In the text from "My Friend" Jung Sung Ho...Lee Jae-myung's reply means "heart" [Y transcript]

■ Host: Kim Sun-young Anchor
■ Starring: Rep. Bok Ki-wang of the Democratic Party of Korea, Professor Kim Geun-sik of Kyungnam University

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◇Anchor> There are various interpretations from the ruling and opposition parties over the first trial ruling of the perjury teacher yesterday. Rep. Jung Sung-ho and Rep. Joo Jin-woo, let's hear what analysis they did.

[Jung Sung-ho / Rep. of the Democratic Party (MBC Kim Jong-bae's attention)] If you look at the contents of the case, this is a case where you can't get a prison sentence. What the defendant, Kim Jin-sung, testified was actually 16 years and 17 years before the testimony at that time. And the testimony had no effect on the case, the violation of the Public Official Election Act, and the dissemination of false information by Gyeonggi Province Governor Lee Jae-myung. That's why I thought that the worst-case scenario, even the worst-case scenario, cannot pass the fine. (Have you talked with Representative Lee Jae-myung after the verdict came out?) I sent a long message last night. I sent a message about what I would like to do in the future, and he sent me a heart after reading it.]

[Joo Jin-woo / People's Power (CBS Kim Hyun-jung's news show): I think there is a good chance that the second trial will overturn. In the second trial, you don't do the same thing that you did in the first trial. So, if you ask for a lot of witnesses in the first trial and say you did a lot of things, it doesn't turn the tables well even if you call one or two witnesses in the second trial. I think the interpretation of this recording file is a little unique to me. Because it's a ruling that can have a significant impact on other courts. So if this case does not affect other trials, in fact, the judgment of this individual court can be respected, which, according to this judgment, makes way for those who perjure or teach perjure in the future.]

◇Anchor> After this first trial ruling, it is the closest aide to Representative Jung Sung-ho and Representative Lee Jae-myung. I texted him and he said he got a heart, what does it mean in that heart?

◆King of Bokgi> It means thank you, thank you, thank you. If Cherry Ttabong said good job, this is thank you, thank you.

◇Anchor> Has Rep. Bok Gi-wang also received a heart?

◆King of Bokgi> I text each other when I have an issue, but I don't think there was a heart.

◇Anchor> What kind of feelings can we say we conveyed to each other?

◆ King Bokgi> Thank you very much for the common sense judgment and suffered. And wouldn't lawmaker Jung Sung-ho have given various advice on the arguments? I think he said he talked about those things, so he said, "You've worked hard on that." It's funny to see this incident. Because of this, CEO Lee Jae-myung has a criminal record. In the end, Kim Byung-ryang, the mayor of Seongnam at the time, was accused of receiving a third-party donation and some kind of bribe in connection with the Bundang Park View sale case.

The beginning of the world's lively investigation began when a civic activist named Lee Jae-myung and a KBS PD became known to the world through such reports. At that time, Kim Byung-ryang did not touch the prosecutor properly, but rather punished and arrested only KBS PD and lawyer Lee Jae-myung. That's how it started. In the end, Kim Byung-ryang was convicted of one year in prison and two years of probation, and I think this is a decisive case of oppression of the political opponent in such a narrow way because he has judicial vested interests as much as the last presidential election.

Nevertheless, I really appreciate the judge's just judgment. I want you to look back on yourself on how fair the prosecutor Joo Jin-woo was when he was a prosecutor. There are various suspicions related to you. So it's good to say what you want.If Ma is at least the ruling party, I would like to advise you to be more careful and cautious about remarks that may affect the judgment of the judiciary. [Anchor] We organized the first trial's sentence in graphic form yesterday. Please show us. So the conclusion is that perjury is guilty and perjury teachers are not guilty.

◆Kim Geun-sik> From the level of common sense that I am not a legal professional, Kim Jin-sung was perjury, and the court fined him because it judged that two of the six testimony were innocent, but four were guilty and that he should be punished severely. However, the person who taught me was acquitted because he was not intentional. However, I read the court's ruling carefully, and while explaining the four testimonies that Kim Jin-sung perjured against his memory, the contents of those four testimonies were imagined to be on the phone with Lee Jae-myung, then governor of Gyeonggi-do Province, and he gave false testimonies reflecting that. So it seems that the influence was clearly affected, and I admit that there was teaching behavior in the judgment.

So I asked for a teacher, and I talked on the phone. So I admitted that there was a teaching act, but as if it came out there. However, I made the judgment that I was innocent because I didn't intend to, so I think there is enough room for dispute in the second trial. If you look at it in common sense, we see it a lot in dramas.Ma, when the chairman of a chaebol or a powerful person is indicted by the prosecution and tried, he or she makes false testimony to those who are weaker or less powerful than him. Are you making me do it then? If you tell me on your own, you'll know on your own. So, when Kim Jin-sung spoke to Lee Jae-myung, the governor of Gyeonggi-do Province, at the time, he was the incumbent governor.

And if you listen to the 30-minute phone call, Kim Jin-sung keeps saying, "I don't know how to express this, but let's meet together and have a meal together." Because Kim Jin-sung was a developer of the Baekhyun-dong case. Isn't there a person who was the head of Lee Jae-myung's camp at the time? I was working with him. So, because he was the governor of Gyeonggi-do Province at the time, he had a strong real power, so there was a need to look good. So I think there's a possibility that you've accepted enough of that, even if you didn't deliberately and explicitly ask me to do this. Nevertheless, when the ruling came out anyway, he admitted that he was not intentional, so I look forward to the prosecution's appeal again in the second trial, and then another ruling by the second trial court.



Excerpted from the conversation: Lee Sun Digital News Team Editor

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