Kim Sung-tae "emotional" over the reform party's impeachment...Hong Ikpyo, "The door to impeachment has opened."

◆ [YTN Radio SHINYUL's news]
■ Broadcasting: FM 94.5 (17:00-19:00)
■ Air date: November 20, 2024 (Wednesday)
■ Proceedings: Shin Yul, Professor of Political Science and Diplomacy at Myongji University
■ Talk: Kim Sung-tae, former floor leader of the People's Power, Hong Ik-pyo, former floor leader of the Democratic Party of Korea

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Kim Sung-tae
- 尹 must show a new side through change and innovative reform
- The ROK-U.S. alliance is stable and waterproof...Security reform is very important- The Cho Kuk Innovation Party's impeachment bill carries considerable emotion.There is no president who can be perfect.
- 與 Controversy over the bulletin board within the party? Revealing all anonymity is a complex structure

Hong Ikpyo
- 尹 greeting style? It is focused on loyalty rather than proven competence.
- 尹, speaking down to the presidential office staff in public is very inappropriate
- Cho Kuk Innovation Party's impeachment motion, collecting opinions and grasping public sentiment within the Democratic Party of Korea
- 尹 opens the door for impeachment.It seems like the discussion is going on.

◆ Shin Yul: Shin Yul's news head-to-head competition part 2 begins. Following the first part, the ruling and opposition parties will continue. I'll tell you in order of ruling and opposition parties. Kim Sung-tae, former floor leader of the People's Power Party, and Hong Ik-pyo, former floor leader of the Democratic Party of Korea, are here. These days, people say that when the president of Yoon Suk Yeol comes, he will reshuffle his personnel, but we don't know what will happen, but how do we look at it? How can I control the public opinion well?

◇ Kim Sung-tae: When Han Dong-hoon and Han's long-standing demand for a private meeting was made in the form of a sit-down meeting on October 21, didn't the specific demand start from the position on Kim Gun-hee's risk to the reform of the state administration? Specifically, the core of the five demands is to reform the state administration. So completely reorganize the cabinet and the presidential office together. And now, didn't representative Han Dong-hoon make a specific demand for this personnel reshuffle, pointing out the eight people who were close to first lady Kim Gun-hee? At that time, he did not produce results between the government and the government and materialize them, but the president declared his will to reform and change the political situation at the end of the year in front of the public and media at a press conference on November 7th. So, if we do this in the future, will we have a full-scale personnel reshuffle, including Prime Minister Han Duck-soo, or will we have a small cabinet reshuffle?

◆ Sin-ryul: But of course that's true, but you take out the stones and put them in here.
◇ Kim Sung-tae : Yeah, so

◆ Sinryul: This is not about width, it's about

◇ Kim Sung-tae: So you're not worried about this revolving door greeting again.

◆ Synthesis: Various

◇ Kim Sung-tae: There are many things that the party has delivered to the president through various channels and channels. Therefore, no matter how well we try to communicate and understand the state affairs that politics is listening to, and ask for public cooperation, we cannot see this when politics is listening to policies. So, this is the way to get rid of politics, but the part that gets rid of this politics needs to be firmly renewed by the government and the government through some change and innovation reform.

◆ Sin Yul: How do you watch it? CEO Hong?

■ Hong Ik-pyo: When any president greets, he or she thinks about it with two main criteria. One is loyalty, quality and competence, so loyalty or competence.
◆ Sin Yul: So it reminds me of Trump all of a sudden. I think I'm doing it out of loyalty these days. That person is

■ Hong Ik-pyo: Usually, each president has a different style of preference, and it depends on whether he or she is in the early or late administration. Looking at President Yoon Suk Yeol's style of personnel affairs, it seems that the main focus of personnel affairs in the early days of his administration was much more on loyalty. It's not a proven competency, but rather a proven competency, so I hear a lot of this overall. I heard from people in the conservative side. There are people who say, "How can the Yoon Suk Yeol government use only B and C when there are A-levels among our conservatives?" Even though there are very good people, there are people who we don't know well, and when we came in, it's terrible. It's not criticism from the opposition party or the progressive side that they came in even though they're not good enough, but from the conservative side, they often say that. That's why it's important for the president to place people around his capabilities this time. Especially in the case of the prime minister, didn't you already express your resignation last April? After the parliamentary election, I couldn't change it then. However, one of the reasons for the change is that the prime minister needs to be ratified by the National Assembly, and shouldn't the Democratic Party send someone who can understand to be ratified by the National Assembly? However, the fact that the Democratic Party of Korea can understand is that there should be public opinion that the people are okay with him to some extent. When I was the floor leader, I rejected the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court once. And now, Cho Hee-dae, the chief justice of the Supreme Court, and after I became the floor leader, I looked up the reputation. I said here and there, but the legal profession was not very favorable to the person who was nominated at first. Rather than just asking them to do it, there were more requests to make a decision quickly. On the other hand, when I asked Chief Justice Cho Hee-dae for a quick rejection or approval, I had three criteria. I looked at the standard of whether he can stand up to the president and protect the independence of the judiciary, and secondly, whether he has that leadership or can lead the judiciary, and thirdly, whether there is any moral problem, but most people gave a good evaluation to that standard, and the actual hearing did not reveal such a problem, right? So, the prime minister of the National Assembly should not expect the opposition to pass it, but should present a person who is difficult for the opposition to vote down because of public opinion. So you have to find that kind of mission. However, as Professor Shin said earlier, turning it around is the worst greeting.

