[News FM Lee Ik-seon Choi Soo-young Issue & People]
□ Broadcast Date: 14th October 2024 (Mon)
□ Host: Lee Ik-seon, Choi Soo-young
□ Performers: Kim Ki-heung, former deputy spokesperson for the president's office, Choi Byung-cheon, head of the New Growth Economic Research Institute
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◇ Lee Ik-seon: Let's just pick out the key points from the pouring news and summarize them simply and clearly. The issue is Monday. Let's talk to the two experts. We invited Maj. Gen. Jegal-ryang Choi Byung-cheon of the political analysis community, and conservative handsome guy Kim Ki-heung, deputy spokesman for the former president's office. Welcome.
☆ Choi Byung-cheon, ★ Kim Ki-heung: Hello.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: Let me ask you one question before I go in. What do you use social media for? Director Choi?
☆ Choi Byung-cheon: I use it for posting.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: You can look at other people's writings, too.
☆ Choi Byung-cheon: Of course.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: You do both. What about Kim Ki-heung, a deputy spokesman for the former president's office?
★ Kim Ki-heung: When I was a reporter, I didn't do it because I thought I was too obsessed with comments when I posted on Facebook, but I had no choice but to do it during the election, but I don't do it very voluntarily. But I have to do it a little bit.
◈ Choi Soo-young: I see. Both of you are simply looking at it and posting it.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: You don't have to be hurt a lot.
★ Kim Ki-heung: But I saw what you said before I came in, and if you look at this, there was something called small but certain happiness in the past.
◈ Choi Soo-young: That's right.
★ Kim Ki-heung: Small but certain happiness. But if you look at it, the small but certain happiness... With the obsession to show something happiness, he took pictures of things that looked plausible and posted them. So these days, it's a very normal day, so Avohwa. Well, this is good, but in a way, there are keywords that say that ordinary things are good even if you don't compare them and interpret them too much.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: That's good. Avoided
☆ Choi Byung-cheon: By the way, is there a reason why you suddenly asked?
◇ Proficiency line: There are people who become unhappy because of it. So I was curious about the director. Now, let's get to the point.
◈ Choi Soo-young: I don't know if it's because the election is just around the corner from our weekend, but the level of Han Dong-hoon's remarks toward the presidential office is gradually increasing. In particular, on Sunday, there are even interpretations that the president's office has actually requested a change of the Kim line. As a result, Shin Ji-ho, the head of the Strategic Planning Department, even admitted that he was right. How do you see this part?
★ Kim Ki-heung: I said that CEO Han Dong-hoon talked about personnel reform, and Vice-President Shin Ji-ho, who is close to him, said that he is now the Hannam-dong Line. Personally, I can talk about a change in that area, but the frame is decided. The Hannam-dong line, that is, whether it is true or not, has created a good material for the opposition party to attack. So, I've talked about it in other places, but now former administrator Kim Dae-nam talked about the Ten-sang-si, and I know the so-called few minutes mentioned in Ten-sang-si better than anyone else. Above all, since they have been carrying out schedules and messages, the relationship between the then candidate and the current president will inevitably become more comfortable since the election. Practically, but when a third party sees it, young people in their 30s and 40s may seem a little too close to the president than the chief or others. But what's different from that is the Hannam-dong line. If you talk about it like this, there's something. It can be easier. Anyway, I can raise a question about Kim Gun-hee, but it's better to talk about it directly if there's a problem than vaguely anonymous or frame-based Hannam-dong line, and talk about it with a clear fact. Personally, that's what I think. What do you think, Director Choi?
