Han Dong-hoon, "Presidential office personnel reform"...What is the direction of the government-government relationship?

■ Host: Anchor Um Ji-min, Anchor Park Hee-jae, Anchor
■ Starring: Choi Chang-ryul, Yongin University Special Professor, Park Sang-gyu, Current Affairs Critic

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[Anchor]
Han Dong-hoon, representative of the People's Power, is emphasizing personnel reform in the presidential office. After the by-elections, there is also a possibility of a solo meeting with President Yoon, and Choi Chang-ryul, a special professor at Yongin University, and Park Sang-kyu, a current affairs critic, will point out whether it will be a turning point in the party-government relationship or whether it will only deepen the conflict between the pro-Yoon faction. Welcome. Representative Han Dong-hoon of the People's Power went to Busan yesterday for the by-elections. At the scene, there was a question that Kim Gun-hee was suspected of being secretive, including Kim Dae-nam, the former administrator of the presidential office. Let's hear CEO Han Dong-hoon's remarks on that first.

He said that Yongsan needs to renovate its personnel, but it's actually a very sensitive issue because it's a matter of the president's personnel rights. And including this, CEO Han Dong-hoon is raising the level of his remarks on the recent controversy related to First Lady Kim Gun-hee, so where do you think the reason is?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
There must be a lot of things. The by-elections must have been conscious, and there is a high possibility of a solo meeting with the president. It can be seen that he talks about his position in advance, saying that he would clarify his position in a private meeting with the president. The other is the public's disagreement. Isn't that something we can definitely admit? It's like public sentiment against the government. So you can say that you just said what you think.

That's why it's like your identity. Isn't this something you've been talking about? Even before making remarks about Kim Gun-hee in particular, the fact that it should be in line with the public sentiment. This is what CEO Han Dong-hoon has said before. I think it's multi-purpose. I think it would have been judged that we can't go like this. And I think there must have been a strategic judgment to completely differentiate himself from the presidential office.

There must have been a purpose related to the political position of the individual, and I think it was a combination of the idea that we shouldn't go on like this purely. Isn't there a lot of people's perception that it shouldn't go like this rather than just being strategic and purposeful? And it's been a while since we lost the general election. It was the general election on April 10th. Nothing has changed since then.

There was also a meeting with the leader of the opposition.Ma has been like that since then. Also, at the press conference for the second anniversary of his inauguration, there was little achievement. And then, Myung Taekyun's story is a recent one.Ma talked about Kim Dae-nam, and there was a controversy over Kim Gun-hee's various activities. And after that, the conflict between representative Han Dong-hoon and the president has been going on even before that.Ma is a de facto power struggle that cannot be said to be just a conflict. If this is the case, the prosecution should come up with results that the public can understand about the Deutsche case, such as CEO Han Dong-hoon, saying, "We should refrain from working as Mrs. Kim right now." He went one step further and even talked about personnel reform. I think I said what I can say as CEO Han Dong-hoon. And it's gradually raising the level, but it's hard to talk about personnel reform.In fact, the core of reform and change is personnel reform. I think I said what I had to say.

[Anchor]
As the professor mentioned earlier, even Yongsan's personnel reform remarks came out like this. Chin Yun-gye has a private meeting soon, so I wonder if he asked for it in private like this. How do you think about it?

[Park Sang Kyu]
For me, this is very much for election purposes. I also think it's for external use. Because as I said before, the private meeting itself is a term that is originally premised on private. Why do you have to disclose it to the media? I also mentioned the number of 7 people. Even though it was something I could do as the Minister of Justice, I even presented a kind of guideline for the investigation. It's a controversial part. In addition, why did Kim's self-restraint even bring up the old ones dating back to 21 years to target the three most important points? Now CEO Han Dong-hoon is all-in for the election of Busan's Geumjeong-gu. It's the fourth time I went down to yesterday and it's going down again.

There is an election in four counties right now, and representative Han Dong-hoon needs to make it 2:2 so that he can have a momentum for the solo camp. To put it simply, you have to keep the gold tablets unconditionally and protect Incheon's Ganghwa as well. It's a glorious cry because it's an opposition battle. The superintendent of the Seoul Metropolitan Office of Education is a little far away. Therefore, it has become an extremely close race in the election for the head of Geumjeong-gu. with the opposition unified This is a very dangerous situation right now. As CEO Han Dong-hoon, who are you appealing to by making such a statement even if it is a little unreasonable? I'm not appealing to Yongsan, actually. From what I can tell. The bottom line is to the voters of Geumjeong, Busan.

