Park Joo-min said, "Yoon-Han's private meeting, the president will never give you a gift."

[News FM Lee Ik-seon Choi Soo-young Issue & People]
□ Broadcast Date: October 16, 2024 (Wednesday)

□ Host: Lee Ik-seon, Choi Soo-young
□ Performers: Kim Young-woo, former member of the People's Power, Park Joo-min, member of the Democratic Party of Korea

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◇ Lee Ik-seon: It's time for Jungkook's friends. There are witty remarks and stories, not strong confrontations, but let's take a sharp look at the current issues. I've called friends who are comfortable with us as best friends. We have two lawmakers, Park Joo-min of the Democratic Party of Korea and Kim Young-woo of the former People's Power. Please come in.

★ Park Ju Min, ☆ Kim Young Woo: Hello.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: Today is finally the day of the by-elections to select the heads of four local governments nationwide, including Busan Geumjeong, and the superintendent of education of Seoul. I think it can be a game that risks the fate of the ruling and opposition party leaders. Han Dong-hoon, the representative of Busan, has also been there about six times, and the Democratic Party is continuing to reverse, so how do you predict the results of each ruling and opposition parties?

☆ Kim Young-woo: I'm very careful. We can't do that campaign again because the voting is in progress. Can you predict now? From what I and I have covered a little bit, I don't think there will be a big upset.

◈ Choi Soo-young: The power of the people wins the battle.

☆ Kim Young-woo: I think the Democratic Party of Korea will win the honor after the close game of Geumjeong. But I have to open it, but now the election of the superintendent of education of Seoul is a bit strict. We can't be deeply involved in the party right now. As a result, there is a limit to information, but first of all, I don't know who mobilizes this organization a lot because I don't think the turnout itself will be high. I haven't heard much about organizing elections in the superintendent election, but in that respect, it may be a little related to the power of the people. Candidate Cho Jeon-hyuk, for example, is a representative of conservatives, and there will be some backlash against it because it has provided the existing progressive superintendent of education to provide the cause of the Seoul Metropolitan Office of Education election. Next, since education is very important, wouldn't the psychology that we should change this education now work? So I think candidate Cho Jeon-hyuk will have some recognition. It came out several times... Wouldn't it be advantageous in that regard? I'm telling you carefully.

★ Park Joo-min: I think it's a little hard to predict the results right now, but a recent poll shows that we're slightly ahead of Geumjeong in Busan and Yeonggwang and Gokseong. I'm a bit worried. Anyway, we're ahead of Geumjeong because of the real meter, but the problem is that this is a by-election. Looking at it, I think it's right to see it as a battle between turnout and who goes to the actual polling place. So I win by getting a little ahead. I think it's hard to say this. I'd like to say that everyone needs to vote hard.

◈ Choi Soo-young: But in the end, what we're interested in after Geumjeong is that the party's victory is also the party's victory, but that's because of the leadership of the leadership of the two parties and the reflection of the future political situation. Rep. Park, let me ask the ruling party about Han Dong-hoon.Ma gives one stone to the Democratic Party, whether it is the real Progressive Party or the Cho Kuk Innovation Party in the glory. Wouldn't there be a crack in CEO Lee Jae-myung's leadership?

★ Park Joo-min: Actually, I told you this before because you asked me a similar question last time. In the case of glory, it is a difficult area for the Democratic Party. In Honam, independents continued to appear, and in the last election, even if the Democratic Party of Korea was ahead by 18%, the public sentiment was evaluated to be a little different from that of Honam, where independent governors were elected. That's why the Cho Kuk Innovation Party and the Progressive Party also said they were confident now, so I think it would be right to make a judgment in consideration of such regional characteristics.

◈ Choi Soo-young: Even if we win or lose, I think we should consider that.

★ Park Joo-min: Yes. I think we should consider it and see.

◈ Choi Soo-young: Then, if CEO Han Dong-hoon gives you the gold. Therefore, there are many rumors that reinforcement is advantageous now, so if it is banned, it will be banned. Isn't it being said that it could be a bit serious?

