Han Dong-hoon, who raises his voice level, said, "You shouldn't have that kind of person."

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■ Starring: Seo Yong-ju, head of the Political and Social Research Institute, Yoon Hee-seok, senior spokesman for the People's Power

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[Anchor]
Political commentary with a living angle, let's start at the minute. Today, we have two people, Yoon Hee-seok, a spokesman for the People's Power of the People, and Seo Yong-ju, director of the Political and Social Research Institute. Welcome. Let's check the content of the first topic. Please show us. The Kim Gunhee line? It shouldn't exist. Representative Han Dong-hoon, who insisted on the presidential office's personnel reform, raised the pressure level today. Kim Gun-hee line, I mentioned this term myself. Let's listen to it.

The presidential office needs to overhaul its personnel. There was a question of what the hell are you asking me to renovate, but I specifically mentioned the contents of the Kim Gun-hee line today.

[Applicant owner]
That's right. I was also surprised to see CEO Han Dong-hoon's questions and answers with reporters. Isn't this the level of war before the dinner and the confrontation ahead of the solo meeting? For example, there's a screen that actually pauses when reporters ask about the president's spouse before that briefing. So he seems to be worried about something, and he stipulated that Mrs. Kim Gun-hee is not a person in public position. Therefore, many of the things that Mrs. Kim has done so far are difficult to earn the trust of the people, and Yongsan should not move around Mrs. Kim.

And according to media reports, there are now reports that there are seven lines, but the ruling party leader has been very aggressive in expressing that they are inappropriate because they should not exist. There must be a lot of people who have never heard of Kim Gun-hee's line before, but what kind of role did CEO Han Dong-hoon say that there should be no such organization?

[Yoon Heesuk]
Isn't there a case where the definition of Kim Gun-hee's line is that administrators, secretaries, or those who have official status in Yongsan have close relationships with Kim Gun-hee and exercise authority beyond their public authority?

[Anchor]
You're doing something other than your job?

[Yoon Heesuk]
That's right. That's why it's possible to exert more influence in the process of official work, and it's a situation where the opinions of those who need to exercise their abilities are not well communicated or pointed out that this is happening.

[Anchor]
There are 7 people in the market, and they are also known by their initials, so was there a rumor like the Hannam-dong Line in Yeouido, the so-called Kim Gun-hee Line?

[Seoyongju]
It's been quite a while. Strangely, it's weird when a message from Yongsan comes out in pigtails. This is the system of the president's office that comes out in a unified message. Strangely, for example, if we get closer to the establishment of the second annex, all the candidates at the convention said that the second annex should be installed, but the president originally talked about the establishment of the second annex in front of the public. However, the president's message is that the second office is ridiculous. Isn't this Hannam Dongbal? After all, the second part of the office is Kim Gun-hee. So, when the message from the presidential office was the exact opposite of what the president said, there were doubts and speculations that it existed separately in Yongsan and Hannam-dong.

Recently, however, Kim Dae-nam's recordings are now going from "Sipsangsi" to "Chilsangsi," and Kim Gun-hee's message, according to Kim Dae-nam's recordings, that she is taking young children and conducting state affairs, probably led to media reports. So it's hard to say that there's no existence at all.

[Anchor]
It's a story that's going around right now. Although this is not officially confirmed and is not an official organization, Secretary L, Secretary C, and Secretary K, the line of First Lady Kim Gun-hee has been established. I don't know what role each played. Anyway, it is rumored that administrators and people with certain titles are operating as First Lady Kim Gun-hee's line. What do you think is the intention of CEO Han Dong-hoon to say this at this point ahead of his solo meeting?

[Yoon Heesuk]
First of all, we need to pay close attention to the timing of the by-elections.

[Anchor]
You're conscious of the by-elections?

[Yoon Heesuk]
First of all, we have to keep two positions: Ganghwa-gun, Incheon, and Geumjeong-gu, Busan. Recently, amid the concentration of reports on various problems in our party, especially suspicions about First Lady Kim Gun-hee, we will show the people what can change the ruling party as the party leader at a time when the election atmosphere is not so good. In that sense, we will directly discuss issues that have been latent and reveal our will to the supporters to increase the voter turnout and eventually increase the vote rate. Of course, there is this calculation. Don't we have to see each other in the future? Considering the two first trials of Representative Lee Jae-myung in November, the political situation will fluctuate greatly, and both the ruling and opposition parties are likely to leave such suspicions unattended in the process and be swept away. Then, as the party leader, I point out this part in advance. I think these remarks continue to be made in terms of wanting to show such an image to the public.

[Anchor]
In addition to that, if I were to have a private meeting, I would tell the president of Yoon Suk Yeol about this, would it be a declaration of war like this?

