[News FM Lee Ik-seon Choi Soo-young Issue & People]
□ Broadcast date and time: October 28, 2024 (Mon)
□ Host: Lee Ik-seon, Choi Soo-young
□ Performers: Kim Ki-heung, former deputy spokesperson for the president's office, Choi Byung-cheon, head of the New Growth Economic Research Institute
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◇ Lee Ik-seon: After last week's Yoon-Han meeting, isn't the Yoon-Han conflict really going too far? Speaking of this, the elders are giving advice. Former President Lee Myung Bak met with representative Han at the mortuary of former Vice National Assembly Speaker Lee Sang-deuk and said, "I was uncomfortable with former President Park Geun Hye, but I supported President Park after she came back to power."
☆ Choi Byung-cheon: I think President Lee Myung Bak just told CEO Han Dong-hoon what he wants to say to President Yoon Suk Yeol. Because at the time, the current power was the president of Lee Myung Bak, and the future power was the representative of Park Geun Hye at the time. So when I was president, I applied for the next presidential candidate. This is what I'm talking about. Then, from a standpoint, you just have to tell this story to the president of Yoon Suk Yeol as it is. I didn't like President Park Geun Hye, the next presidential candidate at the time, but I applied. That's what I'm saying, but I don't have a chance to meet President Yoon Suk Yeol separately, so President Yoon Suk Yeol can listen to this well because he told CEO Han Dong-hoon what he usually kept.
★ Kim Ki-heung: As far as I know, Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok met with former President Kim Lee Myung Bak. At that time, former President Lee Myung Bak said that the ruling party should help the president with one power. That's why someone empowered CEO Han Dong-hoon or the president. It's the so-called expression, but who's good and who's bad. It's not like that. Anyway, as a former president, Han Dong-hoon and the president's office gave us strength when they said, "You have to be smart about the current situation, never change the government." I really don't think this is right.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: I think it would be good for our elders to come forward and resolve these conflicts and give wisdom to the ruling and opposition parties and the party.
★ Kim Ki-heung: I mean, this is not the relationship between the opposition party and the ruling party, but in terms of parliamentary politics, conversation and cooperation, and the experiences and practices of the elderly were not just made all of a sudden, right? Everyone had a hard time then, too. It was very difficult at that time, but I think that there is no room for politics if you rely too much on the number or vote competition or something like that.
◆ Choi Soo-young: But in the midst of this, the Yoon-Han conflict could enter a little bit of an incubation period. I can see some of these stories. At a reverse interview with young party members yesterday, Chairman Han Dong-hoon said, "I did not oppose the president's individual opinion. So I said that it's that aspect of accepting change. Then Director Choi, should I see this as a sign of recovery in my relationship with the president?
☆ Choi Byung-cheon: This is what CEO Han Dong-hoon said yesterday during a meeting with the 2030 generation on the side of the people's power. That's exactly what I'm talking about. "I'm not objecting it personally, I'm objecting it publicly." So, I'm not objecting to it with any personal thoughts, but rather as a party leader or a conservative party leader, so please don't understand this as a person-to-person matter. In broad terms, it should be seen as representing the conservative's position, so rather than a reconciliation phase, and since CEO Han Dong-hoon appeared around the end of July, he has been talking about the parliamentary conflict, the increase in the number of medical school students, the Kim Gun-hee issue, and other controversies surrounding First Lady Kim Gun-hee. In fact, it was a little unusual in interviews and interviews with President Yoon Suk Yeol. It is common to refrain from talking before meeting, but public opinion may demand that Kim Gun-hee's line be organized. Should I say I told the media all the demands? I think representative Han Dong-hoon thinks that President Yoon Suk Yeol will not listen anyway. So, with an emphasis on differentiation itself, I continue to give a message that I disagree with President Yoon Suk Yeol. And on that very day, I also received a meeting with CEO Lee Jae-myung. A double differentiation strategy that differentiates him from both sides with the awareness that he does not agree with Lee Jae-myung's idea. In my view, I think this is just a strategic stance of the party leader.
