Jeon Won-chaek, "Lee Jae-myung was revived as 'not guilty', but the Democratic Party lost the opportunity to take back power."

- 3rd Special Prosecutor Kim Gun-hee, if the 尹 is 'third party recommendation', it should be boldly received

- Judge Kim Dong-hyun will be judged to have unintentionally changed the history of the Republic of Korea.Lost the opportunity to make the Democratic Party's plan B, retaking power

- Judge Kim Dong-hyun's order is strange.Among the inscriptions that give authority to his words, the inscription

- Didn't you know Kim Moon-ki? He's likely to be overturned in the second trial of election law violations.

[News FM Lee Ik-seon Choi Soo-young Issue & People]

□ Broadcast date and time: November 26, 2024 (Tue)
□ Host: Lee Ik-seon, Choi Soo-young
□ Cast: Lawyer Jeon Won-chaek

- If the sentence of Lee Hwa-young's second trial is maintained or aggravated on the 29th, Lee Jae-myung will be fatally awarded
- Article 84 of the Constitution prohibiting criminal prosecution while in office? It is difficult to apply Lee.The party that nominated the accused? The purpose of separation of powers is against the purpose of the separation of powers
- Li's 'politics to save people?' An angry remark, someone who has been a politician who has killed so far

* The text below may differ from the actual broadcast content, so please check the broadcast for more accurate information.

◇Lee Ik-seon: It is admitted that witness Kim Jin-sung gave perjury at the request of Representative Lee Jae-myung to testify, but it is not intentional. This is the logic of the first trial court on charges of perjury by CEO Lee Jae-myung. Let's talk about what this means with lawyer Jeon Won-chaek. Today, we have invited you under the title of an extra book, not a monthly book.

◈ Jeon Won-chaek: This ruling shook the Republic of Korea yesterday. Not only that, but manager Kim Dong-hyun may not have thought about it, but there are also things that have slightly changed the history of the Republic of Korea. If you did something yesterday and found guilty right away, it would have been a very fatal wound for Lee Jae-myung, and although the Democratic Party does not have Plan B now, there will be a burden to make it rapidly. But the presidential election is two and a half years away. So the Democratic Party would have had an opportunity to take back power. But yesterday, it became a strange ruling that gave Lee Jae-myung another chance. Of course, I will explain it later, but I already see that there is no way to survive for CEO Lee Jae-myung. Anyway, yesterday, the Democratic Party of Korea was going to make a representative decision, but the opportunity was gone. Then the Democratic Party rolls back like this. In my opinion, it will not be a second trial ruling of the Public Official Election Act. Perhaps the Suwon District Court's ruling on the remittance case to North Korea can come out in about six months, or when the Supreme Court ruling on the Public Official Election Act comes out, the Democratic Party of Korea should take Plan B only when the final ruling, which literally deprives representative Lee Jae-myung of his right to run for election, comes out. The Democratic Party will have less opportunity to take back power. In my view, that's why yesterday's ruling caused some enormous and invisible repercussions beyond my expectations. People only talk about Lee Jae-myung alive or dead yesterday, but it was a ruling that had a great influence on the history of the Republic of Korea. That's how I see it.

◆Choi Soo-young: According to the former lawyer, I heard that the Democratic Party missed the opportunity to come back to power. But many Democratic Party lawmakers are loyal as if they are supporting the judiciary now.

◈ Jeon Won-chaek: Until now, I had attacked the judiciary, but I don't know if Lee Jae-myung misunderstood me yesterday, saying, "The judiciary is still the best law in Korea." There were quite a few people who misunderstood whether they knew the ruling in advance or the acquittal in advance when they saw that they were smiling brightly as they walked to the court and couldn't hide their laughter while shaking hands with everyone. The reason for this is that he entered the court with a full smile, even though his face would have no choice but to be hardened ahead of such an important ruling that determines his own fate. So anyway, he's a very bold man. I only thought about it like this, but breaking news comes out one after another in the middle. Instead of not being able to broadcast there, breaking news comes out one after another, and this is how it is while watching breaking news. I pointed out this morning's newspaper editorial, but don't we all know? To put it simply, it would be great if you told Kim Jin-sung that you don't know at all or that there was a connection between KBS and Kim Byung-ryang. He told me to give perjury, but I gave perjury. Kim Jin-sung, who confessed, was found guilty of a fine of 5 million won and did not intend to be considered a perjury teacher. . But it's very interesting. I wrote down what the court did, and it's like this. At the time of Lee Jae-myung's call with witness Kim Jin-sung, it seems that it has not been decided what specific testimony he will give. Therefore, it is not enough to say that Kim Jin-sung thought each testimony was a lie. So far, I can see the judge like this. I acknowledged it like this. But what's said after that is really weird. What they say is that the call between Lee Jae-myung and Kim Jin-sung is "in light of the fact that Lee Jae-myung has asked Kim Jin-sung to testify falsely." Take a look at this. A sentence written by a judge who has studied Korean in Korea has written only a ruling all his life is an inscription like this. What do you mean by this in light of the fact that it's hard to see that you asked for false testimony? These words are sentences that show such a willingness to add authority to one's words. I've been writing all my life and I've been on the literary scene twice.If you look at this inscription that I met. I'm really yawning.

