Tomorrow, President Yoon and Han Dong-hoon will meet...The 3rd week of the National Assembly inspection.

■ Host: Anchor Jeong Jin-hyung
■ Starring: Lee Jong-geun, current affairs critic, Professor Bae Jong-ho of Se University

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[Anchor]
President Yoon Suk Yeol and Han Dong-hoon, representative of the People's Power, are scheduled to meet tomorrow. The meeting, which eliminated the agenda as well as the time limit, is drawing keen attention from both inside and outside the politics as to what kind of results will be produced. On the other hand, the first parliamentary audit of the 22nd National Assembly will begin in the second half. Suspicions related to Kim Gun-hee and representative Lee Jae-myung's judicial risk are still at the center of the battle. Let's summarize the news from the political circle with two people. Lee Jong-geun, a current affairs critic, and Bae Jong-ho, a professor at Seha University, are here. Please come in. President Yoon Suk Yeol and Han Dong-hoon, the leader of the ruling party, will meet after twists and turns. However, the president's office is using a meeting and representative Han Dong-hoon is using a private meeting as the format of this meeting. What do you think is the reason for this type of tug-of-war?

[Bae Jong Ho]
First of all, the overall content and results of the meeting vary depending on the format of the meeting, so I think they are in a tug-of-war. In the case of representative Han Dong-hoon, so I asked for a one-on-one meeting with the president. However, President Yoon Suk Yeol said it was not a solo meeting, and he had Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok present. The first reason why chief of staff Jeong Jin-seok was present is that there is a clear relationship between the top and bottom. In the past, CEO Han Dong-hoon visited the country for decades. And even now, it seems like a meeting in the form of making it clear that the president and the leader of the ruling party are not at the same level because President Yoon Suk Yeol still considers the party-government relationship as a vertical top-down relationship. Second, if Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok is present, it will be a 2:1 meeting. So, I think it will have the effect of responding to President Yoon Suk Yeol's argument and applying the brake when representative Han Dong-hoon exceeds the level. Finally, if there is no one present, if there is a 1:1 private meeting, CEO Han Dong-hoon can play the media with the contents of the meeting later. However, if there is an attendee, you can't play the media about it carelessly. That's why I think it's an interview, not a solitary meeting, and I think chief of staff Jeong Jin-seok was present. However, the problem is not from the perspective of representative Han Dong-hoon, the current leader of the ruling party and the president are on equal terms. It is not a vertical up-and-down relationship, but a horizontal relationship. So the president is the head of the administration, and I'm the leader of the ruling party, so I'm in a position to say everything I can, so it remains to be seen what the results will be, whether the two will come to a good conclusion, whether it will be an empty-handed meeting, or whether it will end with a blush.

[Anchor]
He also explained the background of the decision of Han Dong-hoon's proposal for a three-way meeting, and there will also be an impact of agenda coordination. They said this, too. However, there are not a few agendas for the two sides to discuss at the moment. The presidential office has no set agenda and no time limit, but I don't think this will end in a short period of time.

[Lee Jong-geun]
I don't know. But even though it was reported on YTN today, I think the president's office said this quite a bit. I think there was a lot of consideration. So I'll answer what I have to answer, and I'll listen to what I have to hear. I think I just expressed it like this. That's why the anchor said there are a lot of agendas, but aside from these two agendas, there are a lot of areas where we can approach opinions. So, I think the first of the two is the issue related to Mrs. Kim Gun-hee and then the issue related to medical reform. Even if representative Han Dong-hoon does not say anything about these two things, I think the president's office already knows and President Yoon knows to some extent. I think the reason why these two keep talking about interviews or meetings is because they actually know each other so well. Because I've known it well since 20 years ago. From President Yoon's point of view, CEO Han Dong-hoon has always scolded him before that. You are too principled. But in fact, CEO Han Dong-hoon said, "That's not the principle," and even though we haven't had such a disagreement since we were prosecutors, we've always had such quarrels. Because if there is a principle, CEO Han Dong-hoon, for example, had a relationship with Prosecutor General Jeong Sang-myung, who was close to President Roh Moo Hyun when he went to Busan, but he arrested Jeon Gun-pyo, the head of the National Tax Service, two years after he became a prosecutor. But Prosecutor General Jung Sang-myung stopped him. It's only 70 million won, and the bribe told me to investigate slowly, but I'm just pushing. So at that time, the Yoon Suk Yeol prosecutor was a senior prosecutor, but you told me to investigate like an independent soldier. I mean, it's principled anyway, and I know what to talk about. I think they'll say something straightforward about Kim Gun-hee, and conversely, from the perspective of representative Han Dong-hoon, we know what kind of style President Yoon Suk Yeol is, so we know how to protect it and explain it, so we're fighting each other like, "Is it an interview or a private meeting?"

