President Yoon, the floor leadership dinner...The independent counsel law will be re-voted tomorrow.

■ Host: Anchor Yoon Jae-hee
■ Starring: Attorney Seo Jeong-wook, Attorney Lee Seung-hoon

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[Anchor]
Yesterday, President Yoon Suk Yeol exercised his right to demand reconsideration on three bills, including the Special Prosecutor's Office Act on First Lady Kim Gun-hee. In addition, the three bills that have returned to the National Assembly are expected to be dealt with at the plenary session of the National Assembly tomorrow. A fierce battle between the ruling and opposition parties is being predicted. Meanwhile, there are various interpretations as representative Han Dong-hoon was excluded from the dinner between President Yoon and the ruling party's floor leadership yesterday evening. Let's summarize with the two main issues of Jungkook. Lawyer Seo Jeong-wook and lawyer Lee Seung-hoon are here. Please come in. First, let me point out the news of the presidential office dinner that ended last night. There are many interpretations about the absence of CEO Han Dong-hoon, what are your opinions?

[Lee Seung Hoon]
Representative Han Dong-hoon seems to have to go, but the president is definitely ignoring it when he doesn't go. And I think it's almost like bullying. In that respect, the state affairs should be run well, but the ruling party cannot even filibuster even though the government does not cooperate and the Special Prosecutor Kim Gun-hee Act has been rejected. That's how difficult it is to defend, but at that level, state administration is not being managed, so I think the people will feel very pathetic. The news keeps talking about food and the private meeting room. I would like to say that the people are very pathetic about the reality that there should be healthy and some reform, pension reform, and ruling and opposition parties reform.

[Anchor] There was an explanation from the ruling party's floor leadership after
dinner. Let's listen to this and continue talking.

[Shin Dong-wook / Senior spokesman for People's Power: If the president and the party leader need to talk, it should be carried out in a different format. Shouldn't it be a way to include the party leader in the standing committee secretary's dinner? It's a must-have, must-be-delayed task, not a healthcare reform that is being promoted with the medical community or a group of doctors at the opposite point...]

[Anchor]
There was a mention that if the president and the party leader need to talk, it should be carried out in a different format, but in fact, Han Dong-hoon requested a private meeting.There is a long silence in the presidential office. Why is it getting so long?

[Jungwook Seo]
First of all, I think the opposition party is continuously making a lot of such efforts to separate representatives Han Dong-hoon and the president. It is expanding it and interpreting it too much that it continues to divide. For example, meal gatherings also have various personalities. I met with the leadership not too long ago. This time, he will be the floor leader and the standing committee chairman or secretary ahead of the parliamentary inspection. And then, if necessary, we will have a private meeting with representative Han Dong-hoon. Just because you fell out yesterday, you shouldn't do this as if there's a huge conflict. But there's a timing to having a private meeting. I know what you're talking about now. You know all these last suggestions, or Kim Gun-hee's apology, that let's scrap the medical reform in 2025. So it's not that timing right now, so I'm just not holding a private meeting yet. I don't think this should be encouraged as if there is a huge conflict just because you haven't had a solo meeting.

[Anchor]
It's not a step of rejection, but you're looking at it like this. Meanwhile, President Yoon vetoed the 24th bill yesterday. The Democratic Party of Korea is also pointing out that they had a dinner to crack down on votes. There is a fierce struggle in the ruling party right now. Do you think there is a possibility that there will be a vote of departure or absence?

[Lee Seung Hoon]
I don't think it'll come out. The reason is that the power of the people does not know their direction right now. I will not see a departure vote because the people's power lawmakers are thinking that it is only the president's secretary. However, if the president manages state affairs in a very wrong way as he is now, representative Han Dong-hoon can eventually make a choice. At some point, there is a possibility that they will make a choice and pass the Kim Gun-hee Special Prosecutor Act with lawmakers who support him, or they will make an alternative through consultation with the opposition party. So, even though they don't have a private meeting, they keep asking for a private meeting, and at some point, the president doesn't even accept it, but if they keep asking, they may feel a little stupid. However, CEO Han Dong-hoon was also a person who investigated until the end while conducting a special prosecutor. That's why you'll never want to lose out to the president. So, at some point, I think there may be a day when we can take the lead in passing the independent counsel for Kim Gun-hee or the independent counsel for Chae Sang-byung.

[Anchor]
Floor leader Choo Kyung-ho is emphasizing the attendance of all lawmakers anyway, so what is the atmosphere within the party? Is it an atmosphere where we have to worry about the departure ticket?

