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[News FM Lee Ik-seon Choi Soo-young Issue & People]
□ Broadcast date and time: October 22, 2024 (Tue)
□ Host: Lee Ik-seon, Choi Soo-young
□ Performers: Kim Kyung-jin, a former member of the People's Power, and Shin Kyung-min, a former member of the Democratic Party of Korea,
* The text below may differ from the actual broadcast content, so please check the broadcast for more accurate information.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: Let's talk about politics, which has been strongly brewed by the news of political interest, in Gyeongok High School. Today, we invited two former lawmakers, Kim Kyung-jin and Shin Kyung-min, who are considering changing their names briefly to a double warning.
☆ Nervous: Welcome. Hello,
◇ Lee Ik-seon: Yes, thank you for coming on a rainy day.
◆ Choi Soo-young: The top issue that attracted the most political attention yesterday was the meeting between President Yoon and representative Han, which I was very excited about yesterday, but the announcement later says that it has lost some steam, so let's hear the general review first. Representative Shin?
☆ Shin Kyung-min: Empty-handed Maengtang is an expression I've seen a lot of empty-handed Maengtang. This is a catastrophe. I think there's only a step left to decide what to do after this. First of all, I failed tremendously from the protocol.
◆ Choi Soo-young : Protocol failed.
☆ Nervous : Intended failure. So from the beginning, I was wondering if it was a private meeting or an interview, but in the end, it was an interview. You've all seen the picture, but in a way, I felt this kind of atmosphere where the head of the discipline talked about the two students who entered the discipline room at school or the interrogation of the prosecutor. Sitting on both sides of the table where the interview was held. And first of all, the meeting place was the restaurant. It's a restaurant called Fine Gresto, and it's a protocol that goes beyond disgrace. It's a problem in itself to have this kind of protocol. I waited outside for 20 minutes. I can wait. But you can make them stand and wait, take a walk including the secretary in question, and if you do well, you can have dinner. such a disgrace And the biggest thing is that while I was reporting exclusively, I didn't get a full shot of Han Dong-hoon's CEO Han Dong-hoon. There's also a problem with the press room. The press room shouldn't do this. Then what is this now, the whole nation knows the nature of this meeting. It's a request for passage or negotiation, but it's clear that it's a watershed. If it's like this, it's reporters. You have to fight with evil. However, making concessions through exclusive coverage has a problem with reporters, and the president's office has a bigger problem. What I really want to point out is that Director Jeong Jin-seok is also done. Director Jeong Jin-seok has no role. I really told you to be present, so I was really present. So I don't have a role as a manager, and I think it's better to quit now. CEO Han Dong-hoon also has a problem. If the negotiations were over last night, we should crack down on our aides this morning, but if you look at it this morning, people who are close to Han Dong-hoon appear on each broadcast and do this. Aren't all of them just now? If you listen to all of this morning's broadcasts, don't you think all the people who are close to you know because they shared their roles and went on each broadcast? There are steps and gilt in parting. You can't say goodbye like this. So yesterday's meeting was much more wrong than expected. It was an interview-like meeting. It's not a single room, it's not an interview, it's nothing. It was just a meeting, but it was a disgraceful meeting for representative Han Dong-hoon.
◆ Choi Soo-young: You really criticized me.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: You used the expression "It's a catastrophe." What do you think of former lawmaker Kim Kyung-jin?
★ Kim Kyung-jin: How can I defend the presidential office? Shin Kyung-min said it so strongly that I'm a little worried about what to say, but to defend the presidential office from a natural standpoint, and to tell you for CEO Han Dong-hoon, it's not a divorce process. And there are still about two years left in the term of the party leader. There's a year and a few months left. We're not going to see each other once or twice, right? It is clear to some extent that there was a disagreement, and if we meet once and the disagreement is reached and resolved, the whole world's problems will be solved. That's why there's a saying in our old saying. Starting from a step at Cheonri-gil. Yesterday was a step. Yesterday was one step, and we can meet and talk more from now on. There were some briefings in the president's office today, so there were some articles about what CEO Han Dong-hoon said and what the president said about it. For example, if you talk about the problematic presidential office staff, CEO Han Dong-hoon can talk about it again. So from a big perspective, I think yesterday's meeting itself is very meaningful. There are some things that I was disappointed about yesterday, but I think the gap could be reduced if you work together with a good heart. Anyway, I hope you can mix your hopes and talk about it with a lot of hope.