◆Choi Soo-young: Maybe he did it because he didn't have confidence?

◈ Powerbook: That's right. In light of the difficulty of putting authority in one's own sentence to keep putting authority in one's own words, Lee Jae-myung asked Kim Jin-sung to lie, but in fact, he hears it twice like this. But look at that saying. You can just tell me you heard that. Did you ask for false testimony? Or is it hard to say that you requested it? It's a story between KBS and Kim Byung-ryang in the recording file. That doesn't come out, but it's perfect to tell them that there was a connection. To put it simply, KBS and Kim Byung-ryang made a plan and accused Lee Jae-myung of being the main culprit, and they asked me to tell them that. So I don't remember Kim Jin-sung. I don't know that. I don't know. I don't remember. If you tell me like that, I can listen to it and do it. That's how I say it. And in light of the fact that what the court said earlier is difficult to see, for example, what's behind it is now like that. This means that the teacher's intention to perjure Lee Jae-myung to Kim Jin-sung is not to be seen as a perjury based on the evidence submitted. Then, if you say something, it's that. Please tell me what Lee Jae-myung says during the 25 minutes of the call in the middle and tell me as it is. have no memory of This is why I asked you to tell me as it is. If you ask me to revive my memory, I will even send you a summary of my argument later. When you say you'll send me a summary of your argument, it's a request to tell me according to this because we're making this argument. Nevertheless, there is no need to say that I saw something I didn't see to bring back my memory. He asked me to tell him exactly what I was saying 12 times. If I do something like this, I'll be honest. In the words of those criminals who teach perjury, this is always the part that digs a hole for them to escape. If you ask Korean legal professionals about this, they will all admit what I said. Everyone digs all these holes to escape. And Lee Jae-myung also keeps talking about this in court. I asked you to tell me as you are. That was also the case 12 times. Then you can say that you heard what the prosecution says. What does that mean? So, in my view, the judge's decision yesterday literally melted into this word in light of the difficulty of seeing it. This word is only seen in my eyes as a sentence showing a strong will that says, "I cannot convict Lee Jae-myung in any case."

◆Choi Soo-young: He was never found innocent in the first trial sentence of a perjury teacher sentenced this year, and he said this was a very rare case.

◈ Jeon Won-chaek: In the case of perjury teachers, the prison sentence rate is 35%, and some people even say 50%, but important cases. And most of the things that have been proven to be malicious are sentenced to prison in October or even a year and a half in prison. They are sentenced to prison without probation, but Korea is actually unique. If it's like the United States. If the crime of obstruction of justice overlaps, one case will be sentenced to about seven years in prison. If you look at the cases, a person who served as a lieutenant governor in the state gets 30 years in prison, goes to a cell and is sentenced to 30 years without parole or something. For example, at the age of 50, get a 30-year sentence. Actually, it's a life sentence. In this way, obstruction of justice is very meaningful. If you are charged with obstruction of justice, it is really hard to get out. And to be acquitted is that first of all, the jury should be a non-expert in the law among the conditions of the jury. They are the ones who sensibly question whether or not they have properly taught perjury. This is why there are few holes to get out of. However, there are no crimes of obstruction of justice in Korea, whether it's good or bad, so to be honest, let me confess that we have too many lying crimes compared to Japan. Lying crime fraud This is a huge number than Japan.

◆Choi Soo-young: I saw an article that says we are the top in OECD countries for fraud.

