與 Kim Young-woo, "尹 couple - Myung Tae-kyun 'Wrong Meeting'...""Achieve of Evil" by Lee Junseok? Political internal injuries are inevitable."

Kim Young-woo)

- Mrs. Kim's amendment to the special prosecutor's office, 野's pun...The goal of impeaching 尹 with a stepping stone is clear

- Lee Jae-myung's 'respectful Park Geun Hye'? "I know if you really respect me." First Lady Kim's special prosecutor's correction is an impeachment stepping stone

- Is the transportation fee for First Lady Kim's 'money envelope' that Myung Tae-kyun received? Have you been on many flights

- 尹 couple 'wrong meeting' with Myung Tae-kyun...It's wrong to maintain a relationship with an unfaithful Ming.

[News FM Lee Ik-seon Choi Soo-young Issue & People]

□ Broadcast date and time: November 13, 2024 (Wednesday)
□ Host: Lee Ik-seon, Choi Soo-young
□ Performers: Kim Young-woo, former member of the People's Power, Park Joo-min, member of the Democratic Party of Korea

- "Achieve of Evil" by Lee Junseok? There will be a political wound
Park Joo-min)
- Democratic Party of Korea's reversal of nuclear power plant budget increase? It's not the Moon administration's nuclear power plant.The tone remains the same as
- Pollack bacteria, possibly arrested...Concerns over the destruction of fugitive evidence in violation of the Political Fund Act

* The text below may differ from the actual broadcast content, so please check the broadcast for more accurate information.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: It's time for Jungkook's friends. Let's take a sharp look at the current issues while there are witty remarks and stories, not Gang-dae-gang confrontations. I called it Buddy, which means comfortable friends with those who are with us at this time. We have two lawmakers, Park Joo-min of the Democratic Party of Korea and Kim Young-woo of the former People's Power. Please come in.

◆Choi Soo-young: Regarding the first trial of Lee Jae-myung's violation of the election law, which will be held the day after the 15th, the Democratic Party of Korea responded that the live broadcast was a bit unfair, but the court finally decided not to broadcast it live?

★Kim Young-woo: My theory is that court rulings should always be respected even if they are insufficient or insufficient. So you have to respect the court's ruling. It was a little strange for me to argue and argue about it. To be honest, I didn't know if the final ruling of the Constitutional Court or the final ruling of the Supreme Court, but I wondered if the first trial sentence should be disclosed. Of course, while holding rallies every week, the investigation of representative Lee Jae-myung is completely more of a prosecution's political investigation than a prosecution's dictatorship, so I think he insisted on live broadcasting in order to make the whole people know proudly. But for now, there is a court ruling, so I think it's okay. I think that the power of the people will be good only when Representative Lee Jae-myung is arrested for this, but I think it's a very bad judgment, but we have to accept any crime or judgment with a cool head. No matter what the court decides, the Democratic Party of Korea has made a political decision. Don't do this, and no matter what the ruling comes out, the power of the people is the same. I hope you respect it.

◇Lee Ik-seon: In the Democratic Party of Korea, some heads of local governments and others held a resolution for acquittal. We are now working in all directions, such as conducting an online signature campaign for an acquittal petition. Do you think these efforts will work? Representative Park

☆Park Ju-min: I don't know. From the perspective of supporters or party members, they can't stay still, so they're asking us to submit petitions or signatures to the court, which has happened often. As you know, even if there are union-related cases, whether they are union-related or civic groups, they have received and submitted documents often, so there is no need to think that it will be special.

◆Choi Soo-young: But apart from that, there is a point that the Democratic Party of Korea increases the budget for the judiciary and a series of things like that are carrots and sticks.

☆Park Joo-min: Expanding the budget related to the judiciary, that is, it's been discussed since the 21st. So, I was the floor secretary and the secretary of the Judiciary Committee at the time, and I shared that the court's case became overweight and the case was very cumbersome, and then the judgment was very delayed. What was needed to solve that problem was the expansion of facilities related to the increase in judges. So, there has never been a disagreement between the ruling and opposition parties over increasing the budget. However, the Ministry of Justice said, "More judges or more prosecutors." There were some differences in that. There was no disagreement about increasing the number of judges in the court and then increasing facilities, and many lawmakers are sorry, but this is actually very unfamiliar or it is hard to see the Democratic Party's demands because they talk a lot about adding courts to their regions.