☆ Choi Byung-cheon: I think the suitability of the Hannam-dong line or the Kim Gun-hee line is important. When you do something, there are people who get close to you, but simply, you have a lot of connections in the presidential office or something. But there is one thing about whether or not someone who is not able to do it is not important to replace Kim Gun-hee's line, but I think Kim Gun-hee needs to be replaced. You can't change people, but you told me to refrain from activities. But the problem now is how wrong information will be delivered if these people deliver the wrong information, regardless of whether they change the line or not, and Kim Gun-hee herself is the core of the controversy. So people's interest is that Mrs. Kim Gun-hee refrained from doing activities or is now involved in the process of nominating Kim Young-sun because of various controversies over the judicial process beyond an apology. As for the various remarks made by Myung Tae-kyun and the Deutsche Motors issue, Mrs. Kim Gun-hee is working hard, and the special prosecutor's office against Kim Gun-hee in Daegu and North Gyeongsang Province has more than 50% of public opinion. Considering this, regardless of whether the line is replaced or not, I think the situation will just continue unless Mrs. Kim Gun-hee's own problems are resolved to a certain extent.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: It's not a word for replacement, is it? I'm really flabbergasted.
☆ Choi Byung-cheon: I'm not asking for that because it's going to be like replacing a wife.
◇ Profit line: Okay. But the presidential office is silent, but this can't be a good feeling. I think it would be unpleasant, but isn't personnel rights actually the president's own authority?
★ Kim Ki-heung: So, CEO Han Dong-hoon is trying to convey his position to the presidential office ahead of the solo meeting, but it is true that the level is getting higher. But there are two big things. One is that there is an election the day after tomorrow, so I want to play a role of expanding the middle, and now I want to catch a hare, and traditional supporters have to catch a house rabbit, but the president's office must have an opinion on this. Why wouldn't there be one? However, for the election, the worst part of the middle-of-the-road conservatives is that they are not stable and fight without becoming one, so why am I so free to talk to many people now? In the criticism of whether we are this free after losing the election or after all, there is a saying that we should change, but we should not be divided again. From that point of view, it is correct that the presidential office adjusts the level to a certain extent. From Han Dong-hoon's point of view, the opposition party has been demonized so much over the election, so I hope the first lady doesn't come out because it's upsetting. There's this atmosphere. From the presidential office's point of view, even if there is such an atmosphere, we need to prevent it, apologize if there is a problem, and part ways are needed. If you talk about such things during the parliamentary audit while the opposition party is attacking, doesn't it seem like you are excessively empowering that side? I think there's a bit of disappointment and things like that. So the problem is that even in a single room, there's a kind of margin for that space to understand that can change between each other. We have to do that between each other, but CEO Han Dong-hoon is doing it a little hard right now. That may be the part of the election through such showings, but it should not be in a situation where even the solitary confinement is disrupted ahead of the solitary confinement. I think so.
◈ Choi Soo-young: As you just said, why is CEO Han Dong-hoon making such a strong statement, so the election is on the verge of an election. So, in the pro-Yoon community, isn't this a strategic paving the way for the president to take responsibility when she loses the election? So, Na Kyung-won and Kwon Sung-dong, if you say so, attacking the Yoon Suk Yeol government doesn't mean a rosy future will come to you.That's all I have to say. How do you see this part?
☆ Choi Byung-cheon: If you lose the election, I don't think many people will think that this is the responsibility of the president of Yoon Suk Yeol, regardless of the representative Han Dong-hoon. However, what is clear now is that considering the relationship between President Yoon Suk Yeol and Representative Han Dong-hoon, it is clear that President Yoon Suk Yeol has the initiative in state affairs. Chairman Han Dong-hoon has become the leader now, but no one thinks he has taken control of the party. So, it's obvious that the presidential office has a bigger responsibility (if he loses the election) because no one thinks that the party is controlling the state affairs. Whether CEO Han Dong-hoon doesn't talk about this or not. Then, if you think about the news that came out for a week or two recently, news related to Myung Tae-kyun and Secretary Kim Dae-nam dominated. Even if CEO Han Dong-hoon didn't say anything, it was still mentioned. In this regard, if representative Han Dong-hoon loses the election regardless of whether he raises the issue of Kim Gun-hee or not, most of the people or even supporters of the People's Power will raise the responsibility of President Yoon Suk Yeol for the controversy over Kim Gun-hee and Myung Tae-kyun, former secretary Kim Dae-nam, and so on, regardless of what Han Dong-hoon said. That's what I think.