◆ Synthesis: Except here

■ Hong Ik-pyo: That was often the case of the Yoon Suk Yeol government now because they were promoted without the problematic person. There are two things that the person who should be fired is actually promoted and left, and he's using this person again here. In this way, the defense minister went to the head of the security office and the head of the national security office went to the head of the National Intelligence Service. The president has to change his personnel style because the talent pool is narrow or new people cannot be used. Another important thing is that the president needs to change. According to a Cabinet meeting, the president speaks alone for 57 to 8 minutes in an hour, but that cannot be an open Cabinet meeting. And in particular, there are rumors that the president uses harsh expressions even to the members of the State Council. Often during the last press conference with the people, he was an employee of the presidential office, but he spoke informally similarly in public. It's a habit. For me, that's a public seat. You may speak casually because you are like a son in private, but that's only when you're with two people. It's very inappropriate to express that at a formal meeting and even at a broadcast site where the people are watching.

◆ Shin-yul: Right, suddenly CEO Hong Ik-pyo said that, I suddenly remember the diplomatic and security line. I don't know when the Trump administration will be launched and the war in Ukraine will end, and in this situation, many media reporters thought that this should be changed. Before I came here, someone called me to ask me to say something, so I suddenly thought of it. How do you watch it?

◇ [Kim Sung-tae] That's right. Now that Trump is elected in the U.S. presidential election, especially, he will make the global stock market based on some U.S.-first profit and loss calculation. Isn't the Korean Peninsula especially vulnerable in that respect? So now the cost of security will be higher than in the past, and last August, Trump's eldest son came to our vanguard church to testify. There are many behind-the-scenes stories around it. Anyway, the multilateral U.S. will have to have a lot of level in its diplomatic and security approach to the U.S. while operating channels with Trump. So, if you have an open mind and a stable and conservative position in the Korea-U.S. alliance for a long time, then Trump is very greedy and calculated, but in a way, he can pursue trust. In that respect, it is also very important to reorganize this diplomatic security that can be assisted by the president. So, as CEO Hong Ik-pyo said a while ago, he took this as a greeting to turn the revolving door and turned it a little to the side, so this won't have any impression on the people. There are actually many things that the president can do to change the political situation, but the most certain thing that can be seen to the public is that personnel reform is conveyed through people through personnel reform. As such, the changed composition of their own staff and the Cabinet's advancement takes an opportunity for the people to be interested in the state affairs of the Yoon Suk Yeol government again. I'm looking at it like this.

◆ Shin Yul: Excuse me. Today, the Cho Kuk Innovation Party released 15 articles of impeachment. Did you see the Democratic Party? Representative Hong, too, but from the perspective of the Democratic Party, how do you think it will respond? How

■ Hong Ik-pyo: I think I'm going to deliberate a little bit. Since the current position of our party has not yet been determined by the party until impeachment, the acceptance of the special prosecutor is at the current level, so I think it is a matter of collecting opinions within the party or grasping public sentiment on how to impeach the opposition party.

◆ Sin-ryul: But looking at those 15, there are things that are a little bit under investigation or that can't be said to be true.

■ Hong Ik-pyo: Aren't there two hurdles to impeach? The first is the issue of having to pass 200 seats in the National Assembly. Since even the independent counsel law is currently less than 200 seats in the National Assembly, it is now a task to overcome one obstacle, and more importantly, it is important whether there is a legal issue that can be cited when going to the Constitutional Court. When Roh Moo Hyun was previously dismissed by the Constitutional Court during the impeachment of President, it was dismissed because it was not a serious legal matter enough to quit the presidency, although it could violate some election laws. So, the Constitutional Court's view of impeachment against the president is very strict. Since it is also shown as a major draft in the Constitution, so in that sense, this legal judgment and the problem of the ruling party, and the most fundamental thing is public opinion. How much public opinion demands the impeachment of the president will be confirmed by the Democratic Party and the opposition party through outdoor rallies and various polls. Therefore, just because the opposition parties agree to impeach now does not mean that it will be impeached.

◆ Shin Yul: That's right. How do you see it?

