[News NIGHT] The ruling and opposition parties' "Amendment to the Special Prosecutors' Act"... More "Myeong Tae-kyun Recordings" will be revealed.

■ Host: anchor Sung Moon-gyu
■ Starring: former Saenuri Party lawmaker Chung Ok-im, former Democratic Party lawmaker Shin Kyung-min

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[Anchor]
It's time for "Focus Night" to point out the news of political interest. Today, we will be joined by former Saenuri Party member Chung Ok-im and former Democratic Party member Shin Kyung-min. Welcome, two of you. The Democratic Party of Korea's offensive is intensifying a day before the National Assembly plenary session to vote on the amendment of the Special Prosecutor's Act. Let's hear Park Chan-dae's floor leader's remarks first.

[Park Chan-dae / Floor Leader of the Democratic Party of Korea: When the Democratic Party of Korea said it would propose an amendment to the Kim Gun-hee Special Prosecutor Act, the people's power criticized it with unreasonable and unreasonable intentions. The toxic clause claimed by the people's power has been removed, and this time it is argued that it is an evil law. There is no consistency or logic in the argument. If you want to negotiate, come up with a special prosecutor for the power of the people today. The Democratic Party has said many times that it is willing to consult seriously. ]

[Anchor]
As you heard just now, I criticized the Democratic Party of Korea and the ruling party, saying that it is now a bad law because I took out the toxic clause. What do you think, lawmaker Chung? Do you think the ruling party's position was reflected in the revision of the Democratic Party?

[Nice]
Originally, when criticizing the existing independent counsel law, the power of the people took issue with the toxic clause. However, they are pressuring the special prosecutor to accept the special prosecution by excluding the toxic clause, but they do not intend to receive the power of the people. As a result, the Democratic Party is quite opposed. But there are a few contextual elements here. First of all, isn't CEO Lee Jae-myung's first trial sentence on the 15th and 25th? In such a situation, the party is united as a force of the people. And the reason why the Democratic Party continues to push for the independent counsel now is that the gate to impeachment is the independent counsel. As a result, I've said it's a so-called toxin clause, but I don't want to accept it in the future. For the Democratic Party of Korea, I think it is a situation where it is forced to continue to push for the special prosecution in terms of bulletproofness because we do not know what the outcome of Lee Jae-myung's trial will be. In such a situation, in the power of the people, instead of this special prosecutor, there is now a special feeling of representative Han. I feel like I'm accepting a special feeling. It's because shouldn't we show that we're going to make some kind of renovation? That's the situation now.

[Anchor]
I see. It's not important whether the toxin clause is removed or not, but it seems that the situational factor is at work now. That's what they say.

[nervous]
Well, looking at the current situation, the public's rejection of the special prosecution itself is very strong no matter what the contents of the special prosecution are. If you go to the special prosecutor, I think this is the departure of the high-speed train to impeachment. Therefore, it seems impossible to see the ruling and opposition parties sit face to face with the special prosecution for the time being and ask what to do with the special prosecution's contents because the public's consistent position is that it should not be wrapped up in such a way as whether it is the right to recommend the special prosecution or reduce the scope of the investigation. But there are variables. There is also a sentence for Lee Jae-myung on the 15th and 25th, which I just said, but I can't guess what the recordings or texts will be about the president or the president's wife. It came out today, yesterday, and the day before yesterday. Then, we don't know what's going to come out tomorrow at all, so for the time being, recording Jungkook and text Jungkook will definitely come out one or two times a day. In such a situation, the ruling and opposition parties are too far from each other to discuss with the independent counsel, and the public is very afraid of such things as fear of impeachment and fear of impeachment, and the general public is also impeached? There are a lot of people who do that. Therefore, in one situation or another, the special prosecutor seems to have no choice but to continue the two parallel lines for the time being due to this situation.

[Anchor]
So, even if it passes tomorrow, the problem is that the Democratic Party is planning to re-vote by the end of this month because the Democratic Party of Korea accounts for more than half of all lawmakers tomorrow. Let's say you said a variable.The variable is unpredictable, and in the current situation, there was a four-vote departure last time for the upcoming re-vote situation at the end of this month. Do you think there won't be any changes?