★Kim Young-woo: I think I'm a little shy. To be honest, it is true that such a reason or justification has existed for a long time, but the Democratic Party of Korea suddenly took the initiative ahead of the ruling such as Lee Jae-myung's sentence in the first trial and increased the cost related to the trial. But the reason why the Democratic Party of Korea is a little weak to talk about the delay in the trial is that the remittance case to North Korea involving Lee Jae-myung, the representative of the party, Lee Hwa-young, the lieutenant governor, ended up copying the case records, right? It's a very old case, and we need to increase any budgetary support to delay the trial.Aren't the lawyers of the Democratic Party, representative Lee Jae-myung, and representative Lee Jae-myung, who delay the trial itself? So this is what you said earlier.Ma is like a stick and a carrot to the court. So I hope you don't do that. And you mentioned the signature, but it's not some kind of democratization struggle or a case like this that Lee Jae-myung is being tried right now, so can this be signed? I think that's a little bit of pressure on the court, too. I think the cause is weak.

◇Lee Ik-seon: The news had already been repeated several times when Lee represented the Democratic Party of Korea's outdoor rally, but you didn't say two letters that you couldn't put into your mouth because I wanted to ask Park Joo-min. Why do you think you didn't put it in your mouth?

☆Park Joo-min: I think we need to find out what these two letters are. I should have asked, but I couldn't. Since it's a guess, I don't think you should make a definitive judgment. I think the people have been talking a lot recently about the presidential term. I haven't asked or confirmed anything, but I don't think so, and if so, the official position of the party is not yet talking about impeachment or anything like that, is it? That's why I guess the party leader didn't tell me.

◇Lee Ik-seon: Were there no lawmakers at the outdoor rally on this day?

☆Park Joo-min: I came out. I usually get all the seats in front of the assembly for the lawmakers. Lawmakers came together, and I've always been with party members at rallies with party members since a long time ago. Sometimes I go and show my face to check attendance, but it's actually too hard to go forward that day. So I was just with the party members. I posted all the Facebook photos.

◆Choi Soo-young: In the midst of this, the Democratic Party of Korea has announced that it will propose the so-called revised Special Prosecutor Kim Act. The scope of the investigation will be reduced from 13 to 2 and a third-party special prosecutor will be recommended. It is intended to remove all the toxic clauses that the ruling party has been talking about, but there are many expressions that this is a split. Rather than containing the sincerity of the Democratic Party of Korea, some say that the ruling party is a bill that induces cracks.

★Kim Young-woo: That's right. I think the essence of the Democratic Party itself has not changed by choosing 13 or 15 or 3 or 4. So, in the end, the goal is to impeach the president Yoon Suk Yeol with Kim Gun-hee as a stepping stone. I think that's very clear. Two letters that Lee Jae-myung can't say at the rally. Isn't that impeachment? Or it's either presidential or impeachment, so it's not sincere. No matter how much we change the special prosecution law, and isn't Lee Jae-myung, the leader of the party, actually a pun rather than any sincerity? I don't want to say two letters, but I can't say it. If you think of something, you should say it. And in the past, when he said that he was a president of Park Geun Hye who he respected for President Park Geun Hye, he even told the media that he really respected him. You can't do that. In the end, it's right to say, "Politics has thoughts and thoughts, but if you have it in mind, it's right to say it with confidence, and if you want to impeach it, it's right to say it's necessary to impeach it." Why can't you say it in two letters? And in the end, the opposition party has not touched anything about the nature of the independent counsel's recommendation, so Kim Gun-hee is not the problem, but she wants to impeach him in the end. That's why I've been holding rallies with civic groups claiming impeachment. That's what I think.

◆Choi Soo-young: So you think the passport has little intention of getting it, right?

★Kim Young-woo: You won't get it. Because it's a stepping stone that goes beyond the special prosecution and eventually leads to impeachment, you probably won't get it because of that.

◇Lee Ik-seon: Yes, in the case of CEO Lee Jae-myung, he seems to be continuing to expand. It announced that the financial investment tax should be abolished completely despite opposition from supporters. After visiting the Gyeongchong, I also visited Monk Beopryun. Yesterday, the Yoon administration also agreed to develop and support nuclear power plants, worth 213.8 billion won. It's the complete opposite of the sharp cut last year.

☆Park Joo-min: Yes, to briefly refute what Representative Kim said, no matter how much you are a party leader, you have to respect your position when you speak as a party leader. Of course, you can handle what you want to say personally and what you want to say as a party leader. If you talk about it as if there is a problem, politicians like us should all shut up and live. Let me tell you that. Then, the budget related to nuclear power plants became like this, and in fact, there are some people who ask if the policies and stance of the Moon Jae In government have changed completely. But it's not like that. In fact, the title of the policy during the Moon Jae In government was 'de-nuclear power plant', but in reality, it was 'reduced war'. So, for example, the end of the period of operation was that they gradually began to reduce it by not forcing it to extend or not making a new one, so the civil society camp and others attacked it a lot. It was the Moon Jae In government's policy that was criticized for what kind of proper policy it was for nuclear power plants. In fact, that stance has been maintained. In that sense, in the case of budgets that can be recognized, we have recognized them.