☆ Kim Young-woo: I don't look at it like that. So, there may be a responsibility battle internally. But it's the president's fault, CEO Han Dong-hoon's fault. It's hard to do it publicly now. Of course, there may be battles on both sides of the media or social media, but it's a local election, for example. The people's power was greatly defeated in the last general election, and the head of the party led the general election was Han Dong-hoon, chairman of the emergency committee. But after the general election, he won the party leadership election at the national convention. with a very high approval rating of 63 percent What that means is that in my view, the election itself is under the name of the party's candidate report, but in my view, it is influenced by some central politics. There are various economic issues such as state administration. I think it's better than sugar. This is not what the government does. There's something like this. And now CEO Han Dong-hoon went down six times and worked hard, but if he loses, he will get hurt. It is hurtful, but it is difficult to fundamentally shake the leadership of Han Dong-hoon itself. But my concern is that the election results are also the election results.It's a responsibility battle. Responsibility battle is nothing like Chin Yoon, B Yoon, or close friends. Even now, there are talks about Hannam-dong or Dogok-dong, but in a way, I'm afraid we'll have an unnecessary fight like that, but we need to show a more mature side.

◇ Profit line: Okay.

★ Park Joo-min: Some people say that. So, if the people's power is defeated in the election, the reporters will probably try to sway representative Han Dong-hoon using that as an excuse. There will be a heated debate over responsibility. They said that a lot.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: Seven people in Dogok-dong and seven people in Hannam-dong came out, so we will continue with the next question. Regarding the story of Kim Gun-hee's line, there is a situation where both lines are talking about. How do you see this situation now?

☆ Kim Young-woo: In a way, it's a very free-spirited wrestling. I don't think this is the time. And now, the story of administrator Kim Dae-nam has already become an old story, and because of Myung Tae-kyun's story, the whole country is now feeling restless. I don't think it's time to talk about Dogok-dong and Hannam-dong, and it's very late, but the president and representative Han Dong-hoon have to meet and talk about practical things. Now, I'm not going to say that it's meaningful that the two of you met and put the first button together. It's time to solve it, and then you have to feel a great sense of crisis now. In my opinion, if you do this wrong, Myeong Tae-kyun's, such as Kakao Talk, can become a secret like Choi Soon-sil's tablet PC. I heard that you have more than 2,000 copies, so isn't Myung Taekyun really threatening you now? I'm threatening you, but I can't manage it now, and I think I can't tell whether it's my brother or my brother or the president of Yoon Suk Yeol because I'm trying to put out complaints in the presidential office. But in order to respond to the negative, everyone involved has to come out and provide information, big strategies, small strategies, and media promotion, but I think very seriously that it doesn't come true. I don't think the strategy is right now.

◈ Choi Soo-young: Then for Park, the results of the by-elections will be a little flexible in this situation.First of all, it's been decided that the two of you will meet next week. Whether it's a private meeting or an interview. Then, what effect do you think this will have if we meet next week in a state where stories such as Dogok-dong or Hannam-dong are alive?

★ Park Ju-min: So there are actually probably some issues that CEO Han Dong-hoon would like to observe. Now, the so-called controversy in the presidential office, for example, is that the administrator is exercising powers beyond his position, paralyzing all the normal administrative lines. In the meantime, responses that do not meet the public's expectations are continuing to come out. I'm making these comments, but I think he'll probably ask me to organize this part, and then maybe now, CEO Han Dong-hoon has continued to talk about the government's flexible attitude regarding the medical crisis. Then, I think I'll probably talk about three things, such as the settlement of Myung Tae-kyun's disclosure, but it's probably hard to observe all three things as CEO Han Dong-hoon wishes.

◈ Choi Soo-young: You think it's difficult.

