[A head-to-head match] 尹 will meet Han Dong-hoon next Monday.Choi Jin-nyeong, "There will be an alternative to Mrs. Kim's apple."

Choi Jin-nyeong
- The Democratic Party must take political responsibility. Mrs. Kim is not substantially related to the manipulation of stock prices

- The interview between 尹 Korea and South Korea will be quite fruitful. It is difficult to ignore public criticism from the 尹 Party
- The establishment of a second annex and the introduction of a special inspector system will be clearly agreed upon

Bae Jong-ho
- Mrs. Kim is not guilty, the prosecution is once again written in the dark history of the prosecution. To be judged at the hands of the people
- 尹 Korea-South Korea monopoly, unconditionally fighting each other and breaking up. . It will be difficult to accept the 'three demands'
- Second annex and special inspector alone are not enough. I missed the timing of public sentiment


◆ [YTN Radio SHINYUL's news]
■ Broadcasting: FM 94.5 (17:00-19:00)
■ Air date: October 18, 2024 (Friday)
■ Proceedings: Shin Yul, Professor of Political Science and Diplomacy at Myongji University
■ Dialogue: Professor Bae Jong-ho of Se University, lawyer Choi Jin-nyeong

◆ Shin Yul: Shin Yul's news head-to-head competition part 2 begins. Following the first part, we'll continue with the second part of this week's match. Professor Bae Jong-ho of Sehan University and Choi Jin-nyeong are here with us.

● Choi Jin-nyeong: I couldn't give you an answer. As you said earlier, the Democratic Party is impeaching the prosecutor general and the chief of the Seoul Central District Prosecutors' Office. In conclusion, I have to impeach the Democratic Party. Why? When does it say you're going to be impeached? In the impeachment decision against former President Park Geun Hye, the Constitutional Court says it will impeach him and remove him from office when there is a serious violation of the Constitution and laws. In the case of the Democratic Party of Korea, the prosecutor general and the head of the Seoul Central District Prosecutors' Office said they would decide to impeach the prosecutor general and the head of the Seoul Central District Prosecutors' Office, but the Democratic Party of Korea really wants to see the impeachment decision. In what way did the prosecutor general and the head of the Seoul Central District Prosecutors' Office violate the Constitution and the law? In this case, the Democratic Party of Korea took issue with the issue during the Moon Jae In administration and began an investigation, and after much internal review, Lee Sung-yoon, a current lawmaker of the Democratic Party of Korea, reported to the head of the Seoul District Prosecutors' Office, but he did not stamp it. Rather, shouldn't we impeach the prosecutor general at the time when some practical investigative prosecutors asked us to get approval because there were no charges as a result of carefully deviating from the investigation, but refused to approve it? Otherwise, I also blame the prosecution for not making a timely decision after paying attention to whether it was President Moon Jae In or President Yoon Suk Yeol that the prosecution had delayed and delayed until now. But what distortion did you have about the substantive truth of the case? What kind of torture did you torture Deutsche Motors CEO? In the end, the 4th deputy chief of the Seoul Central District Prosecutors' Office announced yesterday that Kwon Oh-soo, the head of Deutsche Motors, or Kim, Lee, and those who were guilty of aiding and abetting in the second trial agreed to make statements that there was no real connection to any manipulation of Kim Gun-hee's stock prices. What did the prosecution hit in the process? Did you squeeze it? It's not like that either. But why do you impeach him? I believe that dismissing impeachment for political purposes, even though we know it will be dismissed, must take political responsibility when the Constitutional Court is rejected.

◆ Shin Yul: Please answer first and tell me the loser.

◇ Bae Jong-ho: You have to check the facts before you answer. We need to impeach the Democratic Party earlier. That's what I claimed. He did it himself and then insisted that the Moon Jae In government be held responsible for the prosecution. So our lawyer Choi agreed to what the prosecution did wrong, right?

● Choi Jin-nyeong: What I did wrong is not about substance, but about procedures.

◇ Bae Jong-ho: No, so he said he has a question about the prosecution that has exonerated Kim Gun-hee. You're criticizing the prosecution for exonerating Kim Gun-hee, right?

● Choi Jin-nyeong: Now we're talking about what we've done. That's right. Anyone should do it.