◆ Choi Soo-young: One is catastrophic. One person is now a small start. Right now. You're talking about this.
★ Kim Kyung-jin: It's about starting a relationship.
☆ Shin Kyung-min: Looking at that yesterday, I remembered the lyrics of one of Song Dae-gwan's tickets, so I came back. Then, I realized that this is an appropriate expression. I had to leave with a ticket in my hand. I had to leave on the scheduled timetable. You loved the up and down line, but you had a different way to go. I had to leave on the timetable of the breakup. I think these lyrics describe yesterday's appearance as it is.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: I think it's your favorite song.
☆ Shin Kyung-min: I read it one more time to check the lyrics, and you're just like the descending line and the up line. The secret that was revealed yesterday was repeatedly confirmed. The president is a manly man. It has been confirmed that he is a person who cares about his wife with great care, and I think CEO Han Dong-hoon has been confirmed that he used to like it, but he doesn't like it now, and he will not like it in the future.
★ Kim Kyung-jin: Anyway, don't you think the two of you need to accomplish something for the country during the rest of your presidency? If you look at it, you can't achieve an achievement, but you can't share your will with the ruling party leader? And now, the power of the people continues to be broken in all elections. If we lose the next local election or presidential election, for example, our labor sector has stabilized. Now, just because you're a union member, all the inheritance of employment from your children is gone. There are quite a few achievements made by President Yoon Suk Yeol, and if he fails to re-create the government the next time, not only will he not remember them, but the achievements he has made will simply disappear like dust in the wind. It turns upside down. So, in my view, the president is the one who is disappointed. He's not the party leader, Han Dong-hoon. When you want to write in your history book that you did something as president when you were trying to do something, the president should have control over the state administration and run this state with a lot of his power, and the next government should be re-created. Then, first of all, there should be a lot of prospective candidates who will run for the next presidential election. Then, if CEO Han Dong-hoon says he won't do it if Han Dong-hoon flies here, of course, there will be talented people somewhere. But what if all the good resources keep flying away? So, the president should recognize that he is not the first class, but now he is the second class of the second class, but you mentioned Shin Kyung-min earlier. As you are talking about chairs and protocol in the scene of yesterday's meeting, I think the need for the presidential office to reorganize something, as representative Han Dong-hoon said, is recognized.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: I was going to ask you, too.
★ Kim Kyung-jin: It is not possible for the president to expect such things as how the public's public sentiment is influenced by what position they sit at a desk and what kind of photos are taken in this important meeting with the party leader and the president, but even if the president ordered it, he should not do it like this. Mr. President, we must show thorough respect for the leader of the party. Shouldn't you have suggested it like this? Didn't that suggestion not work? Isn't that the picture that came out yesterday? In my view, personnel reform should be carried out with just that. That need is paradoxically revealed yesterday. If you look at it, please remember clearly that the president is the president's office and the president is not representative Han Dong-hoon if he or she listens to the broadcast.
☆ Shin Kyung-min: This is common sense. This is not just lawmaker Kim Kyung-jin's idea, and public common sense is not going as far as Yongsan now, so is there a seriousness of the problem?
That's what I think.
◇ Lee Ik-sun: But I heard that CEO Han canceled today's schedule in a surprise move. Why do you think this is the case?