[Anchor]
But in fact, hasn't Han Dong-hoon already publicly proposed three major demands, including personnel reform in the presidential office, on the agenda related to Kim Gun-hee? Please give me a graphic. Representative Han's request, the first is to suspend the presidential office's personnel reform, and the third is to cooperate in resolving suspicions. If this is discussed, can President Yoon accept these things?

[Lee Jong-geun]
I think President Yoon is a little different from before now. Because where did CEO Han Dong-hoon claim those three things? during the campaign I went down to Geumjeong-gu, Busan, and during the campaign in Geumjeong-gu, I kept raising it for a few days gradually to the first, second, and third levels. But what was the result? I got 60 percent of the support. So how dare you attack the president's wife so directly, according to the claims of the pro-Yoon? If voters in Geumjeong-gu, Busan, accepted the pro-Yoon argument, they would lose. However, representative Han Dong-hoon raised his voice very much, and the result of that came out to more than 60% of support, so the president cannot ignore the result. That's why I accepted the meeting tomorrow anyway, and I think the answer should come out regardless of the direction.

[Anchor]
The president's office has accepted the meeting and it will take place tomorrow. If so, some observers say that they are considering an apology from First Lady Kim Gun-hee. So to what extent will President Yoon Suk Yeol accept it, this is the key, what do you think?

[Bae Jong Ho]
First of all, the conclusion that President Yoon Suk Yeol thinks. And I think there must be a difference in the conclusion that CEO Han Dong-hoon thinks. CEO Han Dong-hoon has publicly requested three things, as you said earlier. The first is personnel reform of the presidential office, and the second is refraining from and suspending public activities of First Lady Kim Gun-hee. And the third is the cooperation of procedures necessary to find out the suspicions of First Lady Kim Gun-hee, which are all related to First Lady Kim Gun-hee. First of all, regarding the personnel reform of the presidential office, what this means in the end is to organize the first lady Kim Gun-hee's line. Then it's hard for President Yoon Suk Yeol to receive this because of two things. One is that this is the president's right to appoint personnel, but why is the leader of the ruling party talking about it? And if this is accepted, it is difficult to accept because it admits that Kim Gun-hee's secret line is now in the presidential office. And the third, in relation to the third, to cooperate in the necessary procedures to identify suspicions, in fact, was referring to the special prosecutor. But it's hard to accept this. And refrain from public activities, stop, this part is acceptable. So I think this is what President Yoon Suk Yeol is thinking right now. First, we should unite because we shouldn't fight each other. Only then can the regime be re-created. And I think I'll say that I can vigorously push for the four reforms. Secondly, I am well aware of various public concerns about Mrs. Kim Gun-hee. So I will make my position on this at the right time. And thirdly, I think it will be this much that I will refrain from public activities related to Mrs. Kim Gun-hee and then set up a second annex. But right now, CEO Han Dong-hoon is asking for the public's eye level. However, according to the public's opinion poll, more than 60% of the public approve of the Special Prosecutor's Law for Kim Gun-hee. Will CEO Han Dong-hoon be able to accept this in such a situation? So, if there is no conclusion tomorrow, it will be quite difficult for President Yoon Suk Yeol, but it is not easy for us to predict the outcome of the meeting tomorrow because it is difficult whether President Yoon Suk Yeol can come up with the conclusion demanded by Representative Han Dong-hoon.