[Yoon Heesuk]
That's how we should look at it. You don't know exactly what to say if there are only two people in your own room. I will definitely say this in advance this time. Everyone will doubt whether they can talk about this, but I think CEO Han Dong-hoon's idea is to show that he will solve the problem with certainty and practice solving the problem.

[Anchor]
In any case, the party leader has come to the point where he is referring to the first lady's line, but the president's office has stated that it is not in a position rather than angry about this. How can you interpret that?

[Applicant owner]
It is not the usual presidential office to say that there is no position on the criticism of the first lady, who is representative Han Dong-hoon's day, since the request for a private meeting came from the presidential office. I think it's the president's office that's a little embarrassed right now. If you look at the situation, you can think that CEO Han Dong-hoon is in real power just two or three months ago and then now, CEO Han Dong-hoon is in more detail. So I think the presidential office is very disappointing. Because Kim Gun-hee's risk itself is not a situation where people's public opinion and they can't stop it at the moment. Also, this was expressed in Kim Dae-nam's recording, right? There was a recording that Kim Dae-nam did something to destroy CEO Han Dong-hoon through a reporter from Seoul Sound.

[Anchor]
That's where the initials came from.

[Applicant owner]
That's right. The initials came from there, and after that, Chin-yoon is assumed to be behind Chin-yoon and Yongsan is behind Chin-yoon, and CEO Han Dong-hoon seems to think the same. That's why I just hit it right away, but when I see the president's office can't fight back, it seems like there's something smoke coming out of the chimney.

[Anchor]
Anyway, there was a lot of speculation that the one-on-one meeting would be canceled with this level of remarks, but today's report said that they will set a date for early next month. What does this mean?

[Yoon Heesuk]
There's no way that the private meeting will be canceled. In the meantime, I knew that representative Han Dong-hoon continued to request a private meeting, but he said he would not respond to the president's office at that time, but he said he would see the right time. I understand that I made a proposal to CEO Han Dong-hoon after that. Therefore, if the private meeting is canceled, the presidential office's position will be very embarrassed.

[Anchor]
Should I say Yongsan requested it this time?

[Yoon Heesuk]
That's how I see it. You can express that you responded, but anyway, it's Yongsan that we talked about, so of course, this time, we have to say that a solo meeting will happen unconditionally.

[Applicant owner]
I don't think we can rule out the possibility that the solitary confinement will fail. Because the level of attack on Kim Gun-hee continues to rise, CEO Han Dong-hoon, so it may be Kim Gun-hee who is actually accepting the solitary confinement. However, when Mrs. Kim Gun-hee became uncomfortable and said, "I don't want to meet the president," the president cares about and loves Mrs. Kim Gun-hee so much that if she hears that again, there is a possibility that the private meeting will be canceled, I think so.

[Anchor]
Anyway, if we have a solo meeting next week, I think it'll be very important to know what will happen between the two of you. First of all, we'll see how the date is set. Let's move on to the next topic. Please show us. Regarding the controversy over Myung Tae-kyun, Myung Tae-kyun had a media interview today. Regarding the unification of the Seoul mayor, I said that I made a board. Let's hear from Myung Tae Gyun who did the radio interview this morning.

[Anchor]
Myung Taekyun is continuing to reveal things through SNS. I did a media interview today. So, the Seoul mayoral election, in which Oh Se-hoon was elected as Seoul mayor, is this what you're claiming that I made the game?

[Applicant owner]
That's right. In the mouth of Myung Tae-kyun, the prominent politicians of the people's power and Yongsan are almost at the level of a joke right now. So, even if it's not manipulating state affairs, there's no action despite the fact that it's manipulating state affairs. Why is it so quiet? If you look at the report now, even though a month and a half have passed since the sole report on the nomination intervention between First Lady Kim Gun-hee and Myung Tae-kyun on September 5, there are no specific investigations or counterattacks against Myung Tae-kyun. It's the same in Yongsan. And now Mayor Oh Se-hoon is like that. The same goes for the Hong Joon Pyo market. It's a situation where I can't deny that it's not like that. Kim Jong-in, former chairman of the emergency committee, is also thinking that his words are going back and forth.

So, I can't ignore the part that Myung Tae-kyun created Seoul Mayor Oh Se-hoon, but I can't deny that Myung Tae-kyun existed between Oh Se-hoon, Ahn Cheol Soo, and Kim Jong-in. So I'd like to clarify these parts. CEO Han Dong-hoon said that. People related to Myung Tae-kyun say that it is the right decision to just reveal the truth confidently, but everyone is hiding what's inside and spinning the bomb with the outside, so the state affairs are a bit chaotic because of Myung Tae-kyun.