[Jungwook Seo]
I don't think I need to worry at all, Leave vote. About Ahn Cheol Soo approved the special prosecutor Chae's case before. However, the content is a patterned third-party recommendation, but in reality, the Democratic Party of Korea has changed to a more evil law. And the sitting president doesn't even have the right to prosecute. But you're going to investigate the president? At the airlift? It doesn't make sense. Therefore, there are about one or two special prosecutors for Chae Sang-byung. However, Kim Gun-hee's special prosecutor is more absurd. There is no applicable law. For example, let's investigate because it's a crime because it's a sentence of up to a few years in prison for violating several articles of the Public Official Election Act. If it's our criminal courtism, we have to write down the law. However, there are suspicions that he was involved in the nomination, and lawmaker Yoon Gun-young asked, just as the NEC's interpretation of the authority came out. Your spouse is a civilian. However, there is no provision that can be punished for intervening in the nomination. First lady Kim Gun-hee intervenes, representative Lee Jae-myung intervenes, but I intervene, but it's the same law. There is no such thing as a ban on political intervention unless you are a public official anyway. So let's just ask for an independent counsel because the public opinion is not good. Let's break a few articles of the law and investigate it because it's a few years in prison under a certain law, there's no such thing. Therefore, as for the special prosecutor Kim Gun-hee, I don't have a breakaway vote at all, and Deutsche Motors. I've seen the 350 page ruling twice, the full text. But it's completely different from Jeonju's Sohn. Mr. Son borrowed 7 billion won and made a deal when he bought and sold it. Then, he even threatens Joo-po. Therefore, there is no special prosecution for anything because the case is completely different.

[Anchor]
I understand that there is a public opinion within the party that an apology is needed for the suspicion of Kim Gun-hee regardless of the special prosecution. The president's office is also hearing various opinions. I'm hearing various opinions. Does that mean you're considering an apology?

[Jungwook Seo]
But timing is also important. You know the Pouch Bag Duke. Hidden camera, Choi Jaeyoung. What about receiving it because it was cleared of charges, and there is room for public opinion to apologize to that extent. But the timing has to be done all at once. Are you saying that the intervention of the nomination is ridiculously suspicious and that if I apologize, I should admit it? Also, Deutsche Motors is about to investigate. I can't just separate one and apologize many times. After everything ends with a certain degree of clarity, I think I'll probably think about an apology at the right time. Not now.

[Anchor]
I think it will be controversial whether the wife's apology to the public can clear up such controversy.

[Lee Seung Hoon]
Honestly, I can't apologize. The reason why I can't apologize is because I have to go to trial, but I don't think I have to apologize. Deutsche Motors Jeonju has been accused of aiding and abetting in the past. It's a case of little profit. However, in the case of Kim Gun-hee's family, they say they earned about 2.3 billion won. And a lot of data has already been released. False selling, buying, and then selling and buying when someone asks you to sell, all of these things are already out. That's why the prosecution has not been cleared of charges for more than two years because they are afraid that if they are cleared of charges, they will be punished for abuse of authority. So, it's right to quickly prosecute and go on trial and then apologize. No, I would have already apologized if I thought I would move on with an apology. That's why the president's wife has not been able to apologize.

[Anchor]
In the meantime, the transcript of Kim Dae-nam, a former senior administrator of the presidential office, was released ahead of the ruling party's national convention in July, causing a growing impact. Let's listen to the relevant information and continue.

[Kim Dae-nam / Former administrator's transcript: We need to do a general election poll for that 7 billion won. But two of them seem to have done some written research himself as a presidential candidate. Hey, if you plan it well this time and type (Han Dong-hoon) in Sound of Seoul, Mrs. Aju is your Lee Myung-soo. Hey, you'll like it because you put it in and out. ]