☆ Nervous: We need to clean up now. In that sense, you have to get it together, and we talked about a lot of things yesterday, especially about Mrs. Kim, but this morning, there were various reactions to Yongsan. But if you look at the reactions, it probably came out mainly because it was talked about yesterday, but it was a euphemism that he wouldn't listen. For example, when I asked for a suspension of external activities, I didn't say that I was already restraining myself. And when I asked for a suspension of the second annex by saying that I would launch it early next month, I answered that I was restraining myself. And when I talked about personnel reform, I said there was no line before this meeting, but yesterday, if there is evidence on the spot, send it to the head of the department if there is evidence that these people overpowered and intervened. Then I will take action. It's virtually impossible to talk about when, where, who, and how. And thirdly, the party and the National Assembly are taking care of whether the prosecution is already talking about Han's request to actively cooperate in resolving suspicions. Something like this. And before this, floor leader Choo Kyung-ho talked about the North Korean Human Rights Foundation. I'm saying I won't do that. If this happens, things like suspension of outside activities are asking for things like divorce right now. Representative Han Dong-hoon said, "The public opinion is not good, and the other thing is that Kang Hye-kyung came out to the Judiciary Committee at the same time yesterday and talked about it in various ways. Then you have to talk clearly about what happened in the past. Then this has no choice but to ask the question of responsibility for the past. And this is how the future will be done. We need to divide the past and the future and clarify the position of the president or the presidential office. That's the homework of yesterday's meeting. However, if you say you haven't listened to anything now, this is the beginning of a breakup and the beginning of a catastrophe, and if more lawmakers, especially ruling party lawmakers, judge that this is not going to work, the problem is serious now.
◆ Choi Soo-young: Kim, you described it as a small start yesterday, but as soon as you met Han Dong-hoon yesterday, the president met with floor leader Choo Kyung-ho and senior members of the ruling party.
★ Kim Kyung-jin: I think we had an appointment before. The floor leader said that he was in the middle of eating at the National Assembly and rushed back and forth. But in fact, if I had just been with representative Han Dong-hoon until the evening, how cozy and nice would it have been for the people, especially from the party's point of view. But now that it became such a situation yesterday, it's a little uncomfortable from the party's point of view. It's uncomfortable. Anyway, Shin Kyung-min's words may have been a mixture of the wishes of representative Han Dong-hoon and president Yoon Suk Yeol to split up, but if I look back and talk to you about the hope of success, the Democratic Party of Korea has been asking for a long time to create a second annex. That's why you can say that the president's office accepts what the opposition party demanded, and of course, the popularity of the president's spouse or the degree of being loved by the people is very low. As a result, there is a controversy over whether to engage in foreign activities or not, but you have to do diplomatic relations and volunteer activities to soothe the hearts of the people. You can't avoid doing outside activities at all. So, the fact that this is a complete suspension is that the CEO has told the president, but there seem to be a lot of things to think about, and there are things like external activities that are appropriate for the hearts of the people, and quiet external activities. So we can meet two or three times in the future and discuss those parts gradually. After that, the president actually left the personnel reform a little open compared to the styles we've seen so far. I'll think about it again when I see the briefing this morning. Then if we keep talking, maybe the two of you can reach an agreement. So, don't make the members of the People Power Party nervous and do well.
◆ Choi Soo-young: Since the President said yesterday that he will do only what is essential regarding the restriction of the First Lady's foreign activities, can I interpret it as meaning that he will proceed with a tour or something that is very indispensable?
★ Kim Kyung-jin: There is no law. That's
☆ Shin Kyung-min: But I don't think CEO Han Dong-hoon will meet anymore, but if it was that much yesterday, I would have kicked out.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: Anyway, the main evaluation seems to be that the conflict has deepened rather than resolved through this interview. One newspaper picked this title. Does Han Dong-hoon, who checked Yongsan, go my way to meet the public's eye level? It was like this. What do you think?
