[News NIGHT]

■ Host: anchor Sung Moon-gyu
■ Starring: former Saenuri Party lawmaker Chung Ok-im, former Democratic Party lawmaker Shin Kyung-min

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[Anchor]
It's a focus night time to point out the news of political interest. Today, we will be joined by former Saenuri Party lawmaker Jung Ok-im and former Democratic Party lawmaker Shin Kyung-min. Please come in. As Chairman Lee Jae-myung is put on trial again on charges of misappropriation of corporate cards, party leaders, including Chairman Lee Jae-myung, are raising their voices of criticism every day. Today, let's hear firsthand what stories came out.

[Lee Jae-myung / Democratic Party leader: There is a high possibility that the governor knew the corporate card used by the front-line department or the execution of the budget, so I'm prosecuting, this is the prosecution's position, but the Brazilian prosecution applied to Lula. The reason there is no evidence is probably because it was hidden, the same thing. ]

[Kim Min-seok / Supreme Council member of the Minjoo Party of Korea: A quack cartel dog with no moral reflection, political prosecution has become a gangster in Seocho-dong who razor-sharp cuts and recites a demand to "prosecute, although there is no evidence." ]

[Anchor]
Representative Lee Jae-myung and Supreme Council member Kim Min-seok's remarks had nothing in common, but prosecuted them.What did you think, lawmaker Jeong Ok-im?

[Nice]
I remember that not only this corporate card but also other trials have made a lot of claims that they cannot be held guilty because there is no evidence. You say it like this. They said it was a corporate card or budget execution used by the front-line department. But I'm not taking issue with the budget executed by the front-line department and the Gyeonggi-do department. Although it was clearly a corporate car to spend the budget needed for the provincial government, the so-called sushi, beef, sandwiches, and even fruits used at the home of then-Governor Lee Jae-myung were used more than 20 million won. On the other hand, I've used my personal shampoo, ritual goods, and laundry expenses, so this is a problem. It's not a crime because you didn't know, right? But even if you didn't know, you wrote it for yourself. Isn't it so? Then, at least before claiming that he didn't know, if the corporate card was used for laundry, ritual goods, hair loss shampoo, and even fruits, beef, sandwiches, and sushi, isn't it the basic attitude of public officials to apologize to Gyeonggi-do residents and the people? That's what I think.

[Anchor]
There's no way you don't know, and even if you didn't know, shouldn't you say sorry because you wrote it for yourself?

[nervous]
This is the attitude of public officials to the people. Even if you didn't know it, the company card has been revealed by the prosecution only during the governor of Gyeonggi-do, but you served as Seongnam mayor twice before that. In that sense, this is not a good position as a public official because the inertia of Seongnam Mayor before that came and became like this during the governor of Gyeonggi-do Province. But of course, the prosecution is also digging until the end. The prosecution's attitude is problematic according to the prosecution's attitude. Nevertheless, as a public official's attitude, I will first be judged through a trial. If this is true, it seems certain that it is a wrong attitude for a public official. But I'll fight with the evidence first. I didn't know that well. I'm sorry. I think it would have been right to go with this. I think it's a little wrong to criticize the prosecution strongly in this way and come out like a dog in Seocho-dong.

[Anchor]
As you said now, what is the reason why the direction of the attack, which was directed toward the court immediately after the trial, is now directed to the prosecution?

[nervous]
The court doesn't end with the first trial. Considering that there are 2nd and 3rd trials and this has been prosecuted several times, we can't predict what kind of trials and how they will be in the upcoming trials, and there is a trial on the 25th, but that's not the end. So, if you look at the behavior of representative Lee Jae-myung so far, you don't say a word about the court. And even at last week's rally in Gwanghwamun, Seoul, he didn't say a word about the trial. That's because he decided not to set an angle with the judiciary in consideration of future trials and various situations. However, everything we're talking about now is said by everyone else except yourself. That's why you already know that it's stupid to stand up with the court. However, in this situation, the prosecution was expected to prosecute immediately after Kim Hye-kyung's first trial came out. This is not the only thing the prosecution has. There are about two to four cases that are also fiddling with other cases. So, it is expected that we have to set an angle with the prosecution, and for the future, we have no choice but to set an angle with the prosecution. But this case is a corporate credit card. So, the corporate card is the basic position of public officials, so I understand that you should set an angle with the prosecution, but this is not right for now, and it is right to emphasize the attitude of public officials.