◆Choi Soo-young: One more question, it seems clear that you are planning to expand the outside or the middle, but I saw a report that a meeting on the day of the sentencing on the 15th was scheduled. Representative Lee Jae-myung, regardless of the court's judgment, I will go my way. Should I take it as a message like that?

☆Park Joo-min: There are things you have to do as a representative. You don't have to slow them down or neglect them. It would be better to do what you have to do even in various situations.

◆ Choi Soo-young: That's the dimension. I understand that it is not such a meeting at all conscious of the judiciary's ruling.

◇Lee Ik-seon: Let's also look at an issue related to Myung Tae-kyun, who was summoned by the prosecution for violating the Political Fund Act. The prosecution has secured a statement that Myung received an envelope of money from Kim Gun. Changwon District Prosecutors' Office reported that they also obtained a photo of a money envelope with Kobana content written on Myung's phone. The prosecution is also known to have confirmed a specific amount of 5 million won from Kang Hye-kyung, the accounting manager of former lawmaker Kim Young-sun, but the legal community says it is necessary to check whether the money received from Kim is the price of the poll. Let's hear some comments from both of you on this issue now.

★ Kim Young-woo: The amount of money is a problem, but it's a question of what kind of money it is.

◆Choi Soo-young: Myung Tae-kyun made a statement that he felt that it was a little too much for transportation.

★Kim Young-woo: If you fly back and forth many times, you'll use it all. However, the nature of this case is that the Yoon Suk Yeol President and his wife have continued to have a relationship with such a person as Myung Tae-kyun, and that is very wrong. I think basically. Let's say we received the money and not receive it, but we should investigate whether it is illegal or not.Ma announced the public statement and apologized again last time.Ma was not good enough, but I think it was a bad relationship with Myung Tae-kyun. Myung Tae-kyun, if you look at it like this, there are many people in the political world who say they will help politicians, but they don't seem so innocent. It doesn't look pure, and there are suspicions about it in exchange for someone's nomination, and then there are suspicions that he received money from people who will run in local elections. Considering that, it's not a purely money relationship. So I don't think I'm a person with good faith. Also, I think it would be wrong if you continued to maintain a relationship and received help from someone who was not in good faith.

◆Choi Soo-young: But as a lawyer, this money is not in the prosecution's warrant, so do you think this could be a problem later?

☆Park Joo-min: So it can be very different depending on the name of this. If the price of the poll is the price, you should also consider whether such financial expenditures and such things have been confirmed and reported appropriately. So, in fact, we need to investigate, but I wonder if the investigation will be conducted well. Anyway, what's becoming more and more clear is that Myung Tae-kyun himself is very related to the president and his wife, and many people have denied it, but it's getting more and more clear. I don't understand why it's 5 million won taxi fare, and what role did people believe that Myung Tae-kyun played and pay him to get the nomination? It's not just one or two people, but eight people that Kang Hye-kyung knows, right? I think this is a very serious problem. It needs to be investigated in all directions. That's why I'm telling you that we should not narrow down Kim Young-sun like this and look at the overall nomination process.

◆Choi Soo-young: So you put it in the special prosecutor's office? But here, two characters appear again. The prosecution will also call Kim Jong-in, former chairman of the People's Power Emergency Response Committee, and Lee Joon-seok, a member of the New Reform Party, to investigate the case. According to the report, Lee Joon-seok, then leader of People's Power, sent a Kakao Talk message to Myung at around 0:20 a.m. on May 9, the day before the president's inauguration, saying, "We got through." It means that those messages came and went later. Do you think this is an issue that can continue to spread to Kim Jong-in, chairman of the emergency committee, and Lee Joon-seok, former chairman?

★Kim Young-woo: Looking at the contents, it is clear that Myung Tae-kyun gave such communication, conversation, communication and political advice to Chairman Kim Jong-in and party leader Lee Jun-seok. I think that's a fact and it's hard to deny that. There must be another legal issue whether it was illegal or not. I don't think it's a big deal in itself if you say you exchanged help with such a problem. However, then-party leader Lee Joon-seok has continued to deny whether he or Myung Tae-kyun or President Yoon Suk Yeol intervened in the nomination. I've been a wife. Then, there will be some controversy over whether Lee Joon-seok's remarks were false. Political controversy, but I think it's true that the relationship between the three chairmen, Myung Tae-kyun, Lee Joon-seok, and Kim Jong-in, exchanged help anyway.

