[News FM Lee Ik-seon Choi Soo-young Issue & People]
□ Broadcast date and time: November 19, 2024 (Tue)
□ Host: Lee Ik-seon, Choi Soo-young
□ Performers: Former lawmaker Jeong Ok-im and former lawmaker Shin Kyung-min
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◇ Interest Line: We will release the news of political interest in Gyeongok High School, which has been strongly brewed. We have two lawmakers, former lawmaker Jung Ok-im and former lawmaker Shin Kyung-min. Please come in.
◆Choi Soo-young: Even after a few days have passed since Lee Jae-myung, the leader of the Democratic Party of Korea, was sentenced to violating the election law, he continues to heat up the political circle. First, let me ask you about your general comments.
□ Shin Kyung-min: When it comes to guilt or innocence, all Democrats talk about innocence, but from my point of view, it's a little hard to argue about guilt or innocence. So I looked at him as guilty. The sentence was a problem, but I expected this to be a high fine. I thought that it would be a little difficult even if I cut it at the second trial because it would be much more than 1 million won, and a considerable amount of money came out, but I was surprised. He was sentenced to prison. Of course, probation has been applied, but in fact, prison sentences are not easy in the spread of false information. In fact, there are three issues related to Kim Moon-ki. Among them, he was convicted of photo manipulation, and Baekhyun-dong has two issues. The question of whether it is intimidation or not and that it was inevitable because of the Innovative City Act, but this is true. Baekhyun-dong's problem was that as Seongnam Mayor at the time, there was no way out of it. So I thought he was guilty, but it was a little unexpected to convict him only of the photo manipulation part. And the other issue is that I didn't know Kim Moon-ki when I was governor. How I saw this as a ruling is quite interesting. This will probably be very controversial in the second trial. That's why the Democratic Party's response has changed as the sentence came out like this. If the sentence had been fined, it would have been possible to move on like this, saying, "This is close to innocence." With the release of the prison sentence, the Democratic Party's response is very intense right now. So in the end, I think it will develop into a very difficult political situation in the future.
■ Jeongokim: As Korea's politics fell into chaos, concerns grew that judicialization of politics was being committed to a large extent. I think it is meaningful that the judiciary, as the last bastion of democracy, has given strict sentences according to the law and evidence. In fact, before the first trial, why did the Democratic Party of Korea cut the prosecution's budget and increased the Supreme Court's budget by more than 24 billion won, and there were all kinds of skits. I also think that there is a side of relief for those who are concerned about domestic politics in Korea by showing sternly that the judiciary is alive with the ruling. However, the current violation of the election law and the perjury teacher who will come out next week. There will also be remittances to North Korea in the future. It's not just one person named Lee Jae-myung who is involved, but all those involved have now been punished for being guilty. Representative Lee Jae-myung cannot be the only one free from the punishment. And even though we don't know much about the sentencing criteria, there was a so-called reason for reduction and an element of weighting, and there was no sign of self-reflection that could be a reason for reduction. But what you actually did was a situation where all the broadcasts were released through recording or self-nurturing, right? So, with this as an opportunity, I think we should also refrain from being frivolous about how much the politicians will say about the case that has been transferred to the court. I want to warn you that the violation of democracy that tries to shake the judiciary with this, and the Democratic Party that wants to do this without any conscience, may be turned away by the people in the future.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: I see. The term judicial murder appeared at the Democratic Party's outdoor rally immediately after the sentence. There have been a flurry of remarks denouncing the various courts. In the case of Rep. Park Chan-dae, the first trial ruling is a clear judicial murder. Rep. Kim Min-seok is a black history trial with reasonable power pressure, and Rep. Han Joon-ho is a political judgment that relies on the prosecution's distorted and fabricated prosecution. In particular, lawmaker Choi Min-hee's remarks have been news all the time. "I'll kill you if you move the Scarecrow," he even said. These outdoor rallies and very intense remarks. How should we interpret this background?