☆ Nervous: You can't go my way immediately. He's the leader of the ruling party and the relationship is not just a day or two. That may require a lot of procedures, but the problem is the ruling party lawmakers in the middle. It is very important that the ruling party lawmakers in the middle will watch this meeting and see how they will evaluate this meeting. And it's also related to public opinion. Public opinion will probably get very cold. Currently, President Yoon's support is only around 20%, and it will probably not be that easy to maintain. If this happens, the center and close lawmakers in the ruling party would have been in an atmosphere like last night's anger, saying, "We're going to go through it, too." If this happens, the number will be tough. In this way, the order of separation can proceed surprisingly quickly. In November, the Democratic Party of Korea is now in a crisis due to the Lee Jae-myung election, and this could accelerate the crisis for the ruling party, leading to concerns that the ruling and opposition parties could enter a crisis together and that Korean politics could not really look forward to 1mm.
◆ Choi Soo-young: Lawmaker Kim said earlier that time is no longer on President Moon's side, but coincidentally, Professor Kang Won-taek mentioned it in the central poetry book today. So can this be a upside-down power for so-called close lawmakers?
★ Kim Kyung-jin: They are the same party members. You can't talk about power. A person who is tried for so many criminal acts, such as party leader Lee Jae-myung, should not be helped to reach the Republic of Korea, which becomes the president. However, if the party leader Han Dong-hoon and President Yoon Suk Yeol are seen fighting with each other, and indirectly assist party leader Lee Jae-myung in becoming president, Yoon Suk Yeol will be a sinner of history and Han Dong-hoon will be a sinner of history. Both of you need to get your act together. Since you're close, you have to keep your head up because you're close. Anyway, in an ordinary area within the party, I'm also the chairman of the party cooperation committee, right? What ordinary party members are saying is that the party leader has changed too much since the inauguration of the Yoon Suk Yeol president. So, Kim Ki-hyun changed the leader of the party before, and Lee Jun-seok changed before that. So, the reason for each is that from the perspective of my staff when I was a candidate for Yoon Suk Yeol, I hated Lee Jun-seok when he ran away from home and saw his behavior toward various presidential candidates. Anyway, this behavior that the same party leader changes frequently continues to be repeated in such a short period of time. So it's changed because there's a good reason and a good reason for each change. However, when everything accumulates, why does the ruling party's leader, who is Yoon Suk Yeol's presidential partner, change so often? These are what rank-and-file members say. It's the president's authority. What the president said is that there is no public power because the prosecution cannot investigate anyone and the police investigate according to the process. If you can use it carelessly, you have to control the hearts of the people with virtue, prestige, and warm heart trust, but the ruling party's leader has changed so much since the inauguration of Yoon Suk Yeol. It keeps changing. Then the president himself doesn't have authority and virtue. So what are you going to do? Isn't your approval rating already around 20 percent? Yesterday, Han Dong-hoon, the leader of the party, left some fruit on the desk and it's not a big deal, right? Shine muskets are cheap these days, right? Leave shine muskets and some cookies. And if you have dinner together and talk for a long time, for example, the people of the Democratic Party are satisfied with what the Bible says. That's right. So I have to reflect on the president's room as a whole, and if the president says that the table is like that, who set it up like this? Don't you have to come up with that question right away? The president needs to change his mind.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: I was going to be a round table, but it became a rectangular table, so I'm going to ask you a question to the effect of this. Just before the meeting, Representative Lee Jae-myung proposed a meeting between the ruling and opposition parties to Representative Han Dong-hoon and responded in three hours, so we decided to meet in September, but this is exactly what we should look at after meeting with the president.
★ Kim Kyung-jin: But it can interpret this in a political way. However, people who are in politics always have to think about what is right about party theory and what is the right attitude, but it is good for the ruling party's leader and the opposition party's leader to meet and talk. That's right. It is also good for the leader of the ruling party and the president to meet and talk often. That's why the people were all looking forward to it because they said they were going to have a private meeting yesterday. Party members were also looking forward to it. There could be some sort of counting method plus or minus method for meeting, but you can't say anything about it. That's why you always have to look at it in a big way.
