- 與 Cho Hae-jin said, "The 尹 'I can't help it even if I become a special prosecutor' and provoked Kim 與, who has a border with the special prosecution, to make four votes."
- "Choo Kyung-ho dinner, aides who planned the Hong Joon Pyo meeting, 尹 has no understanding or strategy on politics."Resign Your Resignation"
[News FM Profit Line Choi Soo-young Issue & People]
□ Broadcast date and time: October 23, 2024 (Wednesday)
□ Host: Lee Ik-seon, Choi Soo-young
□ Performers: Cho Hae-jin, former member of the People's Power, Kim Byung-joo, supreme council member of the Democratic Party of Korea
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◇ Lee Ik-seon: It's time for Jungkook's friends. Let's take a sharp look at the current issues while there are witty remarks and stories, not Gang-dae-gang confrontations. I filled in with Buddy who are comfortable with those who are with us at this time. Kim Byung-joo, a supreme council member of the Democratic Party of Korea, and Cho Hae-jin, a member of the People's Power Party. Please come in.
☆ Kim Byung-joo, Cho Hae-jin: Hello.
◆ Choi Soo-young: I think we need to talk about it after Yoon Han-hoe-dong. After the so-called Yoon Han meeting, representatives Han Dong-hoon visited Ganghwa, Incheon, followed by President Yoon of Busan Beomeosa Temple, and President Yoon said, "I will go even if I get stoned," and then representatives Han Dong-hoon said, "I will follow the people's hearts." Where are you going if you go like this?
★ Cho Hae-jin: I don't like both of you. First of all, when politicians say that they will not dwell on their approval ratings from one side of the president's administration, it is actually the worst and most precarious time. At times like that, you don't express it on the outside, but you have to look at the public sentiment that reflects the trend of approval ratings and respond right away to it. So, it's okay to say that I'll bear the political burden in pushing for national tasks for the important future, such as promoting what I promised to the people, reforming, innovating, or renovating the state administration. In that case, it's okay to be stoned. But I don't think it's okay to disappoint the people with other things and say that it doesn't matter if they can't solve them and get criticized as they go like this. I don't think that's because it's a mindset that can get far from the public sentiment. Representative Han Dong-hoon or our party's public sentiment should be represented. What I'm sorry about is that it's important to respect public sentiment when it's already formed on an issue, but public sentiment doesn't just drop. When an issue is raised, public opinion and public sentiment looking at it are formed by watching the news and discussing with each other. In the process, in fact, the political party is created in the Constitution to function as a political decision-making function for the people, and in the process, the Democratic Party works very hard. This public opinion goes to their advantage a lot. It also reflects the public opinion's approval rating, but we were watching it then, and it's not necessarily right in the favor of the Democratic Party. There are fake news and incitement, so how should we accept it or accept it after public opinion is formed? We can't reject the public sentiment. I know there's a problem, but I have to represent it, so there's a problem. It's right to represent the public sentiment, but I want our party to play a role in leading the public sentiment without being swayed by incitement or fake news so that public opinion on the issue is formed properly when the issue is raised, especially in the ruling party. So, it is a good attitude for Han Dong-hoon to say that he will reflect it well because public sentiment is like this, but I hope that when the issue comes out, our party will take the lead and Han will take a step further to form public sentiment so that the right public opinion can be formed.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: Kim Min-seok, the supreme council member of the Democratic Party, said, "It was a small farewell ceremony for a farewell ceremony. ' Former lawmaker Shin Kyung-min said, "There is also a gold band."
Even before the meeting, I expected it to be bad, but this time, it was completely regulated as a farewell ceremony. Representative Kim Byung-joo?
☆ Kim Byung-joo: Politics is missing. In fact, if the president and the ruling party leader meet in such a meeting, whether it is a meeting or a private meeting, the people want an answer such as how to solve the difficult people's livelihood and solve the security crisis. And especially, the most important thing is how to deal with suspicions about First Lady Kim Gun-hee, and the most important thing is to discuss such things as the Kim Gun-hee Special Prosecutor Act and give an answer, but it's too much to call it a fierce talk. The truth is that the talks are about despair. I think I've gone to the point where there's nothing more to look forward to. This is more than petty, and I think President Yoon has the biggest cause. Everything is devoted to bulletproof Kim Gun-hee's spouse. There is such a perception that it precedes private things rather than public ones, and there are times when the party leader Han Dong-hoon is not recognized. You're still my man, are you against me? Then I'll show you what I've seen. I think that's what happened. CEO Han Dong-hoon also said, "I think I have a lot of problems. If you are the leader of the party, you should have said the right thing earlier, but I think you have seen this because you always say it and not do it with your actions.
