Woo Sang-ho, "Acting South Korea, if the degree of involvement in civil war is serious, it will be subject to impeachment."

[YTN radio news fighting]

□ Broadcasting: FM 94.5 (07:15-09:00)
□ Broadcast date and time: December 20, 2024 (Fri)
□ Host: Kim Woo-sung PD
□ Cast: Woo Sang-ho, former lawmaker of the Democratic Party of Korea

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◆ PD Kim Woo-sung (hereinafter referred to as Kim Woo-sung): He has been the floor leader's emergency chairman in the Democratic Party. Let's connect Woo Sang-ho, a former lawmaker of the Democratic Party of Korea, and hear about the current situation. How are you, Senator?

◇ Woo Sang-ho, former member of the Democratic Party of Korea (hereinafter Woo Sang-ho): Yes, hello.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: Acting President Han Deok-soo exercised his right to request reconsideration of six bills, including the Grain Management Act. The Democratic Party opposed it, but Kim Jae-won, a former supreme council member, came out just now to make the Democratic Party deliberately request a reconsideration, knowing that it would not work. It is intended to turn the arrow of criticism. They evaluated it like this. What do you think?

◇ Woo Sang-ho: It is actually a policy bill that the Democratic Party has consistently argued for before on the grain management law. That's why I didn't intentionally bring up the bill this time in the face of impeachment. However, the Democratic Party actually raised this issue whether the exercise of the right to demand reconsideration, that is, the exercise of the right to veto the bill, is the authority of the acting president. First of all, in the power of the people, the acting president can exercise his veto power, isn't it? That's why we're arguing the other way around. Then, if the acting president's exercise of the right to request reconsideration is justified, he also has the authority to appoint a constitutional judge. That's the kind of argument that connects. However, exercising the right to demand reconsideration of the bill will not lead the Democratic Party to attempt to impeach Acting President Han Deok-soo because of the issue.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: This is the situation, and we need to look at it separately. For example, Kim Jae-won, the supreme leader of the people's power, said in our program, "Since the president's job is temporarily suspended, political activities such as appointment should not be done, and bills with time limits can be processed." How should I look at it?

◇ Woo Sang-ho: Yes, that sophistry. So, you have to look at which public officials' authority will be viewed as a normal exercise of authority or not. I think it's a bad thing to say that a bill can be made, but not an appointment. Therefore, the scope of appointments that the acting president should not make is the president, so it is difficult to nominate a new person when recommending a new person. However, for example, I think that the acting president should definitely sign such an appointment, where the Supreme Court is the Supreme Court or recommended to the National Assembly. Therefore, even in the face of the impeachment of the president of Park Geun Hye in 2016, the reason why one constitutional judge could not be appointed was because it was the president's responsibility. If it was up to the National Assembly at that time, of course, the acting Hwang Kyo-ahn would have been able to appoint it. So, rather than a matter of field, I think we should see whether this is a new exercise that actually exercises the president's authority or is it just a formal management.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: Yes, formal management, specifically, the signature procedure that no one names, but the administrative procedure that already appoints online recommendations should be done. We'll explain it again like this. Now, there are two independent counsel laws due at the end of this month. Regarding the two independent counsel laws, there is talk about whether to talk about my right to demand the exercise of my right to demand, but another program will review this yesterday. I'm going to do this because it's an act that interferes with the truth. That's how they predicted it. Is the story the same all the time?

◇ Woo Sang-ho: That's why it's like this. The criteria for judging the impeachment of acting Han Deok-soo is how much this person was involved in the civil war, and isn't he booked and investigated as a suspect? Therefore, in fact, if the degree of involvement in the civil war is very serious, wouldn't this have no choice but to be subject to impeachment 100%? If you reject the independent counsel for a civil war, this is beyond the issue of participating in the civil war and interferes with the so-called fact-finding and punishment of those responsible for the 113 civil war, so it is considered to be different from the general policy bill veto, and it cannot help but be impeached. Therefore, acting Han Deok-soo also believes that the independent counsel for rebellion cannot exercise its veto power.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: Refusing to do this would be a bigger problem because you are involved in the alleged rebellion.