[Anchor]
In fact, I think the reason why we gather here to anticipate and predict their meeting is because they have high expectations for their meeting. However, there are also voices of criticism against CEO Han Dong-hoon. Chungcheongnam-do Governor Kim Tae-heum issued a statement today. Please give me a graphic. That's how I put it. It is a position to this effect that restoring trust with the president is the first priority, but if you look at it like this, it also includes a rather strong level of criticism. But why are you complaining about CEO Han and this kind of voice coming out from within now?

[Lee Jong-geun]
First of all, I think representative Han Dong-hoon showed his ability to some extent this time, unlike the last general election. The representative reason for Geumjeong-gu is that even though the representatives of the two political parties, Lee Jae-myung, plus the representative of the Cho Kuk Innovation Party, joined forces to target Busan, it is quite difficult, including the issue of unification, but as a result, they won such a 60:30 vote. That's why Han Dong-hoon, the representative of the party, will be motivated to produce a substantial number of results in his meeting or meeting with the president tomorrow based on that, and he needs to control that to some extent, even the day before that. So, I think it's a strategy to soften the momentum of CEO Han Dong-hoon, even Governor Kim Tae-heum, who was not included in the pro-yoon or pro-yoon.

[Anchor]
In fact, as president of Yoon Suk Yeol, didn't he declare that he will continue to carry out the four reform tasks without wavering, as well as medical reform? If so, President Yoon Suk Yeol will need representative Han Dong-hoon, and if so, President Yoon Suk Yeol must accept representative Han Dong-hoon's request to some extent, so that the party-government relationship can change. So what do you think is the best scenario?

[Bae Jong Ho]
The best-case scenario is that the two people talk openly about their chests, so they first restore the broken trust relationship and accept the public's level of view, but it is the problem of Kim Gun-hee, who continues to talk. The opposition's impeachment offensive cannot be overcome without resolving this issue. So, if you summarize it, you have to go through the judicial process and go head-on. But can the president of Yoon Suk Yeol accept this? From the perspective of President Yoon Suk Yeol, the prosecution has already cleared all charges. The fact that he received a luxury bag is not prosecuted. Also, Deutsche Motors is not guilty of the alleged manipulation of stock prices. But would you accept the independent counsel? Moreover, to be precise, the issue of First Lady Kim Gun-hee is not a matter that will be made by President Yoon Suk Yeol's decision. Rather, it's a matter for Mrs. Kim Gun-hee to decide. Because, looking at the relationship between First Lady Kim Gun-hee and President Yoon Suk Yeol, I don't know who is the boss and boss. There's always this saying. If the president of Yoon Suk Yeol is V1, V0 is Kim Gun-hee. And in fact, don't say that when senior prosecutors say, "How do you solve the problem of First Lady Kim Gun-hee, President Yoon Suk Yeol?" I told my wife I wasn't in a position to tell her that. Then, in fact, the results of tomorrow's meeting are expected to be very bad. Then what kind of problem will happen, and the phenomenon of public sentiment will become more serious even among conservatives. Isn't it a situation where the approval rating for President Yoon Suk Yeol has continued to break its lowest level since its launch? In addition, there was a recent poll asking if you agree with impeachment, and more than 60% came out. Tomorrow, too, we'll have an empty-handed meeting. The two ended in a bad shape. Then the crisis will escalate further. However, the problem is that it is difficult to accept the issue of First Lady Kim Gun-hee.
Here's the dilemma of President Yoon Suk Yeol right now, so we can sort it out like this.

[Anchor]
He even delivered such public opinion well, but in fact, the Democratic Party of Korea also spoke out. However, the problem related to Kim Gun-hee should not be solved by Kim's apology. Through this meeting, he pressured me to decide whether to accept the special prosecutor or not. So, the Democratic Party of Korea has already proposed a third independent counsel law for Kim Gun-hee. Will the independent counsel law be discussed at this meeting? What do you think of our critics? Do you think it will be discussed?