[Nice]
Not only did there not change the number of leave votes, but in fact, many people believed that the number of leave votes would increase, if not eight, because of the president's press conference. However, after the press conference, I think I made a pretty quick gesture that changed something, so I think the public sentiment was serious. As a result, we're also talking about personnel reform in detail. And isn't it that you're not accompanying me on the tour, even though you can see it right away? It's even a joke, but there's talk about changing your phone number. And from the point of view of the close circle of the people's power, I think that the special inspection is the primary gateway and that it is a subject to be carried out, and in relation to the special prosecution, the trauma of putting blood on your hands and maybe using all the responsibility for extreme situations later, while reviving the memories of the past few years ago. That's why I'm saying that no matter how hard I try to seduce my close friends, I can't meet the opposition's intentions, right?
And rather than the party still rolling around representative Han Dong-hoon, the atmosphere of the people's power is still quite melted by the so-called unwritten pro-yoon. That's why you can't get the Democratic Party's special prosecution right away, and you don't want to get it.

[Anchor]
As you can see on the screen, you can never get an amendment from the Democratic Party of Korea even in close circles. This stance seems clear. In the case of lawmaker Ahn Cheol Soo, he said that if the ruling and opposition parties agree, they should accept it. We have some time after passing the plenary session tomorrow before the re-vote.

[nervous]
It's about two weeks.

[Anchor]
In the meantime, do you think there is a possibility that the ruling and opposition parties will be negotiated?

[nervous]
I don't think it's high. First of all, there was a desperate meeting of President Yoon on the 7th. It was until a little after 12 a.m. and then some specific measures poured out in the afternoon, which I think the presidential office did a few tinkering with the rapid deterioration of public opinion about the desperate conference. But CEO Han Dong-hoon has been silent for two to three days. Also, as CEO Han Dong-hoon joined the team and helped, he temporarily filled the holes here and there in the desperate conference. But the variables I mentioned earlier are continuously being recorded and texted. But what supports this is the fear of impeachment. This is maintained now because the fear of impeachment continues to play a role in filling this hole in a way. Nevertheless, there are many leaks. Seeing that things that should not be said are kept coming out of the market and being reported, I will feel that the leakage phenomenon is serious for the presidential office or the ruling party. Anyway, the fear of impeachment is that the special prosecutor is on a high-speed train to impeachment. This is one thing that holds out. In the case of the
Ahn Cheol Soo Assemblyman, conditions are applied. If the ruling and opposition parties agree. However, the ruling and opposition parties' agreement is almost impossible, so the 14th vote and tomorrow's vote will not mean much. The question is the vote on the 28th, and how these various variables are combined and how they work in the 28th. And it is actually difficult to guarantee the 28th because what happens to the president in the meantime and around the president's office becomes a variable.

[Anchor]
As you said earlier, the ruling party is openly saying that in order to prevent the special prosecution now, it should go as a special inspector. That's why I'm doing a gun tomorrow. What will the atmosphere be like tomorrow?

[Nice]
CEO Han Dong-hoon even thought of that earlier, so he talked about the special inspection. However, the opposition party said that the situation of the special inspection has already escaped, and the ruling party rejected the special inspection very much, but now I think it has become a reality. So I'm opening the possibility that I won't vote on the special inspection, and then I'll approve it with applause. And what Rep. Lee Chul-kyu, who is said to be a very representative face of Chin-yoon, said was that there is no reason to refuse special inspection now. And in the case of former lawmaker Kim Min, the Yoon Suk Yeol government has never opposed the special inspection. So I think I'm going to build a bank with a special sense. Why does Ahn Cheol Soo say that, it is important to have an independent counsel agreed upon by the ruling and opposition parties. I'm a little sorry for Representative Ahn Cheol Soo, but this is one thing. How can we reach an agreement now regarding the independent counsel? So in my view, that's the situation, but as you said, we have 28 days, 2 weeks left. It's very important how public opinion moves at that time. However, it is not whether the special prosecutor or the special prosecutor determines the trend of public opinion, but whether there is a really decisive one in the transcript. I keep sending out the transcripts like I'm cutting a tree with an axe, but what's really important is whether or not there's another president's voice or a transcript containing the woman's voice. However, in my view, there is no evidence that the opposition Democratic Party has such a decisive transcript. If I had it, I would have already given it away. In the current situation, the situation variable can affect for 14 days, but there seems to be no other variable that can change the mind of the ruling party itself.