★ Park Joo-min: So I'm not going to give you any presents. Because the presidential office says it's very urgent. This is because polls are continuing to show that the lowest level is being renewed and there are cracks within the party. So I think I'll give at least one or two of them as a gift, and it's hard to predict what it's like right now. So, wouldn't the president be thinking of getting one or two loose like that and trying to get a dandori? When I was watching the news today (I asked the presidential office to talk to the 3rd chief while having a meal in a hurry). I think we're going to talk about the by-elections today and what kind of stance we should take at the meeting with representative Han Dong-hoon next week. Maybe we should accept one or two and give some concessions to the representative, and if it's organized like this, we can buy some time and go without any further division, but if this doesn't work out properly, we may not be able to control it.

◈ Choi Soo-young: But Congressman Park, you're focusing on suturing rather than catastrophe.

★ Park Joo-min: At this stage, CEO Han Dong-hoon probably doesn't want to go all the way to the catastrophe.

◇ Interest line: I see. But when Lee Myung-tae revealed the contents of his Kakao Talk, he had 2,000 more copies. I'm making threatening remarks like this, but this is very annoying from the perspective of one of the people. Isn't it tiring to watch the news all day long while looking at this person's mouth? People argue about how to respond to the level of response and how to respond.

☆ Kim Young-woo: It's difficult for me, but the president's office has to take a preemptive action. It's actually late even now. Still, at the time, it was a presidential election process, and we met each other, so we have to organize those things and respond. He doesn't even tell me in advance, and he's his brother, as he is now. Yesterday, it came out as a high-ranking presidential official in a hurry, but it was overturned in less than 10 minutes. That's not supposed to happen. Just because it's urgent, you shouldn't try to solve one thing at a time with Myung Tae-kyun. If you want to turn off the light, you have to have a strategy meeting and announce your position. And legal judgment needs to be disposed of and judged by the relevant institution. That's how you should do it. When I see you, you've contributed and you've worked harder than the pro-Yoon members or the other members, but you're alienating and alienating yourself too much. I'm in a bad mood. We came this far while arguing with Kim Jae-won, the supreme council member. After all, in most cases, when you do politics, the revelation of a whistleblower or something like that is the most dangerous and has the greatest impact. But I'm not coping with that at all right now. That's not risk management.

◈ Choi Soo-young: Listening to Representative Kim, you should not just use it every time you come in the midst of the snow just now, but wipe your eyes properly when you get off once. You mean you have to manage the crisis like that, right?

☆ Kim Young-woo: That's right. You can't wait until the snow is over.

◈ Choi Soo-young: So when it's built up to a certain extent.

☆ Kim Young-woo: We have to organize our position properly now. So I got this much help, and I got some contact after that, but I have to leave it to legal judgment if it is illegal, can I do that? I worry about it. The 2,000 sheets that Myung Tae-kyun has may have been inflated, and there may be cases where the contents are not illegal. Even if it's inferior in dignity. But I don't think I know much about the content. I don't think there's good communication within the presidential office. Is there a staff member who knows the content of such a kakaotalk properly? Whether it's through Kakao Talk or Telegram between Mrs. Kim Gun-hee and Myung Tae-kyun, do you know the contents of the threat that Myung Tae-kyun is going to reveal in the future? If you know that, a countermeasure comes out next, and you don't have confidence in that, so don't you just turn off your urgent complaints like this? Then you won't be able to respond.

◇ Interest line: I see. But isn't that a little important? For example, before joining the People's Power or after becoming a candidate and becoming president, don't you have a completely different weight?

☆ Kim Young-woo: It's different. It's completely different, but anyone can help a presidential candidate like this. It's not illegal in itself. It's hard to take issue with that now, but for example, whether public opinion poll manipulation or distortion was really illegal is now an offense, and if a candidate knows about it, it's very inconvenient, and you can't do that after the president, whether there was any discussion about nominations or personnel appointments.

