of the Kim Dae-nam transcript is growing within the party.

An auditor of a government-invested financial institution said, "Attack me somehow," while talking directly to a left-wing YouTuber during the last national convention. I wrote to the people and party members that I am ashamed and pathetic how they will see this. Can you show me the next graphic as well?

This is what it's about. Kim Dae-nam, a former senior administrator at the presidential office, said this in a phone call with Sound of Seoul on YouTube. This is because there were reports that if you plan well this time and hit candidate Han Dong-hoon in Sound of Seoul, she would like it. A person named Kim Dae Nam, it might be a little unfamiliar, what kind of person is he?

[Shin Ji-ho]
Kim Dae-nam's presidential camp was formed in 2021 when the then-candidate Yoon Suk Yeol challenged for the presidential election. At that time, he joined the presidential campaign as a practitioner of the organization headquarters who came to the presidential camp and managed the fan club, and then went to the presidential office's civil society office in Yongsan to manage conservative right-wing groups. However, during the national convention on July 23, Na Kyung-won served as a special assistant at the camp.

What's being said now is that what's problematic is when she was a special advisor to Na Kyung-won's camp, but Na Kyung-won expressed her position that it has nothing to do with her. What is shocking, however, is that Lee Myung-soo, the voice of Seoul, caused a huge stir during the presidential election process with his seven-hour transcript with Kim Gun-hee?

How did you talk to someone like that for 11 months? And you can have uncomfortable negative feelings about candidate Han Dong-hoon, but how can you use a left-wing YouTuber to ask him to break it instead? Giving information, the ingredients. Peel Han Dong-hoon while providing material to lay Han Dong-hoon. Actually, it was reported.

It was reported, and the contenders of Han Dong-hoon, the candidate for the national convention at the time, used it in the broadcast debate. So how can that be? Something that couldn't happen happened. So our party launched a fact-finding investigation today.

It's very likely that it's a serious act and a violation of the current law, but whether that's Kim Dae-nam's personal deviation or someone behind him and moved systematically, that should be revealed in the future investigation process.

[Anchor]
So, in summary, I think CEO Han Dong-hoon's official raising of this issue on social media cannot be overlooked, and for this matter, are we going into the audit in earnest?

[Shin Ji-ho]
According to our party's constitutional rules, the term of fact-finding would be the most appropriate.

[Anchor]
I'm going into a fact-finding mission. But I think many people will be puzzled. A person who worked as an administrator in the president's office ordered a progressive media reporter to attack Han Dong-hoon. This is the flow. How can I understand this?

[Kim Hyung-joo]
He was only five or six months old when he worked in the presidential office. After working from May to mid-October 2022, he left the presidential office to run for the first general election, and registered as a preliminary candidate for Yongin Gap. But I came out under the title of Administrator of the Presidential Office.Ma was cut off because he was strategically nominated by Secretary Yeom.

In any case, this happened while applying for a specific candidate during the last party leadership election, but his explanation is unclear because he is not familiar with the position of the president and the president's office, and he is not in a position to talk closely.
But the problem is that the presidential administrator is in a position where he can't go.

[Anchor]
Thank you, Seoul Guarantee Corporation?

[Kim Hyung-joo]
Yes, it's a forecasting agency, but it's very rich and hot. In other words, with an annual salary of 300 million and a car with a driver. A position that cannot be dared to go at such a general level as an administrator. Also, depending on the story, if you say, "Did I choose it?" It's inevitable that we have a background in which someone pushes behind us with reasonable doubt.

In that respect, as soon as this person mentioned that representative Han Dong-hoon conducted his own personal opinion poll with party expenses and spent hundreds of millions of won, candidate Won Hee-ryong attacked him together. Also, there was a comment by Strategy Vice President Shin Jiho.The fact that Ma actually talked about the contents that could be included in the white paper is actually in a position where he can get something deep inside and outside the party. I think that's the only thing that's clear.

[Anchor]
It looks like a narrow ball, right?

[Shin Ji-ho]
To tell you the fact again, the white paper production teams met with various officials in the party to conduct interviews and investigations because they wanted to publish a white paper after our crushing defeat in the general election. The Yeouido Institute also did that. The information that Kim Dae-nam bought and exclusively reported by Sound of Seoul was acquired by the white paper team during the investigation process.

However, the report was distorted to a very serious level, and Han Dong-hoon embezzled about 7 billion won in party expenses through a personal image survey for his presidential bid, not a party poll, which is absurd, and our party spent 1.8 billion won for the last general election. I've never done such research on Han Dong-hoon's personal image.

So everything is distorted and fabricated. However, Kim Dae-nam was not in a position to know the investigation contents of the white paper team for the general election. How Kim Dae-nam knew that and reported it to Lee Myung-soo.

[Anchor]
Are you saying that we need to find out the process of acquiring information?

[Shin Ji-ho]
That is a point that needs to be fact-finding.

[Anchor]
Since Shin Ji-ho came out today, Shin Ji-ho recommended a person named Kim Dae-nam, and there was a rumor about this. What happens to that?

[Shin Ji-ho]
It's funny that an official at the presidential office in Yongsan told reporters that they are very close to each other. Shin Ji-ho himself recommended it, and the person Shin Ji-ho recommended Han Dong-hoon. Isn't it funny? I heard that he tried to water down like this. During the 2021 Yoon Suk Yeol presidential campaign, Kim Dae-nam was recommended by a fan club official who asked me if I should put one person who could manage the fan club in the camp organization part, so I connected him to Kang Seung-gyu, who was in the organization part at the time.

