Park Sung-min, "尹 golf controversy, the problem is 'lying', not 'golf'."

◆ [YTN Radio SHINYUL's news]
■ Broadcasting: FM 94.5 (17:00-19:00)
■ Air date: November 13, 2024 (Wednesday)
■ Proceedings: Shin Yul, Professor of Political Science and Diplomacy at Myongji University
■ Talks: Jang Ye-chan, former member of the Supreme Council of the People's Power, Park Sung-min, former member of the Democratic Party of Korea

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Jang Ye-chan
- 尹 Golf Controversy, what crime is the president for enjoying popular sports?
- Han Dong-hoon and Kim 尹 failed to respond to the suspicion of mobilizing their family members to slander the couple
- 756 articles criticized every minute… Is this a coincidence?
- On the presidential train? an improbable story

Park Sung-min
- Golf controversy, the problem is 'lying' instead of 'golf'
- The date of boarding the exclusive train for Myung Tae-kyun, quite specific
- 'Myeong Tae-gyun gate', it's not a situation that will be used as an excuse.
- The root of the investigation is 'suspicious of intervening in the nomination of First Lady Kim's nomination'

◆ Shin Yul: Shin Yul's news head-to-head match, part 1, will open with Yeouido Youth Politics. Yeouido Youth Politician Youth Politicians Two young politicians should be here to talk about various pending issues, but they are just coming in. Let's talk about the people who came in first. Park Sung-min, former member of the Democratic Party of Korea, is here. How are you?

◇ Park Sung-min: Yes, hello, I'm Park Sung-min.

◆ Shin Yul: The People's Power Former Supreme Council member Jang Ye-chan is just coming up. Stay still. Are you from the college entrance exam generation? I see. So what happens to the college entrance exam? At first, there was a preliminary exam. The preliminary exam was eliminated and the preliminary exam was renamed the academic test. The academic ability test will now be changed to the SAT. In fact, Korea is a country where the entrance examination system has changed so much that few people have entered college under the same system when their families gather like this.

◇ Park Sung-min: I took the CSAT in 2015. For me, it's

◆ Shin Yul: I see. Regardless of the college entrance exam, tomorrow is the college entrance exam day. Today is the day of the preliminary call-up

◇ Park Sung-min: Yes, how nervous are you going to be?

◆ Sin-ryul: I'm nervous. I'm nervous. Especially, the food today...
◇ Park Sung-min: That's right. You have to sleep well today so that you don't feel uncomfortable with being mild. Sleeping is so important.

◆ Sin-ryul: It doesn't remind me of soju all of a sudden because it's mild. But minors can't drink alcohol. Of course. You need to sleep properly. Students who are a bit brave got a good night's sleep, but students who are a bit nervous often can't sleep properly. Did you sleep well?

◇ Park Sung-min: But I think I slept a little toss and turn. That's why I couldn't sleep too early.

◆ Sinryul : It looks like it is there

◇ Park Sung-min: I don't think there was that time.

◆ This is why you gain courage while going through it.

◇ Park Sung-min: It's like that.

◆ Sin Yul: I see.

◇ Park Sung-min: I was very nervous, so I was very nervous. And as you know, I think I felt a lot of pressure about the fact that there was only one exam because I decided on so many college entrance exams.

◆ Shin-ryul: So some people are saying, what is it now? The education system is in some committee,

◇ Park Sung-min: Should I take the CSAT twice?

◆ Shin Yul: People say we should take the CSAT twice or three times. I think that would be right. You have to watch it a lot. If you do this once, if you're not lucky that day, you can't do anything. So, if you're a test taker, the kids or students who are listening to our show might listen to it. Anyway, I hope you do well on your CSATs tomorrow.

◇ Park Sung-min: I hope it goes well.

◆ Shin Yul: Why is Jang Ye Chan coming up now? From the first floor, we talk about it for a while until we come up, and there are reports that President Yoon played golf two days before his speech, but now the president's office talks like this. He really likes golf to meet President Trump, so he's the new president. So, we need to practice now. What do you think about it?