◈ Choi Soo-young: So this is Han Dong-hoon's responsibility this election regardless of victory or defeat?
☆ Choi Byung-cheon: What is it? It should be viewed as the responsibility of the president of Yoon Suk Yeol.
◇ Profit line: What do you think of it as a percentage?
☆ Choi Byung-cheon: At least 8 to 1.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: How do you look at 8 to 2? Deputy Spokesperson Kim Ki-heung?
★ Kim Ki-heung: Actually, I'm a little embarrassed when I talk about who's responsible after the general election. I was confused. But I don't think it's right to be like that even now. For example, if the presidential office is holding back on representative Han Dong-hoon's aggression and waiting for the election results and saying, "You're responsible," I don't think the presidential office is either. I think both are responsible for losing the election. I think it's all 50:50. Because in terms of some changes in the presidential office, there are some areas where the people are a little disappointed. However, anyway, since the party leader has something to play in the election, I think so because he took the lead in the election. But this can be the public's evaluation, but we can't do it like this. This is a politically shallow number, but as soon as we talk about it politically, I think we have no choice but to restore it and face a bigger defeat because of the responsibility for it beyond evidence.
◈ Choi Soo-young: As a result, CEO Han Dong-hoon's remarks became the starting point. The Democratic Party has now added fuel to the recent internal conflict within the ruling party. Since CEO Han Donghoon already mentioned it, he can do it.So with this, he is putting more pressure on the special prosecution, but in the case of lawmaker Kim Min-seok, the ruling party leader used the expression, "It's even fanning." If this happens, will the Democratic Party (as Kim Min-seok mentioned) kill that car? So you're going to borrow someone else's knife and kill him?
☆ Choi Byung-cheon: From the Democratic Party's point of view, that's what it is. The car is murder, an objection, or a florist because the opposition party is attacking the ruling party to some extent, but the question is whether the opposition party will attack or not, and in fact, among them, President Yoon Suk Yeol, First Lady Kim Gun-hee, and Representative Han Dong-hoon, if you think about it for four months over the past two weeks or three weeks after democratization in 1987, I think the first lady's exposure to the media will be at least two or three times more than the president's exposure to the media.
◈ Choi Soo-young: So you're talking about the volume of articles?
☆ Choi Byung-cheon: That's right. No. Should I say it's a bit viral as well as the volume of articles? Looking at us being talked about, I think if you double-check the agenda that we've been dealing with so far, it would have been more if Kim Gun-hee had been mentioned more in Issue and People. I don't think it would have been less talked about than the president. This itself is abnormal. So what the Democratic Party is doing is that it should be viewed as pointing out that it is already abnormal, and this is not a problem caused by the Democratic Party's sudden pointing.
◇ Interest line: I see. Rep. Park Jung-hoon said in an interview in the morning that he would coordinate the schedule for the private meeting with representatives of Yongsan today. If so, all Han has to say is Kim's restraint of activities, personnel reform, and medical reform. Another concern is how much the president will accept it.
★ Kim Ki-heung: If you look at it, the best way to solve things is 'how'. How? Since Han Dong-hoon said he knows the president well, I think there will be a burden on him when it comes to politics. The president also has a role to play as the head of state, who has to solve the current situation, and demonstrate his political power. But now, I need some expression of Kim Gun-hee's position, and I personally don't know if she'll have to hold a press conference on this, but I don't think there's any reason to mention it there. Because you can make your own decisions according to your needs and show them in action even if you don't say anything. And to take this opportunity to tell you a little bit, there are many things that Kim Gun-hee takes very low steps in her closed-door schedule. But it's not known because it's a private move. Some things are known belatedly, but in the end, that's how it's been done, and the official schedule is that there's a message that you want to let people know through a message. So, in the case of Suicide Prevention Day last time, the opposition party said that the president exercised it too much, but isn't it not a one-time event, but it's because there was a similar schedule last year and she went on the aspect of suicide prevention? So, it's possible for people to think again.
