MIN JU's pledge for "Union Day"...Han Dong-hoon, "Perjury Teacher" Jung Jo-joon.

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■ Starring: Lee Jong-geun, current affairs critic, Professor Bae Jong-ho of Seha University

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[Anchor]
The aftermath of Lee Jae-myung's first sentence of the Public Official Election Act continues. The Democratic Party of Korea warned of a party-level response, calling it a political ruling, and Han Dong-hoon, the leader of the People's Power, even mentioned the possibility of a legal arrest in the first trial of perjury teachers on the 25th. Today, let's take a closer look at major political issues with current affairs critic Lee Jong-geun and Sehan University Professor Bae Jong-ho. Hello, both of you.

The Democratic Party of Korea has decided to form a team of lawyers at the party level from the appeal trial over the results of Lee Jae-myung's trial on the Public Official Election Act. You're in the position that party-level intervention is necessary because it's related to election subsidies, right?

[Bae Jong Ho]
That's right. This is a very serious situation for Chairman Lee Jae-myung, but it seems to be a very serious situation for the Democratic Party as a whole. This is because the anchor said for a moment, but hasn't he been sentenced to heavy punishment in the first trial? Regarding the Public Official Election Act, one year in prison and two years of probation, but it's very hard to find a prison sentence related to words that are not related to bribery.

Then, if the prison sentence continues to the second and third trials as a result of the first trial, Lee Jae-myung will lose his position as a member of the National Assembly. And because the right to run for election will be deprived for 10 years, he will not be able to run for the next 2027 presidential election. But as you know, representative Lee Jae-myung is the strongest presidential candidate, so isn't he the presidential candidate with the number one approval rating?

If such a presidential candidate is unable to run for president, the Democratic Party's strategy to take power will inevitably suffer a major setback, so the Democratic Party of Korea has to wage an all-out war. Secondly, he received 43.4 billion won in national treasury preservation campaign funds during the last presidential election, and if the candidate is deprived of his right to run for election, he has to pay all of this money.

So, even if the Democratic Party sells us to pay 43.4 billion won, it is a considerable blow that we don't know if this will be prepared. Third, in the Democratic Party of Korea, the result of this trial against Lee Jae-myung is the result of killing Lee Jae-myung. Specifically, it is the result of the court responding to the prosecution's massive forced prosecution without any special concerns.

Therefore, it will not end with killing Lee Jae-myung, but will lead to a massive prosecution crackdown on Democratic Party lawmakers. Judging in this way, it is analyzed that the party will form an all-out war by forming a group of lawyers at the current level.

[Anchor]
So, not only Lee Jae-myung's individual but also the party is facing a very big financial crisis. If it's 43.4 billion won, some people are saying that it's an amount that they can't sell us.

[Lee Jong-geun]
But it seems to me that there is not only about 50 billion won of our company, but also the overall wealth. So I don't think this is impossible at all, but the problem is this. What came to my mind while listening to it was this. Then did this party have no chance at all? I had a chance. During the presidential election, candidate Lee Nak-yeon clearly pointed this out. He pointed out that if the party nominated Lee Jae-myung as its presidential candidate, the party would also be a problem because of such suspicions as Daejang-dong and Baekhyun-dong that Lee Jae-myung had.

Candidate Kim Doo-kwan made a similar argument in the recent convention, which can be very dangerous. Moreover, Rep. Lee Soo-jin, who appeared in Dongjak, and of course, Lee Soo-jin, who didn't get the nomination this time, aren't you a member of the same party? I said this at the time, despite being a member of the council.

He was a judge, but even if he sees it, it will be very heavy. Various trials. The situation in which I made a judgment like this. So, if this party judged that this was a very dangerous thing at the time, it could have chosen another candidate, but this was not the only candidate. But this is what I'm raising a problem with.

If this party does something at the party level, it becomes a party activity. However, is the beginning of what candidate Lee Jae-myung is going through now after Lee Jae-myung was elected, or is it a charge of what happened with party activities? That's not the case. Wasn't there a risk of false information regarding those lies that he told during his time as mayor of Seongnam and governor of Gyeonggi-do?