★ Kim Ki-heung: It could be your line, but I think it could be because our director is interpreting it, but in a way, don't you say that you know better than anyone else because representative Han Dong-hoon has been with the president for 20 years? I think a little differently about that. It can be misunderstood that you understand someone like that. And it doesn't mean much that I know CEO Han Dong-hoon and President Yoon Suk Yeol when I was a prosecutor. Both of them are politicians now. Then you have to get to know. You have to admit that it may be different, and you have to look at the context of why there is a different story, and there are other people around between the two. Isn't the media interpreting it again? That's why it's very complicated even if you do one word. So in this case as well, he says that public things are more important and that I didn't do it with my personal thoughts, but I have to keep saying this, but the president remains in a very private realm. There is room for that to be seen again. I think so. So there is an aspect that I understand that CEO Han Dong-hoon said, for example, he is the CEO of a conservative party. I'm not personally like that. This is a kind of consciousness about the traitor frame. I don't want to do that. So, for example, if I want to succeed in this administration, don't I have to succeed in this administration? Like this, comfortably. Next, I will block the impeachment of Lee Jae-myung, the leader of the Democratic Party, with my whole body. I'd like to talk a little bit more comfortably and strongly. But it seems like you're sharing public and private affairs, but you're trying to deny that you're not. You don't have to do that.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: The white paper for the People's Power General Election was released today. It's been 201 days since I lost the general election. It came out at this point, but some of the contents were revealed, right? Not everything. Let's see what it's about. First of all, the reasons for the defeat in the general election include unstable party-government relations, incomplete system nomination, lack of winning strategy, lack of effective public relations content, lack of party philosophy and vision, dysfunctional think tank research, and Yeouido Institute. How did you like it?
☆ Choi Byung-cheon: There can be many aspects of the white paper, but if we list it in a department store style, it's all right and it's all wrong. However, the fact is that the reason why the people lost the general election was already revealed among the people at that time or according to the flow of opinion polls. One of the biggest factors was President Yoon Suk Yeol's failure to thoroughly organize the issue of First Lady Kim Gun-hee at the time, and the other was the public opinion sparked when former Defense Minister Lee Jong-seop, who was controversial over Private Choi, was appointed as the Australian ambassador at the time. There was a controversy over Hwang Sang-moo, but he also failed to settle it early, so there was a controversy over the green onion that President Yoon Suk Yeol himself raised the issue. So until the end of February, more polls showed that the power of the people was slightly ahead of the Democratic Party and the power of the people, but public opinion turned upside down as the first and second weeks of March passed. Since the incidents at that time were former Defense Minister Lee Jong-seop, the controversy over the green onion, and the case of Hwang Sang-moo, all three cases have in common are controversies from Yongsan. So, there is a conflict between the close and the pro-yoon circles in the white paper of the general election, but to be honest with what happened at the time, it should be said that the reversal of the general election was the most decisive because of President Yoon Suk Yeol. such a core thing And the public knows everything, and the fact that it is counted according to the flow of opinion polls is a little... I don't know whether it's because I'm conscious of Yongsan or not, but it's omitted, so I think we have no choice but to see it as a ceremonial and department store-like white paper now.
◆ Choi Soo-young: By the way, Rep. Cho Jung-hoon, chairman of the White Paper TF, said, "I didn't make this white paper alone, I didn't write it to criticize anyone, so criticizing this white paper is like turning a blind eye to their dedication and affection." Representative Han Dong-hoon made a slightly interpretable statement that the judgment of the people is actually more important than the white paper. How do you think about this?
★ Kim Ki-heung: So I don't think it's appropriate to denigrate any position of the white paper because it's been interviewing people involved for a long time. And for me, Han Dong-hoon said after the general election that he was responsible. If so, it's a political and political responsibility in a way because it led the general election over there, regardless of whether it was right or wrong. As for the so-called presidential office and responsibility, what is the percentage or the percentage? The people will know that, so I don't think it means much to see who did well and did poorly at this point in time. However, there is a bit of a risk from Yongsan in the presidential office here, and there are also some regrets in the party. Then, we just need to look at what the party can build up and what the president's office needs to change, but I actually ran a general election, didn't I? But since I ran, it's not 100% right for me to say everything from my point of view, but one thing that's unfortunate is that we're going to judge the general election. Lee Jae-myung said he would judge the representative of his country after that, but that was not right for me. Because we weren't good enough, we had to ask for another chance. since the general election Because, there wasn't much we could do in the face of the opposition. Then, in parliamentary politics, we're lacking in some slanted playground in parliament, but we still have to ask for an opportunity to do something, but we talked about the referee. I think there is a strategic miss.