◈ Choi Soo-young: Is there a pure functional aspect?
★ Kim Ki-heung: That's the way it is for me. So there's a degree of problem. There is a point where the opposition party is being attacked, and a point where the people are a little disappointed. There is a gap between the point and the various temptations that the opposition party throws from one to ten. However, it would be nice to do a little more detail about this, but CEO Han Dong-hoon has a little bit of public opinion about this, so I think we should be sensible about it. What I want to say to the opposition party is that there are not many questions about the president right now. That's how much you can attack the lady. I know there are limits to things about the president. And there's not much to criticize on the policy side. So I'm telling you the other way around, and if the lady apologizes and stops the schedule, the opposition party could be looking at the roof of the dog chasing the chicken to see what to attack next. So, I don't think it's right for the opposition party to go all-in on First Lady Kim Gun-hee.
◈ Choi Soo-young: But as you said, the Democratic Party of Korea has set a certain attack point against Mrs. Choi, so shouldn't CEO Han Dong-hoon apply for a private meeting to overcome this? Then, to what extent do you expect a meeting-in-one agenda, and to what extent do you expect the meeting-in-one agenda to be coordinated by both sides?
☆ Choi Byung-cheon: The funny part is that CEO Han Dong-hoon has requested a private meeting, but the president has continued to refuse it. And there have been rumors that CEO Han Dong-hoon refused because he knew what he was going to raise, but isn't Kim Gun-hee and the controversy over the number of medical students already talked about? But even though he knew that, he was given a private meeting again this time. So, CEO Han Dong-hoon's position has not changed in a way. And we're all within the expected range of what we're going to say now, but then the number of cases seems to be two. One is just... How should I say it? It's just a gesture to meet? As if he met with representative Lee Jae-myung and showed each other parallel lines, one is that President Yoon Suk Yeol keeps asking me to meet him, so I'll give him a chance to meet him. There is one case where only parallel lines run, and the second is that let's talk about it openly. I've heard why you keep doing this, but let's hear it for ourselves. There are two cases, but if you look at the style of President Yoon Suk Yeol that he's shown so far, he's a little late and doesn't feel like he's breaking through politically. He's one of the people who gives a sweet potato feel. In that sense, I think it's a good thing to go through like this, but that's a good thing for the people. But I'm a little skeptical that it's actually going to go that far.
◈ Choi Soo-young: You feel like it's going to be close to the former, right?
☆ Choi Byung-cheon: Yes, that's right.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: Yes, the parliamentary audit is continuing, and the ruling party protested the opposition party's abuse of the right to accompany. The opposition party is raising the level of its offensive against Mrs. Kim. First of all, the ruling party criticizes the opposition party for unilaterally pushing for the adoption of witnesses that suit the taste of the opposition party. How do you see it?
★ Kim Ki-heung: I can't remember the figures exactly, but was it the Judiciary Committee that the opposition party adopted 100 witnesses? I think so. The same goes for many standing committees, but I think the difference between 192 and 108 seats should be 2 to 1, but the number of seats in the standing committee is becoming one-sided. I'm the same for witnesses, but don't you have an order to accompany them? I think this is a big problem. The reason is that if you look at this, the Democratic Party is not currently investigating the prosecution regarding the money envelope case. Even if I call, it's not coming anymore. But the question is, is that prosecutor Kim Young-chul related to that at the National Assembly? You're ordering him to accompany you. If so, they are not going out because the people who should be investigated are lawmakers. It's hard for ordinary people to do that. So, what kind of immunity do you call them? While enjoying everything he enjoys, he now calls the prosecutor in charge at the standing committee and at the accompanying order. That doesn't make sense, does it? In addition, in the case of a Democratic Party lawmaker in Gyeonggi-do over there, he called the police chief and officials who investigated him and withdrew it because it became a problem. In the end, in terms of doing this for some personal retaliation, this should be done for the accompanying order. It is right for the Democratic Party to receive the prosecution's investigation first in order to secure some justification for their claims. That's how I see it.