Then, personal misconduct was triggered and the election law was violated, so what is the problem if this is used as a party activity for the party? It actually costs money. What you do in a political party is political activity, and political activity costs money no matter what you set up a defense team or do. Where's the money coming from? It comes from taxes.

Dangbi doesn't really have much potion. Then, this is called a current subsidy, so it goes out by tens of billions of dollars every quarter. Why do we pay those tens of billions in taxes? It is stated to promote policies for the benefit of the people. That's why I'm giving them a subsidy. But where are you spending the money now?

A political party responds to allegations that started from what happened when he was the head of a local government, starting with an individual named Lee Jae-myung, and a political party that engages in political activities with taxes at the party level? Is this really the right thing to do? In this case, again, party activities are to promote policies for profit, but it is inevitable to point out that the public corporation is not distinguished.

[Bae Jong Ho]
I think I need to balance it because you're talking about too much controversial parts, but first, our critic seems to presuppose the results of the first trial as a final decision of the Supreme Court, so this is the result of the first trial. Therefore, the results of the second and third trials can be changed as much as possible.

There's a possibility of innocence. So it's a bit problematic to say guilty definitively. Second, Lee Nak-yeon's then presidential contender raised the issue of the Daejang-dong allegation, which had nothing to do with the Public Official Election Act. And it is common for most of the opposing candidates to expose their various flaws in the presidential election process.

Whenever a disclosure comes out, the question is, "Should the candidate give up?" And how Lee Jae-myung, then presidential candidate of the Democratic Party, was confirmed was chosen by the participation of the Democratic Party members and the people. So you have to respect the results. And at the end, he said that the construction should be distinguished, but first of all, the Democratic Party believes that this is a problem that is directly related to the fate of the Democratic Party.

And I don't think we should talk about the lawyer's cost already. Because we are now considering forming a defense team mainly based on the party's lawmakers, then there is no reason to pay for lawyers if they plead for free. So we'll have to wait and see how we'll enforce that part.

[Lee Jong-geun]
Since you spoke twice and I spoke once, I also did not presuppose a final ruling by the Supreme Court that if I object briefly to the objection, the first is guilty. I'm talking about the first trial decision. The fact that I didn't make any premise that I was guilty. Second, he only talked about suspicions related to Daejang-dong at the time. You did, but in order to deny this very Daejang-dong, he said he did not know Director Kim Moon-ki, the first of the Public Official Election Act.

Then, as I kept saying earlier, the beginning started from Daejang-dong and Baekhyun-dong, and those beginning came to the Public Official Election Act, so I presupposed that if I listened to Lee Nak-yeon or Kim Doo-kwan during the convention and presidential election process. Third, not only that, but in party activities, there were few questions for people's livelihoods in the current parliamentary inspection process.

Each ministry was almost centered on the Judiciary Committee, who threatened Lee Jae-myung that he was innocent or that he should be re-elected. If all political party activities were so focused on Lee Jae-myung's bulletproofness, this is the opportunity cost. Opportunity costs also cost a lot of taxes.

[Anchor]
I see. Since the two of you said enough, I'll stop here because I think the viewers know what you're saying right now. Representative Han Dong-hoon said that the Democratic Party's outdoor rally was the worst reason for the sentencing.

In addition, some people proposed a fact-finding committee on the mysterious affairs of representative Lee Jae-myung. a questionable fact-finding committee What is this?

[Lee Jong-geun]
Regarding CEO Lee Jae-myung, of course, I wonder if there is anyone who can even call it a mysterious death in it. There are comments that seven people, the case related to representative Lee Jae-myung and those around him or those related to him, made extreme choices or made such soldiers related to sudden chronic diseases.

[Anchor]
For example, Kim Moon-ki, the former deputy head of the department.

