[News FM Lee Ik-seon Choi Soo-young Issue & People]
□ Broadcast Date: 4 October 2024 (Fri)
□ Host: Lee Ik-seon, Choi Soo-young
□ Performers: Kim Sung-wan, current affairs critic, Jang Ye-chan, the supreme council member for the power of the whole nation
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Jang Ye-chan)
- "Have you caught the number of cases in South Korea? Kim Dae Nam's "Behind the scenes."It doesn't help the government and the government.
- "While I couldn't communicate directly with Kim Dae-nam, Kim 尹 and Mrs. Kim...Kim Dae Nam's recording? 尹 - 80% of women's curse is worse"
-"Han Dong-hoon, gentle but not friendly old man." Why do we need to know this during the general election?"
- Kim Sung-tae and Lee Hae-chan Political Organization 'Plazard' Political Funding? the possibility of growing into a gate
◇ Lee Ik-seon: Top 3 this week! Let's move on to the second keyword. The second keyword is <attack owner>.
◆ Choi Soo-young: Today, all conservative and progressive media and major news are filled with this person's name, which is Kim Dae-nam's name. The former senior administrator of the president's office and the current auditor of Seoul Guarantee Insurance had a wave of Kim Dae-nam's transcript, which was reported by Sound of Seoul earlier this week, but anyway, if I say this, I should hit Han Dong-hoon a little, and the key is that Kim will like it, and representative Han Dong-hoon ordered a fact-finding investigation by the party. I'll have to ask the best person first about this.
★ Jang Ye-chan: But I also interviewed Na Kyung-won about this part today, and this is a bad thing. And it's also true that Kim Dae-nam did something wrong. I think Kim Dae-nam needs to be responsible for any inappropriate behavior. However, I'm not sure if raising this case and making it as if it's behind it is helpful in the run-up to the current government-government relationship or the parliamentary inspection of people's livelihoods. In the political world, Kim Dae-nam is never a big name or a high-ranking official. And some media misstated that they were secretaries at first, but as far as I know, they are administrators equivalent to level 3. In fact, the presidential office also came out, but it was clear that he was not able to communicate with the president or first lady Kim Gun-hee at all. When he just failed the nomination, he criticized Han Dong-hoon by swearing at Seoul's sound and criticizing the president and first lady by saying, "I'll make some credit while I'm in the candidate camp at the time of the national convention." If the recording is credible, Kim Dae-nam is a person who cursed the president and the first lady much more and more severely. But it doesn't make sense to raise work while pointing to Yongsan or the presidency behind it or secretly keeping that in mind. Of course, the presidential office, the government, and the party are upset about what they need to gain. Kim Dae-nam is right, and I think he should take responsibility, but the difference between that and the party leadership is clear. I would like to say that cool-headedness is required in terms of political judgment.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: But Jang Choi-go was in the presidential campaign for Yoon Suk Yeol at the time, right? come and see Kim Dae-nam You met him, right?
★ Jang Ye Chan: Yes! I know who it is. As I passed by, I met Kim Dae-nam in the early stages of the presidential campaign, but as far as I know, Shin Ji-ho, who was an executive who worked in the fan club of the prosecutor general at the time of Yoon Suk Yeol, and is now a close aide to representative Han Dong-hoon, joined Lee Dae-nam. But actually, going to the president's office is very important whether you joined the presidential primary camp in the early days. Usually, in the political world, and in the case of camps, it is very difficult to come in because of the doorstep. There are people who try to come in, but it doesn't work, so they reveal it. Anyway, Kim Dae-nam came in at the recommendation of Vice-President Shin Ji-ho, and after that, he was active in managing the organization and then joined the presidential office. But people in the political community and the ruling party know that Kim Dae-nam's so-called name value and political status are not that great, and I keep emphasizing some bluster, exaggeration, and even, but isn't it a little nonsense to connect him to the presidential office when nearly 80 percent of the transcripts are attacks and desecrate on the president and the first lady? I have no choice but to think strongly.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: Yes, I see.
◆ Choi Soo-young: But the president's office said that Kim Dae-nam came out a little while ago, have you heard anything about Jang?