◇ Park Sung-min: So the president

◆ Sin-ryul: You can play it. In fact, the president said

◇ Park Sung-min: I think it's a bit of a problem that the presidential office keeps lying openly to the people.

◆ Sin Yul: What kind of lie?

◇ Park Sung-min: So after being elected because of Trump's election, I practiced this for diplomatic relations with President Trump. You can go that far, but the dates that have been suspected or confirmed now are not after President Trump's election.

◆ Shin Yul: No, you can get that information and practice it in advance.

◇ Park Sung-min: But the problem is

◆ Shin Yul: There's also a tinkering tutor.

◇ Park Sung-min: But the problem is that if the president of the Republic of Korea is in a situation where the security situation of the Republic of Korea is severe, there are parts where you have to take care of those parts as much as possible. But if you look at it now, the problem is that on October 12, what happened was that on the evening of the 11th, so on the evening of October 11, North Korea sent drones from South Korea to disperse propaganda leaflets against North Korea. While talking about it like this, I've entered into things like preparation. So the security was very seriously threatened, and what happened then was that the National Defense Committee was conducting a parliamentary audit, and the Minister of National Defense heard North Korea's sudden statement and adjourned for a while and went to receive an emergency report. However, I think it doesn't make sense that the head of our country was there to play golf even though the soldiers were prepared to detect that there was a problem in the security situation and be prepared for danger, and I hope you make an excuse with sincerity. If you're going to practice golf, you should go to the practice range. Why do you go and play the field? So if the president's office is going to make an excuse, I'd like it to be sincere.

◆ Shin Yul: Are you here? Do you play golf?

■ Jang Ye-chan: Yes, I like it.

◆ Shin Yul: I like it. Do you play golf?

◇ Park Sung-min: I don't like it.

◆ Sin-ryul: You hit it. I'm the only one who hasn't played golf. I've never caught a golf club. That's why we're asking about golf. How do you see it?

■ Jang Ye-chan: In the case of Trump, he plays golf even during the presidential campaign. So, the president and politicians have often been caught up in gossip in Korea through golf, but if there are no special official problems, I think this is a diplomatic preparation to predict Trump's chances of winning the election. Even if it's not, or even if it's another president other than Yoon Suk Yeol, enjoying golf in his free time itself is controversial. I think this is too narrow a point because golf is not a luxury sport like it used to be, and it is now a popular sport enjoyed by young people. In the past, Lee Hae-chan, the former leader of the Democratic Party of Korea, also had a controversy over getting caught playing golf during the flood. Of course, politicians can be criticized for playing golf during certain floods or national emergencies, but if it's not, it's like

◇ Park Sung-min: That's why it was an emergency.

◆ Shin-yul: I want to ask you, because former Supreme Council member Jang Ye-chan knows President Yoon Suk Yeol well, didn't he not play golf well?

■ Jang Ye-chan: As far as I know, it's been almost eight years since I didn't hold a golf club. So really

◆ Sin-ryul: It's not a case where you like it very much.

■ Jang Ye-chan: That's right. In the past, I heard that they often went out for rounding when they were prosecutors, but it's quite a long time before we met in the presidential election and eight years ago. So, I heard and know that from 7-8 years ago, it was virtually rare to catch a golf club.

◆ Shin Yul: Instead of causing a lot of controversy by posting something on Facebook or SNS yesterday, our Supreme Council member Jang Ye-chan, who posted something that deserves attention, please explain it yourself. I heard CEO Han Dong-hoon's family posted this.

■ Jang Ye-chan: As I posted and the Hong Joon Pyo market responded, dozens of articles were poured out as of yesterday after not being covered by legacy media.

◆ Sin Yul: I originally posted it a long time ago.

■ Jang Ye-chan: A week ago, suspicions were raised around conservative YouTubers, but I watched it for a week, and the media didn't mention it too much. So, I thought that the politician in the article had to mention this. I thought I should take the cross, so I put the suspicion together and posted it yesterday. I'm not very interested in the account Han Dong-hoon. Because the party responded to it. No

◆ Shin Yul: I heard there are about 8 Han Dong-hoons.