I'm interpreting that I'm saying all I have to say, and I'm continuing to shoot back internally that the reform of the ruling camp can be achieved only when I have the power. Therefore, the reaction of the pro-Yoon system. Why can you make it work behind closed doors? That's what I think. Originally, if you want to be effective, you can talk to the ruling party leader when he meets with the president and produce practical results, but you keep talking to the media now. I think the election for the head of Busan's Geumjeong-gu District Office is very close.

[Anchor]
This is for external use. You said it's for election purposes. Then, how will the public sentiment be affected by CEO Han Dong-hoon raising the level of his remarks and continuing his public remarks?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
I told you earlier that it's a public sentiment. I won't tell you the approval rating right now.I don't think there's any data.

[Anchor]
Will it be advantageous for an election?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
Of course, I think it can be advantageous. In that sense, I said earlier that it was strategic and intentional, but I think there is a limit to analyzing it like that. I think it is true that many people are criticizing the current president's spouse's activities. And CEO Han Dong-hoon also talked about it. It's been a while since the last presidential election. I said it to the effect that I will only concentrate on internal assistance in the future. Mrs. Kim Gun-hee apologized at the time. It's about the presidential election. It's been a while already. And after that, isn't the various messes of the passport explicitly revealed right now?

The approval rating varies depending on the polls.Ma still can't get out of it. And in fact, going back further, it continues to have record-low approval ratings at the same time after democratization. after one's inauguration And then you can say this even if it's not an election, if it's not an election, you can say this even more strongly in the run-up to the election. But even if it wasn't an election, CEO Han Dong-hoon would probably have raised the level of his remarks in this way. I think so. Regardless of whether it is simply for external use, internal use, or election use, the ruling party leader and the president have a very deep difference in opinion from an objective perspective.

I think it's over the level of suturing or conflict. I think that's what we're talking about. So, CEO Han Dong-hoon has said a lot that this should be in line with the public's public sentiment, even before this incident became noticeable. I think it's an extension of that. And then there were a lot of things going on, and then there was an election coming up, and a solo meeting with the president was coming up, and a few things happened. There was also a controversy over passing each other over the dinner. This may be a trivial thing, but it shows the current addresses of the president, the ruling party leader, and the so-called two-top of the ruling party. I think we should think that this statement came out of such an extension.

[Anchor]
The critic said earlier that it was for election purposes, but there is a possibility of a solo meeting with the president after the by-elections. The agenda will be covered, but how do you think the remarks are feasible?

[Park Sang Kyu]
When the president left for the ASEAN tour, he was on the campaign trail, and it was also Busan. I can't go because I have to go. So I understood it, but there was another view that I could see him off for a while. It was uncomfortable then, too. But the president came on the 11th. We went to the reception then. If you look at the picture at that time, Han's attitude looks quite confident. It's a personal evaluation. Did you have a safe trip to meet the president with your hands very high? That's how I do it. What's this? I interpreted it like this. Now we have to accept the election results after the 16th. In fact, as I said earlier, there may be a scenario that you don't even want to think about for the ruling camp, but if the head of Busan Geumjeong-gu is handed over to the opposition party, it is unified as a Democratic candidate. It can almost take a devastating toll.

Who? CEO Han Dong-hoon. Therefore, as a representative, you have to make the report card pretty first. But I have to make a desperate report card, not just pretty, but I'm confident and to do that. I'm not saying that it's 100% for election purposes, but that personality is very strong right now. However, shaking hands and welcoming the president is pushing the president to the outside world as much as possible. Now you've had a good trip, and you've seen good diplomatic and sales performances. He told the public to meet me and solve the current political issues. CEO Han Dong-hoon wanted to show that the time for a solo meeting has come. So I'm very surprised by the by-elections. This is because it is a local election to choose the county head and the district head.

