[News Fighting] Kim Byung-min "Oh Se-hoon, Myung Tae-kyun Suspicion of paying for the poll? "It's like 'Ecological Tang Incident'."

[YTN Radio News Fighting Bae Seunghee]
□ Broadcasting: FM 94.5 (07:15 - 09:00)
□ Broadcast date and time: November 25, 2024 (Monday)
□ Host: Attorney Bae Seung-hee
□ Castor: Kim Byung-min, Deputy Mayor for Political Affairs of Seoul Metropolitan Government

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[YTN Radio <News Fighting, Bae Seunghee]> Please reveal that it's about the interview.

◇ Attorney Bae Seung-hee (hereinafter referred to as Bae Seung-hee): I'm Bae Seung-hee from News Fighting. The third part starts. Even though political broker Myung Tae-kyun was arrested, news has been reported every day, and this time, it is Seoul Mayor Oh Se-hoon. Suspicions were raised that he conducted a poll for Seoul Mayor Oh Se-hoon, and Mayor Oh Se-hoon strongly refuted the claim by saying that it is season 2 of ecotang. In this regard, we will talk with Kim Byung-min, Seoul's deputy mayor for political affairs, and the studio. Hello,

◆Kim Byung-min, Deputy Mayor for Political Affairs of Seoul (hereinafter referred to as Kim Byung-min): Yes, hello. Nice to meet you.

◇ Bae Seung-hee: Last time you came out and said that the pollack gate had nothing to do with it. Mayor Oh Se-hoon's name was mentioned again. Just give me a brief description.

◆ Kim Byung-min: Seoul Mayor Oh Se-hoon has talked about this all along. With the introduction of former lawmaker Kim Young-sun, he clearly said, "I only saw each other a couple of times, and I never continued my relationship or received help." Since last week, there have been about 13 non-publicized opinion polls that have been on the news. So I think the core of the public suspicion is that they conducted an unpublished opinion poll and handed over the money instead. First of all, it is true that Mayor Oh Se-hoon has never requested or received a U.S. public opinion poll from Mayor Oh Se-hoon.

◇ Bae Seung-hee: Okay, shall we ask each other? Myung Tae-kyun conducted a non-public opinion poll with money from a close aide known as a long-time supporter of Oh Se-hoon. This suspicion was raised. He's known as Mr. Kim, but is he really a long-time supporter?

◆ Kim Byung-min: He's one of the many sponsors, but as far as I know, the old free school meal incident has been quite a long time. At that time, I understood that they made a connection with the idea of helping Mayor Oh Se-hoon while looking at the contents of the free school meal.

◇ Bae Seung-hee: So is it true that Kim gave money to Myung Tae-kyun?

◆Kim Byung-min: Looking at a media report that was released yesterday, he says that he gave the money. And when I looked at the news, they put money into the account based on this Internet banking or banking. So in order to do these things in a secretively illegal environment in an election, like this series of situations that are coming up right now, could there be some absurd cases where you put money into your account like that? Looking at the interviews that came out yesterday. It seems that the relationship between Myung Tae-kyun and Kim, known as supporter Lee, has continued, asking for help by asking him for living expenses, and it is confirmed that Mayor Oh Se-hoon and the camp at the time were not aware of the situation. And he paid for the polls. If you paid for it while talking about it like this, shouldn't 13 unannounced polls have received the results of the poll? However, they say they have never received any of them, so when I asked them to explain to me who they gave it to since last week, they said that they had not received any of them, and they said that the poll has been coming out little by little since yesterday, but it is necessary to check the facts clearly.

◇ Bae Seung-hee: So I reported the results of the poll directly to Kim Jong-in, former chairman of the emergency committee. Are you saying that Mayor Oh Se-hoon has no idea because he went like this?

◆ Kim Byung-min: At that time, the race was in full swing. Chairman Kim Jong-in and I were also members of the emergency committee. I was the emergency committee member. While the party was an emergency committee member, I did not know that there was such a poll, and I have not confirmed any such contents at all.

◇ Bae Seung-hee: Then only Chairman Kim Jong-in has received it?