[Lee Jong-geun]
The same goes for former deputy head Kim Moon-ki. In addition, the chief of staff, Bae So-yeon, and Bae So-yeon, who served as Kim Hye-kyung's driver at the time when they played a role in being useful in relation to the law car, made an extreme choice. Also known as Baek Gye-moon, the first person to expose the case of CEO Lee Jae-myung's lawyer's payment to the world, who also died due to a sudden outbreak of chronic disease at an inn in Seoul.

Regarding these people, not everyone is like that, but there were some who were reference people, and there were others who were suspects at the time. Some people directly or indirectly related to the incident have left a will and others have not left a will. In relation to these things, the people's power has not been washed away all of the people's suspicions.

Then, I think it has come out so far in terms of the idea that a committee should be formed in relation to these areas and all the bereaved families should be resolved.

[Anchor]
I see. How do you see this movement of people's power?

[Bae Jong Ho]
In my view, it may be a political offensive, but it is too much. In the case of CEO Han Dong-hoon, he is no longer a prosecutor. He is now the leader of the ruling party. How would the public judge Han Dong-hoon if he still looks like a sharp prosecutor when he should be the leader of the ruling party?

If you look at President Yoon Suk Yeol's approval rating now, people say that it is difficult to choose a president who is a former prosecutor general because he is too unprepared, leading to a low approval rating of around 10%. Therefore, it is too much to say that representative Han Dong-hoon would be arrested in such a political offensive, especially in court, at a time when not a few people are worried about how terrible it would be if a prosecutor-turned-president comes out again.

It is too much demonization even if it is demonized to form a mysterious death committee for the political offensive, and I think there will be a severe headwind. In fact, in my opinion, Lee Jae-myung and his wife have been raided nearly 400 times. If it is a mysterious death as this mysterious death claims, will the prosecution not investigate it?

He is the kind of prosecutor who is sentenced to two years in prison for his wrong words, but in my opinion, if the people's power has time to care about this, I would say that the prosecution will investigate on its own, paying attention to people's livelihoods and the economy. What the mayor of Hong Joon Pyo said was that he conducted a ferocious investigation against President Yoon Suk Yeol. I said it in detail like this.

When he was the head of the Seoul Central District Prosecutors' Office, he summoned 1,000 people and arrested 200 people, and five of them committed suicide. Then, isn't this the result of an unreasonable prosecution investigation? And I talked about former Chief Kim Moon-ki, why did this person commit suicide? I committed suicide in the process of being called to the prosecution.

So did CEO Lee Jae-myung kill it or did the prosecution kill it? If this part is also brought to the question that CEO Lee Jae-myung died, I would say that it is too much to be confused.

[Anchor]
I see. Anyway, the party is not pushing ahead with this because it has proposed a committee to investigate the suspicious facts. Let's see how this unfolds. You talked about the court arrest a while ago, but CEO Han Dong-hoon came out in the process of continuing the offensive of the people ahead of the first trial of perjury on the 25th. In the case of perjury teachers, he also mentioned the possibility of Lee Jae-myung's legal arrest. I'm not saying you have to be arrested in court, but what kind of process did this come out of?

[Lee Jong-geun]
First of all, CEO Han Dong-hoon is not the case with regard to the situation of being harsh in relation to the first trial. This is actually a very wrong approach. The Democratic Party and Chairman Lee Jae-myung are also putting too much pressure on the judiciary regarding sentencing. Pressure on the judiciary only creates such a situation in which the judiciary will increase sentencing to the maximum.

Therefore, I think the same thing is included in this, but in order for representative Lee Jae-myung to be commuted from his sentence, he has to admit what he has to admit. I didn't actually do this deliberately, but I do admit it in this area. Whether it's confession or acceptance. So, the judiciary judges that this person is reflecting on this, and in fact, there is a factor in reducing the sentence in the election law.

There are two factors for commutation. There is a factor for reducing the sentence when you turn yourself in, confess, or resign from running on your own. Now, there are situations in which you talk about innocence unconditionally, attack the judiciary, or demand innocence at the parliamentary audit.