★ Jang Ye-chan: As far as I know, Kim Dae-nam made a statement yesterday that he did not know President Kim Yoon Suk Yeol and First Lady Kim Gun-hee at all in the Presidential Office. As I said on another broadcast yesterday, there is a certain political status of this person or a public position in the presidential office. Not to mention any high-ranking presidential couple in this position. It is not in a position to communicate directly or secretly with high-ranking officials.
◆ Choi Soo-young: I'll ask you about Kim Sung-wan, a critic. In the case of Seoul, Kim Gun-hee's so-called seven-hour transcript report points out that the conservative camp should be wary of, and vice-president Shin Ji-ho also says this. "Lee Wan-yong sold the country, but former senior administrator Kim sold the camp." They're talking about this. This is how much it feels like a bomb has fallen inside the conservative camp. How do you look at this now?
☆ Kim Sung-wan: The Chosun Ilbo uses that expression. I got hit for the fourth time. Why do I keep getting hit when I get hit over and over again? I saw an article that raised the issue of this. It's the same in the past, or in the current government. It is a world in which a presidential office employee becomes a driver even if he is caught in a drunk driving control. But he's a senior administrator in the presidential office and even acting as a secretary. You're the one who responded, but what kind of steps did you take in those days and before? Is it correct to say that when a division like this breaks out, no presidential office is responsible for it? Is it correct that the president's office says one person is deviant? I want to ask you that first. The content seems to contain a variety of things, starting with various personal feelings and sadness. But regardless of the authenticity of the story, a person who worked, for example, says this in his own words. They say that they are secretaries again in Yongsan, where they helped candidate Lee Won-mo during the election and became the president of a public corporation under insurance from First Lady Kim Gun-hee. So after the cut-off, I helped the election and then I think I talked to the Seoul Voice reporter on the phone. But it's strange. It's a kind of public institution investment company that even secretaries can't go to. Since the stake is almost 90% or more, we go to such a company as a standing auditor. I was surprised to see this person's seat. The basic salary is 160 million. The bonus is 50 to 125% of the base salary. So I'm a person who can receive money from 240 million to 360 million. The driver's car comes out. It is a place with a monthly work promotion cost of 4.7 million won. Who can go to a seat like this? Some say that a person named Choi Geun-hye simply recommended such a position. Can someone like this go to a place like this who says it wasn't this weighty, no matter how much it is? No matter how many parachutes there have been from the previous government until now, not everyone can ride them. Then, of course, when thinking backwards, I think it's only natural for this person to have doubts about what he's said and instigated him to attack representative Han Dong-hoon, saying that things like this have no choice but to be connected to the presidential office.
★ Jang Ye-chan: In conclusion, I made a mistake in greeting you. If the presidential office was involved in the recommendation of Kim Dae-nam for standing auditor, I made a mistake in personnel appointments and should do better in the future. I want to say that you need to get your act together. I want to say something bitter. However, the fact that secretaries and administrators from the presidential office or Cheong Wa Dae have gone to public institutions and shared the philosophy of state affairs together in previous governments can be criticized as parachuting, but it is a practice that has been shown by the government, regardless of conservative or progressive. That's why I said this well. I'm not saying there's no problem, but in that context, Kim Dae-nam's appreciation is expected to have been made. If Kim Dae-nam was a really strong candidate, there are quite a few people who have not been nominated or ran for the general election who have returned to the presidential office right away. Some people were promoted when they returned, and considering that they couldn't go back to the presidential office like that, it seems to have been a part of the personnel of some public institution for the administrator or secretary. And even now, in fact, there is no legal mechanism for the president's office or the government to ask him to appoint an auditor position for Seoul Guarantee Insurance or to step down. Perhaps because this is a separate period, it will take procedures and time to hold a disciplinary committee and a personnel committee. And if Kim Dae-nam complains about it and files a lawsuit, there will be another mud fight. In this regard, many people, including me, reported today by the JoongAng Ilbo, would like Kim Dae-nam to organize his own future. What I always emphasize is not all that he criticized Han Dong-hoon, but also that he said a lot of insulting things about the president and the first lady. That's why he's a problematic person. It was a random shooting. Since he is just that kind of person, I believe that the demand for cleaning up the future of public office will continue to grow like a flood. However, if Kim Dae-nam really did this by connecting with a higher-ranking official in the presidential office, I wonder if this person would not have been given a chance to run in the nomination in the first place and criticized the president and the first lady so much.