★ Park Joo-min: Looking at the current situation, what I thought was not a complete bluff at first is gradually turning out to be true. So yesterday, the presidential office's confirmation is spreading unnecessarily right now as to who he is, but the key is this. That's what Myung Taekyun said. Communicate directly with the Yoon Suk Yeol President and his wife. I didn't think it was all that, but it came out yesterday. And I even used the expression of absolute trust. So rather, this is confirmed through the response of the presidential office, and on the other hand, it shows how incompetent and problematic the response of the presidential office is. Not only can you not grasp the situation properly, but you are providing more information now. Anyway, in fact, can I get a little accurate information now? As Representative Kim said earlier, if the presidential office is really run by the secret organization called Ten Sang-shi, then I can't figure it out. I can't figure it out on the official line. Because the access itself is difficult. Then, we will continue to respond like this. I was so surprised while listening to the show today. Doesn't this person call the president's chief of staff and even leave a text message? You have to respond correctly. He said that he left a text message saying that chief of staff Jeong Jin-seok should do it correctly because he called but he didn't answer the phone. So look at it now. If he is caught, he will be impeached in a month. He called the presidential chief of staff and left a text message telling him to do it right because he didn't answer, and Kim Jae-won told the ruling party's supreme council member that he wouldn't leave him alone. But there's nothing to respond to. Right now.

◇ Interest line: You're in the position of the president's office that it's not worth responding to, right?

★ Park Joo-min: Saying that it's not worth responding to. It's not him. It's him. It's this. I don't think they can respond and they can't even judge because they don't have information or anything to respond to.

◈ Choi Soo-young: But now, Rep. Noh Jong-myeon of the Democratic Party, who secured Kang Hye-kyung's recording that Myung Tae-kyun ordered the manipulation of the poll, said, "What money did Myung Tae-kyun use to conduct the poll? In the end, the cost burden and the price relationship are the issues." However, there is also public speculation that Myung Tae-kyun may turn slightly toward money in the future.

★ Park Joo-min: I'm expecting a lot of things to be said. In practice, you get it somehow even later. You get about half of your salary. So, I'm saying that I don't think this person is going to help out with 100% good intentions at the expense of himself or not. So, when panelists who are well aware of the ruling party's situation come out and talk on YouTube or something, they always start with a political relationship and lead to an economic relationship. But they say that if such content starts to come out, it's really a big deal. That kind of content could come out. He says he has 2,000 screenshots, and 200 of them are things that the world can turn upside down. And I burst one of them a little yesterday, and when you checked the presidential office, most of what Myung Tae-kyun said has become based on facts. That's why you don't know what's really going to happen.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: In this situation, CEO Lee Jae-myung said, "If the captain drinks all the time, would that be a voyage?" That's what I said. Choo Kyung-ho, floor leader of the People's Power Party, replied, "It's not what Lee, a former drunk driver, has to say." However, while talking about impeachment, they say legal issues are prudent, and the Democratic Party seems to be not attacking them like this these days. So, according to our panelists' expression yesterday, the word "flower club" appeared. What is the real atmosphere of the Democratic Party?

★ Park Joo-min: Actually, we're actually exposed to various information and raise questions based on such information because it's an inspection of the National Assembly, but there's a difference between yesterday and the day before and actually trying to impeach someone on the show. The Constitution clearly stipulates that it is a reason for impeachment. Any clear and significant violation of the law or constitution is a reason for impeachment. In a situation where it is a reason for impeachment, whether or not to actually impeach for that reason is a very different issue, political judgment is involved, and even very difficult political judgment is needed. That's why we're talking about this much. He keeps saying that if there is a real reason for that, it is a reason for impeachment. So far, that's about it.

◈ Choi Soo-young: So now representative Lee Jae-myung said that we should drag him out of the reinforcement campaign.

★ Park Joo-min: It's a general idea.

◈ Choi Soo-young: You've evolved to be that general theory, but it's only one person from the opposition leader's point of view to bring down anyone.