[Anchor]
One of the targets of the special prosecutor's investigation, which the Democratic Party is talking about, is the suspicion of Myung Tae-kyun. This is a problem even after narrowing it down, but the Democratic Party released another recording of Myung Tae-kyun today. First of all, this recording is said to be from June to July 2022, the phone call between Myung Tae-kyun and Kang Hye-kyung, and the first of them is to show off that it influenced the personnel of public institutions in Gyeongnam, but A, who recommended it, was eliminated in the final. From this point of view, should I say it's a failed personnel lobby? What did you think of this?

[nervous]
Even if I failed, this is a personnel intervention even if I can do this and try to do it once. Failed personnel intervention is also personnel intervention. If you look at what's coming out now, it started with intervention in nominations, but intervention in personnel affairs, intervention in state affairs, and hitting people's hearts really are spiritual conversations. There are a lot of spiritual conversations right now. The fact that Myung Tae-kyun denied the spiritual conversation and shared it with the president appears in various evidences, and there are parts that Myung Tae-kyun shows off, so people are saying, "Isn't this too much? It's too much. It's not something we shouldn't do." At the same time, it suddenly reminds me of Choi Soon-sil in my head. There was another disclosure today, and recently, it seems that the issue of nomination intervention and personnel intervention is almost immovable. And there are various interventions in state affairs now. Because we know the schedule, it has been revealed that he has intervened in various policies for a long time, so the intervention of nominations, personnel intervention, intervention in state affairs, and spiritual dialogue proved that Myung Tae-kyun intervened and engaged for quite a long time, denied this by the president or the president-elect, and talked about it since he was a candidate before that. This is already quite advanced in people's minds regardless of whether it is an arrest warrant or whether it is prosecuted or tried. I'm on my way with confidence.

[Anchor]
That's what the first recording is about. It was recorded that it was a situation in which the head of a public institution intervened in personnel affairs, and the second one was that Myung Tae-kyun mentioned the schedule of President Yoon's visit to the company and recommended that he buy the company's stock. Let's listen to it ourselves.

[Myeong Tae-gyun / Kang Hye-kyung, June 20, 2022 Phone call: I got a call from the governor that Park Wan-soo will come down between the 22nd and the 25th. Whether it comes or not, if you hold it still, it will cost 60,000 to 70,000 won later.... ]

[Anchor]
Park Wan-soo is the governor of Gyeongnam Province. I got a call. The presidential schedule is actually confidential for security reasons, but it's not easy for the general public to know this in advance.

[Nice]
So what was really absurd about this time was that they talked and shared opinions with politicians who were elected president because they were ordinary people, so I was so embarrassed. But it was probably a private currency, so I bought stocks in a way. Then you know whether you pursued your private interests and the president's schedule that requires security. Then you can imagine whether you had an affair with the woman, but there is no evidence whether you received the information from the governor of Gyeongsangnam-do at the time or from someone else. So, as you said earlier, it may have psychological elements of suspicion and criticism that this is very problematic for voters, but is it legally decisive? It's quite difficult to say that. The transcripts will keep coming out. Because this is not revealed by a person named Myung Tae-kyun, but what three to four people have other than Myung Tae-kyun are coming out here and there. There are things Kang Hye-kyung is putting out, but there are also things that she doesn't know coming from third parties, and there are a lot of media channels, right? In such a situation, an arrest warrant for Myung Tae-kyun is highly likely to be filed and arrested for violating the Political Fund Act. In addition to the violation of the Political Fund Act, as you said, there are decisive data that can satisfy the doubts as people continue to doubt nomination intervention, personnel intervention, and Changwon Industrial Complex. If that happens, there is a concern that this will be a considerable crisis for the ruling camp and the presidential office.

[Anchor]
So, even if it's not a decisive trigger or smoking gun, it seems that the two of you are saying that in common because if these things continue to build up and build up, the public's feelings will increase. In fact, it was said that it will come down from the 22nd to the 25th, which we talked about in the recording a while ago. However, I actually visited on the 22nd, and the company's stock rose 5% at the time.