◆Choi Soo-young: Do you think this issue could be a significant blow to Rep. Lee Joon-seok right now?

★Kim Young-woo: I don't know how bad it is.Ma has said something about what kind of broadcasts and what should I say to the people, so I'm not sure about that. We need to express our position or talk about it. However, it doesn't seem to be any center in this matter, but since I was the party leader at the time, I need to talk a little clearly about the facts.

◆ Choi Soo-young: However, Myung's lawyer encouraged Lee Joon-seok, the leader of the ruling party, to speak to President Yoon through Myung and even made him record the nomination, even though he was the fastest to know the nomination result. In the end, Lee Joon-seok said, "He's the axis of evil." But if this lawmaker does so, do you think the issue will expand not only in the prosecution's investigation but also politically in the future?

☆Park Joo-min: As Representative Kim said earlier, what he said about Myung Tae-kyun in the past keeps saying something different from the truth. Even yesterday, the restored Kakao Talk conversation. If you look at Myung Tae-kyun's Kakao Talk conversation, you will find a considerable amount of conversations with Lee Joon-seok, and among them, there were reports that discussed countermeasures related to former CEO Lee Joon-seok's referral to the ethics committee. Then, this is completely different from what former CEO Lee Joon-seok has been saying, but what is the question that we have here, Myung Tae-kyun, the party leader, the president, the president, the president, and the president's denial? How did this party move? What on earth is this party
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★Kim Young-woo: I don't know about his ability, but I think he's especially active in the PK and TK side every time he elections.

☆Park Joo-min: PK and TK are the mainstream of people's power. I don't think he even has an official title, but while he's doing this...

★Kim Young-woo: There must be quite a few people like that in the Democratic Party. Think about it carefully.

◇Lee Ik-seon: Although Rep. Lee Joon-seok said he is on a business trip to the U.S., if he comes to the prosecution, there will be various information because he was the party leader at the time, and he has the authority as the party leader at the time. If you come out to the police, you'll say a lot of things that you haven't said before. How can you look at it?

★Kim Young-woo: It's probably embarrassing. Lee Joon-seok, the leader of the party, is. I think I talked with Myung Tae Kyun about the nomination of then-candidate Kim Young-sun and conveyed to him the intentions of the Yoon Suk Yeol president. Based on what's being said, the party is on its own, especially the commission. I did it on my own. I said that I don't know much about it. Then it becomes true, so in the end, a politician has a considerable burden when his or her remarks are not true. It's a matter of your own responsibility, so politically, there must be some hurt. That's what I think.

◆ Choi Soo-young: Since lawmaker Park is actually a legal professional, the prosecution has requested an arrest warrant for Myung Tae-kyun and former lawmaker Kim Young-sun, but the prosecution said it will examine the validity of the warrant tomorrow night (14th). So, how much do you see the possibility of arrest, such as burning the cell phone in the recording in his father's oxygen, and then where do you think the direction of the prosecution's investigation will go after he is arrested?

☆Park Joo-min: This is the most embarrassing for lawyers when they are asked to predict court judgments. These days, a lot of people ask me what I think the first trial would be like, and I'm not sure about this either. Well, there are two main reasons for arrest. There should be criminal charges, and secondly, there should be additional requirements such as destruction of evidence or fear of escape. First of all, there seem to be some allegations of violations of the Political Fund Act as a number of transcripts are released. Even in the case of fear of escape or destruction of evidence, stories related to destruction of evidence continue to be mentioned either in your own mouth or in the mouth of those around you. If so, the requirements for restraint seem to be in place, so compared to other cases, I think there is a possibility of restraint.

◆Choi Soo-young: Then, what do you think about the possibility of former lawmaker Kim Young-sun's arrest?

☆Park Joo-min: I don't know. I don't know how former lawmaker Kim Young-sun will be judged in terms of evidence destruction or flight concerns. There was nothing in particular mentioned in the media reports about this part. So I think there is a possibility that that part will be judged slightly differently.

◆Choi Soo-young: So you think Myung Tae-kyun and former lawmaker Kim Young-sun may be judged differently for their arrest, right?

☆Park Joo-min: That's right. Actually, the premise of this is not the kind of lawyer who saw the case record in person, but I'm just saying it based on my intuition after seeing the media reports, so the accuracy will be quite low.