But the board got really big. The turnout for the Seoul superintendent election will come out a little later, but I know it's less than 10%. But right now, it's Yeonggwang Gokseong. It's more than 40% because it has characteristics, but Geumjeong and Gwanghwa. The reinforcement is a little higher. It has an early voting rate of around 20%. There are a lot of comments about the report card, the early days of the Han Dong-hoon, and what happened to Hong Myung-bo, but now it's an election that is held with the fate of the Han Dong-hoon. Therefore, the scene of receiving the arrival also has many implications. I think representative Han Dong-hoon is telling the president that it's time for a solo meeting.

[Anchor]
Some analysts say that Han Dong-hoon's recent remarks targeted the election to some extent, but others say that he intended to preempt the agenda ahead of his solo meeting. If this agenda is raised when President Yoon meets Han, especially personnel reform. How will President Yoon Suk Yeol accept it?

[Park Sang Kyu]
You'll pretend you don't know. Because I mentioned the names of seven people. So, I heard that there are already names circulating in many places, asking who the name tags are now and who are the seven people talking about? I'm not exactly sure, but I didn't say the name, but I said the number. There are seven people from Yongsan line. Now that we've done this, we've already put up the agenda. It's not just preoccupation, but CEO Han Dong-hoon has already raised the agenda through the media. If so, it remains to be seen whether President Yoon Suk Yeol will accept this agenda as it is. I'm also quite curious about how this will be announced after the solo meeting. Therefore, depending on the election result or the report card, whether the solo meeting itself will be successful or not is at stake. That's how I see it.

It's not like you said you're going to do it at all times. So we have a few days left, and the results of this election are very important. This has already grown more than the mayor and county elections. So the agenda has already been preoccupied by CEO Han Dong-hoon. However, it remains to be seen whether the president and the presidential office will accept the offer. That's how I see it.

[Anchor]
How do you analyze that President Yoon will accept this agenda?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
I don't think they'll accept it. I don't know. It is not easy to predict exactly, but it is such a crisis in the ruling camp that we can assume that the president accepts it or approaches some consensus, if not, but we directly demanded a personnel change from the president. Then, as a president, wouldn't it be very unpleasant even if it was close to the truth anyway?

First lady Kim Gun-hee is an actor for the president. The Deutsche stock price manipulation case is also about Kim Gun-hee, and the prosecution should come up with results that the public understands. In this situation, I don't know whether the solo meeting will be successful or not, as I said earlier. Even to me, the date hasn't been set yet, and CEO Han Dong-hoon talked about this vaguely last time. Also about the solitary confinement. So, the president accepted my own room.I'm not sure if this will happen.

[Anchor]
However, if Yongsan cancels the private meeting in this situation, it will be a conflict between the government and the government.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
The chances of cancellation are very low. But I'm just saying that we can't rule out the possibility, and if we can't even do this alone, it's a bigger problem. However, the problem is the so-called several agendas that CEO Han Dong-hoon talked about. Will the President accept matters? I think it's a bit of a question. If that happens, if there is no outcome after the solo meeting, the so-called meeting between the president and the opposition leader did not produce any outcome. There was also a briefing on the state affairs. It is also true that there were many criticisms such as why the president keeps talking about things that are far from the public.

This time again, they go their separate ways after having another private meeting. The president and the leader of the ruling party. Then I think there's only one person like that. I think we should coordinate the agenda before doing it. Just meet unconditionally, and then it doesn't pay off, it can be more of a crisis.

[Park Sang Kyu]
If I add to your words and give you a brief word, I can't actually defeat this solo meeting as a president or a representative. If the ruling camp's approval rating is falling at the same time, what if it doesn't even have a private meeting in the crisis? This is expected to be a very difficult fall, so I think a breakthrough can be made in the medical reform that is gradually reaching a point of contact these days. So there's something interesting. The medical community and the government met and fought a lot and discussed, but they shook hands with each other to see each other again after breaking up. This is the part that needs to be underlined. I didn't say there was nothing to see again.

And even if you're a freshman in medical school, you're talking about the 1.5th semester. The worst case of 7,500 students taking classes together in the first and second grades is now visible, and Deputy Prime Minister of Education Lee Ju-ho has no choice but to put them on the list if they don't return even after the government persuaded them this much. You can't go to medical school these days, right? You give up medical school you've already gone to and you're enrolled in? Probably because parents don't want such a situation, the parties don't think so, but if so, what kind of consensus can Han or the president or the president find with each other? Mrs. Kim Gun-hee's problem, it's a hot potato.