[Anchor]
As you said, with this additional indictment, there are five for now, but there may be more in the future. That's what he said now. Therefore, it seems that the disruption of party affairs will be quite inevitable, so what do you think of the possibility of the party leader's control over the party or changes in his supporters?

[Normal] It looks like there's no
. In reality, this is natural, but didn't the party's control already show too clearly in the nomination process of the last general election? But didn't you declare that you won't die even in this crisis? That's why I'm going to try everything I can to hold on to the grip. So some people say that the three prime ministers, the three Kims, and the three prime ministers, will appear to change the party. This is a hopeful observation. As the Democratic Party of Korea, centered on representative Lee Jae-myung, is already transformed into a party that cannot be imagined and needs to be done, and since he is more aware of the crisis, he will ask his supporters to unite around him through more stimulating and extreme appeals. So, is it lawmaker Choi Min-hee? This person says that. If there is any deviation from this, I will kill you, including myself. I can't express it like this. It's creepy even though I'm talking about it. In fact, given the impact of politicians' words on society as a whole, I wonder how they can say that, but if that's the atmosphere of a political party, it is expected that there will be no major movement in party control or change of support for a considerable period of time, but rather, everything will be done to break it down.

[Anchor]
You mentioned that there will be no change for a while. Until when will the considerable period be?

[nervous]
First of all, we'll have to go past the 25th. The Democratic Party said on the 25th that the first election law trial, which took place on the 15th, was much more intense than expected, and that it usually expects innocence.I think Ma expected a sentence of less than 1 million won. However, other people expect a high fine, so a high fine can be made less than 1 million won if they fight in the next second trial. I expected that much, but I was surprised because I got a year in prison that far exceeded my expectations. Because of this situation, the Democratic Party of Korea responded much more violently than expected, and then the Democratic Party of Korea asked why there was no other sound. We had a general election in May because we went through a shrivel in January, February, and March. Let's return to the content of the screaming death at that time. If you look at the contents of the people who were killed and went outside at that time, if some of them had lived and were on the floor now, the atmosphere would have been very different now. That's why the project planned all these things when he died of screaming. If it's 800,000 won or 900,000 won, you can move on without any problems, but what if it becomes more than 1 million won and you get a prison sentence? So you shouldn't leave a single person alive. Screaming is bound to be a death knell. There was this principle, and there was a very difficult nomination process at that time. Because of the recent case of Myung Tae Gyun, there are a lot of questions about the nomination.The nomination of the Ma National Power Party has not yet been revealed in earnest in the year 24. But if you look into it, there will probably be various problems. The Democratic Party's nomination is clear. By assuming this worst situation, the nomination was made in the worst situation without any sound. That's why the sound can't come out right now, and if the sound comes out, the first trial will remain the same even in the second trial, I think that's going to be a little different now.

[Anchor]
Because of the so-called shrieking death, there is no other voice within the party, but it seems that such stories are coming from outside the party these days. In the midst of this, representative Lee Jae-myung mentioned the need to revise the election law in a written congratulatory speech at a debate held at the National Assembly Hall today. Some point out that this is an intentional statement because it is right after the first trial ruling that violates the election law. How did you like it, Senator Chung?

[Nice]
The Democratic Party of Korea said it was delivered before the first trial was sentenced and drew the line like this. It was delivered on the 14th. But there were already two sentences scheduled. Especially including the election law. In addition to that, regarding the violation of the election law he has received, he probably wants to turn around and claim that the nation's election law is wrong, and shouldn't he rally his supporters in some way?

[Anchor]
So, you can see it on the screen now, but the application of the earring on the ear and the nose ring on the nose is reducing political credibility. That's what I said.

[Nice]
But isn't there much more people who held elections without violating the election law that applied earrings and nose hooks if they put them on the ears that representative Lee Jae-myung claims? And by making the election law so strict, the election culture of our country has become quite clean. For example, shouldn't you spread false information during elections? So, the Democratic Party says that the election law is strict, but I think people will look at it in a bad light, thinking what the intention is that the ship will fall when the crow flies.

[Anchor]
Since Representative Shin has also been active for a long time, do you think there is a need to revise the election law?