☆ Kim Sung-wan: But if you do a broadcast in a place like this, it's actually divided into camps, and there are many cases where you forget what you said before and attack. In fact, it's often very difficult. But especially when I talk about parachute issues, if I say I'm a Democratic Party member, I should be ashamed of myself. That's what I think. Because the people have criticized parachuting a lot, as well as in the media. But can we criticize the parachute during the Yoon administration after doing all the parachuting during the Moon administration? I fall into this logical contradiction. But I want to point out one thing. You criticized parachutes a lot during the Moon administration. He criticized it from the power of the people. President Yoon Suk Yeol became president with the topic of fairness and common sense. The Moon administration promised not to repeat the wrong things. But it's the same practice as during the Moon administration to repeat it again. I don't think it's right to explain like this. That's the point that's said to be a problem right now. Even if we admit that it's a practice, on the one hand, we raise the question of how is it possible for a person of this level to go to that position? If there is no explanation for that, doubts will continue to grow. In fact, if you look at the president's office responding to the problem of attacking someone or not, you should admit to the wrong parts and move on so that the controversy does not continue. But I don't think it's right to respond in such a way as whether or not to respond because if we answer back, the controversy will continue to grow.
★ Jang Ye-chan: When I listened to critic Kim Sung-wan, I felt a little hurt and stabbed. Because I criticized the paratroopers of the Moon Jae In government a lot, that's why the practice went well. I don't mean there's no problem, but this is a wrong personnel appointment. And in order to share the philosophy of state administration, it is right to go to a position where people from the presidential office and these people can go to public institutions, but with minimal expertise or work relevance. For example, critic Kim Sung-wan's criticism regarding personnel affairs should be accepted, given that people with financial experience should go to financial institutions or construction institutions or try to show them to the public.
◇ Profit line: Okay.
★ Jang Ye-chan: It's a very reasonable broadcast.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: But just one, I heard that Kim Dae-nam served in the presidential office for a very short period of time.
★ Jang Ye-chan: I don't know exactly that.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: When there was personnel adjustment, a large number of people who first entered came out and new people entered.
★ Jang Ye-chan: As far as I remember, this person ran in a local election once after the presidential election. the head of Gangnam-gu District Office But I didn't get a nomination then either. So, if someone is behind you, who can't be nominated for the head of the district office or be eliminated from the parliamentary election without a chance to run for the election, which means that there are no actors apart from the inappropriate person and the wrong personnel appointment, but I think I joined after that.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: There's another controversial point. Representative Han Dong-hoon conducted his own presidential election recognition survey using his polling party expenses during the last general election. I think you have a lot to say about this part.
★ Jang Ye-chan: I think it's almost revealed. The so-called close circle of representative Han Dong-hoon now says, "How did Kim Dae-nam know about this secret and talk about it?" It was first released on YouTube on July 2. Chairman Lee Sang-kyu, who was a member of the White Paper Special Committee for the General Election, talked while running for the Supreme Council, and it will be published in a Newsis article on July 4. There was an image poll related to representative Han Dong-hoon. And since Kim Dae-nam talked on the phone on July 10, it's not just Kim Dae-nam, but those who already know on July 2nd and 4th knew it by watching YouTube articles. What even this was a survey was about the results of Maeil Economy, and how the 2030s perceive Han Dong-hoon as a "gentle but unfamiliar man." But why on earth do we need to know this before the general election? What does this do for the general election strategy? Even the Yeouido Institute was angry because it did not inform the candidates of the Seoul metropolitan area's poll results. No, he was conducting a poll that produced such a gentle but unfamiliar man without telling the candidates the results of the important district poll. With party money. Then I won't use extreme words like misuse or embezzlement right now. We need to get to the bottom of it, so at least we can talk about the strategic reasons and justifications for releasing the general election white paper and doing this investigation to see how much it actually cost.