[nervous]
They were talking about Doosan. Actually, this is all verified, so it's probably a fact. So in the case of the presidential schedule, it's very confidential, so only very direct lines in the region are hush-hush, but it's true that if it keeps spreading and spreading, a lot of people will know. However, Myung Tae-kyun is actually a person who doesn't have any position. I can't really say I'm a Jang Sam director, but I'm not a person who has a certain position or has a connection to my work, but the fact that I picked it up and found out exactly like this means that I have no choice but to do a direct transaction from a powerful person. But it's hard to confirm this. It's going to be very difficult even through investigation. From that point of view, it's difficult to confirm this through investigation, but it's a pretty decisive episode when it comes to creating awareness and forming a perception. You've been doing it like this, you've been intervening in personnel affairs, taking out information, and recommending investment. There is no way to confirm it because he claims he did not, but it is confirmed to those around him that he did this, so even if the prosecution cannot prove it through investigation, these are the facts that form a fairly decisive psychosis.

[Anchor]
So, every day, these recordings and things that can be used as psychology are coming out one by one, and there was this story again. The prosecution confirmed that Myung received an envelope from Kim, and Kang Hye-kyung said the money was about 5 million won. Myung says it's transportation expenses in the prosecution's investigation. But I think it's important to know the name of the money I received and for what reason I gave it.

[Nice]
That's right. He was a supporter of the president at the last press conference, and he accepted it because it was hard to beat him. Why did he give him money, whether it was transportation expenses or 5 million won? And what surprised me is that much of the prosecution's investigation is now being disclosed. Isn't it so? Some people say that the prosecution reduces the case of Myung Tae-kyun from the standpoint of power, but there is a personal opinion that in a pluralistic society, it does not seem to be moved as if it were completely woven. We've all seen it now, but looking at Myung Tae-kyun's question-and-answer behavior with reporters as he goes into prosecution investigation, how can he change his words, be inconsistent, and not worry about the national ambassador, but talk about his own safety and his children? However, I think the people's embarrassment and embarrassment must be quite great because such a person has a close relationship with a person who played an important role in politics and who is close to power. In that sense, I think this 5 million won is more than just a greeting. However, it is said that Myung Tae-kyun did some kind of work related to public opinion, but it seems to be quite insufficient to think of it as a benefit. Also, we can't check whether it's right or wrong for 5 million won, right? However, there is an anxiety that similar stories like this, so this can't be called a trigger, but there will be a story that will continue to amplify doubts in the future.

[Anchor]
The reason why Myung Tae-kyun's recording continues to draw attention in this situation is that there is a warrant review tomorrow. I don't know what will happen because former lawmaker Kim Young-sun also requested an arrest warrant tomorrow, but tomorrow, the charges are a violation of the Political Fund Act.

[nervous]
There's no limit to being suspicious about that, too. There are a lot of charges right now, and among them, the prosecution has requested a warrant with only the Political Fund Act, which is a little light, and then some people start to ask if the prosecution's investigation is going right or can we trust the Changwon District Prosecutors' Office's investigation. Then, in the future, the real big thing is nomination intervention, and also nomination intervention through manipulation of public opinion. Personnel intervention, state intervention, and spiritual dialogue in themselves will not be a charge.Ma is a change in policy through spiritual dialogue, but these are very big issues. Rather, if a warrant is filed with only the Political Fund Act, which is one step lower, will this be enough for the judge who reads it to decide to arrest him when making a decision? I don't know what will happen, but if the warrant is rejected, the prosecution will be disgraced, but this will be a considerable death for the regime. If the warrant is not rejected, but cited, and imprisonment is made tomorrow or the day after tomorrow, it will have the effect of blocking your mouth. Now, there will be a slight blocking effect because there is no choice but to talk about it through a lawyer. However, the lawyer is also a rude talker, but I don't think he will be completely blocked. So if you say you're arrested, that's how it's going to go. If the arrest is dismissed, that itself will be the beginning of another controversy.

[Anchor]
In fact, the biggest criterion for issuing a warrant or not is actually destruction of evidence and fear of escape.