[nervous]
While running in the election, I've been re-election, helped other people's elections, nominated by-elections, and participated in various elections and presidential elections. Our election laws are really complicated. I don’t know well. So, if there is a local election commission in the Election Commission and there is no conclusion, it goes to the National Election Commission, but the phone is opened to the local election commission 24 hours a day during the election. So if you call me at 10 p.m. in the middle of the night or at dawn and ask what to do at times like this, neither they nor the people of the Election Commission know well. So I do that for a while, and then I go through the law book and get an answer in about an hour with a case or something. It's that complicated. And it is true that Korea's election law is much stricter than that of the West, for example. There are false facts for the purpose of publicizing false facts and for the purpose of losing the election, but there are also false facts for the purpose of election. We are very strict, so false careers and false academic backgrounds are also strict. It's true that it's too strict. And in our country, door-to-door visits are never allowed. However, in the case of Harris in the United States, there is a scene on the screen where a candidate visits Philadelphia and talks with the landlord. So the United States is possible. When I sit at home, campaigners come knocking. And it's very tricky for us to share business cards. So it's right to say this. But at this point, it is right not to talk about this from the standpoint of representative Lee Jae-myung now being tried on charges of false disclosure of election laws, and we told you earlier. Just like that, in this case, when the corporate card problem comes out, I have to lower my head first, and I feel ashamed that I was prosecuted like this. But I will fight for innocence, this is the right way to do it. In this case, it is right to remain silent about the election law.

[Anchor]
There is a need, but the timing was not what CEO Lee Jae-myung had to say. The Democratic Party of Korea is also speeding up the impeachment of prosecutors. There were four prosecutors on the impeachment list in July. In addition, I wonder if I can gain public sympathy by pushing for an additional three people. How do you see this question?

[Nice]
If this is the case, the four prosecutors who have already been subject to impeachment are also the prosecutors involved in the prosecution of representative Lee Jae-myung. So in the end, didn't the Constitutional Court go to the Constitutional Court and the impeachment itself is invalidated again? But I'm going to add 3 more people. But I think these three are also prosecutors related to the prosecution of CEO Lee Jae-myung.

[Anchor]
First of all, Lee Chang-soo, head of the Seoul Central District Prosecutors' Office, is here. There is Cho Sang-hwan, the 4th deputy prosecutor, right below. So there is Choi Jae-hoon, the second vice president of anti-corruption. So, the chief prosecutor of the Central District Prosecutors' Office, the deputy prosecutor, and the chief So these three are related to the non-prosecution of the Deutsche Motors stock price manipulation case.

[Nice]
It seems to be related to Deutsche Motors, but the four people who were first on the impeachment list are related to the prosecution of representative Lee Jae-myung. Now, I think the other three are probably related to the decision to acquit Deutsche Motors' Kim Gun-hee, including the head of the Central District Prosecutors' Office. In fact, the public's view on this part is also quite critical. In other words, it is true that there is such criticism from the public as to whether this is not prosecuted without charge in relation to Deutsche Motors stock price manipulation. So, not only prosecuting his problems, but also trying to highlight the part that the prosecution is quite a political prosecutor, a prosecutor who obeys power, and a prosecutor who lacks fairness and common sense. That's why if the prosecution is supported and trusted by the majority of the people, not the opposition party, by showing what fairness and common sense are from a neutral and independent standpoint.

[Anchor]
What do you think of this part, Representative Shin? Additional Prosecutor Impeachment?

[nervous]
I have a position that we should be very careful about the impeachment of the prosecutor. There's a tendency to overuse the card of impeachment right now. But I want to do this accurately, but when you keep increasing the number like this, it's important to do it with a clear reason and cause. However, it would be right to review this carefully one more time and push for impeachment. That way, we will be able to gain public sympathy. It's worth trying to keep increasing numbers like this, tactically and strategically, but we need to think carefully about whether this is advantageous in the long run.

[Anchor]
In the midst of this, lawmaker Yoon Han-hong is the core of pro-Yoon in the ruling party. It is controversial now that there was a report that lawmaker Yoon Han-hong asked Myung Tae-kyun's side to release a recording that the president said he should break the relationship. We will listen to Park Chan-dae, the floor leader, and come back.