◆ Choi Soo-young: Last time, the best of our team talked about that. When he was Minister of Justice, then Minister Han Dong-hoon launched a separate team to create public opinion in favor of him. Then, do you think it's the same context and personality to conduct an image survey of yourself as a presidential candidate?
★ Jang Ye-chan: So even though the result is a little different, you have to say that you had a great obsession with managing your image, and as I said before, you make excuses about how you will make your image and that it's for the party in that serious general election, but I don't know what a gentle and unfamiliar man is going to do for the general election. This has no choice but to judge that there is a great obsession and effort to manage one's image. So what's wrong with that is the area of political judgment.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: The general election white paper will be available this month. Can I see you next month?
★ Jang Ye-chan: You have to come out quickly. Why are you preventing this from coming out like this even now? Which democratic party can stop the use of the white paper for the general election from coming out?
☆ Kim Sung-wan: But let me tell you a little bit. So, regardless of the white paper about the suspicion that Kim Dae-nam is close to the president couple, he talked about the subject that could attack CEO Han Dong-hoon and even wrote an article about raising suspicions of embezzlement by mentioning such a poll in Seoul's sound. But wasn't he from the presidential office? If you think about what he talked about, it means that this person played a role in managing the fan club. During the presidential election, when I was in the senior social affairs office after that, I was a little confused, but some say that I managed YouTubers. I've been doing what I've been taking care of since then. If you look at it like that, why would a person who has nothing in the face of the national convention talk to YouTubers about things that are unfavorable to CEO Han Dong-hoon, and why would there be a need to mention Kim Gun-hee? This means that even if he did not work in the presidential office in any way, he could only suspect that he continued to do what he had done in connection with something.
★ Jang Ye-chan: But Kim Dae-nam belonged to Na Kyung-won camp at the national convention. But as you know, those who are close and close to the so-called president supported candidate Won Hee-ryong a lot at the national convention. So I also want to point out that there are too many circumstances that do not fit to say the link to the presidential office.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: Top 3 this week! Let's move on to the third keyword. The third keyword is <Lee Hwa-young hearing>.
◆ Choi Soo-young: It was yesterday that Lee Hwa-young, a former lieutenant governor of Gyeonggi-do Province, was sentenced to prison for bribery in the first trial in connection with the Ssangbangwool remittance case to North Korea. Investigation Prosecutor Park Sang-yong, who impeached him, appeared as a witness at the impeachment hearing. It's the day before yesterday. The ruling party held Lee Jae-myung's bulletproof hearing and protested, but critics are now pointing out whether it is right for this witness to come to the National Assembly and be judged again.
★ Jang Ye-chan: It seems to have created a bad precedent. In the end, in defiance of the authority of the judiciary, Korea opened another presiding judge at the National Assembly, even though the separation of powers exists. However, it seems that it was a party only for the opposition party, where minimum fairness was not guaranteed. If this becomes commonplace and precedents arise, whether to call the witnesses involved to the National Assembly and inform our media of their unilateral opinions whenever there is a trial against the main party occupying the majority of seats in the National Assembly. However, it was laid out to be seen well by CEO Lee Jae-myung and to attack the prosecution, but as a result, it seems to have become a self-winner for CEO Lee Jae-myung. Because of this hearing, the transcript of former lieutenant governor Lee Hwa-young was released. Chairman Kim Sung-tae of Ssangbangwool
funded not only remittances to North Korea, but also for Lee Jae-myung's political activities. He also provided support for lawyers. As the recording came out, the ruling party said it would file additional charges against Lee Jae-myung and others for violating the Political Fund Act, so I think it was a harsh hearing.
◆ Choi Soo-young: As you said at the hearing, Joo Jin-woo, a member of the People's Assembly, released a transcript containing a conversation between former lieutenant governor Lee Hwa-young and his lawyers, and he said he was afraid of former lieutenant governor Lee Hwa-young. I'm a little curious about the implications of this word of fear, what do you think, critic Kim Sung-wan?