It's not easy to touch things like personnel rights. On top of that, the prosecution's investigation and other issues are not free from such criticism as, "What did you do then as the Minister of Justice?" In healthcare reform, there is some consensus and tangible results. Something has to come out. Dokdae, what's the point of meeting you two? The results need to come out. Because the results are important, I think that the two sides are carefully coordinating behind the scenes.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
I think there's a part like this. You said something very important, but the issue of Mrs. Kim Gun-hee became a key issue, not just a very hot potato or a hot potato. It is a hot issue in the dispute between the ruling and opposition parties, and not only the national power. Then, the issue is a hot issue in the political situation, and this is not discussed in the so-called solo meeting between the ruling party leader and the president, and the president and the ruling party leader, which was difficult to achieve? Let's just talk about medical reform in moderation. So, the media will interpret it as having little success in its own conversation. It's a question of how to coordinate this, but you need a very high level of political power. But is the president accepting everything that Han said? That won't be easy either. You have something to say about

This is the job of the prosecution. He'll say it's nothing to do with me. In addition, Kim's restraint in activities is something that can be said, "I will look at the public's public opinion anyway," and then I will take care of the personnel reform of the presidential office. Because it's with the president in charge of personnel management. If this happens, this will be the end when many people go in the direction of change that the people want rather than the two-top of the ruling party anyway, and the president and the ruling party leader. However, it is true that there is a question of whether it can be done like that. Nevertheless, CEO Han Dong-hoon is talking about himself. Why does the presidential office keep its position private? Aren't you supposed to say it like this? The pro-Yoon core is... There's a bit of trouble from here. I don't think that disclosure and disclosure are that essential.

[Anchor]
In the meantime, the Democratic Party of Korea is repeatedly putting pressure on representative Han Dong-hoon. He was pressuring the president to persuade the special prosecutor Kim Gun-hee and the special prosecutor of the Marine Corps, and CEO Han Dong-hoon said that the investigation was continuing while he was the Minister of Justice, but he was not willing to lead it until now. What do you think about this?

[Park Sang Kyu]
As I said earlier, I can't be free from the controversy over what CEO Han Dong-hoon did when he was the Minister of Justice at the time. That's why you said earlier that the election is dark, and that's what you're saying. But when this is reflected, is it giving guidelines to the justice minister now that he didn't do it when he was the justice minister? This is the part where the question mark is taken. It's a very cautious and sensitive issue. So in reality, I convened another investigation review committee. Of course, the prosecution has already expressed its position that it will not be prosecuted. With that alone, as Choi said earlier, will public sentiment, especially that of the middle class, be soothed? In this situation where there is Ivan inside the passport, something is more like one step more when it comes to the issue of Kim Gun-hee. I think we need an advanced position.

Then, if the president does not come up with a solution to this issue and does not change his position, will this be possible? This is my concern. November 10 marks the turning point of Yoon's presidency. If you think about it, there's less than a month left. We need to find a reversal of approval ratings and the driving force of Jungkook. In November, we have an important summit diplomatic schedule in South America, including APEC and the G20, and we have to go to the summit diplomacy. However, the fact that the president's office already recognizes that the economic performance is limited only by such summit diplomacy and that the public sentiment is going in that direction means that medical reform can be a breakthrough, and the two most important issues are the Kim Gun-hee issue and the Special Prosecutor Act. The independent counsel law has already drawn a line.

as there is an unconstitutional element However, if the Democratic Party really wants to pass this once, the Democratic Party of Korea will consider removing the toxic clause after the election, especially Chairman Lee Jae-myung, and the expression "temptation" is a bit of a bait for persuasion.

[Anchor]
Now, the Democratic Party of Korea is attacking First Lady Kim Gun-hee, and on the contrary, the power of the people is criticizing representative Lee Jae-myung's judicial risk. The Democratic Party of Korea is now reading an atmosphere of confidence in innocence, but if convicted, it will come out next month. If it comes out, will there be a change in the Democratic Party's unipolar system?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
The question of guilt is what kind of guilt. It's a difference between heaven and earth whether you're guilty of deprivation of your right to vote or the loss of your seat.Ma. I think this is the first trial. There are 2nd and 3rd trials left. If you look at the current landscape of the Democratic Party of Korea's power, it's not about yesterday or today, it was like that during the general election, and it was completely reorganized during the general election, so-called pro-party. Even if the conviction is found here to be equivalent to the loss of the parliamentary seat, there will be internal agitation, centered on the real name. Nevertheless, Chairman Lee Jae-myung and Chairman Lee Jae-myung are likely to say, "Look at the Democratic Party, the court is polluted." Considering the Democratic Party's behavior, the court can also put pressure on the prosecution.