[Lee Jong-geun]
Well, I don't think CEO Han Dong-hoon will directly use that expression as the Special Prosecutor Act. I think that's a straightforward and aggressive expression that we should accept in relation to the independent counsel law. It can be like this, for example. So, as the leader of the ruling party, please give me the authority to cooperate with the leader of the opposition party or with the opposition party. I can talk about it in a roundabout way like this. Negotiation authority is to get a room that can accommodate something to a certain extent and then let's talk about it because I have the negotiation authority. So what I'm saying is this. Tomorrow, I will definitely accept the three demands right now. It's not this kind of answer, but it's like this, for example, personnel reform. Of course, there is a part that is contained in Kim Gun-hee's line, but for example, it can be accepted like this. If it's November now, the government will be in office. Then, in the second half of his term in office, he is in office, and in the second half of his term, he will completely renovate the presidential office, which includes the Kim Gun-hee line. So, as the anchor said, we accept the special prosecution law or remove the Kim Gun-hee line, but we can express it indirectly in a comprehensive sense that can be accepted, whether it is a little more friendly or close.

[Anchor]
Recently, Kim Jong-in, former chairman of the emergency committee, said that Kim Gun-hee seems to have made a tremendous contribution to the election of the president of Yoon Suk Yeol. That's why the presidential office argued that it seems difficult to restrain First Lady Kim Gun-hee. How do you see it?

[Bae Jong Ho]
I think it's quite convincing. Because if you look at Kim Gun-hee's public KakaoTalk or transcript messages, isn't there something like this? Aren't there messages like, "My husband is a fool who knows nothing, and he can't do anything if I don't take care of him?" Looking at this, Mrs. Kim Gun-hee seems to think that she should contribute to the success of this administration in the end. And in fact, before President Yoon Suk Yeol was elected president, didn't he have this problem of contacting, persuading, and appealing for help? But the problem is that I don't know if it ended in a good way, but in the past, suspicions of manipulating Deutsche Motors' stock price, allegations of luxury bags, and suspicions of external pressure from the investigation related to the Chae Sang-byung case, and more recently, suspicions of meddling in the nomination of former administrator Kim Dae-nam or involvement in the nomination of Myung Tae-kyun. Even now, when suspicions of manipulating public opinion polls are being raised, Kim Gun-hee has to make her own decision. Because, as I said earlier, this problem is not solved by President Yoon Suk Yeol's decision. If you look at it recently, the Chosun Ilbo continues to demand the president of Yoon Suk Yeol's decision. The Chosun Ilbo even published a professor's column, titled, "Is the title of the column me or wife?" and President Yoon Suk Yeol must eventually abandon First Lady Kim Gun-hee to save the country. And I wrote an article with this thesis that there is too little time, but the problem is, as I said, the issue of First Lady Kim Gun-hee is not a problem that can be solved by the decision of President Yoon Suk Yeol. Therefore, it is questionable whether Kim Gun-hee will make such a decision to go up on the altar on her own when she has already reached such a conclusion with no charges, no charges, and no charges in relation to the prosecution's investigation.

[Anchor]
First lady Kim Gun-hee has to decide on her own. That's what he said. And there is another person who is emerging as the core of the ruling party's internal chaos these days. We'll also take a look at the contents related to Myung Taekyun. I think the most controversial thing until last week was this issue, brother in the text message. At first, Myung Tae-kyun made such claims as implying the president of Yoon Suk Yeol over Lee's brother, but then changed his words again, saying that he was Kim's own brother. Why did he change his words like this?

[Lee Jong-geun]
What about you, Myung Taekyun? Under investigation under the Political Fund Act, Changwon District Prosecutors' Office. But the bigger problems than that are Kang Hye-kyung, the person who actually carried out various things related to the poll under the direction of Myung Tae-kyun at the Future Korea Research Institute, where he worked together. Of course, after that, he worked as an accounting manager for Rep. Kim Young-sun, but in such a relationship, Kang Hye-kyung is revealing something by raising suspicions now. What's the situation like? Myung Tae-gyun is very afraid of judicial treatment right now. Then you have no choice but to think that the people who can save themselves from the judicial system are the lawmakers or political forces that have been connected to them, and you have no choice but to keep sending them messages. Help me, these words are about 25 people who are involved with me, they say this now. The same goes for this part. At first, when Supreme Council member Kim Jae-won attacked him, it was said that he would reveal this because Supreme Council member Kim Jae-won attacked me. At first, Momo told two media that she was her real brother, and then she said it wasn't her real brother, and then changed her words three times. This is the position to change. I keep thinking that it's a self-protective instinct to keep protecting myself because of who I am and what I was related to. And not only this problem, but Myung Tae-kyun is continuing to change his words or reveal himself in a lot of areas. It doesn't really matter who this is, but if Myung Tae-kyun really has a problem, he should actually open everything. And I think they should be brought to justice.