◈ Choi Soo-young: The ruling and opposition parties are now in conflict over whether Kim Gun-hee's various suspicions are the reason for President Yoon's impeachment, and Kim Ki-heung, a deputy spokesman, asked what he would do if she attacked her too much and disappeared one day. Nevertheless, the opposition party is raising the level by summoning Choi Soon-sil, the so-called Choi Seo-won, and the former president Park's impeachment. So you don't seem to have any intention of backing down, do you think this is a reasonable strategy?
☆ Choi Byung-cheon: As you said earlier, what will the Democratic Party attack with if Kim Gun-hee disappears? I hope you do that. But on the flip side, for the past half a year or a year, something has been getting bigger since the controversy over luxury bags. But it's not like Deutsche Motors exploding because the opposition party raised it. The problem did not arise because the opposition party raised any controversy over election interference related to former lawmaker Kim Young-sun. The issue was raised and the Democratic Party raised it. It's a little misunderstood to say that the case that didn't exist suddenly was raised by the Democratic Party, so if the Democratic Party doesn't have anything to raise, I think that's good for the national power and good for the country. I really want you to do that, and you've said something about impeachment, but impeachment should not always be forgotten. Impeachment goes through some legal issues and constitutional decisions. And if two-thirds of the National Assembly have more than 200 people to impeach, more than 200 out of 300 people are about two-thirds, or 66%, but in reality, it is a little different expression. Impeachment is not possible if the public opinion exceeds nearly 70% because it must eventually pass the Constitutional Court. So the Democratic Party can raise this and that. However, the Democratic Party of Korea has never done it yet, although there have been talks about impeaching the prosecutor. So even though the Democratic Party is putting some political pressure on it, it seems to me that there is little chance of actually pushing for it.
◈ Choi Soo-young: Summoning at least cases is more of a cover?
☆ Choi Byung-cheon: That's right. That's what you have to say. Also, people like me are a little critical of impeaching prosecutors, but of course, they have to be conscious of public opinion. But I think it's advantageous to press this in itself. And what I think is advantageous is that the public is much more in favor of the independent counsel now. Even in Daegu and Gyeongbuk, it's not just a matter to blame for the Democratic Party, but the presidential office and the ruling party themselves should reflect on something to reflect on and wrap up the knot, but they're not doing that at all.
◇ Interest line: I see. Now, this guy is hotter than a celebrity these days, so if he was popular in a good way, he would have made a lot of money, but it's Myung Tae-kyun. During the by-election process for the Seoul mayor in 2021, he claimed that he proposed Mayor Oh Se-hoon's election strategy to Kim Jong-in, then chairman of the People's Power Emergency Response Committee. Myung posted a message on his SNS. I can't even think of a person who can't connect with this guy.
★ Kim Ki-heung: So, when this person first talked about it, it looked good, but as he keeps talking, I think he's falling apart in his words. Because he said he did everything. When you actually did everything, you didn't do anything. Let me tell you one thing. At first, this person talked about the Ahn Cheol Soo and the unification of the Yoon Suk Yeol candidates. I was arguing about it, but I fell in love with it. Why did you lose weight? I know that. Because Ahn Cheol Soo candidates need to unify the candidates. There's been a saying that you shouldn't do it. Then, isn't it important what role it played in the final unification? After the KBS debate, I got a call. So to former lawmaker Jang Je-won, come over to Gangnam. So, there is a candidate for Ahn Cheol Soo, and the unification was achieved then, and what did lawmaker Jang Je-won do at that time? Chang Je-won's brother-in-law is Professor KAIST. He's close to the Ahn Cheol Soo candidate. So I went to that house and did it. Then, there's something you said about Myung Taekyun. If you say that you accidentally do it because you're a rival with Yoon Huk-gwan, it's Yoon Huk-gwan. But doesn't former lawmaker Jang Je-won say he did this himself? It doesn't make sense. And if you look at another thing, we went in on July 30th or Friday. the day one joined the army At that time, we had a chicken and beer meeting the week before.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: Who did you do it with?