☆ Nervous: No, it's not like this.
In the beginning, Chairman Lee Jae-myung now meets with the leaders of the ruling and opposition parties. I'm meeting with the president, and it's a very good idea to make the proposal right before the meeting that we should meet. That's from the perspective of the opposition leader. But now let's see from the perspective of the ruling party leader. If I have to choose between receiving this at the time ahead of the meeting or receiving this offer after the meeting, I still receive it before the meeting if I say I'm the leader of the ruling party. The reason is that we are now predicting that this meeting will go to five minutes before the opening of the meeting will be completely ruined. Everyone knows that this meeting will not work out, so if you accept it after the chaotic meeting, it really puts a lot of pressure on CEO Han Dong-hoon. After the chaotic meeting, I had a meeting with the leaders of the ruling and opposition parties. If this happens, I think that this person is a little bad to see in Yongsan. So rather, let's meet before the meeting. So in principle, as lawmaker Kim Kyung-jin said, it's good to meet. We say, "Let's meet because it's a good thing," have a meeting, and then we don't know what will be decided in the future. But it's better to do it like this. There are observations like that right now. There are observations that the protocol gets worse and worse after receiving representative talks from the ruling and opposition parties, but this is a wrong interpretation. If you did that, it would be wrong, and I interpreted it as interpretation rather than dream, but I don't think this is right.
◆ Choi Soo-young: Yes, another thing yesterday, lawmakers flocked to the Supreme Prosecutors' Office's parliamentary inspection of the Supreme Prosecutors' Office with an accompanying order for Kim, who was adopted as a witness. In fact, it is a little negative that the ruling and opposition parties and the president have flocked to their official residence at the time when the ruling party leader and the president meet, but I think there is also a bit of criticism about whether they should have done so.
★ Kim Kyung-jin: It's a lot. It really was done in the DP's strategy of taking advantage of the unpopularity of Lee's spouse to make it as full as possible. I think I should look at it like this. All of the political activities that the Democratic Party is doing throughout the audit are actually aimed at that. That's why the Democratic Party needs to be criticized a lot. But if you think about it carefully, the opposition party has always done everything to take power because of this system called the winner-take-all. So all of a sudden, I got really angry when I had a drink last night. Last night, I thought about it at home. Now, I think it's time for us to think about new ideas that can change the political system of the Republic of Korea at least once in the midst of chaos. I think it's time for us to think about whether the existing presidential system, which has been close to 75 or 80 years, is now almost reaching its end.
◇ Profit line: Okay. Now, let's move on to Kang Hye-kyung, who attended yesterday's parliamentary inspection. Kang Hye-kyung claimed that Lee Joon-seok, then leader of the party, and Yoon Sang-hyun, chairman of the mission committee, made Changwon Uichang a strategic nomination area and Kim Gun-hee nominated former lawmaker Kim Young-sun. How did you like it?
☆ Shin Kyung-min: We've been talking about that so far, but what's changed is that Kang Hye-kyung came to the National Assembly and testified under oath. And is there 17 of those recorded files yesterday? I revealed all of that. If you look there, there's a lot of talk about that. So we've made some progress now. I don't know the truth. However, since Kang Hye-kyung has said everything she knows with various burdens, it is now up to the prosecution. If a master candidate is nominated, that's a huge fact. This is legal responsibility, political responsibility. Anyway, all responsibilities should be taken by the people involved. The people involved in this are related to the first lady right now. If this happens, we will have no choice but to investigate. If you say you don't investigate this, the prosecution is neglecting its responsibility. So now, it's going to be a vote again and the first lady is responsible, but this is a mess with the election order and it's not something you should do as a political party. At that time, whether it was the party leader or the chairman of the nomination management committee, everyone has a problem with the party system itself, so this problem will inevitably become a very noisy problem when it enters the investigation. Without investigating this, we cannot avoid whether it is just an argument or a rumor that has been confirmed. How is that meaningful, but it's not right that many people are continuously trying to close their eyes on this fact.