□ Shin Kyung-min: Yes, but it's true that they said this. However, CEO Lee Jae-myung does not talk about the ruling in a single word. This is a division of roles. CEO Lee Jae-myung is talking about something else right now. You talk about democracy and the country, right? So, people other than CEO Lee Jae-myung are talking about the ruling, but they are saying very strong things. But that's the same for any party and the power of the people. According to the camp's logic, if a ruling comes out that you like, you pay respect to the judiciary, and if a ruling you don't like, you say very strong things, but the judiciary is actually the same. It's similar that the judge is the judge's idea. However, from the perspective of the Democratic Party of Korea, we have no choice but to say this, and we have no choice but to hold an outdoor rally. It's said it's going to be held this weekend, but the quality and quantity of the assembly are a little uncomfortable. If this happens, there is a very strange position that ordinary voters cannot or cannot go. Moreover, if the judicial ruling comes out like this, it has the effect that even those who want to go cannot go. So, the Democratic Party of Korea is also worried about this rally on the 23rd. It's Monday the 25th. I think the verdict will come out strong. The perjury teacher is much more severe now. That's why I can't help but hold an outdoor rally, and I'm in a dilemma right now. So the Democratic Party's remarks are going strong right now, but the strategy of how to actually lead this is a problem right now. This corporate card issue has been prosecuted again. This is a very shameless crime. In this way, from the perspective of those standing in the middle and from the perspective of ordinary voters, there are concerns about whether to support or not. So it's easy to make a strong statement right now. But it's a bit of a question of whether you can keep this statement. In particular, politicians should never say that I will go out and kill them all, like Rep. Choi Min-hee. Even ordinary people don't deal with me if I say this. This is a very intense Red Guard among the Red Guards, so if this happens, no one will follow me when Rep. Choi Min-hee tells me to follow me.
◆Choi Soo-young: In the midst of this, Rep. Lee Hae-sik, who is the chief of staff for the party leader, posted a picture of Lee Jae-myung and likened it to "God's priest" and "God's servant" next to it, but since criticism grows, I just posted an excerpt of Marcus Aurelius' meditation. I don't think there are many people who believe. Why do you think the level of speech is so high?
■Jeong Ok-im: Isn't the name of this party the Democratic Party? And they are the ones who really fought against some authoritarian regime in the past and thought of it as their own value while playing politics. I want to ask these people. What you think democracy is. And at least isn't the party leader a personal corruption anyway? You didn't get this sentence because of any anti-government activities or problems related to the president. But if you look at it, they take a very excessive action like they did in the past while fighting for democracy with politicians Kim Dae Jung and Kim Young-sam. As for the reason why these people are doing this even though it's not an ideology-related issue, in the past, especially in the case of Representative Choi Min-hee, I've been on the front line almost like I screamed when I was protesting in Seocho-dong to defend then Attorney General Cho Kuk. But haven't you changed from your country to Lee Jae-myung now? So this is my interpretation. Aside from loyalty or patriotism to any individual. If Representative Lee Jae-myung is found guilty of doing this, someone will come out next. Then the successor must come out of the real name. Then, wouldn't I have calculated that it would be impressive for blind and aggressive supporters to leave their mark and imprint them in their own way while overdoing it here? When I was using the expression "I will kill you," I suddenly thought of Rep. Jeon Hyun-hee, the supreme council member of the Democratic Party. During the election of the supreme council member, he made a murderous remark, and he won the election because of that, and eventually became the supreme council member with very good results. I think it's enough to think, "Murder. Kill." What's working for this party? Including the expression "God's priest, God's servant," he is calculating that it is advantageous for his political position in the future to assist the party leader who holds power in the party anyway and show that he is loyal like this. I look at it negatively like this.
◇Lee Ik-seon: So Kim Yong-tae, a member of the People's Power, said that the Democratic Party is in the stage of denying the reality. If this election law is convicted, wouldn't it be necessary to throw up 43.4 billion won?
□ Shin Kyung-min: So if the election law is very heavy like this, it would be right to approach it legally for now. The verdict is unusually over 130 pages long. The prosecutors worked very hard, but the three judges wrote the ruling very hard. Then read it and there may be weaknesses in it. But no one talks about it, and if you go beyond Lee Jae-myung's hymn and say something wrong, I think Jesus is the only one left to compare. You can't do it like this. It is correct to read the 130-page ruling and take legal action against it. What not guilty pleas, protests, rallies... this is very unpleasant for the judges, and we can't help but apply a crime of disgust. So it's better to think legally instead of doing this. But it's okay if there's only one election law, but there's a series of sentences right now. It's going to come out like candy one after another. Then I have to think about what to do in the future. In fact, if you're a reasonable-thinking representative, you can't help but consider resigning. Don't you have to save the sugar? Can't you sink the Democratic Party like this? Then, we should talk about the future of our party. We should think about what is best for our party, our country's democracy, and our country's future. But I don't understand how hard-line remarks are made. If you continue like this, it will be disadvantageous for future rulings.