☆ Kim Sung-wan: I don't know. I couldn't figure this out well. I don't know exactly how to understand the intention. For example, Lee Jae-myung paid for his lawyer's expenses. I'm scared while talking about these things. He even expressed this, but if you look at the remarks he made as a witness this time, there have been a lot of suspicions. A seminar was held to kiss the suspects to each other. There are also claims like this. If a kind of prosecutor did something like that, the fact that they kissed the suspects is no different from an illegal act. I'm afraid that if I come out here and say this, I'll be retaliated again if I reveal such facts. There's a possibility that he said this. However, what I would like to tell you for a moment in the near extension of the previous statement is not that the suspect is unprecedented to appear at the National Assembly hearing. There was also a case of manipulation of state affairs. So, it's a little hard to mention that precedent, but I'm worried. As you said, it is a bit cautious to show the public that the suspect is constantly called to parliamentary hearings and unilaterally spews his or her claims. However, I think we need to think about this. Why did the Democratic Party have no choice but to call the suspect to a National Assembly hearing? I think we need to look at this part. Because there were suspicions that they held a seminar where the suspects talked together, and there were various suspicions and points about what kind of investigation method prosecutor Park Sang-yong was using. But the prosecution doesn't do anything about it. If this is the first time in our prosecution society, I don't know, but the prosecution doesn't respond properly even if this has happened before. So, the prosecution can conduct a political investigation, and even if there is pressure to make the suspect open his mouth or kiss or talk to the suspect, the prosecutor cannot be held accountable. There is no disciplinary action against dismissal. That's because the prosecutor didn't create a disciplinary action called dismissal in the sense of investigating fairly without being influenced by political influence. But I think it's a little wrong for the prosecutor to think that anything is okay. So, I think it is also necessary to punish prosecutors for distortion of the law in the event of cases where prosecutors abuse their authority and abuse their right to prosecute themselves, as they are in Germany.
◆ Choi Soo-young: But I think there's a fact about former chairman Kim Sung-tae that he said he was afraid of. So, in a way, there is an interpretation that it means that it is a little difficult for representative Lee Jae-myung to defend because the facts are clear.
★ Jang Ye-chan: Of course. That's why I evaluated it as a hearing I was trying to take off earlier because there was another new case. This case will eventually be on the investigation list. Former Chairman Kim Sung-tae was recognized not only for remittances to North Korea, but also for remittances to North Korea at least in the first trial. Former Deputy Governor Lee Hwa-young was sentenced to nine and a half years in prison, so if it is true that Lee Jae-myung's political activities continued to pay political funds, it could spread to another gate. Former Deputy Governor Lee Hwa-young again mentions that former Chairman Kim Sung-tae paid for the activities of this 'square'. Then, not only Chairman Lee Jae-myung but also former Chairman Lee Hae-chan is the most grown-up who remains in the Democratic Party. There is a possibility that it will grow into a political fund gate that can spread there. This will also take a long time to go to trial, but CEO Lee Jae-myung has already had a lot of cases, so you have to go to court at least three times a week these days, but it may increase another one.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: In the midst of this, the trial of Lee Jae-myung's remittance to North Korea has also begun in earnest, so why did you ask for the reallocation of the court?
☆ Kim Seong-wan: The Suwon District Court has two criminal departments, 11 criminal departments and 14 criminal departments. It means there are two judges. Then, the court usually pays random dividends. But I paid dividends, but the case was paid to the detective department 11. Criminal Department 11 is the court that convicted former Governor Lee Hwa-young in the first trial. However, from the perspective of representative Lee Jae-myung, if he was already guilty, he would just conclude that I was also guilty if he went to the court that judged the remittance to North Korea to be guilty and tried. I keep writing bad articles about this. Even if I were in that position, I would have felt the same way. There is a right to defend the suspect. In that sense, I don't understand to point this out badly.
◇ Profit line: Okay. I'll stop here. Kim Sung-wan, a current affairs critic, and Jang Ye-chan, a member of the Supreme Council of Young People's Power. Thank you.
◆ Choi Soo-young: Thank you very much.
☆ Kim Seong-wan, ★ Jang Ye-chan: Thank you.
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