■ Jang Ye-chan: Yes, but there are only two Han Dong-hoon who actually posted on the bulletin board.

◆ Shin Yul: But our listeners may not know this, so you need to get your real name certified to post on the bulletin board of the party.

■ Jang Ye-chan: So we can now find out whether there is a representative Han Dong-hoon who we know among the Han Dong-hoon who only has those two people. First of all, the party explained it.

◆ Shin Yul: But does that always turn out to be an investigation?

■ Jang Ye-chan: Or the party can reveal the person's personal information on the party's bulletin board. For example, you don't even need your date of birth to the month. What year were you born? Just saying this doesn't mean it's a violation of personal information protection at all.

◇ Park Sung-min: Or is there any explanation like that? Phone number, last digit, and so on.
■ Jang Ye-chan: You can reveal that, too. But the problem is that the problem I'm paying attention to is that CEO Han Dong-hoon has not been able to respond to the suspicion that the whole family was mobilized. I don't even mention it. This is led by four mother-in-law and mother-in-law, representative Han Dong-hoon's spouse, who posted 756 posts on the party's bulletin board in two or three months. These are related articles criticizing President Yoon Suk Yeol and First Lady Kim Gun-hee. But if you post 750 posts in two months, you can only say that you put your heart and soul into manipulating public opinion, but every time these four people post, they always post every minute or two. When the spouse posts, the craftsman posts a minute later and says the same name. A minute later, my mother-in-law posted a message, and a minute later, the message was posted to Han Dong-hoon's mother's account. Is there a possibility of such a coincidence that if you are a person of the same name who has nothing to do with this, the text is posted every 1-2 minutes with similar content every time? Professor, mathematically?

◆ Shin Yul: But CEO Han Dong-hoon laughed at the Supreme Council meeting this morning and you know that it's not us, right? I moved on like this.

■ Jang Ye-chan: He's only denying things about himself, but he can't mention this way about his family. Rep. Joo Jin-woo and Han Dong-hoon's aides, who are not able to explain that they are not themselves and that they are taking legal action, also say that their families cannot confirm it, but they cannot explain whether it is right or not. And these accounts. From November 5th, when the suspicion was raised, it will disappear completely. If it's the same name, you can keep writing, and these people can directly post on the bulletin board and say, "I'm not Han Dong-hoon's family." As soon as suspicions are raised on November 5, all these accounts named Jang-mo, Han Dong-hoon's father-in-law, Han Dong-hoon's mother, Han Dong-hoon's sister, and Han Dong-hoon's daughter have been writing hard and suddenly disappeared. It evaporates. And I deleted all the posts I've written so far. But everything is captured. How likely is this to happen as a coincidence in common sense? For those who can do mathematical calculations,

◆ Who did it?

■ Jang Ye-chan: A lot of supporters did. The members of the People's Power Party did a lot, and that's why I can even confidently present the exact number that I posted 756 articles.

◆ Synryul: 756 in what period?

■ Jang Ye-chan: For example, Han Dong-hoon's mother-in-law account has been active since July of this year. However, the representative spouse of Han Dong-hoon and his mother and father-in-law account have been registered since September of this year. So, the total number of mother-in-law accounts for three people for two months and Han Dong-hoon's mother-in-law accounts for four months is 756 cases.

◆ Sin Yul: How do you see it when it's about other people's party?

◇ Park Sung-min: But it's hard to say this because it's a systematic part that's hard for even insiders within other people's parties to understand, so I think we need to reveal it a little bit, but I think it's a little coincidental. Because I didn't know this situation was so rampant, but it was originally anonymous. However, it was originally anonymized, but it was found out because there was a situation where the text was suddenly posted under the real name due to a system error.

■ Jang Ye-chan: Originally, there was a search function, but in the process of converting it to anonymous, I couldn't help but remove this search function. So this division happened because it wasn't an error, but it couldn't get rid of the functions that existed.