[Anchor]
However, there are many people in the political world who are bragging about who I made something, but what Myung Tae-kyun is saying now is that he was involved in the unification negotiations at the request of former chairman Kim Jong-in, and what percentage of wired and wireless? I'm even listing the details right now. How credible should I be?

[Yoon Heesuk]
At that time, when Kim Jong-in was chairman of the emergency committee, I also served as a spokesperson. And I created something called Vision Strategy Office, in preparation for the April 7 by-elections. I know this process so well because I was in it. You're talking about wired and wireless. Compared to fixed-line phone users' households in Seoul, about 8% of them are included, and there was a clear question of what percentage they would put in and conduct a poll to unify them. After that, when conducting the survey, there was a lot of talk about how to do the question according to competitiveness or suitability. We've all reviewed it. But if you listen to this person, he's saying that he's changed the situation of being a Ahn Cheol Soo candidate to Oh Se-hoon by providing a solution that doesn't exist in the world.

[Anchor]
It means that I held the key.

[Yoon Heesuk]
In that sense, there are too many people who hold the key. Even if you gave up a hundred times and communicated with Chairman Kim Jong-in and others, the people will all judge who will have changed the winner if it wasn't for me because I made this round. It's just a bluffing statement from someone who is too exaggerated and likes to reveal himself, so I have no choice but to look at it like this.

[Anchor]
In any case, former chairman Kim Jong-in is a famous political 9th dan and has a long experience in politics, but he is emerging as the core of the controversy over Myung Tae-kyun.
Former Chairman Kim Jong-in is lying, so either Myung Tae-kyun or Kim Jong-in is lying, right?

[Applicant owner]
You can see it like that, reasonably. So, according to Myung Tae-kyun, Kim Jong-in, the chairman of the emergency committee at the time of the by-elections, he wanted to create Oh Se-hoon, the mayor. That's why I discussed that a lot with myself and I intervened in it, but it's like that when it comes to rituals. People who say I made someone in Yeouido don't even set up a ritual table, and people who just bow to it just because I participated in the ritual, I set up this ritual. After all, looking at the details of what Myung Tae-kyun lists, various points of view, and the reason why not only Kim Jong-in, chairman of the emergency committee, but also Mayor Oh Se-hoon, can't refuse at all, didn't Myung Tae-kyun touch at least Hong Dong-baek's white paper himself? That's why I reasonably suspect that even if you didn't perform the entire ritual, you might have at least set the table.

So, I have to be more honest about why Myung Tae-kyun refutes these parts as just a lie when Kim Jong-in's image is always honest and outspoken. Now that Myung Tae-kyun is not a matter of people's power, but the entire country is in chaos, I think it's time for the people's power or various politicians to clean up this part.

[Anchor]
In a morning radio interview, Rep. Park Jung-hoon said, "Let's cover this up and move on." At that time, Myung Tae-kyun insisted on how he was involved in the Seoul mayoral election and that we should thoroughly investigate these areas.

[Yoon Heesuk]
But I wonder if there's anything to come out of the investigation. At least in the process of the Seoul mayoral by-elections, there are too many exaggerations that he said. And there's nothing I can reveal. I hope there's some evidence. However, there is nothing to present as evidence because we did not leave questions or wired and wireless telephone rates during the election process, but at least the people involved in it have multiple people from the party and what they remember is the same as me, so it doesn't make sense that even if Myung Tae-kyun could intervene in it, he did what he said. Also, it is said that the public opinion poll was manipulated to attract public opinion. Is that possible when there are more than one or two polls? I think the people will judge it all.

[Anchor]
Assuming that all of Myung Tae-kyun's claims are correct, he should be the godfather of the political circle, not an election broker. Anyway, we're even interviewing the media like this, so why isn't there a parliamentary audit?

[Applicant owner]
So isn't this really ironic? I feel like I'm distracting my attention while playing the media like this. If you are really proud of yourself, you should come to the parliamentary audit and take an oath, and depending on the questions of the lawmakers, this part is like this, and this part is different from the truth, so why isn't it coming out? He wants to avoid taking legal responsibility by coming out as a witness. So, to some extent, it's like acknowledging that you have your own bluster, but in my opinion, Kim Gun-hee disappeared as Lee Myung-tae-kyun's remarks are now in the media.

At first, the relationship between Kim Gun-hee and Myung Tae-kyun, whether Kim Gun-hee really intervened in the nomination process or whether the president intervened again, through the medium of Myung Tae-kyun. These areas were the focus, but now they disappear and attention is focused on other areas. I think I'm aiming for that. After all, isn't the path that Myung Tae-kyun lives in such a way that the most powerful person wants to be protected within the legal realm by protecting the president and his wife? So I would also like to advise the media and politicians, especially the ruling party, to stop playing with Myung Tae-kyun's words.