[Anchor]
It is about former administrator Kim Dae-nam's phone call with Seoul's Voice reporter Lee Myung-soo, and it says that if you type Han Dong-hoon, Mrs. Kim will like it. How did you like it?
[Seo Jungwook]
Should I call him a journalist first? Aren't you ashamed? Tell him to take off the title of a journalist first. Because a reporter secretly keeps recording private conversations and editing them all, then plays them all. Kim Dae-nam is not here. Aren't you saying this because you keep picking and throwing bait? Is it a journalist who opens private conversations by editing the devil except for his own? A reporter I know, I'm not a reporter, but how do I interview when I do it? You can also record it if you need it. Are you okay? Isn't this how you do it? I heard that Lee Myung-soo is a master of recording, but that person should take off the journalist title first. The worst person is reporter Lee Myung-soo, who edited the devil. And secondly, I don't think administrator Kim Dae-nam did a very good job. It's because he trusted these left-wing recordings and kept talking on the phone. Of course, there must have been trust, but administrator Kim Dae-nam was not good either. You left the party. The third and last thing is important, and this should not cause conflict between representative Han Dong-hoon or the presidential office. This is playing into the machinations of the left. It shouldn't be used for the left's divisive maneuvering. CEO Han Dong-hoon just laughed and deleted the recorded file. This way, there's no division. Do you think you're behind the scenes by digging more? How is the president's office dug up? There's a competitor at the convention. There should be no further enlargement here. I'll tell you three things.

[Anchor]
He said we shouldn't zoom in.Ma, didn't CEO Han Dong-hoon immediately demand a fact-finding investigation? How do you see this part?

[Lee Seung Hoon]
We have to do a fact-finding mission. If CEO Han Dong-hoon doesn't do a fact-finding investigation, wouldn't Han Dong-hoon's authority be destroyed? He keeps on working. When you work, the people can make the right judgment. With this level, the opposition party works on it, so all the people go like this or that? I don't think so. I think the Duke of Yongsan was a little clumsy. How hard was it that Kim Gun-hee was in the presidential office and talked to reporter Lee Myung-soo for 7 hours and all of them were disclosed in detail? But you're happy and happy with him and talk about jokes or things that are inferior to them? Why didn't I think that would be recorded? Because people at that level are in the presidential office, the dignity of the presidential office is deteriorating, and I don't criticize the president, but I'm sure the president is right every day, saying, "That's right." Since he's preserving his position, he did these things to protect his rice bowl, but he ended up doing a 300 million won audit, a full-time audit. You can't do this. You have to change. Otherwise, I think even the remaining 20% of the people will be separated.

[Anchor]
Lawyers briefly mentioned it earlier.Ma has some more specific points to point out, so I'll ask you a question. The prosecution, which investigated Kim Gun-hee's allegations of accepting luxury bags, yesterday not only Kim but also Kim. All five defendants, including Pastor Choi Jae-young, were not indicted, so how do you analyze this decision?

[Jungwook Seo]
Now, if I emphasize those two things, the prosecution should not consider any of these things, whether it is Yongsan, Yeouido, or public opinion when disposing of them. The prosecution only looks at what laws and principles are and what evidence and facts are next. We should not investigate by looking at representative Lee Jae-myung of Yeouido, the president of Yongsan, or even the wrong public opinion. First of all, the prosecution says that the prosecution has a crime and that there is no crime. You can't say that you're looking at public opinion about a crime that doesn't exist Take a look at this. Chairman of the House of Representatives Kim Chang-joon will be buried in the National Cemetery when he dies. What kind of illegal request is this and what does this have to do with the president's duties? Is that a dishonest request again? This was the worst political maneuver, and I met him under the guise of a favor, and it was not directly delivered to Mrs. Kim Gun-hee, and I asked my aide a lot. Pastor Choi is telling a lot of lies. So, there is no illegal solicitation or job-related matter, and emotionally, it is correct to punish Pastor Choi. How do you do such a worst maneuver in the president's office? But the law says that Mrs. Kim has no punishment clause, and the Kim Young-ran Act has no punishment clause. Next, the Lawyers Act is nonsense, and there is no evidence of mediation that President Yoon Suk Yeol knew about the mediation. So it's all 14:0. Next, Pastor Choi is 8:7, so combine the two. What's the score? It's 21:8. Therefore, I think it is strange to deliberate twice, but overall, the results judged by the prosecution are correct.

[Anchor]
He said the result was right.Ma explained the background of the prosecution's non-prosecution and mentioned that there may be opinions that do not fit the people's legal sentiment. I think this part is important, too. What do you think?

[Lee Seung Hoon]
It would be embarrassing if the prosecution didn't put this document. That's why I think I put it in. How do I know if I'm guilty when I don't investigate? It means you got it in return for the meeting. not the price of solicitation Then the wives of high-ranking officials met you and received gifts from you, which had nothing to do with solicitation. It's a condition of meeting. And then it's distinguished from the next solicitation, is this distinguished? Does the prosecutor tell you the difference? If you're the wife of someone else's high-ranking official, you'll be punished. However, in the case of the president's wife, the prosecution takes away her cell phone without investigating or searching. That's why, from the people's point of view, apart from the question of whether this is legally a crime or not, they are already guilty of Kim Gun-hee.