◇ Woo Sang-ho: There is a possibility that you are involved. Second, I think this is a reason for impeachment because obstructing the truth of this situation and the punishment of those responsible is preventing the truth of this situation and the punishment of those responsible.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: Yes, yesterday, the Democratic Party of Korea criticized the criticism that it's President Yoon's season 2, and they said they were close. Rep. Woo Sang-ho and our Han Deok-su-kwon
◇ Woo Sang-ho: During our government, the cabinet

◆ [Kim Woosung] I know. Anyway, even if it's not a public expression, you must have asked each other about your intention or talked about this critical situation. What do you think? Are various decisions made by this person's will? Or is there some kind of pressure on the party and the current government as prime minister? How are you judging?

◇ Woo Sang-ho: Anyway, even if we took over the relationship with our government in the past, isn't it because he was a prime minister appointed by President Yoon Suk Yeol and he was that prime minister? Then, at least the nature of the Yoon Suk Yeol regime, or the direction of state administration, should be maintained. So I think that will be the main basis for him to manage state affairs. So, from the Democratic Party's point of view, I'm not suddenly arguing that the big policy stance brought by the Yoon Suk Yeol regime should be in line with the Democratic Party's policy stance. It's a request to run the state administration reasonably and fairly as a manager. The overall trend is that people's livelihoods are very difficult right now, and the economy is in crisis. You have to focus on this, not get involved in things that reveal political colors or try to influence them, for example. I think you should consider such a problem thoroughly.
◇ Woo Sang-ho: That's why next year's special prosecution issue is considered to be such an area of political power, so we have to make a decision at this time.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: We have to do it sooner than the deadline. You make this argument, too. What do you mean? He said, "Declare it sooner than the deadline for re-request." He didn't exercise the right to re-request.

◇ Woo Sang-ho: No, that's what we're asking you not to exercise your veto, and we can't tell you what to do or what to do about it until what time, but there's a fixed time anyway. It's better to wrap this up as early as possible because we have to do it by when.

◆ [Kim Woosung] Okay.

◇ Woo Sang-ho: If you look at it now, the bill and the special prosecutor's issue have not been addressed separately at the Cabinet meeting.

◆ [Kim Woosung] Yes, sir.

◇ Woo Sang-ho: You seem to think very carefully.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: Yes, and Seok Dong-hyun, now known as President Yoon's friend of 40 years, is not an official lawyer. However, while refuting various things, including accusations of rebellion, he said that he had never taken out a ruler for arrest. I said, "Where is the civil war that I predicted in advance?" How did you like it?

◇ Woo Sang-ho: Aren't these lawyers? Yes, Seok Dong-hyun and the president of Yoon Suk Yeol, but yesterday, I watched Seok Dong-hyun's press conference closely, and he is making political investigations and sophistry. So why on earth would you hold such a press conference when you are making political sophistry while avoiding an exact explanation about what is true?

◆ Kim Woosung: Yes

◇ Woo Sang-ho: I'm actually a little disappointed. So isn't that an arrest that you ordered a lot of your commanding generals to get the lawmakers out of the plenary hall? He also called out the specific list of arrestees, and without consulting the president, he ordered the defense minister or subordinate troops to take the politicians and judges. That's because the person in charge must be the president. That's why he's making sophistry. I'm very disappointed to see why these lawyers are making that kind of sophistry.
◆ Kim Woo-sung: There are a lot of these arguments from lawyers. Daegu Mayor Hong Joon Pyo also said, "The crime of rebellion should be a target offender, but was there a purpose to disturb the national constitution? Didn't you want to normalize the country?" I think he also said, "It's a local disturbance, it's not a crime of rebellion, but it's just an abuse of authority."

◇ Woo Sang-ho: No, so if you look at it, they think impeachment is inevitable and they argue that it's not a civil war, so they have a strategy to prevent President Yoon Suk Yeol from going to prison, what happened to the National Assembly at the time? For example, some mob took over the National Assembly.Yes, so was it a situation where the National Assembly could not go back normally? No one was there, right? The soldiers invaded and declared martial law and entered the National Assembly to block it. So, there is no basis for declaring martial law, right? Didn't the National Election Commission check the election committee for the purpose of neutralizing the parliament and holding a re-election just because the general election for the National Assembly was called a fraudulent election? Anyone can see that this is an attempt to overturn the country, but it's pathetic to try to fight with the legal interpretation of whether it's a civil war or not. So the reason legal experts are criticized is that they are disappointed when they turn into this kind of technician.
◇ Woo Sang-ho: We have to face the situation, but we keep hearing about legal fights, so we think it's very pathetic. So, the question of whether or not it's a civil war doesn't need to be discussed right now. You can leave that to the judgment of the Constitutional Court and the court.