[Park Chan-dae / Floor Leader of the Democratic Party of Korea: Yoon Han-hong, a member of the People's Power, said he asked Myung Tae-kyun to release a recording of the call that the president said, "Don't talk to my wife and mother-in-law." What is important is that there is also a recording of a call in which President Yoon Suk Yeol called again the day after he got angry with Myung Tae-kyun, apologized for an hour, and expressed the difficulty of regime change. Isn't it an attempt to cajole and destroy evidence to water down President Yoon Suk Yeol's suspicions of nomination transactions by selective disclosure of recordings, and an insidious backdoor transaction? ]

[Anchor]
So I need to explain the background a little bit. This period has been since the release of the record of former lawmaker Kim Young-sun's involvement in the nomination of the 2022 by-elect Kim Yoon Suk Yeol. It's the day after that. On November 1, there was also a recording of Rep. Yoon Han-hong calling an acquaintance of Myung Tae-kyun and the president asking him to sever the relationship. Are you saying that you asked me to reveal this as well? It's a little complicated.

[Nice]
That's right. Then, of course, there's a messenger in the middle of this. Representative Yoon Han-hong did not contact Myung Tae-kyun directly. So there is a connection, and Myung Tae-kyun said, "If so, don't arrest him and ask for the family's livelihood." Also, since it's not going well, there is a recording of Myung Tae-kyun yelling at me to cut off the relationship and the president apologized to me for an hour the next day, and I don't know why there are so many stories like this. And now, I think it would be nice to move on the premise that if we talk or record like this, everything will be revealed to the world. In this situation where we don't know exactly what the post-war situation will be like, many people can raise suspicions that a lawmaker called Yoon Hak-gwan contacted him and asked him to say this, and the opposition party uses this as an excuse. So, regarding Myung Taekyun, I play several recordings like this. So I don't think the majority of the people will understand it as they play it. So either approach what the truth is in a straightforward way or just stay still. I wonder if this has had a positive effect on trust in the president, not to mention lawmaker Yoon Han-hong himself.

[Anchor]
As Representative Chung said, so many recordings are coming out, so it's really confusing, and it's also confusing when and how who said it. First of all, Representative Yoon Han-hong admitted to contacting him on this issue. I acknowledged it, but I denied the transaction attempt.

[nervous]
Isn't this what the Democratic Party revealed about President Yoon's development on October 31st? But immediately after that, you might have thought that if you reveal that you scolded them after looking at that line like this, you could have upgraded your image a little bit. But the problem was that the report came out a few days after the release of the voice on October 31st. A day later, as it was reported that President Yoon apologized for Dr. Myung and talked for an hour, it was meaningless for Yoon Han-hong to say this on November 1, and the fact that it was revealed made only Yoon Han-hong embarrassed in a way. So, because of the time difference, so many recordings were released and the facts popped out, and lawmaker Yoon Han-hong's doing this was not voluntary by lawmaker Yoon Han-hong, and there was something else behind him. What on earth is lawmaker Yoon Han-hong? Even this is suspected, and lawmaker Yoon did something without body pain as a lawmaker. As things got twisted and twisted like this, many things completely crumpled up the style. The presidential office has also lost face, and lawmaker Yoon has really lost face. Furthermore, it made things more complicated. No one expected the fact that they made an apology call for an hour a day later, so there is no other way than to go with the fact. In this situation where recording, recording, fostering, and disclosure are rampant, we have no choice but to follow the principle.

[Anchor]
A lot of time has passed, so let's move on to our ruling party's story. It is a controversy over the party bulletin board, but there is still a war of nerves between pro-Yoon-gye and close-knit people over the party bulletin board of the People's Power Party. Let's hear the related remarks first.

[Jang Ye-chan / All People's Power Young People's Supreme Council Member (MBC Radio's 'Kim Jong-bae's Attention'): In accounts with Jin's last name, it is mainly posted by articles or editorials. That's why the closeness community asks what's wrong with the editorial, but the accounts of Choi Young-ok, Han Ji-yoon, and Heo Soo-ok, which are common surnames, include fierce criticism against the president and the politicians around him, excretion of emotions, and tremendous stories and beautification toward representative Han Dong-hoon. Other family accounts, which are common surnames, appeared as soon as they were blocked on September 10th, and they just poured out emotional messages. ]

[Kim Jong-hyuk / Supreme Council member of the People's Power (SBS Radio 'Kim Tae-hyun's Political Show'): Not only the president and the first lady, but also the representative Han Dong-hoon, is full of criticisms. Party audit is done when people with a certain role or position in the party, such as party officials or lawmakers, have problems. How can we audit the party just because ordinary party members left comments? ]

[Anchor]
There has been a very big incident in the political world due to the judicial risk of representative Lee Jae-myung, and voices are exploding over the fence due to the ruling party's internal problem. The pro-Yoon-gye insisted on a party audit today as well, and one person's pattern comes out the same. There is a 100% chance that one person in the family is responsible. These arguments keep coming up.