[Anchor]
I see. The results of the prosecution's investigation into the Deutsche Motors stock price manipulation case will come out soon, but the court admitted the charges in the case of Sohn, who is called Jeonju. How will the allegations related to Mrs. Kim Gun-hee be resolved?

[Jungwook Seo]
I mentioned it briefly a while ago. The verdict is open, so I'd like to tell you to read it and make a judgment. Mr. Son is not just a Jeonju. This person borrows 7 billion won and texts and contacts the stock manipulator every time he buys and sells it, and even threatens the principal. In the ruling, this was a joint criminal prosecution. But he was acquitted in the first trial, so he did it as a preliminary aid, and he is not the one to include this in a simple introduction, Mr. Son. But in Jeonju, there were 97 people there, and 157 accounts were used there. Maybe Kim Gun-hee will be the fourth one. But none of the poles in front of him was punished. Mr. Son is a joint criminal. Look at the content. After this, Jeonju, and Jeonju, Mrs. Kim Gun-hee was also Jeonju, and since this is Jeonju, you should not talk about ignorant things like this. Read the judgment and make a specific judgment.

[Anchor]
What's your opinion, lawyer?

[Lee Seung Hoon]
If I read the ruling, I think I should prosecute it. Are the prosecutors stupid? Why can't I be cleared of charges right now? First lady Kim Gun-hee is having such a hard time and the president can't manage state affairs, but you should quickly clear her of the charges. But why can't you? The evidence is so clear that they can't be prosecuted. Mr. Son wouldn't have made even 100 million won. I might have lost money. But Mrs. Kim Gun-hee earned 2.3 billion won. And if you tell me to buy it, I sell it if I tell you to buy it and sell it. And the president said this when he was a candidate. My wife lost about 40 million won. Isn't it that other criminals returned this 40 million won, because Mrs. Kim Gun-hee lost it? Is this possible if we're not accomplices together? I think that's why the prosecution should quickly dispose of the people, not confuse them any more. I'm telling you.

[Jungwook Seo]
I'll correct it, it was 2.2 billion won and 2.3 billion won earlier, but look at the ruling. That's why I didn't accept it. It is estimated that the prosecution unilaterally analyzed about 20 things on the stock exchange, but Chairman Kwon Oh-soo also said he earned much more. But in the ruling, Chairman Kwon Oh-soo was also not recognized, so he was suspended, wasn't he? What's not even acknowledged in the ruling is that you shouldn't keep saying definitively.

[Anchor]
I see. Let's point out one more issue due to the time relationship. Park Sang-yong's impeachment hearing was held at the National Assembly Judiciary Committee yesterday, and the ruling party sees it as Lee Jae-myung's bulletproof hearing, right?

[Jungwook Seo]
That's right. Prosecutor Park Sang-yong is abroad right now. It's impossible, but moreover, Lieutenant Governor Lee Hwa-young is in the trial of an appeals court. This is beyond the limits of our National Assembly's authority to call the person in the trial and make a scene so that they can talk freely. After all, Lee Jae-myung and Lee Hwa-young are accomplices. If Lee Hwa-young is guilty, Lee Jae-myung is also guilty. This is what lawyer Lee Hwa-young said. I mean, Lee Hwa-young and Lee Jae-myung will become BTS. Very much, I think that the National Assembly was overpowered, an illegal hearing.

[Anchor]
The ruling party continues to point out that the opposition party, which broadcasts the cases currently under investigation or trial live through hearings, is intervening in the judiciary. What are your opinions on this?

[Lee Seung Hoon]
From the opposition's point of view, I think it's because there's no way. Prosecutors investigate opposition figures and opposition parties indiscriminately, but they don't investigate the ruling party, First Lady Kim Gun-hee, and special prosecutor Chae. That's why shouldn't we call the National Assembly to reveal the truth and check whether they made false statements through conciliation and pressure, or are they really lying? And in the case of former lieutenant governor Lee Hwa-young, he was convicted in the first trial. So if prosecutor Park Sang-yong is indicted and found guilty, shouldn't he come out and claim that the opposition party is wrong at the National Assembly? But why didn't it come out? In the end, questions about whether the conciliation and pressure forced him to speak unfavorably about representative Lee Jae-myung have grown bigger.

[Anchor]
I see. I took a closer look at the main issue of Jungkook. I was with lawyer Seo Jeong-wook and lawyer Lee Seung-hoon. Thank you both.