[Anchor]
The critic just said this, and Myung Tae-kyun is mentioning a certain person's real name on his SNS. At the same time, I could see him showing off his presence. However, if you look at the graphic we just showed you, it seems like it implies President Yoon Suk Yeol, and it's not that, but it's like he changed his words after correcting himself to his own brother. He made a joke to the media. By writing these words, he is showing a pattern that makes viewers less trustworthy. How far will the impact on Myung Tae-kyun go?

[Bae Jong Ho]
I can tell you that Pandora's box has been opened.

[Anchor]
You think it's reliable, right?

[Bae Jong Ho]
That's right. It's because Kang Hye-kyung, in addition to the transcripts and KakaoTalk messages that she's revealing, isn't it a situation where allegations of manipulation of opinion polls come out plainly if you look at the transcripts that she's in charge of accounting for former lawmaker Kim Young-sun? There are also testimonies that he reported to Yoon Suk Yeol presidential candidate and presidential candidate, so if Myung Tae-kyun reveals the truth, this will be a huge disaster for the ruling party. First, if the results of the investigation show that the manipulation of opinion polls helped Yoon Suk Yeol candidates and presidential candidates at the time, the legitimacy of the current administration, especially Kim Young-sun, was nominated in the by-election and raised more than 300 million won in the poll with the money that came out in return. In addition, there are suspicions that they raised money from potential candidates running for local elections at the time, so if these parts are proven to be true, it will be a huge shock, and it will be a blow. And the problem is not just President Yoon Suk Yeol and First Lady Kim Gun-hee, but Seoul Mayor Oh Se-hoon is talking, Daegu Mayor Hong Joon Pyo is talking, and Rep. Lee Joon-seok is talking, so if these things turn out to be true in this regard, it will be a disaster for tremendous conservatives. But the problem is that Myung Tae-kyun has 2,000 related Kakao Talk messages, right? And isn't it also that you buried your saved cell phone on the ground? Then this is a kind of intimidation and blackmail. What is this story, if you arrest me, I will reveal everything. So I'll punish everyone involved in me. Then the decisive link is to manipulate opinion polls. But the problem now is that despite this, Myung Taekyun is doing his best right now. But when I asked a former judge and a former prosecutor, he said, "Of course, this is a feeling of restraint." However, I think it is right for the prosecution to immediately arrest and investigate because public suspicion is growing and the impact on politics continues to grow.

[Anchor]
In relation to this, what do you think about the anti-microbial method proposed by the People's Power?

[Bae Jong Ho]
I think it's essential. Because the poll shows that Myung Tae-kyun was able to keep in touch with such influential political figures, even the now-presidential person or wife. But the question is, is this a fair poll? No, there are testimonies that say it's a fabricated, distorted poll. Then, when it comes to manipulating and distorting with something, it's like playing with a sample or playing with it during the correction process. That's why we need to prevent this. So, we need to supplement the sample so that it can be collected fairly. If you did a poll, don't get rid of the record quickly, keep it for a long time, and play around later. The Pollution Prevention Act calls for punishment by law enforcement and permanently deportation of pollsters. At this opportunity, this problem is not just about the power of the people. I would like to emphasize that institutional supplementation must come together because it is a problem for both the ruling and opposition parties.