◆ Kim Byung-min: That's a no-brainer. Looking at what was said yesterday, I heard some of the messages from the secretary. Anyway, shouldn't we check why the poll of Myung Tae-kyun was conducted in that way, whether it was the chairman of the party's emergency committee? The important thing is that there are things that we don't even know at the camp level, and we're in trouble right now because of that. According to another news report that came out yesterday, there was a public opinion poll in the 2022 local elections, and the Yeouido Institute was mentioned. For those who watched the news, it seems that a poll with Mayor Oh Se-hoon's name went back then, but isn't it that the poll went back through Myung Tae-kyun at some point that had nothing to do with and didn't know about it? And where the poll went, I saw a report yesterday that it went to a smokehouse. Let me make it clear that it is different to specifically talk about Mayor Oh Se-hoon just because his name went in without knowing about these things. Now, Myung Tae-kyun has been arrested. And to prosecute, we need about 20 days after arrest, but we have less than 10 days left.

◇ Bae Seung-hee: By the way, I heard that Kim gave money to a poll conducted by Lee Myung-tae-kyun, but wouldn't he have received it?

◆Kim Byung-min: We'll have to check if Mr. Kim has received it.

◇ Bae Seung-hee: But if Mr. Kim had received it, wouldn't he have told Mayor Oh Se-hoon?

◆Kim Byung-min: I've never received anything about this either. We're talking about it clearly.

◇ Bae Seung-hee: Don't you contact Mr. Kim at all? With Mayor Oh Se-hoon.

◆Kim Byung-min: Likewise, how busy are candidates for the Seoul mayoral election during the election of Oh Se-hoon? So you'll form a relationship with the people in charge of the camp underneath, but I'm still hearing that the relationship wasn't that good at this time. Right. Not to mention Myung Taekyun.

◇ Bae Seung-hee: Yes. However, during the prosecution's investigation, there was a report that a Kakao Talk message that Myung Tae-kyun shared with Mayor Oh Se-hoon was confirmed.

◆Kim Byung-min: This should also be clarified by media reports that once, the prosecution's forensics confirmed a KakaoTalk message shared with Mayor Oh Se-hoon. There are times when it came out like this. It's different from the truth. If you get a Kakao Talk message you shared with Mayor Oh Se-hoon, shouldn't you tell me with whom and what you will share?

◇Bae Seung-hee: Mayor Oh Se-hoon said he shared it with Mayor Oh Se-hoon, but who the hell is it?

◆Kim Byung-min: Yes, I need to check. And there are times when fake news flows without filtration due to the ecotang incident in the past, and then after time passes, didn't we definitely experience such malicious experiences during the election? Not long ago, there was a report that Myung Tae-kyun accompanied him when he was going to film a program called the Maebul Show for filming YouTube during the by-election. I checked it, and there's no difference between Myung Taekyun. Then, when I asked who they were looking at, a person who seemed to have a similar impression with Myung Tae-kyun was performing at the scene.

◇ Bae Seung-hee: Really?

◆Kim Byung-min: That's why Oh Se-hoon said he wore white pants and Peregamo shoes when he went to Naegok-dong in the past. Oh Se-hoon said it was Oh Se-hoon, but after a while, didn't you run throughout the election because there was no problem with the famous ecological soup incident? Recently, Mayor Oh Se-hoon's attention has been quite high, and the prosecution is investigating this case, so the jade of truth will be clearly obscured. However, there are a lot of characters surrounding Myung Taekyun. I hope the prosecution will quickly reveal the truth through an investigation because the truth of the important case of Myung Tae-kyun is splashing out in a wrong way, not the truth.

◇ Bae Seung-hee: That's why I think the presidential candidate will exceed 50% last time he came out. We're going to the presidential election.
◆Kim Byung-min: 51%

◇ Bae Seung-hee: You said 51% but now that I'm doing this, a lot of attacks are already coming in. I think you're saying this, but why did this person give money and ask Myung Tae-kyun to do a poll when he said his relationship with Kim is not so good?

◆Kim Byung-min: Looking at the interviews that came out yesterday, he formed a relationship by talking about the trend with Myung Tae-kyun there, and he had his own judgment that this could be helpful to Mayor Oh Se-hoon at the request of Myung Tae-kyun. But the important thing is that after that, Myung Tae-kyun personally gave me money such as asking me to add to my living expenses. Then, isn't it now up to the prosecution to determine how there was a relationship between the two? I don't know what happened between the two of them, and I think we can't prove those situations. More importantly, people say that the case of Myung Tae-kyun and Kim, who were known as sponsors, did not mean that they met during the election and ended the relationship. Then, I think it's now up to the prosecution to find out clearly what happened in there.

◇ Bae Seung-hee: Anyway, if Mayor Oh Se-hoon knew that Kim paid for the poll, I think it would be a problem whether he violated the Political Fund Act. And don't the opposition parties say they're going to file a complaint today? How do you respond?