◇ Bae Jong-ho: I'm organizing because the logic of what I'm talking about now is back and forth. I agree with the prosecution that acquitted Kim Gun-hee. Whether it's the prosecution of the Moon Jae In regime or the prosecution of the Yoon Suk Yeol regime, it's all wrong. I said I should impeach the Democratic Party for the second time after organizing this, but legal professionals shouldn't say this. I will refrain from expressing very explicitly, but as you know, what is the system of impeachment? The National Assembly impeaches high-ranking government officials such as presidential judges. So in a word, it's impeaching the administration. But how can Congress impeach a political party? So, we shouldn't do this kind of logic, but when we come back, who can agree to the indulgence of Kim Gun-hee? There's no problem getting a luxury bag. And specifically, the account was used for the crime in relation to the allegations related to the manipulation of Deutsche Motors stock prices. And I saw about 2.3 billion won in profits. But Kim Gun-hee didn't know. And Deutsche Motors Chairman Kwon Oh-soo didn't even tell you? have no direct evidence Who would agree with such a prosecution? So, the Democratic Party of Korea is saying that the prosecution is Kim Gun-hee's dog. And it is the date of the death of the rule of law in Korea. Personally, the prosecution's dark history has been written once again. Such prosecutors are bound to be judged at the hands of the people in the future. I am sure of this.

◆ Sin Yul: The loser.

◇ Bae Jong-ho: The loser. So the loser is the prosecution.

◆ Sin-ryul: That's how it connects. So the loser is the prosecution. Anyway, in the current situation, no matter what the prosecution's evidence is, the general public has no choice but to look at the prosecution a little suspiciously. Of course, I think the logic of the law is important, but the area of perception is also very important in politics, so we don't know what evidence there is in this area because we're not investigators, but isn't it possible to talk about various things in the area of perception?

◇ Bae Jong-ho: If I add a short word, I have to be judged by the law as you said, but I can't be judged by the law. What does that mean? The prosecution has the exclusive right to prosecute, so if the prosecution doesn't prosecute, the judiciary can't judge it at all. I mean, this is a serious problem right now. Therefore, the prosecution, which is now talked about by the Democratic Party of Korea and the Cho Kuk Innovation Party, should be dismantled separately by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. The investigation office makes sense to me. So I'll give the public a lot of support to the prosecution reform or the dismantling of the prosecution. So the prosecution will have to have a very difficult time. That's what I think.

● Choi Jin-nyeong: I'd like to say that it's not a law anymore, it's a case that's become politics. In fact, we should have investigated the prosecution in a timely and prompt manner and decided whether or not. But this case is not a big deal, but it took four years. I'm criticizing it now. In fact, when he was recommended and appointed as the prosecutor general now, he was the president of Moon Jae In, so the opposition party at the time raised the issue regarding the Deutsche Motors case. At that time, the Democratic Party members went into a coalition and said there was no problem. And after the change of government, even before the change of government, in the end, we investigated the Deutsche Motors case in a way. But the investigative prosecutors at the Seoul Central District Prosecutors' Office had completed the final report. So I went to the prosecutor general and asked him to stamp it, but at that time, Lee Sung-yoon, the chief of the Seoul District Prosecutors' Office, refused to stamp it. So in the process of being pushed and pushed back, Prosecutor General Yoon Suk Yeol became a presidential candidate and eventually won the presidency. At the same time, I blame the prosecution for not being able to make a decision in a short time, but I don't think there is any question about the prosecution's ability to investigate. In the end, I don't know if I had done any special prosecution on Kim Gun-hee before the prosecution decided on that part, but the decision was already made. If so, what kind of criticism should the Democratic Party criticize legally about which part was wrong? We had a press briefing at the Central District Prosecutors' Office for four hours, and all the media, regardless of whether it was right or wrong, came and asked very deep questions. No matter what the conclusion is that the prosecution is impeaching the prosecutor general and the chief of the Seoul Central District Prosecutors' Office, saying that the prosecution's investigation results are wrong, the conclusion is that the independent counsel on Kim Gun-hee has already been concluded, so I would like to ask the Democratic Party of Korea and the Democratic Party of Korea's legal committee to review whether the investigation results are correct before talking about it.