◆ Choi Soo-young: Okay.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: Let's look at some issues within the ruling party. After the meeting, CEO Han Dong-hoon brought up the promotion of a special inspector as a solution to the First Lady Kim's risk. However, there is even a factional conflict between close-knit factions within the party. It is said that we will discuss this at the general meeting of the lawmakers early next month, so will this go to a vote?
★ Kim Ki-heung: I don't think I should go.
◆ Choi Soo-young: I'm hopeful. Or is it the party's will?
★ Kim Ki-heung: There is hope and party will.
☆ Choi Byung-cheon: How do you view the view?
★ Kim Ki-heung: I don't think the outlook will go. Because I think the general meeting will be next week at the earliest, and in the meantime, representative Han Dong-hoon and floor leader Choo Kyung-ho should reach a point of contact. For example, representative Han Dong-hoon wins. If that happens, wouldn't the media and opposition parties write "starting a lame duck Yoon Suk Yeol"? And if you win on the pro-Yoon side, your leadership in relation to your close relationship and representative Han Dong-hoon is over. Aren't you going to say that? Both of them are not good. Most of all, what I'm a little disappointed about is that the appointment of a special inspector by the President was a pledge. But we can do it. Other things about this. We linked it to receive some card from the opposition party in the opposition phase. You're asking me to recommend a director related to the North Korean Human Rights Foundation. If I were Han Dong-hoon, I think I would make a formal request to the Democratic Party. Do you want to meet him or recommend a director in relation to North Korea's human rights ambassador now? Then you'll get the answer from this side. If you say you don't do it, then explicitly stipulate that the Democratic Party has no will to do this. We're not going to talk about this part, so we'll discuss this part. However, even if CEO Han Dong-hoon thinks this is Sun, there is a procedure for this. If so, I think it's a little inappropriate to vote when you talk to the floor leader like this.
◆ Choi Soo-young: As a result, the vote is the beginning of division even within conservatives. But Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun also said that a compromise should be prepared, but can a compromise be prepared from a cold perspective?
☆ Choi Byung-cheon: In the past, we had this case in inter-Korean relations. And this is also the case with the relationship between the United States and North Korea, and there are quite a few cases where a compromise can be prepared only when there is an extreme confrontation. On diplomatic issues and in this case. So in fact, I think that the size of power and the size of responsibility are always linked to responsibility. So, President Yoon Suk Yeol's authority is much greater for President Yoon Suk Yeol and the Democratic Party, and President Yoon Suk Yeol's authority is much greater for President Yoon Suk Yeol and Representative Han Dong-hoon. The Republic of Korea also has a lot of executive powers, so President Yoon Suk Yeol thinks the biggest responsibility is very clearly. President Yoon Suk Yeol has little will to change his mind. Whether you just throw a stone or not, there are many aspects that have been shown as not paying much attention to whether 20% of the public opinion is down or not. In that sense, representative Han Dong-hoon is continuing his double-differentiation strategy in anticipation of the presidential election because it is similar to a successful government. I am different from President Yoon Suk Yeol and I am different from Representative Lee Jae-myung. So the Democratic Party of Korea's position is that a special prosecutor should still be conducted. But it was a matter of inspection, so this was also a kind of differentiated as a special inspection problem. The third stance. In that sense, if I go to such an extreme vote, it will be rather unresponsive in Yongsan, but this will also hurt in Yongsan. I think there is a high possibility that a compromise will be made if we go to extreme confrontation or cliff-edge negotiations because it is a blow like this or that.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: In fact, even within the conservative party, opinions are divided over whether it is a special counsel or an independent counsel, but lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun. The special inspection is frustrated within the party. Still, there will not be many votes to leave the re-vote of the Special Prosecutor's Office Act on Kim Gun-hee. I gave this prospect.
★ Kim Ki-heung: I don't think these are the four votes that came out of the last time's representative Han Dong-hoon's systematic movement. Because it's not easy to find the middle ground between 8 and 0 votes. Because it's not easy to coordinate this politically. And most of all, the current Democratic Party-style special prosecutor is not just continuing to find out the facts, but in order to bring down a certain president, Mrs. Kim, who is called weak link, in a department store style, so that all the allegations, suspicions, and past prosecution investigations were included. In that regard, I believe that even if the so-called intimate and pro-yoon are in conflict with each other, I will have that level of discernment.