★ Park Ju-min: As you know, in the case of elections, there are two meanings that make it impossible for people to be elected, but it is always explained politically that there are two things that make it impossible for people who have been in their seats to stop. So I think it would be right if you think it's a general theory.

◈ Choi Soo-young: But I think Senator Kim will think a little differently?

☆ Kim Young-woo: It's different.

★ Park Joo-min: Rather, the ruling party says that a lot. We say no, but the ruling party is like that.

☆ Kim Young-woo: Anyone can see that impeachment is brought down on the way, and responsible politicians have talked a lot about impeachment, and Chairman Lee Jae-myung's remarks on various measures in the Democratic Party of Korea are now aimed at making Lee Jae-myung, the leader of the party, go to the bulletproof path, and President Yoon Suk Yeol walk the path of impeachment again. Anyone can see that it wasn't about impeachment. It's the same as doing this guy and that guy. From what I can tell. So when the people see it, they all understand it.

◈ Choi Soo-young: But if you look at the people's power response now, I think Lee Jae-myung's remarks and the response in the current election phase are a little shrewd, and then it's right to go back to Han Dong-hoon, but anyway, some point out that the people's power is a little lacking in strategic response. What do you think about this?

☆ Kim Young-woo: How should I respond to these comments? From what I see, it's the public's opinion. The by-elections are taking place today.In order for the ruling party to respond well to the opposition party, in the end, the state administration must be properly managed and the proper relationship between the party and the government must be maintained, but it didn't work out well from that. Now, I think that's a fundamental problem, but the president's approval rating and the public's approval rating are very low right now. But what we really need to think about now is that the election of Gangseo-gu Mayor and the general election were held, and even though we have to change, we haven't changed, right? To be honest, CEO Han Dong-hoon is saying, "Let's do this and that." It's not a great revolution, it's not a change, it's not a reform. I think it's a very obvious thing to say, but it's seen as a very glossy conflict. I think I need to start from the beginning.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: Representative Lee Jae-myung encouraged through SNS yesterday, a day before the by-elections, to complete the second regime judgment with your own hands. In fact, the opposition party also has several judicial risks, so is it trying to turn the tide with this? Or is it just focused on the by-election itself and evoked it?

★ Park Joo-min: No, the opposition party has no choice but to always talk about judgment against the ruling party or the government. Then, the moment we talked about the theory of judgment without the theory of judgment and the theory of judgment, it doesn't make sense to you, so these days, you're bringing in the logic of bulletproof even to the point where it doesn't make sense. Not long ago, we submitted a request for a permanent special prosecution to the National Assembly, and that's also BTS. There's not a single word about CEO Lee Jae-myung. And the trial is underway anyway, and the results of the trial will come out in about a month and a half. Why don't we suddenly decide just because we're talking? It's not like that. You can just listen to me as I say.

◈ Choi Soo-young: Actually, the Democratic Party of Korea is talking about these things, but in the process, Kim Gun-hee's judgment headquarters, and then the strategy plan for re-government and the formation of talent recruitment organizations. November 8th is actually the halfway point of the president's term, but since the Democratic Party of Korea is conducting such aggressive marketing at a time when it hasn't even reached that point, don't you think many of them are trying to dilute it?

☆ Kim Young-woo: There are a lot. That's right. It's not an unreasonable expression to say that we want to impeach the prosecution after the prosecution investigation of former Deputy Governor Lee Hwa-young, and call him to the hearing. He tried to impeach several prosecutors and then asked them to replace the court. All of these are BTS.

★ Park Joo-min: No, for example, the judicial risk you're talking about is a case under trial.

☆ Kim Young-woo: No, it's not just raising a problem with the prosecutor, but the spokesman comes out and makes a statement and insists on impeachment. after the prosecutor's impeachment That is obviously a huge dent in any investigation by prosecutors. Not all prosecutors are good at it. So, in my view, the two parties are engaged in a very brinkmanship tactic with each other. One side is impeachment and the other side is bulletproof. I'm not sure. Anyway, today's by-elections will have an impact on both leadership. However, the leadership of party leader Lee Jae-myung or party leader Han Dong-hoon is unlikely to be shaken much.