◆ Choi Soo-young: But there was no briefing yesterday on the day of the meeting. Han Dong-hoon's representative said, "Park Jung-ha held a back briefing, but the president's office gave an explanation in the name of a high-ranking official yesterday. However, it was interpreted that the president simply told Han Dong-hoon, "What if we come up with a special investigation plan in line with the opposition party?" What is your interpretation, Senator Cho?
★ Cho Hae-jin: That's not what I meant. First of all, the special prosecution law is unacceptable to the president. The law that vetoed twice cannot be promulgated as a president because the bill is wrong and against the law. He made it clear to the public that it cannot be implemented, and when it is introduced, the political situation will be completely chaotic, but I can't say that I can accept it. You have to accept it. What should I do? That's not true. That's not what I really mean.
◆ Choi Soo-young: Then how do you feel?
★ Cho Hae-jin: I can't accept it. Anyway, in order to prevent it last time, I persuaded about 30 lawmakers to stop it, but the presidential office of the party has to do something to settle the public sentiment, but as it keeps getting worse, there are lawmakers at the border within our party. There are people who are very disappointed and offended by this, whether it is our president or the lady. There are also people who cannot control it confidently as the leader of our party. There are some people who can't do anything because it's just an anonymous vote at their disposal, so I'm worried. Then, the president should still try. One representative of the law is a lawyer, but this is a violation of the constitution. There can't be a law like this. You should say, "That's why I have to persuade you." It's very unpleasant to say, "What should I do?" If you want to do something, try it. On the contrary, the 4th surface ends, which can stimulate those who go back and forth from the boundary within the party. It could be stimulating, but I'm a little sorry that the president said that, but why would he disclose it? My staff told me that the president said that...
◆ Choi Soo-young: Rather, the back briefing was inappropriate?
★ Cho Hae-jin: What if the opposition party is about to give four people because it's just shaking up, but the party's presidential office makes four people? Rather, the so-called close-knit lawmakers who are close to representative Han Dong-hoon can ask for cooperation or manage them. Please don't do it. I don't like it, but I can say, "Please do it because this law should not be passed," but there are lawmakers who are in a neutral zone outside the boundaries and are dissatisfied with the president. Even CEO Han Dong-hoon can't do anything about those people. It's the same as doing it directly in the presidential office, but if you say something like that, it's even more explosive.
◆ Choi Soo-young: Then, didn't we have a lightning meeting hosted by CEO Han Dong-hoon just yesterday evening? But there are 22 people, so 21 active members. Then, should I look at CEO Han Dong-hoon's protest against this comment?
★ Cho Hae-jin: It's a group of lawmakers who are seriously worried now that they've been overbearing and empty-handed in general, if not necessarily that statement. Representative Han Dong-hoon is not a presidential candidate right now, and there is no guarantee of fraud right there, and they are not people who gathered after seeing it. Fortunately, I'm worried about the government, but since party leader Han Dong-hoon plays a role, I'm looking forward to it and trying to gather strength, but I'm worried that the presidential office is neglecting me like that, so everyone gathered. I just called him right away without a reservation appointment, but I think you should see in the presidential office that the public sentiment within the party is unusual. If you want to do it, try it. It's not something to do.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: I should also ask Senator Kim. It's someone else's party's job, but I'll judge if President Yoon gives me detailed information about who has specific problems. I'll do it on my own. It is an analysis that there is no will for personnel reform. How did you see it?
☆ Kim Byung-joo: That's right. It seems that the representative rejected this proposal. If you're willing to accept it, you have to listen to it and do it. Don't you mean you'll review it? as a typical example In fact, if you do that, even if you give it out, it's not legally like this, so you can get out of it like this. In fact, if you do this, politicians who used to be lawyers, especially prosecutors, will make errors. I'm trying to argue with the law everything. Before the law, there is the public sentiment and sentiment of the Republic of Korea. People are on the verge of exploding. So CEO Han Dong-hoon also reflected those things and said, "First of all, hit the Kim Gun-hee line in terms of personnel reform, Hannam-dong line." No, it's not. You have to show that kind of performance so that public sentiment should follow before they blame you, but it seems like they are going to go their own way, so the people are even more disappointed with President Yoon Suk Yeol, and the anger is more like this with First Lady Kim Gun-hee, and when I go around the region like this, there are many conservatives, especially elderly people, who regret that I took the picture of President Yoon Suk Yeol. Why on earth are you so bad at politics and I think anger is almost reaching the point of handover about Kim Gun-hee. People are going to a situation where they don't know what trigger will cause them to explode, and even if they get stoned, they will go my way. It feels like we're meeting a cliff.
◆ Choi Soo-young: Actually, lawmaker Kim's special inspection team also talked about representative Han Dong-hoon, but the conditions are a little different between the ruling and opposition parties. However, from the perspective of the people's power, the Democratic Party of Korea is planning to connect with the director of the North Korean Human Rights Foundation, but don't you have a plan to recommend the appointment of a special inspector to the president while talking about the risk of Kim Gun-hee?