You can make a law, I think. Look. It is certain that the court will also be innocent, but why didn't it impose such a heavy punishment on the case that constitutes innocence? So to the court. There's already been a lot of talk about the law. Not just the law related to the prosecution. I'm more likely to do that, so I'll come out stronger. Maybe. So even if I'm found guilty in the first trial, I'll say the so-called unipolar system. Well, the word "one drama system" comes from international criticism, and since others use the word "one drama system," I don't think the one drama system will be shaken if I use it as it is.

That's what I think. Only the attack will be strong in the ruling camp, and as for the middle class, it is difficult to represent Lee Jae-myung. Not only this trial, but there are also a lot right now. Daejang-dong, Baekhyun-dong, Seongnam FC. It's too much to say. There are many cases like that, so there are many cases where they are tried. It opened up a new beginning. I don't think there's anything completely wrong because I opened the first clue. Nevertheless, I don't think the so-called unipolar system or the current status as an opposition presidential candidate will be shaken.

[Anchor]
Finally, let's take a look at this topic as well. It's a matter of early voting. It is 22 percentage points lower compared to the early voting rate of the 22nd general election held in April. The early voting rate is 8.89%, what do you think?

[Park Sang Kyu]
It's low. It has to be low. As I said, isn't there a fight between the two places in Honam? Looking at the results of the recent poll, you will remember that the Progressive Party came up in the past. Hundreds of progressive candidates from Jeonju volunteered to come and spend their own money, and then flipped all over the city of Jeonju to get up early in the morning and clean up wearing purple jumpers. It's said that's happening in Yeonggwang Gokseong, too. There are 700 people and 1,000 people. I can't ignore this.

Because there may be voters who feel that the fight between the ruling and opposition parties is cliché and hateful, but the Progressive Party is just keeping its mouth shut and quietly volunteering. Surprisingly, if the result is not the Democratic Party or the Fatherland Party, but the Progressive Party wins the election in glory or Gokseong, it will be a very interesting point. Therefore, even as representative Lee Jae-myung, we cannot rest assured. You have to make it 2:2 and go out to make it 3:2 to give strength to Lee Jae-myung of the Democratic Party. But of course, there is a scenario prepared. It's just a local election. Let's not give too much meaning. But it's going to be quite bitter inside. Therefore, as I said earlier, representative Han Dong-hoon, who is visiting Busan Geumjeong more than during the general election, or representative Lee Jae-myung, who seems to be all-in even though it is a local election. It's a battle that's all about having a very important pride and real control over the political situation.

[Anchor]
What do you think of professors related to early voting?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
In October last year, the early voting rate was quite high in the election for Gangseo-gu Mayor. At that time, it was 22.64%. It was 8.48% on the first day. However, compared to that, Honam area is high now, but other areas are lower than that. Not to mention the election of the Seoul Superintendent of Education. I don't think there's much interest in the election of the Seoul Superintendent of Education yet. That's why the pre-voting rate is also very low, but I don't think it's easy to judge which one is more advantageous with the pre-voting rate.

However, as our critic Park Sang-gyu said, if we lose Geumjeong, Ganghwa Island, and Ganghwa County in Busan, Han Dong-hoon will face considerable attacks from his friends within the ruling camp. On the contrary, the Cho Kuk Innovation Party and the Democratic Party are fighting for their lives in Gokseong, Yeonggwang, with Lee Jae-myung and Cho Kuk. It's the same here, the opposition. So when you get 2:2, you maintain the status quo, and you crack at 2:2, both sides. If that happens, I think some impact is inevitable.

[Anchor]
I see. We'll wrap it up here today. I've been with you two. With Choi Chang-ryul, a special professor at Yongin University, and Park Sang-gyu, a current affairs critic. Thank you.