◇ Kim Sung-tae: So today, the Cho Kuk Innovation Party, especially with the representative Cho Kuk at the center, listed 15 impeachment cases in detail. I think this impeachment is because the spirit of the Constitution prevents the president from impeaching unless there is a really important reason for disqualification, so the National Assembly also proposes more than two-thirds of impeachment. Legislative actions should be a majority vote, but dismissing the president's position like that is considered a huge disaster for the country. That's why we have to take a very careful approach, but if the Cho Kuk Innovation Party looks at the impeachment bill today, you saw it, right? But I didn't study in detail. This is why this specific clause is a problem and I can't comment on it now.Even if I look at it roughly, it's quite emotional. In particular, from the standpoint of representative Cho Kuk, I've been a bad relationship since I was the prosecutor general at the time of Yoon Suk Yeol, haven't I? That's why he was elected as the leader of the Cho Kuk Innovation Party from the perspective of the victim, who was persecuted and suppressed, and pledged to impeach President Yoon Suk Yeol. That's why I'm proposing the impeachment bill now, but it's so obvious if it doesn't work with the Cho Kuk Innovation Party, and now the Democratic Party of Korea also has that meeting where Representative Lee of the impeachment alliance is Park Soo-hyun. In many forms, we will now discuss and have a connection. So now, I will think about the strategic strategy of how many people this impeachment train can carry the people to their destination like this, but in my view, if you impeach the president with this content, there will be no president in the future who will be completely president of the Republic of Korea.

■ Hong Ik-pyo: So the issue is not impeached as it is. So, I think the door to impeachment is a little open. So now that the door has opened, the discussion seems to be in full swing. The first is probably to start discussions among the opposition parties and to try to gain public consensus. In addition, since the ruling party has to agree within the National Assembly, the question of how to get some consent from the ruling party has begun in earnest. In that outcome, we need to create a sophisticated basis for impeachment that can even bring out the legal decision of the Constitutional Court.

◆ Shin Yul: CEO Hong has to leave now. Then, happy birthday to me once again. And I'd like to invite you from time to time. Please help me a lot. Thank you. I'll send CEO Hong Ik-pyo here first.

■ Hong Ik Pyo: Yes, thank you. I'm sorry.

◆ Shin Yul: I'm asking you something, CEO Kim. What do you think about the bulletin board these days? CEO Kim, is the bulletin board an anonymous bulletin board? I don't know if it's an anonymous bulletin board for party members, but how do you watch it with CEO Han Dong-hoon's family?

◇ Kim Sung-tae: The bulletin board is a place where our party members freely participate, especially since it's the ruling party, and the voices of various party members, such as the lack of fighting in the National Assembly, are communicated. That's why it's obvious that anonymity should be guaranteed quite a bit, but one day, that anonymity became open. So now that CEO Han Dong-hoon's family members are involved in this way, their participation is generally not related to any of the president's slanderous writings

◆ But we don't know if it's a family.
◇ Kim Sung-tae : Like that

◆ Shin Yul: It could be the same name

◇ Kim Sung-tae: That's right. CEO Han Dong-hoon has now turned out to be a person with the same name.

◆ Shin Yul: CEO Han Dong-hoon is

◇ Kim Sung-tae: We are now on the offensive, asking them to clarify this about the anonymous transaction, which is commonly referred to as family members, and to clarify this accurately through a party audit in that respect. Chairman Han Dong-hoon and other party officials around him now have to list all of these on the internal bulletin board, which should be guaranteed anonymity, as if investigating, and then 180,000 people are now participating in this article. Then, should we reveal all of that anonymity? There is a complicated structure. However, in order not to continue to turn this into a conflict within the party in the future politically, representative Han Dong-hoon needs to explain this part, and sometimes if there is something that needs to be apologized, it is necessary to do this nicely. If that's not the case, it's totally irrelevant in any case.

◆ Shin Yul: But do you think this is subject to a party audit? You've been in the party for a long time, and you've been chairman of various central committees and done many things. Do you think this is the subject of a party audit?

◇ Kim Sung-tae: This is entirely now that the party's secretariat, especially the party secretary general, will probably judge this issue. So now, report it to the CEO and through party audit, party audit is usually

◆ Shin Yul: Isn't it based on disciplinary action?

◇ [Kim Sung-tae] That's right. Now it's a replacement or disciplinary action. The audit is an objective quantification of how well the party secretariat personnel, or almost 90 percent of the party members in charge of their constituencies, are faithfully and closely managing the area, communicating with the local people as well as the management of the party members, and how many programs, roles and efforts are being made to communicate with the local people. That's how the party's audit results are usually used as important data for the nomination management committee. So, in the case of party audits, if there is a problem like disciplinary action without a party audit, the ethics committee deals with this problem. Anyway, this is a controversy over party audit, but in my opinion, this has never been the case in my experience so far. Because of slanderous comments on the internal bulletin board, especially those of the president and his wife, it is not possible to conclude that these are still related to representative Han Dong-hoon. However, this content, which is already known as such nuance, is solved as a party auditor. But I have some doubts.

◆ Sin-ryul: It's true that this problem is quite noisy right now, but we'll see how it's solved. That's all for today. Thank you.

◇ [Kim Sung-tae] Yes, thank you.

◆ Shin Yul: So far, I have been with Kim Sung-tae, the former floor leader of the People's Power, and Hong Il-pyo, the former floor leader of the Democratic Party of Korea.