◈ Powerbook: To be honest, this is perjury. In civil court, the plaintiff also appears as a witness and the defendant also appears as a witness. Then one of the two people doesn't lie. Half of them are liars. Well, it can't be divided into two ways, but if one side is right, the other witness testifies to a lie. So I think I'm not afraid of perjury, but Kim Jin-sung confessed himself this time. I gave perjury to the court. And the motivation for perjury was that CEO Lee Jae-myung told me I don't remember. You can just say that even though you don't know, and I'll send you to Berlin. I even said, "Read that." That's why I gave perjury. So Lee Jae-myung was acquitted by the perjury. I was acquitted of spreading false information under the Public Official Election Act. But as time has passed, Kim Jin-sung and why this fact was revealed. It's a relationship with Kim In-seop. Kim In-seop is the person who served as the head of Seongnam Mayor Lee Jae-myung's predecessor when he ran for the first time. And you're a lobbyist for Baekhyun-dong's case. Kim In-seop stepped in and raised the land use level 4 from natural green to semi-residential areas, and he was able to build all the apartments next to the retaining wall below the 50m cliff, and made the 100% rental sale 90%. Kim Jin-sung was the one who introduced Kim In-seop to the Asian developer named Jeong Baul. And Kim Jin-sung and Kim In-seop have been brother-in-law for 20 years. I don't know how you knew, but the records say that and the reports say that. That's why the prosecution confiscated Kim Jin-sung's phone. I confiscated it, and at first, I was going to look at the conversations with Kim In-seop, Jung Baul, and the people on Lee Jae-myung's side, but suddenly, the conversations between Lee Jae-myung and Kim Jin-sung were recorded. That's the part about perjury teachers. However, since the prosecution was acquitted while jumping up and down, it was prosecuted as a perjury teacher again. And when the sentence came out in a year and a month, he said he was innocent and exonerated. But I think this will be overturned in the High Court. The reason is because. First of all, the logic doesn't fit.

◇ Lee Ik-seon: I see. However, we had a time to listen to the stories with two former lawmakers, Shin Kyung-min and Kim Kyung-jin, and from what I interpreted, there were aspects that could be interpreted like this and that.

◈ Powerbook: One of you probably didn't study Korean.

◇ Proficiency line: So there was a content to the effect that next year will be worse than this year, and this confusion will be aggravated. If so, what I want to ask lawyer Jeon Won-chaek is that if the results are overturned in the second trial, wouldn't Lee Jae-myung's supporters get angry again?

◈ Powerbook: The biggest problem is that if you look at the newspapers this morning, it is time for Lee Jae-myung to revive again. He took the opportunity to revive himself. You're welcome. The most frightening incident is not actually a perjury teacher, but a case of the Public Official Election Act. In the election law case, he was sentenced to one year in prison or two years of probation. The freestyle sentence just threw it away. Then, there should be a reason for this to be changed from the second trial to a fine of less than 1 million won or to a fine. However, rather than such a reason for the reduction, there is a part that said that he did not know Kim Moon-ki. In the first trial, if you did something, you were innocent. Since it's a part of cognitive judgment, he said he was innocent because he could do this, but he said that he didn't know Kim Moon-ki was involved in the Daejang-dong gate. Kim Moon-ki is the most important member of the design of Daejang-dong. That's why he said he didn't know Kim Moon-ki to deny that he was directly related to the design of Daejang-dong. Then, not knowing Kim Moon-ki is not just a matter of cognition, but, to put it simply, it can be seen as an act. So there is a very high possibility that this part will be destroyed in the second trial. I think so. If I were a judge on the high court, of course I would overturn it. This is not right. The prosecution argues that how to see this as a simple part of cognition. So if it's added, it's added, but I don't think there's any reason to be reduced. Then, as you know about the Public Official Election Act, the first trial is 6 months and the second trial is 3 months. But while doing the first trial for two years and two months, I really fought on the part that I was going to argue with. There's nothing to do in the second trial. Then, the second trial cannot escape for another three months. So, about six months after the Supreme Court, the final Supreme Court decision on Lee Jae-myung will be made around May next year at the latest. It seems that we will be able to live again like this, for example, as a member of the National Assembly, but eventually, on December 12th, the Supreme Court ruling on our country comes out. It's the same. What you sow is bound to reap. So for Lee Jae-myung, the Public Official Election Act was actually a really dangerous case and the time was set. In addition, the case of remittance to North Korea, which is being conducted by Senior Judge Shin Jin-woo of the Suwon District Court's 11th division, has already been sentenced to nine years and six months in prison for Lee Hwa-young, who was involved in the remittance case to North Korea. This remittance to North Korea is a third-party bribe. Then the best is life imprisonment. But isn't there any evidence related to this? In the case of Lee Hwa-young, the same court has already completed the investigation of the evidence. So it's going to be a trial that's not much to contend with. If so, in the end, even if the first trial is long, wouldn't it come out in four to five months? For Lee Jae-myung, there are too many mountains to overcome. And you'll never be able to cross the mountain. Now, I am standing at the edge of the cliff of Cheon-gil. That's what I'm talking about.