★ Kim Ki-heung: I know because I had a chimaek meeting with Lee Joon-seok, the party leader, and Kim Yoon Suk Yeol. At that time, who made all the movements? Lee Joon-seok and I made them. And after it was over, I made a media play in the news the next day. We didn't want to join the party just because we joined. But when I said I'd join the army, the reporters kept asking when we would do it no matter what kind of schedule we had. That's why we discussed internally and decided to join the party. But he said he did it himself. So, these things also happened when Choi Jae-hyung, chairman of the Board of Audit and Inspection, said he would make him prime minister, but it didn't happen. So while looking at these things, I'm like this. So, even during the former president Park Geun Hye, there were all sorts of stories. I did a gut... I talked about all sorts of things. And I also talked about the unification bonanza, but a professor has a book about the unification bonanza. That's what I was referring to. But Choi Soon-sil said she did everything, so she did it as a kind of frame. Even now, there are so many things that this person calmly talks about that don't fit when cross-checked. But now, this person is doing one side and the other side of the media, so I know because I was a reporter, but I had no choice but to receive it. I shouldn't have received it, but that's why people are like that. Why did politicians become like that to Myung Tae-kyun? That's what the media is doing right now. That's right. It's the same pattern. I think it's time to calm down.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: It takes only a minute or two to lie, but to prevent this. I think there is another problem with the media coverage because we have to check with each person in the previous session.
☆ Choi Byung-cheon: What's hard to see is that the presidential office in Yongsan explained it twice. The presidential office of Yongsan met twice to explain about Myung Tae-kyun, once introduced by Lee Joon-seok, who was now a high-ranking representative, and another time, former governor Park Wan-soo introduced and met. But that day, both of them said it wasn't true. No, he came and asked me to meet him already, so we went to see him. Myung Tae-kyun came and CEO Lee Joon-seok said so, and former Governor Park Wan-soo said so. According to what you just said, Park Wan-soo is also lying. And so it means that everyone is lying except for the presidential office in Yongsan. Of course, Yongsan lied. So, Kim Jong-in, former chairman of the emergency committee, Lee Joon-seok, and Park Wan-soo, so what I said on the very day is that a person named Myung Tae-kyun may have a bluff. There may be a lot of people who think that they're a person in the room.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: Jegal Gongjin is himself. It's a nickname here.
☆ Choi Byung-cheon: Anyway, I'm not my last name, I'm Choi. Anyway, among what Myung Tae-kyun said, there could be exaggeration and bluster. However, Yongsan's presidential office's words themselves are overflowing with so many lies that are so unreliable that they have already met them more than three times, and what is now revealed. And the bigger problem is why people are paying so much attention to the person named Lee Myung-tae-kyun in Yongsan because it sounds plausible. More fundamentally, I still don't understand why I forced myself to relocate to the presidential office in Yongsan, and then General Hong Bum-do said why people who returned to 1943 were called reds when the U.S. and Soviet Union were allies at the time, and why 2,000 medical school students were scientific grounds, but there was no report, let alone a scientific basis. There were no minutes of the meeting and they said they had destroyed everything, so what the people are thinking the most now is that people like Myung Tae-kyun are getting involved in something. Whether this is true or not, why did the people come to believe it? So there are so many decisions that I don't understand. I guess someone like Myung Taekyun did something. So, I think Myung Taekyun's own words may or may not be bluffing, but who claimed to be this? He is claiming to be president.
◈ Choi Soo-young: As you pointed out, there are some suspicions. So, Rep. Na Kyung-won responds. So there was an election that I lost twice, and now it's a unification race with Mayor Oh Se-hoon and a national convention with lawmaker Lee Joon-seok, and I think there was a surprising opinion poll at that time, but it keeps amplifying like this because Myung talks about it as if he adjusted it. What do you think about this part?