◆ [Kim Woosung] Okay. Speaking of which, the story of the fraudulent election has been revealed in the presidential statement, and especially those who support the president seem to be saying it strongly, but the news came out early this morning from the National Intelligence Service. During last year's NEC inspection, he drew a line saying he could not determine whether it was a fraudulent election. Now, the NEC has also announced that fraudulent elections are impossible because there are observers while conducting actual checks, but the controversy has not subsided. How should I understand the background?

◇ Woo Sang-ho: In my view, the fraudulent election dispute is the most absurd controversy. Don't even people who have held elections directly monitor how the votes are cast on the ground? Each party sends it to us. Observers, so people who risked their lives in this election, cannot stay still if they are in the slightest denial during the voting process. Don't you always push for this recount or have legal disputes? No, dozens of observers who represented him are monitoring the voting process with their eyes on, and it's absurd to hear that there's something wrong with the NEC's server. Because in order for corruption to occur, shouldn't corruption occur in the process of voting in the field?

◆ Kim Woosung: Yes

◇ Woo Sang-ho: In that respect, the election results cannot be changed just because North Korea is hacking or a third party is involved in the NEC server, which has no irregularities in the initialization process and only stores the results. The controversy over fraudulent elections is the most absurd in my opinion, but it is absurd for outsiders who did not participate in the election to claim that they lost because of such fraudulent elections when they lost the election.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: Yes, so this should be completely done only when the number of votes on the site and the number known on the NEC server are the same, but in fact, it should be a problem, but this is a situation that can't be different, so I kept explaining. If you're more curious about this, you have to continue explaining and persuading the people anyway, but that's right. Yes, I see. That situation was actually mentioned as some basis for the 123 emergency martial law, so we're asking you more about this. What's surprising about that situation is that the general public doesn't know about the NEC right now. Isn't it a top-secret unit belonging to the Intelligence Command? They said, "Hid is an arresting group for people who are directly crossing North Korea," but some people are talking about what their intentions are, not people who make arrests, but special forces who go to North Korea to assassinate factors or have these specialized skills. I think I need to organize this, too.

◇ Woo Sang-ho: So, isn't HID known as a North Korean unit? Uh, recently, they stopped working on the North Korean wave, but everyone is surprised to hear that they are sending troops to the NEC that are fighting against North Korea.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: I'm just curious about the intentions. Yes

◇ Woo Sang-ho: Why did you choose the unit? The NEC is not even North Korea, so we should investigate the intention.Ma's attempt to send some of the infiltration intentions that he was trying to send the Hid North Korean troops to the NEC is shocking. Even if you tried to infiltrate them with North Korean military clothes, this is a great maneuver. Whether they were trying to justify martial law or try to make a new second operation to justify it in this martial law situation, I think these are things that should be revealed through investigation.The more the truth is revealed, the more likely I am to reveal this person as a martial law that was prepared very carefully and even prepared for the second and third operations, not accidental martial law

◆ Kim Woo-sung: Then the martial law lifted in two hours and the martial law lifted in three hours, which is completely different from the intention of warning against the opposition party's dominance. Now, Roh Sang-won, the former intelligence commander, is a civilian, and he called Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun or the armored brigade commander himself. Of course, it is known to have taken advantage of various weaknesses such as promotion, but looking at these situations, there are some parts that do not match what the president's office and lawyer Seok Dong-hyun claim. How do I look at it?