◆ Choi Soo-young: However, I clearly draw the line that Lee Jun-seok and Yoon Sang-hyun, former chairman of the mission committee, are not. I think that's the timing of when he was president-elect, what do you think, Senator Kim?
★ Kim Kyung-jin: First of all, Kang Hye-kyung's story itself is a message. I heard it myself. It doesn't mean that you record it and have this recording file. I heard it like this. And he said they are not people like Lee Joon-seok and Yoon Sang-hyun, the key officials. Former CEO Lee Joon-seok immediately refuted the claim. So in the end, I think this is probably because accusations by third parties pretending to be just civic groups are so common these days, so I think there is no choice but to file a complaint and investigate this case. Then we can watch the investigative agency find out the truth on its own.
◇ Lee Ik-sun: Yes, Park Sang-soo was on our program yesterday. These are not politicians who are mentioned to have been connected to Myung Tae-kyun. I said that it was distorted and I wanted him to do something. In a situation where fact-checking is not done properly, one side continues to stand. In fact, wouldn't the risk within the ruling party be quite large?
★ Kim Kyung-jin: There are many members of the ruling party, but it seems that Justice Party lawmaker Yeo Young-guk was also included. Rep. Kim Doo-kwan and Rep. Lee Eon-joo were also included, but if you look at it again, the name of Rep. Yoon Han-hong is also included. However, there were several articles saying that it was uncomfortable with Representative Yoon Han-hong. If you look at it, I think that the people who conducted a little opinion poll and asked for consulting at least once just got into the list. I don't think this is a problem that can be considered that definitively just because it's in the names of 27 people.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: Yes, Kang Hye-kyung said that they didn't trade with Myung Tae-kyun, but they were connected.
★ Kim Kyung-jin: Yes, I said it's connected. So it just came out as a list of people who are a little connected, but I think we're in these situations where we're mistaken, just like they had a deal with Myung Tae-kyun and asked for some manipulation of public opinion.
◆ Choi Soo-young: Representative Shin, now I'm subtly leaving room for connection by submitting a list of 27 people, what does it mean to be connected?
☆ Shin Kyung-min: It's about people who asked for opinion polls, people who asked for advice, and so on. You'll have to look into this to see what the connection means. Mrs. Kim is also connected in this way, but it's a long time and there are a lot of suspicions, right? So, it has gradually entered a situation where we have no choice but to investigate it extensively and solve it, and similar measures such as accusations and accusations will surely follow. Then, the only thing left is how active the prosecution is to do this, but since trust in the prosecution is on the ground in many ways, there is also a discussion about whether it can be left to the prosecution now. So this problem can't just be covered or moved on that easily.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: So how do you think it is desirable for the presidential office or the lady to respond to these revelations related to Myung Tae-kyun?
★ Kim Kyung-jin: In my opinion, it was some kind of brother last time, an explanation that came out in two hours. Or we met up until the candidate days. Was it until the candidate days? I met him, but I didn't meet him after I was elected. I think it's inappropriate to make a position in the presidential office. This is a time when typhoons are passing by over the president's office, the president, and the president's spouse. You can't talk about anything at this time. And the two of you are not popular right now. The poll approval rating is now 25 percent and 23 percent. Even in Yeongnam and the home country, it is said so. There's a lot of rain. You can't do anything. Just lie on your stomach and don't say anything, just get hit. When the people hate it. In fact, on this topic, it can be unfair, false, exaggerated, or misunderstood by the people or opposition parties, but if you think about why I am not loved and hated in a big way, the various things are just mixed and diluted and beaten. So it's best to just be beaten in that context.
◆ Choi Soo-young: Yes, it's the best. I see.
◇ Lee Ik-seon: So far, we have been with former lawmaker Kim Kyung-jin and former lawmaker Shin Kyung-min of Gyeongok High School. Thank you both.
☆ Nervous: Thank you.
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