☆ Kim Byung-joo: Well, it's questionable whether the inspector can play a role in it right now because he's going. So, we can't do well in the prosecution and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, and these law enforcement agencies can't do well, so we have to go to the special prosecutor as a special prosecutor. You have to go in this position. Prosecutors have actually become political prosecutors, not special prosecutors, and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit does not play its role, so in the end, they have no choice but to go as special prosecutors.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: Immediately after a meeting with a representative who had a glass of zero cola, the president called in Choo Kyung-ho, the floor leader, for dinner with senior members of the ruling party. Does this mean that you will pass Han as a so-called representative and communicate with the floor leader in the future?
★ Cho Hae-jin: I'm not 100% sure because I was sitting there, but isn't there a view from the outside anyway? That's exactly the time. CEO Han Dong-hoon came and said that the Kim Gun-hee Special Prosecutor's Law could be broken. Then I'll manage it through CEO Choo Kyung-ho. I'll crack down on votes over there. That's also meaningful. Representative Han says, "Take care of yourself. Take care of yourself. Take care of yourself so that you don't leave." Then, you can't communicate with representative Han and consult with him, but you can communicate well with representative Choo. As a result, there is little distinction between the party and the presidential office, so communication between the party and the presidential office can't work well with representative Han and it works well with representative Choo, so we will discuss a lot with him in the future. Even if it's not his intention to empower Representative Choo, the political context has no choice but to be read like that, but as a result, he has no choice but to look at it like passing the party leader. The party leader doesn't acknowledge it, and that's what happens. The problem is that if it's the president's intention, this is what I think, and from now on, we'll go to the party-government relationship like this, and if we wanted to let the party and the people know about it, that would be a really good plan and implementing the plan right away, but the result would be worse. However, the problem is that there will be such a political repercussion without being aware that it is only seen like that, and it does not come back as a good comment to the president. If the public opinion does not return to good reviews and the party does not just look at it well, but rather disappoints the public about the president's stance, it means that there is no understanding of the political situation and no strategy. I just did it. Every president's exercise of power becomes politics, and I expect this effect depending on my own goal and purpose. In order to do that, the shape of the whole process, the contents of the procedure, and the picture that looks outward are all done like this. I didn't mean it like that because I did this without exercising governance power, but it was seen like that by the world. This is very confusing. You're a person who hasn't been in politics, but what did the political staff next to you do?
◆ Choi Soo-young: But as you said, every president's writing and every gesture and every schedule are messages. On Monday, we will meet Han Dong-hoon, CEO of Passing, and today, Daegu Mayor of Hong Joon Pyo, who can be called an out-of-house senior. Of course, there's a reason.Ma has a reason to discuss it, but if so, I think that I will not deal with CEO Han Dong-hoon in the future, it could be seen as something like this beyond the isolation operation.
★ Cho Hae-jin: If we don't know about the results from the announcement, but there are important state issues in this area, such as Daegu-Gyeongbuk integration, and we discuss them with each other. If there is any advice-oriented result, it can be interpreted that this meeting was intended to be that way, but if the mayor of Hong Joon Pyo came out after having dinner with the president last time, and as representative Han Dong-hoon was in direct contact with the president, the staff who failed to stop the event should be held responsible. Mr. President, there were some side effects like that last time, and there is a possibility that Mr. Hong will say that when we meet when he doesn't have any special issues, but it becomes noisy again. So, I should have advised you not to meet unless there are any special issues at this time, and even if you meet, you should not be seen like that. I will know when I see the results, but if that happens again, I have to resign.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: Yes, I see. Are you saying that the staff should take responsibility?
★ Cho Hae-jin: No, that's what government aides do with their salaries, so what's the point of saying that?
◇ Lee Ik-seon: Actually, yesterday, former lawmaker Shin Kyung-min also said, "Stop chief of staff Jeong Jin-seok."
☆ Kim Byung-joo: Floor leader Choo Kyung-ho is also a problem. In fact, if there was a meeting with representative Han Dong-hoon that day, if the president asks him to come that evening, it seems to be divided in political terms. Then, you have to have a sense of political affairs that you think will not be appropriate today, but if you become the floor leader of the ruling party, you can follow him and talk about what he said, but from the outside, this is a completely isolated operation of Han Dong-hoon. In my opinion, Hong Joon Pyo targeted Han Dong-hoon when he said he was meeting Daegu Mayor this Hong Joon Pyo. So, they use the method of attacking by borrowing someone else's hand, but those things are actually handshakes. Therefore, I think that the presidential office and the middle-class politicians of the people do not know the public sentiment and do not know the sense of political affairs.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: A meeting between the ruling and opposition parties is expected to take place as early as this weekend, and former Prime Minister Kim Boo-kyum should pass the Special Prosecutor Act even if he makes concessions to Lee Jae-myung and Han Dong-hoon in media interviews. Wasn't there a comment like this? At the meeting between the ruling and opposition parties, the Special Prosecutor Kim Act will be on the agenda.