[Anchor]
I said that if I open my mouth, the world will be turned upside down, but I also think it would be better to prove my argument in a more confident way. Let's move on to the last keyword. Please show us. The third story is by-elections, and I'll talk about it instead. There are things that both the ruling and opposition party leaders are putting forward as key keywords with the by-elections just around the corner. Let's listen to it together.

[Anchor]
Now, the leaders of the ruling and opposition parties are making different arguments. First, CEO Han Dong-hoon. Do you think this will have an impact on the by-elections when Kim Young-bae's remarks are on the offensive, saying, "Isn't the Democratic Party's sincerity?"

[Yoon Heesuk]
There could be. In particular, the turnout is a little low because it is a by-elections, but if you look at the early voting rate this time, you will see only half of the glory or wailing. In some ways, it's very likely that Democratic supporters are disappointed. That's what Rep. Kim Young-bae said. Of course, it can be said that he did not know and did not know why this election took place, but at least he is a second-term lawmaker who has done it twice. Then, if you think about the weight of your remarks, shouldn't you know this much and say it? In addition, you always use the word "blood tax" as a habit and talk, but don't you also receive blood tax? If you think about where the taxpayers' money you received will be used, I think the Democratic Party should take a more firm action and have a more sincere apology to the residents of Geumjeong.

[Anchor]
The bereaved families of former district chief Kim reportedly even filed a complaint with the police on charges of defaming Kim Young-bae. Didn't CEO Han Dong-hoon say that when we were all together? They refute why there's no action and it's not sincere to come later and do this later.

[Applicant owner]
I don't think CEO Han Dong-hoon is bringing the deceased mayor into a political dispute. Rep. Kim Young-bae, I know well, but he is famous for being very bright and good at talking, but I think he made a mistake because he didn't understand the reason for the by-election area. So when I found out, I was so sorry, and I heard that I was really sorry. The saying that there is no sincerity or sincerity because he said he would do his best to apologize to the bereaved families is that representative Han Dong-hoon is trying to attract it and use it for his own election ahead of the election, but I hope you refrain from that.

[Anchor]
Did you just refer him to the Ethics Tribunal?

[Applicant owner]
I've referred it. The party also filed a complaint with the ethics committee because it judged that such remarks were inappropriate ahead of the election. First of all, Rep. Kim Young-bae will resolve that part, but I think Busan Geumjeong residents will have a wise choice because Lee Jae-myung should make the election itself not as an election for the head of the district, but as an election for the government to propose a by-elections.

[Anchor]
Similar to the general election, representative Han Dong-hoon is trying to create a composition of Han Dong-hoon vs. Lee Jae-myung, but representative Lee Jae-myung is putting forward the second judgment as you've heard a while ago. So, it's a slogan like Yoon Suk Yeol vs. Lee Jae-myung, asking for a regime trial, right?

[Yoon Heesuk]
From CEO Lee Jae-myung's point of view, that's inevitable. He will try to avoid being constantly compared to representative Han Dong-hoon, and he will want to go back to the past because his political influence is different from his. But I feel like it's not well accepted by the people now.

[Anchor]
But is it true that the power of the people is feeling a sense of crisis in the Busan election?

[Yoon Heesuk]
That's right. To be honest, we actually expected the unification of the opposition party, but there were many things that we thought would not be possible until then, and it is true that the unification effect was more pronounced at the beginning than we thought. Also, the characteristics of Busan, and although we received a lot of seats in the general election, it was not that easy considering the difference in votes. If you think about it, this election is very difficult.From the current situation, Ma evaluates that we are still on our way to victory.

[Anchor]
The Democratic Party of Korea emphasizes that it should be a Yoon Suk Yeol vs. Lee Jae-myung election and that the government should judge, but in fact, there are many prospects that the result of the election will be held by representative Han Dong-hoon.

[Applicant owner]
That's possible. However, the Democratic Party sees it as a judgment against the Kim Gun-hee administration rather than a judgment against the Yoon Suk Yeol government. The risk to Kim Gun-hee is great for the ruling camp and the current government to the extent that the parliamentary audit is also conducting a parliamentary audit on Kim Gun-hee. So, I think it's probably being delivered in Busan that the public sentiment on the floor should not go like this. The big homework for the Democratic Party is Honam. So, if we can achieve the desired results in Honam, I think we will welcome the by-elections with a little more joy than Busan Geumjeong.

[Anchor]
In any case, President Yoon and Representative Han Dong-hoon's private meeting have also been held since the by-elections, so we will also see whether the results of the by-elections will have an impact. Yoon Hee-seok, a spokesman for the People's Power, and Seo Yong-ju, director of the Political and Social Research Institute. Thank you.