◆Choi Soo-young: As you just said, there was another breaking news in the morning. Prosecutors investigating allegations of private use of corporate cards in Gyeonggi Province in judicial risks have handed over CEO Lee Jae-myung and his then chief of staff to trial on charges of professional breach of trust, which is the fifth indictment. As a result, I now realize that representative Lee Jae-myung's judicial risks are omnidirectional. Will the Democratic Party not budge when this happens?
■ Jung Ok-im: The Democratic Party is already psychologically agitated. It's so scary that I can't express it. That's why the party leader's advocacy remarks were very strong. But at least if it's a democratic party, we have to talk about how we should deal with the party in this situation. Wouldn't you be supporting the CEO and moving in order like one body? In addition, some members of the Democratic Party of Korea said that they suppressed the opposition's wife with only 100,000 won regarding the issue of Kim Hye-kyung's corporate card. In fact, behind the scenes, starting with sushi with a corporate card, beef, ritual food, and even talking about Lee Jae-myung's Japanese shampoo, and his wife's medicine problems came out. That's why I've handed over the chief of staff to trial on charges of professional breach of trust. Now, along with other charges and waiting for the outcome of the trial, we need to think about whether this person has the qualifications and dignity as president, not to mention legally, from the perspective of the voters. The overall political structure is very blurry when you think of politics against blind supporters, those who go back and forth from 25%. However, if you look at it now, all of these contents are handed over to trial and will be tried. Then, I think it's time for the Democratic Party to show some kind of collective intelligence worthy of the Democratic Party.
◇Lee Ik-seon: Due to this situation, there is a prospect that the so-called first meeting of the party's pro-Moon Jae-in members will stretch. Are you feeling the atmosphere right now?
□ Shin Kyung-min: Looking at the objective situation, the time when the party should talk about it has begun. There's nothing to say right now, but if you move, you'll die, you'll die, you'll die, you'll die, and things like that keep coming out right now. In fact, all the screaming people died by nomination earlier this year. However, there were some pro-Roh figures and pro-Roh figures of President Moon Jae In, who were nominated under his own name by standing in line well at that time. But the people watching from outside probably felt, "Oh, this is what happened." They issued a statement of support right after the first trial was sentenced. That's the atmosphere right now. The reason is that there is no one who can be the middle boss in the party. I don't see anyone who has the courage to talk and the leadership and command right now. That's why the Democratic Party of Korea's atmosphere can only be seen as flowing like this for the time being. In particular, Chief Justice Cho Hee-dae sent all the official documents to the second trial within three months, so I don't know where the dividend will go next, but the judge in charge will be under pressure to finish it within three months. So the verdict will come out quickly. Even if you can't keep it for three months, it's going to be hard to get out of three months. If this happens, I don't know what's boiling underneath until the second trial ruling comes out, but I think there will be a situation where similar stories such as an atmosphere in perfect order and a priest of God will come out. The nomination of the last screamer was great. So far, it has not been revealed that the power of the people is also loud because of the nomination issue, and how far Kim Gun-hee intervened.I'm sure that will come out someday. In Lee Jae-myung's Democratic Party of Korea, the screaming death was carried out very thoroughly. So there's no one who's brave right now. So I think this situation will proceed for the time being.
◆Choi Soo-young: But there are 3 guns and 3 Kims that we often talk about. Three shots, Lee Nak-yeon, Kim Boo-kyum, and Jeong Se-kyun. Next, the three Kims, Kim Kyung-soo, Kim Dong-yeon, and Kim Doo-kwan. This is constantly being talked about. Will they still not be able to move if there are two or three more rulings?
□ Shin Kyung-min: We have to look at the situation in the future. It is clear that these people are not in the mood to work together and do something together at the moment. There are a lot of people watching this with the lights on with their eyes on, so I think it's the stage of sitting still and watching. First of all, when the ruling is quite strong on the 25th, there will be a shock to the Democratic Party. How to interpret and digest the impact is the point to watch.
◇Lee Ik-seon: But is there anyone who can lead this screaming movement?
□Nervous: No. I can't see it on the floor. However, there are quite a few outside of the circle. I can't say his name right now because he's killing him. There are a few outsiders who move so hard and meet people.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: Yes, so this move won't be revealed until the end of this year anyway?
□Nervous: I don't think it's going to surface for a while.
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