◇ Woo Sang-ho: That's right. What they're fighting about right now is that they're trying to keep insisting that they didn't have the intention of a rebellion. However, the more carefully planned it was revealed, the more obvious the intention was. That's why I said, "Where is the civil war that ended in two hours?" And they caused the civil war. It's a failure, and you didn't plan to do it in two hours, did you? So, in my view, their plan was originally powerless by complete occupation, but lawmakers, including Chairman Woo Won-sik, moved quickly and resolved to lift it, so they failed. It's ridiculous to make such an excuse by saying that you were going to do it for two hours from the beginning

◆ Kim Woo-sung: It's about the results of the example. The intention would have been more meticulous. That's the explanation. However, the investigation into the alleged rebellion has also been handed over to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit for now. There is also concern that things like summoning and investigating will not work out well even though it has been transferred. Documents related to the impeachment trial have not been received by the Constitutional Court. How do you see it?

◇ Woo Sang-ho: So let's buy time by delaying the various trials we need to receive. Anyway, I think it's a cowardly act that is not like President E to use a trick because the president is in a position to be punished under the pretext of sending the prosecutor general and running the country according to laws and principles. It seems a little cowardly to delay all procedures, saying that I will do it confidently only in words. So there are already disappointments of the people, but they are the ones that cause anger. Look at it like this. You have to go and be investigated and submit to the Constitutional Court. I think so.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: The president of Yoon Suk Yeol will also be investigated proudly. That's what I said.

◇ Woo Sang-ho: You're confident only in words.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: And Seoul Mayor Oh Se-hoon said that although he opposes martial law itself, there are many common-sense concerns that even President Lee Jae-myung cannot accept. I think they are voices of concern or restraint over this. What do you think?

◇ Woo Sang-ho: No, I don't understand that the members of the National Assembly and other party members who belong to the People's Power oppose representative Lee Jae-myung becoming president. That's possible. The parties are different, but that means if they disagree, they can vote against it in the presidential vote. So, in a nationalist country, anyone can express their political will, so what's important is to seek the people's judgment. If people say they want Lee Jae-myung to become president, do they have to obey the people's power to prevent them from doing this and that because they oppose it? I see it as an anti-democratic attitude in itself. So, if Lee Jae-myung is against the president, you can vote against it. But that's why we don't have a presidential election? That can't happen.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: The Democratic Party of Korea said, "It's separate, not based on Lee Jae-myung, but it was a question about raising the level of the offensive, and we don't know the results of the impeachment trial, but all political parties are interested in early presidential elections. National Assembly Speaker Woo Won-sik is showing his presence in his preference for the next leader. I heard it got a bit higher. What do you think about this part?

◇ Woo Sang-ho: No, it was so good that Democratic lawmakers, including Chairman Mu Won-sik, responded quickly and prevented national unhappiness, and the public's praise for this is pouring in. Yesterday, Chairman Woo Won-sik said, "I have no intention of challenging the president." I think I can do a good job of expressing that position quickly. I think you'll finish your term as the speaker of the National Assembly. In that respect, anyway, this is a compliment that the people did well this time, so they will receive it accordingly and be faithful to their role and duties as National Assembly Speaker

◆ Kim Woo-sung: You were saying that you would be faithful to your role as the head of the legislature, and you are now the chairman of the Democratic Party's emergency committee. In 2022, the power of the four people has not been able to find the chairman of the emergency committee, so it is very difficult. There were some people who were surprised to hear about Rep. Kim Jae-seop. The most official thing is to say that nothing has been decided yet. What do you think?

◇ Woo Sang-ho: So if you look at that, as a result, shouldn't people with political experience do it to deal with the current crisis and seek a new twist? The party is actually on the verge of being split because of a close pro-member, but I don't think it's difficult for any novel outsider or first-term lawmaker to solve this problem. Yes, it is true that they cannot find the right person to deal with the confusion within the party and pursue change and reform, but in fact, I think there are aspects in which those senior lawmakers cannot decide because they want to do it with each other. It looks more pathetic to me. Now is not the time for such individual ambitions or greed, but it seems that we need to collect the middle finger quickly with who will solve this problem most appropriately, but the time keeps going because we can't give up our greed.

◆ Kim Woosung: Yes

◇ Woo Sang-ho: I can't say who's the right person, but it seems a little pathetic to see the senior members of the people who can't join forces early on.

◆ Kim Woo-sung: Yes, the situation of the power of the people is actually a situation that the whole people are interested in. We'll find out how to answer it. Thank you for your sharp words again today. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, it was Woo Sang-ho of the Democratic Party of Korea.