◇ Bae Jong-ho: Then who made the conclusion? Hasn't the prosecution already concluded the investigation? I was cleared of any charges, so I actually cleared myself of any charges. What do you mean Democratic conclusion? The Democratic Party is saying it will hold the prosecution accountable. So that doesn't make sense, and as you said, it took four and a half years for Kim Gun-hee to be cleared of the final prosecution. Then I'll sort it out. Two and a half years in the presidency of Yoon Suk Yeol. Then I went to Moon Jae In for two years. Then which regime did you spend more time in? Who was the prosecutor general in the second two years of the Moon Jae In administration? Aren't you the Attorney General of Yoon Suk Yeol? Who told you about it? Then, that doesn't make sense, and the next important thing is the prosecution's excellent investigation ability. How do you excel? You make nothing sinful, and I think you're very good. Then, as I said earlier, there are three things to be guilty of stock price manipulation or aiding and abetting. First, was there a doctor? Second, whether there was an act in the crime, and third, whether there was a result or not, and you don't know whether there was a doctor or not. The prosecution. Then there was an act of whether there was a second act. Mrs. Kim Gun-hee's three accounts were used by accomplices. There was also a result of stock price manipulation. As a result, I earned 2.3 billion won. Nevertheless, he did not acquit himself by saying there was no direct evidence. Then, the innocent prosecutor general should be impeached. Ask all the people on the street. Should we impeach such a prosecutor general? Should I not do it? Of course, I think we should impeach him, and I think we should impeach him.

● Choi Jin-nyeong: I'll talk about this briefly for practical purposes.

◆ Shin Yul: Let's keep it short and let's say the loser.

● Choi Jin-nyeong: Because if I lend you an account when I do voice phishing, will I be arrested for aiding and abetting voice phishing fraud? No. That's not true. It's true that I've benefited. However, I'm telling you that you have to look at those parts individually to see if you really know about it and lent it, and I don't intend to defend the prosecution. As I said, I would like to tell you that the prosecution raises the blade of criticism of the prosecution when it comes to looking at the government and how to do it, the presidential election, and the general election. My loser, I think I won, but it's ironic because I lost. I think the Glorious people are the winners, but they are the losers. In fact, Democratic Party Chairman Lee Jae-myung has gone down to Yeonggwang several times and said he would give 1 million won if we elected our Yeonggwang County Democratic Party, but I'll see if he gives 1 million won starting next month. CEO Lee Jae-myung really promised. So, the leader of the Democratic Party of Korea, Cho Kuk, said he would receive 1.2 million won, but he said he would give 1.2 million won, but I think I've chosen the Democratic Party candidate. Now that the Democratic Party's candidate is the county governor, shouldn't Lee Jae-myung really be responsible for the basic income if he is paid 1 million won per month as a representative example of basic income?

◇ Bae Jong-ho: If the promise of 1 million won is kept, we will be the winner. I don't understand the logic of why they say it should be abolished on the premise that it will not be kept in advance. And then if it's actually paid, I'll change it to a winner.

● Choi Jin-nyeong: I want to see if it continues to be paid sustainably.

◇ Bae Jong-ho: Wait, so change it to a winner later, but I think it's 1 million won, so CEO Lee Jae-myung also made his pledge on this. But as you said, I don't think it's going to be easy to keep. Of course, there is a voter's judgment as to what will happen if you fail to keep it. In fact, the mayor of Mokpo made a pledge on elderly benefits. I said I'd give it to you, but I didn't give it to you. So I failed the election next time. So, as I said, I'm very likely to keep it. And if you can't keep it, you'll be judged.

◆ Sin-ryul: I'm going to cut in a little bit in case this could be misleading. I agree with you that it is difficult to say that Yeonggwang residents paid 1 million won. That's right. The reason I'm doing this is that the Democratic candidate won 41.08 percent of the vote in Glory. The progressive candidate received 30.72%. The candidate of the Cho Kuk Innovation Party received 26.56%. Then, in the end, the combined vote share of the Progressive Party and the Cho Kuk Innovation Party becomes 57.26%. Then, the Democratic candidate got 41.08% of the vote, but to put it simply, Yeonggwang residents voted for the Cho Kuk Innovation Party or the Progressive Party much more than for the Democratic Party. That's why we can't talk about it in detail like the Democratic Party. Another thing I'm telling you is that if the turnout is about 30%, there's a possibility that the organizational power will be the winner. But it's over 70% here. If the turnout is this high, public sentiment will water down the organizing power of the party. This is the result of public sentiment moving no matter what the Democratic Party of Korea says. I want to tell you that we can accept it like this.

● Choi Jin-nyeong: I agree with what the professor said. That's why I'm saying that I'm a winner and a loser in this part. However, in a very serious way, the issue was actually 1 million won a month, especially 1 million won a year because the Yeonggwang Nuclear Power Plant is located. As I said earlier, the Cho Kuk Innovation Party received it and said, "If the Democratic Party and the Cho Kuk Innovation Party win 41 percent and 26 percent of the vote, 67-8% of the total will be supported by the basic income of the Democratic Party and the Cho Kuk Party." It is also true that there was a pledge to support the basic income of the Democratic Party and the Cho Kuk Party in a way. That's why I don't think I'm too focused on it. My focus is that the Democratic Party of Korea made such a promise, so all people are very interested in that part to see if the 1 million won of this honor is actually paid as an experiment subject. I'll see if Lee Jae-myung's Democratic Party, including Chairman Lee Jae-myung, can put this into practice.