In explaining that, the perjury teacher also now pleads not guilty and does not admit one thing. But as you know, the transcripts and the parts that he admitted that he had been perjured, and this is so obvious that the judiciary is likely to serve the highest sentence in terms of sentencing standards.

If so, he said that there is still a possibility of court arrest. To tell you one more thing here, the reason CEO Han Dong-hoon talked about it was because there were a lot of workshops. When you are arrested in court, the arrest motion now must actually be re-posted. So if you look at Article 44 of the Constitution, there is no arrest or detention. Even if the judge said that detention is a court arrest, it is supposed to be buried in the National Assembly again.

But I interpreted that. You don't have to. Because the last time the arrest motion was approved, this perjury teacher part was included. At that time, there was Daejang-dong, there was an election law, and I asked these three things together, but they passed it, so you don't have to ask again. So, it seems that he just talked about it as an assumption to explain that if a court arrest is sentenced, it can be carried out without going back to the arrest agreement.

[Anchor]
So viewers probably remember this, but in September last year, the National Assembly passed an arrest motion in relation to the perjury teacher case. But it passed, and the court dismissed it. That's why it's a matter that's not bound. Since the arrest agreement was passed once, it is possible to be arrested in court, I think he said that legally.

[Bae Jong Ho]
So, from CEO Han Dong-hoon's point of view, Lee Jae-myung continues to be a felon. It contains a political calculation that he will gain political reflection and open a way by hitting Lee Jae-myung and hitting the Democratic Party of Korea only when he is accused of being a felon. As I said earlier, you are the leader of the ruling party. And Lee Jae-myung's de facto competitor for the presidency.

Then, would it be highly appreciated to say that it would be better to make representative Lee Jae-myung as the principle of a trial without detention as much as possible, even if he is on the verge of court arrest, or would it be highly appreciated to say that he should be arrested? In that respect, in my view, it has not escaped the time of such a politician at the level of a very low number of prosecutors.

I can't help but say that it's at the level of a very low-level politician. And importantly, the essence of what is most important is the possibility of court confinement. In my view, there is zero possibility of legal restraint. The reason is that there must be a reason for court arrest in order to be arrested in court.

There should be a reason, even if it's an ordinary natural person. There should be a reason for a court arrest. You should be concerned about the evidence. By the way, Chairman Lee Jae-myung is the leader of the main opposition party of the ruling party and is the number one presidential candidate, so would you run away? Then there's no fear of running away. Then I already have all the records of the evidence regarding the destruction of the evidence.

And according to the prosecution's claim, the person who perjured me reversed that I perjured myself, so I testified again now. But would he reverse his testimony again? Then I have the evidence perfectly. If so, basically, a trial without detention is the principle. Therefore, I would like to say that there is zero possibility that the court will arrest you.

[Anchor]
So, there were cases where they were dismissed by the court last time, and for that reason, they were dismissed.Anyway, let's watch this on the 25th. Myung Tae-kyun and former lawmaker Kim Young-sun were arrested last week. After Myung Tae-kyun was arrested, Rep. Lee Joon-seok opened his mouth, and Rep. Lee Joon-seok of the New Reform Party, who was the leader of the People's Power at the time two years ago, continues to expose the intervention of the nomination. Let's hear your remarks last Friday.

[Lee Joon-seok / New Reform Party lawmaker (15th): The president keeps telling me, 'You can't do this' and that's what happened. It's unusual to talk about it with anger, and should I say that I understand why it's like this? ]

[Anchor]
There were a lot of very specific stories here. President Yoon, who was elected at the time, continued to intervene in the nomination process, including pushing specific candidates as Pohang Mayor and Gangseo-gu Mayor. That's the story.

[Lee Jong-geun]
However, regardless of whether it is true or not, why did CEO Lee Joon-seok suddenly do this? The first thing I don't understand is why didn't I tell you this at the time? during the nomination process As you know, who is the final person in charge of the nomination? I'm the leader of the party. Let's say the mission committee made all the decisions.