[Nice]
Didn't you say this was an anonymous bulletin board? But suddenly, he said he was anonymous, and the name Han Dong-hoon came out, and that Han Dong-hoon was not that Han Dong-hoon, but his family's name came out, and Jang Ye-chan made various claims. There is a 100% chance that one of the family members is responsible for this, and the reason why we use the expression "responsibility" is that there is a very raw criticism against President Yoon or First Lady Kim Gun-hee, right? Emotional excretion. But if you're going to do a survey like this on the party's bulletin board, do a full investigation and see if other party members wrote their stories, swear words, and express emotions with their free will or not. You have to do a full investigation. Why do you only catch Han's in-laws like this? Nevertheless, if this is done by Han Dong-hoon's family, I don't know if it violates the law because I'm not an expert, but as CEO Han Dong-hoon, I look embarrassed. And when I looked into this from an expert, it took less than 30 minutes to know who was responsible for it. Then let's find out quickly. Let's do a party audit, let's do an investigation, and all the people are raising their eyebrows because of people's livelihoods, kimchi shopping baskets, and the market economy. Although Lee Jae-myung may think he has some room due to the growing judicial risk, will this appearance be seen as a responsible ruling party? So first of all, CEO Han Dong-hoon and his close circle should just reveal the truth and apologize if it's wrong. That's the new politician, but it's anonymous, so how did all the names come out, how did you know this, and if you look at the bulletin board as a whole, then one person wrote several things. Isn't that the right way to recognize him?

[Anchor]
So there are many opinions to that effect, and there are also stories that the party already knows this. As you said, why is CEO Han Dong-hoon keeping his mouth shut?

[nervous]
That's what I'm saying. Things are weird. It's anonymous, but it's weird that the names are all revealed. This is why Rep. Jang Ye-chan is not even a member of the party. But why is this being revealed through the mouth of Rep. Jang Ye-chan? The flow path is also strange. Of course, CEO Han Dong-hoon also suggested that if this becomes a problem, then let's investigate and check it out. If it's related to my family, I'll apologize for it. It's right to go by like this. Since Lee Jae-myung was sentenced to prison like this after the first trial, I think our National Power Party is in this mood. However, in the people's opinion, Lee Jae-myung is Lee Jae-myung and Kim Gun-hee is Kim Gun-hee. So, because both sides were not proud, they could not give their hearts to either side from the people's point of view. How do you handle this then? The National Power Party is looking at how the Democratic Party is doing, and the National Power Party is looking at what to do with the special prosecutor Kim Gun-hee, but it's not that beautiful that he's running into life and death by having a strange emotional confrontation with this. I feel sorry and pathetic that the big parties are showing such disappointment.

[Anchor]
The close circle is investigating the police right now, so let's see this end, so what will be the exit?

[nervous]
Well, I don't know if this is something to investigate. However, if an investigation is needed, it would be better to discuss the degree of investigation and whether the investigation is at the audit level or at the secretariat level through discussion within the party. But if the problem is revealed, the person involved needs to apologize. Anyway, as pointed out at the beginning, it is really strange to see how anonymity is revealed like this, and a person outside of the party named Jang Ye-chan keeps biting the issue and leaning on the close friend and Chin-yoon. This is not right.

[Anchor]
How will it unfold and how will it end?

[Nice]
As I said before, didn't you say that you were swearing? Then, if it's legally done, there could be defamation or insults, but if that's the case, Jang Ye-chan's argument focuses only on the family and relatives of CEO Han Dong-hoon. If you want to take legal action in such a way, you have to conduct a thorough investigation and apply defamation and insults equally fairly. And then CEO Han Dong-hoon has a fresh image of a politician. So, next week, the result of Lee Jae-myung's perjury teacher trial will come out, and if you think about it like this with a political issue covering another issue, this is outdated politics. So, as a novel politician, I saw that you may or may not be connected to your family. But if someone is connected, I think this is the most honest way to get recognition from the public.

[Anchor]
Today, I hope the People's Power and CEO Han Dong-hoon will listen to the two and find a solution. He was joined by former Saenuri Party lawmaker Chung Ok-im and former Democratic Party lawmaker Shin Kyung-min. Thank you both.