◇ Bae Jong-ho: No, so it's good to watch, but why is it so sophisticated to be a loser when the results haven't come out?

◆ Shin Yul: Okay. What was it earlier? You said the two of you are the same, right? That's right. It's a private meeting between President Yoon Suk Yeol and Representative Han Dong-hoon, did you say it's 4:30? At 4:30 p.m., we will have a private meeting on Monday afternoon of the 21st in Yongsan's presidential office, what do you think the result will be?

◇ Bae Jong-ho: The result is that we will fight each other and break up. Isn't the reason why we're asking for three things right now? One is the presidential office's personnel reform. What is this talk about is that Kim Gun-hee's line is now in the market, and there are seven new people in the line of Kim Gun-hee. To put it mildly, seven new recruits. But CEO Han Dong-hoon is telling us to organize all these parts. Second, it means to stop external activities. And the third is to explain the suspicions honestly and follow the necessary procedures for identifying the suspicions now. But in my view, personnel reform is also very difficult, but I think this is possible. If you have the will. And secondly, I think I'll accept the suspension of outside activities. However, it is very difficult to accept this request for active cooperation in the necessary procedures for identifying the third suspicion. It's impossible. Because in my view, it is the first investigation to see what the necessary procedures are for identifying suspicions. And the second is the special prosecutor. Let's see. For example, Myung Tae-kyun manipulated the investigation and sent the president of Yoon Suk Yeol. Or there are suspicions that he intervened in the nomination. Will President Yoon Suk Yeol be able to accept this? So, I think it is very likely that the two of you will eventually be separated by only checking the differences between each other.

● Choi Jin-nyeong: It's very likely that it will be a very fruitful meeting, coming out hand in hand. That's how I see it. The reason is that if the people's power was defeated in the election for reinforcement in Geumjeong-gu, Busan, or the constituency over there in Incheon, there was no choice but to question whether this solo meeting would have been made. However, the Seoul Superintendent of Education is aside, in a way, the garden has been protected, right? In particular, although Busan's public sentiment was said to be ferocious, in a 60% word, the party actually led the victory of Mayor Geumjeong-gu with a higher approval rating than in the last general election. Even so, there were still quite a few critical views of the president of Yoon Suk Yeol in the overall flow of public opinion, but in a way, conservative supporters of the people's power see the graph as upwardly oriented, and I personally think it is virtually difficult to ignore this even in the case of Yongsan, the president of Yoon Suk Yeol. And the people will be very interested in this. Yesterday's briefing on Kim Gun-hee's decision to the Seoul Central District Prosecutors' Office is much more politically important than that, and using this as a momentum, it has to be a major gauge of what kind of approval rating of President Yoon and the people's power goes up or down. But there, they blush and just go their own way. That means they have no choice but to go on the path of collapse like a ball toy network. If so, some agreement will inevitably come out in a certain area. And if I predict a certain amount of agreement, the introduction of the special inspector system for the establishment of the second annex will inevitably come out as an agreement, and it is highly likely that Kim Gun-hee's apology will come out as an alternative. If so, I think there is a high possibility that representative Han Dong-hoon will also say no to the special prosecution related to Kim Gun-hee. Because while talking about the special prosecutor this time, the Democratic Party added something related to Myung Tae-kyun. In some cases, the seizure and search of the company for the power of the people is something that we have no choice but to keep in mind. If so, there may be some political gestures at this level of apology to First Lady Kim Gun-hee, but I think there is a high possibility that an agreement will be reached on the special prosecutor's part.

◆ Shin Yul: Okay. 45 seconds of talking.

◇ Bae Jong-ho: First of all, the results have to come out. I think we'll have to wait and see. It is not enough to apologize to First Lady Kim Gun-hee and refrain from activities. Isn't CEO Han Dong-hoon's saying that he has already missed the timing of the public sentiment? That's why it's effectively premised on prosecution. So I think it's a little uncertain right now what kind of results you'll get.

◆ Shin Yul: The two of you can do tiki-taka with this next week. Let's stop listening to what you said today. Thank you. So far, we have been with Professor Bae Jong-ho of Sehan University and two lawyers, Choi Jin-nyeong.