◇ Park Sung-min: Yes, anyway, if the names overlap, and even if there are several names with the family members of a representative Han Dong-hoon other than the name Han Dong-hoon, that can raise doubts, but I think we need to see how the party will handle this. So, if you look at it now, I think there's an atmosphere like, "Let's just wrap it up quickly." Isn't there actually some internal division among supporters? Therefore, from the perspective of supporters who have been dissatisfied with representative Han Dong-hoon, I think that if we finish this quickly because of the authority or position of the party leader and move on, it can remain a spark of conflict.

◆ Sin-ryul: But. I'd like to ask the best of Yechan Jang. If this becomes the subject of investigation, what title should there be?

■ Jang Ye-chan: It can be obstruction of business and violation of the party law.

◆ Credit: Party Law Violation

■ Jang Ye-chan: For example, during the convention, a lot of slander against other candidates was posted on related accounts. What is one person's suspicion about that? Would CEO Han Dong-hoon's father-in-law, mother-in-law, and mother have actually sat down and posted such a post? I think there is a high possibility that someone in my family or a close aide of Han Dong-hoon managed the account, and that alone could be obstruction of business and violation of the party law, and some posts are so strong that according to the analysis of Won Young-seop, a lawyer who served as secretary-general of a proportional party in the past, the power of the people, and this can be a big deal. For example, there are opinions from legal professionals because sexual derogatory expressions are included, so I think we need to find out. What's important is that I was searched under the name of Kim Gun-hee on the bulletin board of that party, and Han Dong- Wouldn't it have been a mess? However, hundreds of posts criticizing the president and the first lady have accumulated in the name of CEO Han Dong-hoon's family, and if this is true, CEO Han Dong-hoon should explain and apologize for the family's humble behavior and bow down to the public. If it's not true, you can check it very simply. The birth date of Han Dong-hoon's family accounts, including JinOO and JinOO, is different from those of them. It's the same person. It's an incredible probability, but it's the same name. You can say it simply like this.

◆ Shin Yul: Does it go through mobile phone verification when you do that?

■ Jang Ye-chan: It usually goes through. When authenticating the real name of the party bulletin board,

◆ Sin-ryul: That's really... But what do you want me to do now? Are you requesting a police investigation or claiming a party audit?

■ Jang Ye-chan: So many people insist on requesting a party audit and an investigation. I don't think this is a matter to go that far. Because as long as you become the chairman of the party's cooperation committee. Show me all the phone numbers of the local party members' dates of birth. It's a lie that you can't read party information. I've been the chairman of the party's cooperation committee for two weeks. He showed me all the information of our local party members until the election was won and the nomination was canceled. Then, the date of birth of the people who posted the post and the last digit of their cell phones can be viewed in 10 seconds. I'm asking you to tell me after seeing it. I mean, the party explains that the post named Han Dong-hoon is not his. Then I don't intend to argue with that. I believe in it. I don't think so. However, since there are people who don't trust each other, they have filed complaints against each other, and you can reveal it through an investigation, and CEO Han Dong-hoon can go home and ask why he is related to his family. I have an account like this, is it you? It's not. If you listen to it, you can say in front of the public that it's not like that, or I checked the date of birth, and it's the same person. Although the probability is very low, it's so amazing that my family's name posts every minute, but why can't I explain it?

◇ Park Sung-min: But I'm personally curious about this, is Joo Jin-woo, the chairman of the People's Power Legal Advisory Committee? However, this person also said that he would file a complaint against YouTube, which continued to broadcast that Han posted slanderous messages, even though it was revealed that Han Dong-hoon did not post them. Then, in this process, even the best Jang Ye-chan, who posted a message, can be subject to accusation, so I wonder how the party's response is going.

◆ Shin Yul: But in the case of Jang Ye Chan, I think he uploaded a story about his family rather than about CEO Han Dong-hoon.

■ Jang Ye-chan: So, if I'm just coming here and accusing me, file a complaint against Chairman Joo Jin-woo. Why is the family suspicion that they are looking for additional charges like this room?

◆ Sin-ryul: But what I want to ask you now is that the families are common sense. When it comes to whether to post such slander on a bulletin board that needs to be posted under this real name, I actually think

◇ Park Sung-min: I think that's what my family will be more careful about.