[Nice]
So, I think there is a high possibility that a warrant will come out. In the meantime, I think he didn't know that he asked someone to do something about his recording, even though he was at a very disadvantage legally.
And according to some media reports, Rep. Kim Young-sun has been hiding for a while, but there are media outlets that report this with family persuasion, so I think there is a pretty good possibility that it will be accepted. It's just that this is a violation of the Political Fund Act, but in fact, the prosecutors have created an exit that they can completely escape from responsibility. Because after talking about it, the lawyer also talks about CEO Lee Jun-seok at the time. The person who has the right to nominate is Lee Joon-seok, so CEO Lee Joon-seok is the axis of evil, through the mouth of a lawyer named Myung Tae-kyun. But what I mean is that Lee Joon-seok contacted Myung Tae-gyun and talked to the president on the phone. To the president-elect. Then, how could a person who is in a position to help his client say that Lee Jun-seok is the nominee, but he couldn't be nominated by Lee Jun-seok's power, so he told the president? So who do you think many people had any real influence when it came to nominations after all? From that point of view, the prosecution is ostensibly talking about Lee Joon-seok and even Chairman Kim Jong-in, but if we do this, shouldn't we open up the room and possibility of it in the future anyway? This is my personal opinion, but that's what I think. Isn't it highly likely that a warrant will be issued based on the destruction of evidence and flight? Of course, I'm not a judicial expert, but I think so.

[Anchor]
I see. And I looked at tomorrow's schedule. The day after tomorrow, representative Lee Jae-myung's first trial of the Public Official Election Act was sentenced, and there was a lot of debate over whether to broadcast it live or not, but the court's judgment was not allowed to broadcast it live.

[nervous]
It must have been very burdensome for the first trial to allow the live broadcast. I did a live broadcast.Ma was the case of all those who served as president. Lee Jae-myung is not the president right now. It's very likely that you don't think it's right for now to broadcast this live in the first trial. However, the issue of live broadcasting from the National Power Party to Representative Joo Jin-woo and representative Han Dong-hoon of the National Power Party became an issue and made it well for a few days. This is a very clever tactic, politically. You know you can't do it, but you keep attacking this, saying you're innocent, and claiming you're innocent. So it makes sense when we say, "Let's do a live broadcast." So this is, from the perspective of the National Power Party, a very clever and clever tactical strategy was implemented and it worked to a large extent. In that sense, I think the live broadcast card was a pretty good card. There was actually little possibility that the first trial court would accept this.

[Anchor]
I see. But the day after tomorrow, this charge is a violation of the Public Official Election Act. The prosecution demanded two years in prison. How do you expect lawmaker Chung to make various predictions through various media?

[Nice]
How embarrassing would the court be? Wouldn't you feel psychologically that you are pressuring and conciliating politically when you have to make a judgment based on legal principles and evidence? Nevertheless, the problem of violating the election law and the problem of perjury teachers. Of course, I'm not from Yulsa Temple, but this is not a matter of whether or not I'm guilty right now. First of all, I think it's guilty. It's just how you do sentencing. But 1 million won is crucial. But it's a question of whether it's more than 1 million won or less than 1 million won. If I were to infer, as a person who doesn't know the law, I think it would be 1 million won. Then you're guilty. And this is a very decisive first trial. Then, from the perspective of the Democratic Party of Korea, since it came out to 1 million won in the first trial, let's try harder, without provoking the court. In any case, from the perspective of the justice department, I think you're taking it too seriously in a situation where you can't say you're innocent at all, including Baekhyun-dong and Kim Moon-ki, but I'm just saying that's what it is.

[Anchor]
He said that the court's embarrassment will appear to be about 1 million won.

[nervous]
I think the ruling party wants a year in prison now. If you look at the ruling party's panels.

[Anchor]
Rep. Kim Jae-won especially did, and he talked about a year in prison.

[nervous]
Since he was sentenced to two years in prison, he said that it is right so far if he is sentenced to at least a year in prison. I think the court will probably sentence the ruling and opposition parties to the extent that it is okay to make their own arguments. Both the logic of the ruling party and the logic of the opposition party went out of each other and we won. The ruling party won, and the opposition party will probably make the right line that the justice department accepted our argument.

[Anchor]
What's the line?

[nervous]
I watch 1 million to 1.5 million won.

[Anchor]
I see. That's because the results will come out in two days. Let's see what results come out then. Today, I joined former Saenuri Party lawmaker Chung Ok-im and former Democratic Party lawmaker Shin Kyung-min. Thank you.