★ Kim Ki-heung: I think there is room for more specific consideration on that part, but if you look at 50 polls conducted by Myung Tae-kyun, there is a big gap between candidate Yoon Suk Yeol and candidate Lee Jae-myung, and about 40 candidates said Lee Jae-myung is high. I haven't looked into it one by one, so it's kind of hard for me to go into detail here, so what I want to say first of all depends on how you ask questions in the polls.
◈ Choi Soo-young: It reflects the characteristics of the research institution.
★ Kim Ki-heung: The characteristics are reflected, and when I'm a political reporter, when we do a poll, I'm like the vice president of the political department. Depending on how you bury it at that time, it can be a little profitable. But in a way, whether it's intentional or not, you can't say that it's a manipulation. So, it's about whether it can be recognized at that level, or whether there is something excessively corrected or something in a sample, but when I looked at the interviews of PNR officials, they didn't do that. Because that's done by your polling company, and Myung Tae-kyun not only did it independently, but also did it with Money Today and media companies. So, when you look at that, it's a matter of looking at the authority of the media and the actual polling company, it's a matter of seeing that it was done arbitrarily with a certain intention, so it's not right to say anything about it yet. It's just this. If I were a candidate president or a candidate for the National Assembly, I would say that if I look at someone else's election process and see that someone else's opinion polls are a little positive and that person is involved after that, can't I hear that person bring the data? From that point of view, isn't it that Na Kyung-won also saw Myung Tae-kyun once at this national convention?
◈ Choi Soo-young: That's right. You have to understand that.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: I don't have much time, so I think I have to go to the last question. Let me talk about by-elections. Overall, the pre-voting rate is lower than expected and higher than expected in certain regions, and the average is 8.98%. Let me ask you a few words. First of all, how are you looking at it except for the by-election of the superintendent of education?
☆ Choi Byung-cheon: The 8.98 percentage that I just mentioned includes the superintendent's achievements. I think it's hard to see it in a central context. Now, Geumjeong has about 20% of the early voting rate, and then Gokseong Yeonggwang has about 40% of the time. In fact, the early voting rate of Geumjeong is actually similar to that of previous years. When Park Hyung-joon was elected mayor of Busan in 2021, the early voting rate was similar to this. So, in fact, it seems as if the gold tablets are low now, but the gold tablets are at their usual level, and now the Honam area is exceptionally high. In that sense, Geumjeong is probably the most important point to watch because there are polls showing that the Democratic Party is now ahead or behind, and what do you think it will be? It's hard to predict this now. The second thing to look out for is what glory is like, but glory is a three-way race now. I know now, but the only thing politically important is whether the Cho Kuk Innovation Party wins or not. Because if the Cho Kuk Innovation Party becomes the Progressive Party, it is actually a little similar, and if it becomes the Cho Kuk Innovation Party, it will be in the local elections next year, that is, the local elections in the year after next, and will have a certain position. So I think that's probably the most important point to watch.
★ Kim Ki-heung: In fact, I don't see this as a huge discourse, but in terms of selecting local workers, in the case of the Geumjeong election, the cause was not provided by the people. In a way, he died of cerebral hemorrhage during his job. But I think there must be some variables in the part where you write it in a frame and then change your words, but isn't the by-election an organizational fight now? When I did it, representative Han Dong-hoon and representative Lee Jae-myung and representative Cho Kuk went as far as representative Cho Kuk, so I think it's a battle of who doesn't lose the tension.
◇ Profit line: Okay. The issue is Monday. I've been with you two. He was joined by Choi Byung-cheon, head of the New Growth Economic Research Institute, and Kim Ki-heung, a former deputy spokesman for the president's office. Thank you.
◈ Choi Soo-young: Thank you very much.
☆ Choi Byung-cheon, ★ Kim Ki-heung: Yes, thank you.
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