[Anchor]
Our professor said, "The Pollack Prevention Act, that is, this is the revision of the Public Official Election Act." I really need this. As you mentioned, one representative said, "The polls have raised political distrust so far. I raised my voice like this, but in fact, the nomination method itself has continued to increase the proportion of opinion polls. But is there any possibility that this will change itself, because of this now,

[Lee Jong-geun]
Well, in fact, I know that Korea is the only country that gives nominations by public opinion polls. In the case of foreign countries, there is no reason for that. Because political party democracy has been established in foreign countries, the nomination process is carried out by party members.Ma has an open primary, but the problem is this. If a fair poll is settled, the poll itself is not necessarily bad. But as the professor said earlier, this is not a matter of ruling and opposition parties. As far as I know, the Democratic Party alone has been very criticized internally because of the involvement of pollsters with quite a few problems. Do you remember the polling company that excluded active lawmakers during the screaming massacre last time? which lawmaker Park Young-jin raised the issue of. The research OOO company also actually caused a very big problem inside. That's why I hope what representative Han Dong-hoon is talking about now is not just about the power of the people, but it will be an opportunity for pollsters to root out our democracy this time so that they don't repeat themselves by illegally or expediently manipulating certain polls in the election system.

[Bae Jong Ho]
I think there is a problem if I add a brief comment on this part and leave it to the polls. So I think that such a system should be guaranteed post-mortem so that it can be verified at least, and secondly, what's better than that is that it's most important to entrust the Election Commission with the nomination review. It's a consignment.

[Anchor]
I see. Meanwhile, from tomorrow, the inspection of the National Assembly will enter its third week, and Kang Hye-kyung, who revealed suspicions of Kim's involvement in the nomination by the Judiciary Committee tomorrow, will not appear as a witness? Then, what do you think needs to be identified through Kang Hye-kyung?

[Bae Jong Ho]
The most important thing is the nomination donation. As I said earlier, Kang Hye-kyung is in charge of accounting for former lawmaker Kim Young-sun. But if you nominate former lawmaker Kim Young-sun in the by-election and Myung Tae-kyun tells Kim Gun-hee, so far, it's a suspicion.That's why Ma received about 90 million won in return, right? But there is concrete evidence that the money actually came and went. In this regard, Kang Hye-kyung claims that she is the master of the by-election nomination, so this seems to be a very important part. The second is the suspicion of manipulating the poll by Myung Tae-kyun. Regarding this part, Kang Hye-kyung released the transcript, and if you listen, there is a recording that asks Myung Tae-kyun to raise 2% regarding the candidate for the Hong Joon Pyo and Yoon Suk Yeol races. Also, regarding Yoon Suk Yeol and Lee Jae-myung, there is a saying to match 48:42%, so this is also a very important part in my view. So, if Kang Hye-kyung attends the National Audit Office as a witness in this regard and discloses it in person, it is expected to have a huge impact on the political world.

[Anchor]
On the other hand, Myung Tae-kyun was also selected as a witness in the National Security Council's audit on the 25th, but he expressed his intention not to attend. What do you think about the possibility of another rebuttal interview depending on the level of Kang Hye-kyung's testimony?

[Lee Jong-geun]
Of course, I'm going to do a rebuttal interview. Myung Tae-kyun has to get out of various situations. Of course, there will be no parliamentary inspection. When it comes to the National Assembly, you have to sign a witness anyway, and you have to protect yourself from the possibility of being guilty of perjury. So, it won't appear in the National Assembly, but should we believe Kang Hye-kyung unconditionally? That's not true. Because Kang Hye-kyung is also a stakeholder. Kim Young-sun, a former lawmaker, said he worked with Myung Tae-kyun at the same company and is now in charge of accounting. There's a bit of a silver lining between the three parties. I have to say this completely except for this. If you put a spoon on what the professor said earlier, the manipulation of opinion polls related to President Yoon Suk Yeol is not actually a violation of the election law. So if you say it by law. Because it's not announced yet. That's why he only reported it to the president of Yoon Suk Yeol, only to the candidate. That's why I didn't announce this, but actually just continued to report the public opinion in a different direction, and it was also to report everything. However, if it's not paid 300 million won and reported, there's a charge of violating the Political Fund Act.

[Anchor]
I see. Let's stop here. So far, we have reviewed the week's political issues with Lee Jong-geun, a current affairs critic, and Bae Jong-ho, a professor of Sehan University. Thank you for talking today.