◆ Kim Byung-min: Coincidentally, today is the sentencing day for the leader of the opposition party. I said there was no problem due to the violation of the Public Official Election Act last time, but I was sentenced to a very heavy sentence, which surprised the Republic of Korea. I also think it's very coincidental in the timing. In any case, if the prosecution is decided soon after the arrest of Myung Tae-kyun as mentioned earlier, it will be confirmed whether there is a problem or not based on the contents of the indictment depending on whether the prosecution is made. However, some political messages about this will continue to be related to the party or the party, and I think it can be moved on to political action rather than objective truth-finding. I'm sure that the facts as they are will be revealed.

◇ Bae Seung-hee: Okay. Thank you for Mayor Oh Se-hoon's position. This time, let's talk about the first trial sentence of the Lee Jae-myung's perjury teacher case. Sentencing was held at 2 o'clock today. How do you predict punishment, including guilt or innocence?

◆Kim Byung-min: Yes, because I'm a public servant

◇ Bae Seung-hee: But he's always a critic, so

◆ Kim Byung-min: No. As a person of the people, the perjury teacher case has stories told by the judge at the time even in the process of reviewing the warrant. So I don't think many people think that this perjury teacher case will just pass as if there is nothing. And this perjury teacher is a matter that can shake the Korean judicial system in a way. If the judiciary judges that this is not a problem when many people are watching all of these things, it is not a problem. In the course of the court's trial in the future, it is believed that there is no way to avoid such perjury, perjury, and judicial confusion that occurs when perjury teachers and perjury teachers arise from very influential politicians, so I think it will not be much different from the results expected so far.

◇ Bae Seung-hee: You're very considerate of your words. In Seoul. Aren't outdoor rallies held every week these days and outdoor rallies not held on weekdays? In fact, many citizens feel uncomfortable even though they say they can't help it because it's a reporting system now. How is there no way to be so uncomfortable in Seoul?

◆ Kim Byung-min: The inconvenience of citizens is increasing. And we have a lot of meaningful and good events in Gwanghwamun Square and Seoul Square on the weekend. In the past, even Gwanghwamun Square has been given away as the target of such protest rallies, but such complex protests are not currently held in Gwanghwamun Square, but as the protests intensified by blocking roads nearby, the damage to citizens continues. Seoul is a very hot city these days, so many foreigners come. Gwanghwamun Square is so cool on the weekend, so I came to enjoy the square in front of the city hall, and seeing these tremendous rallies makes me think about their impressions of Korea and Seoul. There are many ways to convincingly convey the voices you want to speak to the people. However, even if civic groups and citizens cannot do anything to express their voices of injustice, there are concerns about how responsible politicians in the Republic of Korea should do this. Moreover, one of the things you just mentioned is that the opposition parties are now continuing to protest in the neighborhood in front of the city hall.

◇ Bae Seung-hee: Aren't ordinary citizens unable to live? Citizens who have to take the bus. Citizens who have to take the subway.

◆Kim Byung-min: Not to mention traffic jams. However, there were often cases where people came out to the streets and spoke out when they could not solve it within the system, but in the case of the main opposition party, isn't it a party that has an overwhelming seat in the National Assembly? Even though there are problems within the system that can be solved, it is up to the people to decide how many people will agree to the rallies that are taking to the streets and adding to the inconvenience of citizens.

◇ Bae Seung-hee: Speaking of protests. In response to the protests at Dongduk Women's University, Han Dong-hoon argued that the leaders of the violence should be responsible. Opposition parties criticized the opposition for beating women to avoid the party bulletin board incident. What do you think of this situation at Dongduk Women's University?

◆Kim Byung-min: I think we need to look at the nature of the problem. This essence can be used in a variety of ways to justify and rationalize the various arguments they can make, and I don't think there's anything to say about the recent Rakachil protests that we saw on the news, which are violent acts that damage school properties and destroy communities. When we were in college, I was the president of the student council at the university, and to raise a problem, we sometimes occupy the front of the president's office of the main building and put up a handwritten poster. Isn't it possible to raise your hand at any time?

◇ Bae Seung-hee: Also, we shouldn't infringe on students' right to education.

◆Kim Byung-min: Of course. Likewise, as soon as it leads to violent protests, it loses its legitimacy. No one is responsible for the rock-kachill protests while casually producing billions of damage. So who on earth can be responsible for these situations repeating themselves again? So, during the recent municipal questioning process, a city council member called me as he answered, and I wonder if the Seoul Metropolitan Government is supporting me for such enormous damage.