However, just because the mission committee decided, it does not mean that it will be implemented as it is. The party leader should vote at the top. And it ends only when the party leader signs himself. At that time, Jisun won. What did CEO Lee Jun-seok say after winning everything? He said it's the fairest nomination.

However, at that time, representative Lee Joon-seok was very aggressive, both when President Yoon was a candidate and when he was president. It is inferred that the phone call was made around April at that time, but what happened in April and May? There was a fierce dispute within the party over the sexual bribery case, Chairman Lee Joon-seok.

And regarding the Sung Sang-nab case, there was an aggressive situation that pro-Yoon and Yoon nuclear officials chased me out like this, even with the president and the president-elect. In the process, if you talk on the phone a few times, you can have a considerable advantage in your representative position if you reveal it. Nevertheless, I didn't reveal it then. And in conclusion, the nomination went very transparently.

And since then, two months have passed since Myung Tae-kyun's transcript was released. I haven't said anything in two months, meddling in the nomination. Didn't you start by saying that you intervened in the nomination at that time? Until just before the Chilbulsa Temple and the Red Plum Blossom Incident, the core of the news tomato media was that First Lady Kim Gun-hee and President Yoon intervened.

Why did CEO Lee Jun-seok keep his mouth shut at that time? Why are you talking about this right after you return home? Because Myung Tae-kyun's lawyer has become Soyeon Kim, and Soyeon Kim's lawyer heard the recording under the presence of the prosecutor at the time. No, Lee Joon-seok starts with a message that President Yoon is trying to run for Kim Young-sun at 00:40 on May 9th.From the beginning, I saw a lot of it, and the revelations continued that Lee Joon-seok was involved in the nomination, and former lawmaker Kim Young-sun was also nominated by Lee Joon-seok.

And the drivers kept calling CEO Lee Joon-seok, but he was on a trip abroad at the time. As soon as I come back, I talk about the issue like this. I'm starting to reveal it. Regardless of whether it is true or not, it will be later, but is there any sincerity in Lee Joon-seok's current revelation? If this revelation is the second intervention in nomination, do you mean that the party leader was incompetent? He said he nominated him. There are two problems like this.

[Anchor]
Professor Bae, how did you like it?

[Bae Jong Ho]
First of all, as lawmaker Lee Joon-seok said, it is true that he disclosed it belatedly. Then why did he reveal it now? There must be a reason for that. First of all, it's former CEO Lee Jun-seok. Congressman seems to have decided that the target of the prosecution's investigation is expanding to himself. The reason for this is that we arrested two people, former lawmaker Kim Young-sun and Myung Tae-kyun, right?

However, the prosecution seems to judge that former representative Lee Joon-seok and former emergency committee chairman Kim Jong-in are also related to the nomination. To investigate suspicions of meddling in the nomination and the return of funds in return for nominations, Lee Joon-seok, former chairman of the party who could have exercised the right to nominate candidates, and Rep. Kim Jong-in, former chairman of the emergency committee, should also be investigated. This is the direction of the investigation. So I think Lee Joon-seok is barricading himself in advance regarding this.

No, I was the party leader at the time, but the president-elect was President Yoon Suk Yeol, and President Yoon Suk Yeol put various pressures on me regarding the intervention of the nomination. At the same time, there is talk of Kim Tae-woo, the mayor of Gangseo-gu, and even Kim Jin-tae, the current governor of Gangwon-do.

Regarding this, he said he would eventually lead the president of Yoon Suk Yeol. Furthermore, we are even revealing such transcripts related to Kim Gun-hee. Then, what is this story? In the end, if you want to investigate me, it can be interpreted as a signal to investigate President Yoon Suk Yeol and First Lady Kim Gun-hee.

[Anchor]
Why is Rep. Lee Joon-seok making such a revelation at this point? The two of you said it, and then we have to go back into the question of whether this is true. First of all, the mayor of Pohang, who was excluded from the nomination, blocked him and got a chance to run again, and at that time, the mayor of Pohang. However, in the case of Gangseo-gu Mayor, President Yoon carried it out. That's what I'm saying. However, in the case of lawmaker Lee Chul-kyu, it is a rumor that is at the level of ghost stories.