☆ Kim Byung-joo: Of course. In fact, the meeting between the ruling and opposition parties was first proposed by the president in the morning before the president and representative Han Dong-hoon met. This is not political, but rather, suspicions about First Lady Kim Gun-hee are exploding, and people's livelihoods are difficult, and in order to solve this security crisis, the ruling and opposition parties should put their heads together and squeeze their wisdom quickly. I think the chief of staff and other working-level officials will talk about the meeting between the ruling and opposition parties because they told me to hold another working-level consultation this morning.
◆ Choi Soo-young: Senator Cho, I would like to ask you one thing: this morning, representative Han Dong-hoon made a little sensitive remarks at an expanded party meeting. That's why I didn't have the right time. Before Lee Jae-myung's sentence in November, suspicions regarding Kim should be resolved. In fact, this comment came out right now with various pressures on CEO Han Dong-hoon. Then, if the real toxin clause is omitted and the neutral special prosecutor is restricted, so to speak, the investigation part is also limited, is there a possibility that it will be received from the national power?
★ Cho Hae-jin: I think there is a possibility that you will receive it and then you will.
◆ Choi Soo-young: You can get it.
★ Cho Hae-jin: Because that's what I've always said, but I think if a really high-ranking lawyer comes in and investigates it objectively as it is, a lot of things related to our first lady will be solved. Suspicions are resolved. Conversely, I always think that Lee Jae-myung or the Democratic Party of Korea do not want to conduct an independent investigation, but continue to lead the issue by dragging the special investigation for a long time, and even if there is an independent investigation after that, I want to conduct an independent investigation that just scratches it, not the best independent investigation suitable for finding out the facts. It's exactly like that. But I think it's okay because if a really neutral and responsible competent lawyer comes and investigates it in a short period of time, it won't drag on, it won't be dragged to the president's office, and it won't be scratched quickly. And I think Han Dong-hoon's remarks have a different purpose, but in fact, the Democratic Party and its supporters are putting pressure on the judges, who are scheduled to be sentenced on November 15th and 25th, in all directions. I'm getting almost everything right. I'm intimidated. There's nothing else. There is no way out of the law, so you made me scared, so wasn't there a cowardly Yoo Chang-hoon and some judges last time? You know the judges who ran away. If you hit the bat without making a legal judgment, it will inevitably be guilty, so just like the judges who ran away without hitting the bat because they were afraid of being hurt by him or his family, President Han Dong-hoon, the so-called representative of the president, is concerned that these judges might run away under the pretext of balancing the negative public opinion related to Kim Gun-hee with each other, and if he shakes it off quickly to prevent it, the burden on the judges and the psychological and psychological pressures from the opposition parties will be eased.
◆ Choi Soo-young: Then is there any possibility of a division within the party when that moment comes?
★ Cho Hae-jin: The presidential office continues to disappoint like this, and public sentiment continues to deteriorate like this. If representative Han Dong-hoon is the likely presidential candidate and he is about a year away from his presidency, he will be focused on representative Han Dong-hoon. There's nothing to see about that. However, there are two and a half years left, and if President Lee goes wrong, it is not a matter of the president, but of the party, the country, politics, the people, and the future of the Republic of Korea. The president is disappointed, but he needs to do well and stabilize for the rest of his term and then re-create the government. That's why I'm gathering them like that, so there may be conflicts, but everyone said that it's split and turns around. It's not easy whether it's turning or dividing.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: Since you talked about Geumjeong, I'll pull on the question that I'm going to ask you later. The 61% of the votes won by the People's Power candidate in this government coincidentally matched the 61% won by the presidential election, but there is an analysis that Busan public sentiment chose Han Dong-hoon's people's power rather than the Democratic Party.
☆ Kim Byung-joo: That's a sub-argument interpretation. Before talking about this, I think it is a very impure intention for representative Han Dong-hoon to ask about Kim Gun-hee before the election of representative Lee Jae-myung. There is no functional relationship between the Lee Jae-myung election and the resolution of suspicions about Kim Gun-hee, but representative Han Dong-hoon always puts some conditions on it. And there's a hole in it that has nothing to do with it. And I don't agree that Representative Cho is pressuring the justice department in our Democratic Party. Public sentiment is much higher than that of Representative Lee Jae-myung, who is innocent because it is unfair. In Geumjeong-gu, we lost a lot, but we were far ahead of the last local government election. In particular, despite the fact that the remuneration tax is ahead by about 7 to 3, it has caught up to 7% this time. I think the Yoon Suk Yeol regime didn't have a club telling them to do it properly, but instead, they listened to the whip.
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