■ Jang Ye-chan: I'm asking you to explain because it's so clueless. You can just say no. But why doesn't it come out that it's not? More than one week

◆ Sin Yul: That's it. I actually saw the article yesterday. When I saw the article yesterday and interviewed Kang Myung-gu, I asked about this. Supreme Council member Jang Ye-chan posted this, and I asked him how he saw it, and he didn't know. I just went in and out of a meeting, so I just moved on, but I'm very curious about that. I did this even though I knew I was going to lose my sight. Well, I don't know about this.

■ Professor Jin-OO Jin-OO Choi-OO. What is the mathematical probability that four people will post the same thing repeatedly every minute when 700 posts are posted, even though the name Jin-OO is not a common name?

◆ Shin Yul: I don't know. Anyway, it's very mysterious in many ways. Real

■ Jang Ye-chan: If there is no basis, would you do it in common sense like the professor's reaction, but

◇ Park Sung-min: I actually feel like that too

■ Jang Ye-chan: Everything was captured and evidence was written down by the supporters by that time. Posting at 23:01 and posting at 23:02 with a different ID and posting at 23:03 are all organized in Excel. If I don't have evidence, I might wonder if this makes sense, but in front of that clear capture and time zone evidence, CEO Han Dong-hoon is obligated to explain.

◆ Shin Yul: So how is the process of filing a complaint or an audit of the party going on now?

■ Jang Ye-chan: I heard that floor leader Choo Kyung-ho asked Secretary-General Seo Bum-soo to audit the party's affairs, but isn't Secretary-General Seo Bum-soo close? I don't think there will be a party audit.

◆ What should I do then?

■ Jang Ye-chan: If that happens, CEO Han Dong-hoon does not mention his family at all. If we just move on with this, maybe civic groups and even families will have no choice but to get to the bottom of it if they file a complaint with obstruction of business or defamation. That's how

◆ Shin Yul: Okay. And this is really... I think Myung Taekyun got on the train together. Presidential Special Train... We need to examine whether this is true or not, but anyway, reports are coming out like this, what do you think?

◇ Park Sung-min: So, various revelations and suspicions related to Lee Myung-tae-kyun or statements from those who were in the Future Korea Research Institute such as Kang Hye-kyung or other research institute directors are coming out. So I think there are circumstances that can prove the connection between Lee Myung-tae-kyun and the President and his wife. So, not only the suspicion that he boarded this presidential train, but also the so-called Geumilbong, which is actually called the "Geumilbong" in the envelope written on Kobana Content, has been secured another statement that he received a money bag containing about 5 million won from First Lady Kim Gun-hee. Myung also said that he had received money from First Lady Kim Gun-hee. However, even if I didn't talk about the timing or amount in detail,

◆ Isn't it JTBC report? Is JTBC the memory of receiving money for transportation?

◇ Park Sung-min: There's a bit of a solo competition right now, so there's a lot of different situations coming out.

◆ Shin Yul: I don't know because it came out too much.

◇ Park Sung-min: Anyway, I think all the communications between CEO Lee Joon-seok and Myung Tae-kyun on the presidential train show that the excuses of the ruling camp figures who have tried to reduce the suspicion of Myung Tae-kyun have become irrelevant. It's just a simple bluff. I said that I'm a person who has a strong sense of pride, but I don't think I would have given such treatment and treatment or such money unless I was not a special person or a relationship that I rely on.

◆ Shin Yul: Jang Ye Chan is the best over there. Look at this as true. The fact that Myung Tae Gyun got on a private train?

■ Jang Ye-chan: I don't think it's possible that it's true.

◆ Shin Yul: Why?

■ Jang Ye-chan: Because I've been on a private plane a few times, not a train. In the case of presidential aircraft, when using the same means of transportation as the president, preparation for security, protocol, and identification in advance are very thorough.

◆ Sin Yul: So you're not saying let's ride this together?