◆Choi Soo-young: Then, in your opinion, how long do you expect the second trial sentence for Lee Hwa-young, the former vice governor of peace in Gyeonggi Province, to be?

◈ Powerbook: People's interest now. The attention of the legal community is that if there is a defect in where Chief Judge Shin Jin-woo made the ruling, the sentence will be cut in the second trial. However, even if the sentence is maintained or even if the sentence is cut, if the gist of the first trial's ruling is recognized as it is, it is fatal to Lee Jae-myung. If you do something about it, Lee Jae-myung's name appears countless times in the ruling. In the meantime, the beneficiary of the remittance to North Korea is Lee Jae-myung, so to speak, the body is Lee Jae-myung. And Lee Jae-myung, the body, was indicted this time. This is why I can't be tried by Shin Jin-woo at first. This is a case where we don't know whether it will take two or three years. So I asked him to merge the trial, which is likely to be ruled after the next presidential election, and some of the Supreme Court trials are also the achievements of the famous left, where Justice Kim is. That's what our legal profession knows, but some of him dismissed it. You can't do that. So I went to Shin Jin-woo, and there was another strange case this time about the misappropriation of corporate credit cards. It's originally a single case. However, since a single incident affects this society too much, it would be better for me to do it in the collegiate division than for me. So, it went to the reallocation hall and the consensus department went to some department heads Shin Joon-woo. So both of those cases are there. And this Gyeonggi-do corporate credit card misappropriation case is really a simple case. The corporate card is a real misappropriation of public money and embezzlement of public money. He's charged with breach of trust, but it's probably 1564 million, 165.4 million, or 106 million that prosecuted only the clear evidence. So it's probably a difficult case to avoid prison time for him, too. The reason for that is because... It's the scruffiest case. It's the most shameless and ugliest incident that can't distinguish between public and private affairs. If such an incident occurs in a foreign country. I have to retire from politics right away. But should we call such an incident a political oppression or a prosecution dictatorship? How many people would really accept that this is the prosecution's dictatorship.

◆Choi Soo-young: I'd like to ask you a legal interpretation. The remittance case to North Korea. As you said, it could take some time before the Supreme Court ruling. So, Rep. Jang Dong-hyuk asked the Constitutional Court this question. If a person in criminal trial is elected president, can the lawsuit continue, or if he is sentenced to invalidity of election due to a case indicted before election, will he lose his or her presidency? How do you interpret this?

◈Original book: One of the presidential principles says that you are not prosecuted. Then, how did he interpret it in the past when he was president of Park Geun Hye? He interprets it like this, "You can be investigated, but you are not prosecuted." In fact, it means not to do all the investigation prosecutions while in office. But the president thinks that, for example, crimes before becoming president and crimes that are already being prosecuted and tried should be tried. The problem is that the party that nominated such a defendant is party democracy. You're not supposed to give them a nomination. But the problem is that they gave the nomination and then exempted the trial later? Then what is the purpose of the separation of powers? It becomes colorless. Then, in the U.S., Trump will be elected this time, so to put it simply about Trump, let's stop the trial of cajoling him by paying 100 million won to prostitutes, but I don't think that's the case. Well, the separation of powers in the United States is stricter than ours. That's why I'm paying a lot of attention to that in the future.

◇ Profit line: Please interpret what this means. Representative Lee Jae-myung made this statement shortly after the sentence yesterday. Politics should coexist and go together, not kill and step on each other. We should do politics that saves people rather than killing them.