◈ Choi Soo-young: Both of you regardless of your grades anyway?

☆ Kim Young-woo: Of course, if we go into a little more detail because of this election, I think the problem will be a little different if Representative Lee Jae-myung loses in glory. The Democratic Party of Korea is really based in Honam, but if it doesn't work there, there's a problem.

◈ Choi Soo-young: Then now that Representative Park is a legal professional, the first trial sentence for Lee Jae-myung's two trials will come out now in November. One perjury teacher is in violation of the election law, but since you're a member of the Democratic Party, what kind of sentence do you expect from your perspective as a legal professional?

★ Park Joo-min: For example, I basically have doubts about whether this case will be prosecuted. So, if I know or don't know who this is a matter that can go to trial, and if I submitted it and went on a business trip together, I must know everything. It's not even that. In fact, I saw a rather interesting scene yesterday when the Judiciary Committee asked Seo Young-kyo, the head of the court administration, and he talked about the names of his subordinate judges belonging to the administration. You know what? So they don't know. I think I've heard of the name, but they don't know. Then, what are you talking about? You're an employee of that company, and you made false information, so you perjured yourself at the National Assembly. Should I do this? These things are frustrating for us and we don't understand. So, I don't think the results of the trial will have any significant impact on whether they are guilty or not.

◈ Choi Soo-young: Are you saying that lawmaker Park should take that into account because of the asymmetry of information?

★ Park Joo-min: If that's the standard, all the ministers who come to the National Assembly and talk about it are perjury.

☆ Kim Young-woo: It wasn't just a simple matter of whether or not we met once or twice, but it was deeply related to the huge corruption scandal that Daejang-dong and Seongnam Mayor Lee Jae-myung focused on, and while under investigation, a person named Kim Moon-ki made an extreme choice himself. Then it's a huge event. In itself, we worked on various schedules together overseas, and such a public official was deeply involved in the Daejang-dong case, and in this situation, we don't know. I know. I just thought that it was a different matter if we knew or didn't know who was passing by, and that's why I was prosecuted. So this is a bit different. And the perjury teacher problem is also a very serious problem. Perjury teachers are a problem that completely shakes the judicial system, and of course, such things are prosecuted.

◇ Profitship: Yes. Let me ask you one last question. While Lee Jin-sook, chairman of the Korea Communications Standards Commission, has been suspended, the suspension of execution of the provision that six judges raised this time cannot be tried. I'd like to hear a word about the Constitutional Court's ruling citing the application for provisional injunction.

★ Park Joo-min: For me, even if there are not enough numbers, you can do psychology. In fact, in a way, the way they acted, I felt that they made their own decision by acknowledging the request for suspension of execution of the Constitutional Court, but it didn't fit with the Constitutional Court, which has been controlling it judicially. I felt that it was unfamiliar.

☆ Kim Young-woo: I agree with the ruling.

◇ Is that it?

◈ Choi Soo-young: Please tell me the reason why you agreed to the ruling.

☆ Kim Young-woo: No, it's something experts said, so we have to accept it.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: The National Assembly should have recommended the three.

☆ Kim Young-woo: That's right.

◈ Choi Soo-young: But the controversy right now is that. So in the end, it was not possible because the ruling and opposition parties were now at issue with the recommendation of the three, but since the Constitutional Court said it would prevent the paralysis, wouldn't the National Assembly urgently recommend those three?

☆ Kim Young-woo: Yes, yes, we should do that.

◈ Choi Soo-young: That's a concise answer.

◇ Profit line: Okay. Friends of the political circle joined us today with Kim Young-woo, a former member of the People's Power, and Park Joo-min, a member of the Democratic Party of Korea. Thank you.

◈ Choi Soo-young: Thank you very much.

★ Park Joo-min, ☆ Kim Young-woo: Yes, thank you.