■ Jang Ye-chan: You can't. Of course, trains and airplanes can be a little different, so I can't tell you exactly because I haven't been on a train, but if that's the case, the record cannot be left. For example, Myung Tae-kyun was on board, but there was no record. It's impossible to board and not have a record. Because of the security problem, as far as I know, it's necessary to keep records of who gets on board one by one. So it's likely that this is just a cardara, and I'm speculating that the likelihood that it actually actually actually got on meaningfully is significantly lower than what I know of common sense.

◇ Park Sung-min: So the prosecution's investigation should be conducted more thoroughly, but it's a little disappointing that the prosecution's expectations are not high. Because the core of the investigation into Lee's gate is actually whether Lee and his wife intervened in the nomination process, and there was a close relationship with Lee in the process that made it possible. This is the part, but if you look at it now, the direction in which the prosecution's investigation is conducted was also conducted by receiving money from candidates who want to challenge local elections ahead of the nomination of local elections. Investigation is focused on some local money transactions like this. So, the prosecution's pace of investigation was very slow and the request for an arrest warrant was delayed because the prosecution seems to be continuously touching the body of the suspicion. So, even if there is such suspicion, can the prosecution investigate this properly? So, if it's an suspicion and it's a circumstance, then you can look at the record. It's a matter of fact, but I'm a little worried about whether the investigation will be able to go that far.

■ Jang Ye-chan: Can I tell you a little more about the train? I've had several chances to ride it.

◆ Shin Yul: Wait a minute. Why did you say that? I don't know who said this, but why did you do this?

■ Jang Ye-chan: Regarding Myung Tae-kyun, there are too many reports that are different from the truth. When I was the Supreme Council member, I had a few opportunities to ride the train, but I couldn't ride the train because I didn't accompany him because of my schedule, but in my memory, the level of security and protocol is definitely lower than that of a private jet. However, as I said earlier, great security and strict protocol are required for the compartment in which the president rides, and as far as I remember, when the president went out of town, all the members of the People's Power followed him by train once.

◆ Sin Yul: I don't remember when it was, but it happened.

■ Jang Ye-chan: I remember it was Gwangju, but I don't know exactly, but I was supposed to go with you at that time, but as the leadership, I couldn't go because of my other personal schedule, so I know the procedure. Then most people are in different compartments from the president. The boarding time is also different. The same train moves, but then it's not the same car as the president, so the people's power lawmakers ride with their aides or special news reports, and this protocol and security are different from the same car as the president. Then, nothing has been revealed yet, but if it is the realm of speculation, it is true that Myung Tae-kyun has continued to have friendships with other politicians and lawmakers of the people's power. Then, I don't know who would have boarded the other compartment with politicians or lawmakers in the form of a special adviser to a lawmaker or a lawmaker, but that would never be the same as the president, according to the common sense I know. I'd like to add that kind of supplementary explanation.

◇ Park Sung-min: So anyway, the date is also specified. So it's not just that I was told that I rode it once in a certain month or month, but this is for sure. The fact that she met Kim Gun-hee on a special presidential train bound for Bongha, Gyeongsangnam-do, in June 2022 is what Kang Hye-kyung and Director Kim Tae-yeol said coincided with and talked about.

■ Jang Ye-chan: I think the credibility is low. Myung Tae-kyun flirted with Kang Hye-kyung and others.

◇ Park Sung-min: No, you can see it that way, but it's hard to say that it's just a bluff. Anyway, there are certainly issues about the people Kim Gun-hee was accompanying during her visit to Bongha Village. So there were people who were unknown, and as you may remember in the early days of its launch, there was a controversy when the wife of the personnel secretary, that is, a civilian, was put on a presidential plane. He explained that there was a special public offering, but in fact, the presidential aircraft, which is difficult to understand, is a very strictly managed security facility as you said, and there was a problem that the wife of the personnel secretary was accompanied by a civilian. So in the end, all of this is to reveal the events of those days when the construction was not distinguished through one keyword, Mrs. Kim Gun-hee. Therefore, it is difficult for me to conclude that this is false at all. That's why I wonder if this is a part that should be clarified through an investigation.

◆ Shin Yul: Okay. Shall we reduce the order of the first part here? Let's keep talking in part two.