Since then, I understand that he has been working with Rep. Kang Seung-gyu and entered the Civil Society Senior Secretary's Office together. [Anchor] In any case, Shin Ji-ho's recommendation is false, and he explained himself, and there are many backgrounds and circumstances, but he says he is sorry for the presidential office and representative Han Dong-hoon, but this doesn't seem to end up as an apology, so how can we see him trying to use progressive media like this?

[Kim Hyung-joo]
In a way, isn't this the first time? hitting representative Han Dong-hoon through progressive media Because there's that aspect. In fact, then the Civil Society Senior Secretary's Office usually managed right-wing YouTube, but did they manage left-wing YouTube as well? This kind of suspicion is bound to arise, and of course, regardless of what kind of trend you know with reporter Lee Myung-soo, there was a little more mention about that.Ma will reveal what he will reveal through a detailed investigation within the party, and what he is explaining now cannot be explained at all in my view.

He said he was going to give me a sauce, so for example, he said, "I met you," and the words afterwards are different. I wasn't in that position. In other words, why give a sauce to someone who is not in that position? So, as a result, you didn't give the sauce, but you gave the sauce yourself. I didn't get the sauce.

Therefore, it is difficult to calm our suspicions with this kind of explanation. So, the party, himself, and the presidential office. The same is true of the presidential office's explanation now. The president doesn't know anything about it. But photos of us comfortably taking together during our camp days are just coming out.

Of course, not all different officials can get along with all the candidates. Of course, even if you can't say that you don't know as much as CEO Lee Jae-myung treats anyone, you shouldn't at least explain it like that, even if it's not at that level. I think the presidential office should also properly explain why this person worked in the camp and became an administrator of the presidential office.

[Anchor]
In any case, CEO Han Dong-hoon expressed his position that a fact-finding investigation is needed, so we will see what will be revealed in the future. Please show us the next keyword. Park Sang-yong, come out. Prosecutor Park Sang-yong's impeachment hearing is being held at the National Assembly today. Prosecutor Park Sang-yong is the prosecutor who investigated the alleged remittance to North Korea, so the Democratic Party's claim is something that it has been insisting on, but it is now that he cajoled the statement by giving alcohol to former lieutenant governor Lee Hwa-young, right?

[Shin Ji-ho]
That's right. But Lee Hwa-young raised suspicions, and the timing and location of the suspicion of drinking change several times. It's not a very distant past story, but it happened in the near past, and it's a serious problem if the real prosecutor had a drinking party in the prosecution office to coax the accused and the suspects. But the timing and location keep changing.

Didn't you make such a revelation that the reliability of that level is almost zero? The Democratic Party of Korea accepted that and impeached Park Sang-yong, but held another hearing with that. It's a waste of taxpayers' money, in a nutshell. It's a disgrace to the people and a waste of taxpayers' money.

[Anchor]
Anyway, prosecutor Park Sang-yong is currently training abroad, so he did not appear at the hearing today. Let's listen to what the ruling and opposition parties are talking about.

[Kwak Kyu-taek / Senior spokesman for People's Power (SBS 'Kim Tae-hyun's Political Show'): Of course, the Democratic Party of Korea has forced a lot of witnesses. Prosecutor Park Sang-yong is basically the subject of impeachment, so he cannot be a witness originally. If you look at it recently, isn't it time for the decision to violate the Public Official Election Act or perjury teachers to be made, and soon, representative Lee Jae-myung is about to be sentenced? At this time, in order to mislead public opinion, they also hold impeachment hearings for other prosecutors in October and November, and it seems that they intend to drive such an atmosphere as if representative Lee Jae-myung is an unfair victim through such impeachment. ]

[Lee Sung-yoon / Rep. of the Democratic Party of Korea (SBS 'Kim Tae-hyun's Political Show'): After democratization, people can't be abused or tortured. So you make a statement and make a threat. If it becomes an illegal investigation into the leader of the opposition party and these powerful people, would it be disgraceful to the general public? This is to prevent such illegal investigations. Since there are criticisms that the prosecution should protect my family without investigating, we are trying to correct this even through impeachment hearings. ]

[Anchor]
There is also a public opinion that there is no need to come out because he is a party to impeachment, but the Democratic Party of Korea held a press conference and attacked him again, saying, "Why can't you come out if you are confident?"

[Kim Hyung-joo]
But in my opinion, prosecutor Park is now the deputy chief prosecutor. Is it possible for Deputy Chief Prosecutor Lee to discuss impeachment at the National Assembly? I don't think so. In fact, the Democratic Party of Korea is lowering the authority of the National Assembly itself, and there was a point earlier by Vice-Chancellor Shin Ji-ho.In fact, there are some parts where the basic facts of the prosecution itself are very wrong.

And there is a part where the proof itself is not continuously specified, and the suspect Lee Hwa-young continues to go from day to day or from place to place, so can this realistically result in a meaningful activity of public power, an activity of the National Assembly? I don't think so. Rather, if these things go wrong, it can be an opportunity to give indulgence. I should be a little restrained in that sense, I see it that way.

[Anchor]
Nevertheless, the Democratic Party is attacking the situation, saying that the circumstances of conciliation are quite specific, and some interpret it as the Democratic Party's intention to hold prosecutor impeachment hearings at this time in October and November.

[Shin Ji-ho]
So, for the bulletproofness of one representative Lee Jae-myung, to resolve judicial risks and to create a friendly public opinion. So, the majority party here, the Hall of the People, is not bent on protecting Lee Jae-myung. There is a fundamental skepticism about whether the National Assembly, one of the pillars of the nation's state administration, can be operated in this way.

[Anchor]
Anyway, the Democratic Party says there are many specific circumstances. There is no party today, but we will see what evidence Democratic lawmakers will present. They were Shin Ji-ho, the head of the Strategic Planning Department for People's Power, and Kim Hyung-joo, the former lawmaker. Thank you.