◆ Choi Soo-young: In the midst of this, the Democratic Party of Korea is scheduled to hold a national condemnation contest on Kim Gun-hee at Seoul Station this week. Already, the Cho Kuk Innovation Party held an impeachment rally last weekend. Both parties are focusing on passing the Special Prosecutor Kim Act at the plenary session scheduled for November 14. Do you think there is a special reason for setting the 14th?
☆ Choi Byung-cheon: It's a little too much to ask me why it's special. However, in November, which many people can think of, there is a big five-way political event. November 5th is the day of the U.S. presidential election, and on the 15th, the trial of the Public Official Election Act against representative Lee Jae-myung will be announced. Then on the 25th, the results of the trial related to perjury teachers will be released. Like this, five letters. 5, 15, 25 are important dates with very big rhymes. On the 14th, the Democratic Party of Korea is going to pass a bill related to Kim Gun-hee's independent counsel by voting in the plenary session, but the Democratic Party may have thought about that. In fact, there could be a lot of things about Lee Jae-myung on the 15th. So from the Democratic Party's point of view, I'm trying to defend against any issue of public opinion. How should I put it? Mixing it together? You may have thought of that, but in many ways, this is also a concern for many people, so the Democratic Party of Korea is trying to defend it, but we will see how much it will be defended.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: Is this going to be a good thing? Would it be a bad thing? on the Democratic side If we nail this date to November 14th.
★ Kim Ki-heung: In my opinion, it was pulled to get water on the 14th, but I won't pass that day. It was not easy for the Democratic Party to set another date because the independent counsel and Kim Gun-hee's independent counsel law would not be passed that day. Because after the 15th, we wait for another 25 days. Who would you blame? We should blame CEO Lee Jae-myung. Because the indictment was made on both sides. So what I'm a little disappointed about is that CEO Lee Jae-myung smiles a lot these days and says many things, but the words are very sharp. It's very sharp. So even though you think you're innocent, you've been holding outdoor rallies, and you've come to the parliamentary inspection this time, and you've been pressuring the court chief, and you've recently been talking about presidential legislation like "coup, not coup," and "dictatorship, not dictatorship," but I have more than anyone else. So first of all, I've never had a parliament like this before who has absolute power and absolute ring. I think that you are leading the legislation, and I don't think the people will understand that you are taking the shape of a victim anymore.
◆ Choi Soo-young: No, but you said it won't pass on November 14th, why can't it pass? The opposition party has a large number of seats.
★ Kim Ki-heung: Oh, I thought about it again.
◆ Choi Soo-young: Re-decision.
★ Kim Ki-heung: I'm sorry.
◆ Choi Soo-young: So it will pass on the 14th, only scheduled for the 28th.
★ Kim Ki-heung: So in a way, there's nothing unusual about it. So for the Democratic Party, even though it's on the 14th, it's passed all the way to
◆ Choi Soo-young: That's right.
★ Kim Ki-heung: That's why I don't think it means much.
◆ Choi Soo-young: Okay. Then let's take a look at the last controversy. A new report on the controversy over Myung Tae-kyun came out, and Shin Yong-han, a former Seowon University chair professor who worked as the head of the policy support office in the 2022 Yoon Suk Yeol presidential campaign, said that the Future Korea Research Institute's unpublished opinion poll was used in the Yoon Suk Yeol camp, so did the Kyunghyang Shinmun report today have any repercussions? Is there not?
☆ Choi Byung-cheon: Of course there must be a wavelength. There are not many plausible explanations that the presidential office in Yongsan is explaining right now. If you explain it, it turns out to be a lie, and you said you only saw it twice at first, but there is a lot of evidence that it is not, and that Governor of Gyeongnam Province Park Wan-soo asked you to introduce the case related to former Governor of Gyeongnam Province Park Wan-soo, but actually, Governor of Gyeongnam Province Park Wan-soo said, "Let's meet in Yongsan," so I followed him. It's not that one or two people reveal this, but several people have testified at the same time, so it's hard to believe that Yongsan's explanation has lost credibility, so if you exaggerate it a little, you can't believe it's making fermented soybeans, but if you're political to some extent, you mix things that aren't true, but it seems to be an extension of the various trends.
◆ Choi Soo-young: Okay.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: That's it for today. So far, I have been with Kim Ki-yong, former deputy spokesperson for the president's office, and Choi Byung-cheon, director of the New Growth Economic Research Institute. Thank you both.
◆ Choi Soo-young: Thank you very much.
☆ Choi Byung-cheon, ★ Kim Ki-heung: Thank you.
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