◈Original book: Yesterday, when the ruling to save Lee Jae-myung came out, I came out and said, "Let's not kill Lee Jae-myung, let's save him, let's do politics." But the moment I saw it on TV, I hit the table in front of me. I'm angry. Who's the politician you've been trying to kill? After entering the 23rd National Assembly, the impeachment of the special prosecutor, the impeachment of the special prosecutor, the impeachment of the special prosecutor, rather than the people's If the independent counsel fails, if the independent counsel fails, the prosecutors who investigated him will be impeached again if the independent counsel fails to be impeached. And if the special prosecutor goes to the right to request reconsideration and it doesn't work, so if it's destroyed, another line will be added and another special prosecutor bill will be submitted. If you pass it, and it's transferred to the government, and the government refuses again, it pays again. I'm releasing another independent counsel law. Then I don't care about the people's livelihood bill. CEOs from 16 large companies in our economy talked all at once. We're in big trouble. I'm really in a crisis. And they say that we found sound finances now, but it's not time to find sound finances now. Economic institutions around the world lowered the economic growth rate to 0.2 percentage points in Korea to 2.0. Next year, however, important economic research institutes are now less than 2.0. But this... If you start to go down like this, it's probably the top three in the country by the beginning of next year... I can't say the name of a particular economic research institution, but these are the economic management institutions that are run by large corporations. I think it'll probably come out like 2.5 from there. 1. The word "5" means that it stays in place, and if it falls below that, the economy will retreat. But our people hate to read the newspaper and watch economic news. If you look at the graph per minute on TV, too. General political news goes up. It's going up and all the economic news, the graph just falls, so this broadcasting station doesn't want to do economic news either. But take a look at it right away. What happened to household debt at the end of last month? 1913 trillion. It's over 1900 trillion. It comes out as a small piece in the newspaper. Even if it's big, you don't look at the newspaper, so it's 1913 trillion won. And that's not all. The total debt of self-employed people is more than 2,600 trillion won. It's called actual household debt. In addition, the deposit for lease is about 800 trillion won. Then it's almost 3,4 to 500 trillion won. But there are people who have a really hard time. The extreme poor, people who borrow money for a few days, people who flock to the private loan market. The president got angry this time. But the number of people flocking is huge. We need to know the people who are politicizing this pain.

◆Choi Soo-young: At today's Cabinet meeting, the opposition party decided to request a reconsideration of the Special Counsel Act on First Lady Kim. The president is expected to veto it again. Can you give me some advice on Jungkook who is spinning like this?

◈ Powerbook: I've been talking for a long time. Let's take a bigger view of the president and the ruling party. I think it's the case that Kim Gun-hee is a little disgraced. Various arguments from the ruling party so far. Should I call it a pleading? Or should I call him a lawyer? Looking at these stories, in fact, stock price manipulation is a matter before meeting with the president, and Kim Gun-hee did not directly intervene in stock price manipulation. So there's a lot of room for dispute, and there's the rest of the pouch bags. What kind of tremendous crime was that worth 3 million won to wipe out the first lady of the president? It was a trap. It was a trap, wasn't it? Our people understand that part, too. Then, if only the special prosecutor can appoint an objective third-party person to the special prosecutor, let's negotiate and receive it, and solve this problem. Then, the president of Yoon Suk Yeol is the cabinet this time, and especially the secretaries of Yongsan, the aides. The truth is, the secretaries are ministers, and I'm really going to put the tax revenue into the new unit for the people. If you show it like this, the people will once again look forward to President Yoon Suk Yeol. The approval rating is still 20% in Gallup right now. The NBS index survey rose to 27%, but I was a little upset when I saw it. There was no particular variable that could rise, but why did it rise? But I think President Yoon will have an opportunity.

◇Lee Ik-seon: Last short... The ruling party's controversy over the party's right now. How do I solve this?

◈Original book: Actually, I wrote on my YouTube what are you talking about and why CEO Han Dong-hoon couldn't open his mouth properly. His family wrote it or not. It means that you have to say it yourself. Why can't you say that? Why do you keep trying to hide it, cover it, and even what kind of pollack is it? People involved in the pollack gate talk about it like this to stop them from talking about it, and those involved in Kim Dae-nam do it for cotton. He doesn't do that. I'm Han Dong-hoon. This is a reverse branch, and Han Dong-hoon should solve it.

◇ Proficiency line: I see. It's a special episode today. Thank you for coming out in a hurry as an extra-affiliated power book. I was with lawyer Jeon Won-chaek. Thank you.