In the case of Kim Tae-woo, the former head of the district office, he said that it was Lee Joon-seok who nominated him, and he goes in the form of a truth game.

[Lee Jong-geun]
As I said earlier, CEO Lee Joon-seok is almost forced to take self-imposed measures. Even if it's self-destructive, as the professor said earlier, the purpose is clear to lead the president of Yoon Suk Yeol. These two are the problems of investigator Kim Tae-woo at the time, and investigator Kim Tae-woo was very recognized anyway.

At that time, the head of Gangseo-gu District Office and the chairman of the party's cooperation committee would not tell you the name, but Kim Tae-woo was not as recognizable as the investigator at the time. As a result, during the Kim Tae-woo and Kim Moon Jae In administrations, there was a lot of contribution to exposing the blacklists of the Yoon Suk Yeol government and these parts, and I think it is plausible in relation to these parts. What's wrong with candidate Kim Tae-woo is that by-elections are a problem, and I don't think there was a big problem during this election.

I can also criticize that the presidential office made a mistake when nominating again by-elections, but I don't know if there was a lot of opposition within the party and Gangseo-gu had a lot of opposition in this regard. Second, the Pohang market problem was actually said to have failed, so if the president inserted it and succeeded, it would be a reason, but it failed.

I don't understand you saying it's because of me when you failed. There's one more. I talked about the Ahn Cheol Soo's singular nomination. By the way, he claimed that it was a primary, but he was defeated. Isn't Ahn Cheol Soo the person who even had a presidential candidate at the time? Even though there was little disagreement within the party, the party can admit that Lee Joon-seok insisted on holding the primary because he had a grudge against Ahn Cheol Soo candidate.

Based on these three points, can the president really admit that he intervened in the nomination process 100 percent? I don't think I'm good enough.

[Bae Jong Ho]
Isn't the Myung Tae-kyun brain tube actually hitting Jungkook right now? In addition, it creates various controversies over the lies of President Yoon Suk Yeol, and I think Lee Jun-seok's brain tube is a bigger one. The reason is that in the case of Lee Jun-seok, the automatic recording application is installed on the phone.

The reason why I told you that President Yoon Suk Yeol said that young people these days should know that there is an automatic recording application. The story is also based on Lee Joon-seok, the former CEO. So that's what I deduce. If so, all the conversations we had with President Yoon Suk Yeol and First Lady Kim Gun-hee will be recorded.

Then, the biggest problem with nomination intervention is the mayor of Pohang, the governor of Gangwon-do, and the mayor of Gangseo-gu, Kim Tae-woo. Then, if President Yoon Suk Yeol expressed his anger and various opinions on these three things, this would have been saved on former representative Lee Joon-seok's cell phone.

Then, especially in the case of two places, the reversal occurred. In the case of Pohang Mayor, when the incumbent mayor surveyed at the time, he overwhelmingly ranked first. But it was cut off. However, when I filed a request for a retrial, representative Lee Joon-seok re-elected it at the central party level, and was overwhelmingly nominated for Pohang mayor more than twice as much. Isn't it that you're outraged by this?

So there's one thing that he blocked, and in the case of the Gangwon governor, Hwang Sang-moo was virtually nominated at the time, and Kim Jin-tae, the current governor, was excluded, but he raised the issue and was reversed in the primary. However, since former representative Lee Joon-seok claims that President Yoon Suk Yeol is involved in the situation, the truth will be revealed exactly when the prosecution investigates this part.

However, with one more word, would the prosecution's investigation be fair or would it stop here? I can't believe it, so if I go to the special prosecutor's office, all the truth will be revealed in a hundred days, I think.

[Anchor]
I see. Rep. Lee Joon-seok has been talking about raising the level of disclosure every day since he went on a business trip to South America. If the prosecution's investigation leads to a reference investigation, we will see what else will come out. So far, Lee Jong-geun, a current affairs critic, and Bae Jong-ho, a professor at Seha University, have been with us. Thank you both.