◇ Bae Seung-hee: I was really curious about this. Can the Seoul Metropolitan Government support recovery from this?

◆Kim Byung-min: That's why there are rumors about things that are not confirmed. So my answer is that I don't think any form of violence is acceptable or justifiable in South Korea, so wouldn't it be unimaginable to support a budget that would justify such violence? Currently, there has been no such request for support from the Seoul Metropolitan Government, but even if it comes in, it will never happen. I think showing how I can take clear responsibility for my actions on this related issue is the way to establish my own protest rallies and a culture of speaking out in modern Korean society.

◇ Bae Seung-hee: So the Seoul Metropolitan Government cannot support damage recovery from the Dongduk Women's University protests. We can conclude.

◆Kim Byung-min: I haven't received any requests, but I don't think I can and shouldn't apply even if I get a request.

◇ Bae Seung-hee: Okay. This time. Mayor Oh Se-hoon said, "Mayor Oh Se-hoon doesn't do sandwiches with corporate cards, right? You don't even use that official car privately?

◆Kim Byung-min: The world is very transparent these days.

◇ Bae Seung-hee: However, when Lee Jae-myung was governor of Gyeonggi-do Province, he was charged with using 106 million won on charges of misappropriating corporate cards. What do you think if you give us your opinion?

◆ Kim Byung-min: Yes, the same goes for this. If there are many problems that happened in Lee Jae-myung's past days, I will just say sorry to the people and take responsibility for anything legally. It looks like it's going to be sorted out now, but a lot of things have been dragging this problem for quite a long time. Chairman Lee Jae-myung is the leader of the main opposition party, ran as a candidate in the last presidential election, and he is still considered a strong candidate for the next presidential election. If Korea spreads to the public, it will shake the atmosphere of the public office. There are quite a few people who say how this is possible when they see public officials in the field. Now that it's up to the court, I think the judiciary will make an appropriate judgment.

◇ Bae Seung-hee: Representative Lee Jae-myung should revise the Public Official Election Act after the first trial ruling of the Public Official Election Act. When I made this argument, Mayor Oh Se-hoon criticized it very strongly. Let's hear some criticism.

◆Kim Byung-min: Seoul Mayor Oh Se-hoon is also a lawyer. I used to be a lawyer. And one of the most well-known narratives about Seoul Mayor Oh Se-hoon is the 2004 Oh Se-hoon Act, which is why he is called a symbol of political reform. Not long ago, Lee Jae-myung was sentenced to heavy punishment for violating the Public Official Election Act, but he has strong power as the leader of the main opposition party, so can't he handle the bill as much as he wants? But when I said I would just change the law here, I wrote on social media that this is my structure at the level of reinvention beyond the destruction of the rule of law. Some people say that it's a bit hardline, but I think he decided that he should send a stronger message and voice on situations that he believes are the destruction of the rule of law as Seoul Mayor Oh Se-hoon has a position as Seoul mayor and a senior member of the ruling party.

◇ Bae Seung-hee: And he told me to quit politics and repent.

◆Kim Byung-min: I know he wrote on social media that he is not qualified for politics.

◇ Bae Seung-hee: Isn't it possible to hit Lee Jae-myung with the possibility of being a 51% presidential candidate?

◆Kim Byung-min: We still haven't talked clearly about the presidential election. However, as there are clearly expectations that the people are looking at, they are not drawing a clear line on this, but would the people in modern society accept that they will attack someone and become the next runner with Vito's public opinion? He has to give his vision and hope to the people about something himself, so I think the most important point is what alternative he can give to the people, rather than thinking that the opposition party is focusing on hitting the government or the president.

◇ Bae Seung-hee: I think the possibility will go up 52% and 53%. I think we need to listen to the help me quickly. Please talk about Help Me briefly.

◆Kim Byung-min: This is the portable safety bell launched by Seoul Metropolitan Government. When the first application was made in August, all 20,000 units were closed early in 100 minutes. The reason for this is that if you visit the Seoul Metropolitan Government website at 9 o'clock today, we will prepare a portable safety bell help me and you can apply for 20,000 online applications today, but I think there will be an early sell-out procession as soon as it starts again. There are many people who are worried about various crimes these days, and I would like you to apply for a portable safety bell help me to protect the safety of citizens prepared by the Seoul Metropolitan Government.

◇ Bae Seung-hee: Okay. This has been Kim Byung-min, deputy mayor for political affairs in Seoul. Thank you.

◆Kim Byung-min: Thank you.